@@jameskarg3240 you are aware planes velocity is added to the velocity of the shell when it is fired right? Even if you are flying at 400kmh(which is a low estimate on the speed you will have during a dive, normally around 500kmh or more in the yak9k) that adds 111m/s to the speed (790m/s to 900m/s) and according to a rough estimate penetration calculator i have created myself, it has roughly 71 to 76 penetration. Maus has the strongest roof in the game at 60mm. so even at like 500m, this can penetrate the maus roof if its going like 500kmh it "ignores" armour because its extremly fast
@@Pikachugamer-2007yeah, especially cause at top tier the only soviet shell that does any damage against planes is APHE. I mean I don’t play ground RB/SB so I only care about air to air and soviet guns at top tier suck a lot. GSH-23 is just a waterpistol and GSh-30 has 0 fire rate and deals no damage unless you use a stealth belt filled with APHE so if they’ll nerf APHE then this gun will become even worse than GSh-23. Next step might be another HE nerf so that DEFA guns on Mirage’s will also become useless (rn they’re amazing and do what all guns should do in air to air imo - they one-shot any plane no matter where they hit, they do no “hits”, they do only “severe damage” or explode planes immediately)
Except you already have a 45 in game for russia, the tank one. And despite the same mass and less KE, the plane's shell deals almost as much damage as an american 75mm m62 with 64 grams of filler. Simply put, they should fix the ns 45 shell, or explain what voodoo the russians did, for them to demonstrate why it behaves like so on postpen damage, and push this new overperforming on the tanks armed with 45mm too, breaking the whole game.
@@Dondolini94 probably because of higher penetration value cause value in stat card is for shells that was fired from stationary position so that the shell has ~800m/s initial speed but the plane is not stationary and has 400-600kph (111-166m/s) so the initial velocity of those shells will be ~911-966m/s so they will have around 15% higher penetration value. That’s just a theory though
With aphe, the planes armed with those hs.825 guns would be deadlier than any A10 or SU25 strafe. You are speaking of giving the Falcon's deadly aphe to a platform that have 2000 combined rpm on those same guns with 1000m/s muzzle velocity, handle like a butterfly and can attack the most vulnerable parts of a tank. Would love it, but would be disgustingly OP come on 😅. (Sagittario grinded me the whole rank and the one above btw, love that little angry hornet)
this change is so overpowered. I had a match in the yak9k where I had 7 ground kills without rearming, 3 of them in one 4 bullet burst. It's actually insane. Even more insane when I say that those 3 vehicles i got in the one burst were a churchill, a panzer 4, and a sherman
I saw Oddbawz' video on the APHE, was waiting to see your take on it. Whoever thought adding APHE to Russian aircraft was okay needs their head checked out.
Simply they bugged the shell and it deals the damage of a m62 american 75mm on postpen damage. The 20k 45mm on tanks have the same filler and more pen, on card, but performs more like the german 50. Also it's a deadly laserpointer, no dispersion to speak of. Ask for a bugfix.
5:05 Sturms in case you're curious that was Delta airlines. Ironic piece of info with the A350 here: The only two incidents its ever had have been aircraft collisions, which are usually exceedingly rare, so its weird it happened twice.
Hi Bo, I wanted to hop on here and say thank you for being such and inspiration for me over the years. I recently started making my own videos so that me and my friends can relive the fun moments. I love how you maintain your style of just playing the game with friends. Thank you again for years of work and inspiration!
As a Russia main, I've encountered Russian bias a couple times. One time while I was in a PT-76, a Wirbelwind shot me multiple times and did absolutely nothing. Then, a plane bombed me and my transmission was slightly yellow. Every time I encounter Russian bias it's in the low armor vehicles.
Just about any yak managing to out turn anything that isn't japanese or a spitfire is one such example, you shouldn't be able to out thrn THE ENTIRE AMERICAN AIR TREE up to 5.3, I mean all of them do have an edge at actually having a working engine past 4000m but still
@@trentenidk8431 3.0?? But that's where the British 57mm lives, and it can damage the KV1E! we can't have that, clearly it needs to be at 2.0, it's an old tank so we can say it's historically accurate!
Report the bug, if you test the shell on big turreted tanks like a t29 or a conqueror, you can really appreciate how overperforming the filler is compared to similar competitors, like the german 50mm despite almost the same filler.
literally the montage at the start of the video, which i assume is meant to show "how op it is", kills 5 or 6 spaa at the start and none of them is shooting at Bo... its not the plane, its the skill-less AA doing absolutely nothing
@@petrkdn8224 Yeah, Bo's montage isn't a good example. Other UA-camrs have better ones. I, for one, am considering leaving Warthunder ground for a while because I have nothing higher than 4.0 in ground, and I don't want to seal club by going low enough to get away from it.
you are also now disinclined to wait for more teammates on the cap, as only the first person gets full points and everyone else only gets like 1/3rd i really do think points should take longer to cap, and score needs to be buffed without penalties to reward for time spent on the point, to better incentivize taking and holding zones
But they were, all of them, deceived, for another Ring(Su-8) was made. In the land of Mordor(Snail HQ), in the fires of Mount Doom(The Vehicle Lab), the Dark Lord Sauron(Gaijin) forged in secret a master Ring(WHY DOES IT HAVE 4 ****ing APHE 45MM CANNONS???!?!)...
the airlines joke makes me think of my favorite fictional airlines (a shame their "CEO" was corrupt), but their catchphrase is something I still say on rare occasion because it's still fun; "I'm still in the air!"
I have experienced that there are forces in warthunder that if you want to do something you won't achieve it, an example is when i get a task for assists in air battles I either won't get hits and go down instantly or my hits are direct pilot hits and I get no chance for assists. I have downed 8 aircraft in a mach without landing
i was gonna be a prick and be all like "well actually 45mm already oneshots almost all planes" ......before realising there's now a 100 or 120 shot automatic tank killer, woof that's bad.
Oh, gad, is this that insane gun that IRL couldn't be fired without destabilizing the airplane, but they mounted a few anyway? This is like something Wargaming would do.
Yak-9k and the Yag Fighter-bomber. THE buggest examples of "Hungarian devs taking bribes to make Russias WORST performing aircraft and make them the most one-sided experience this game has to offer
Glad I had some guy in game (cant remember his name) tell me to check you out again. Trying to grind low tier is pain atm when russians are against you.
2:25 I'd say Bo's callsign would be PointBreak if anything. Rushing ahead in extreme ways under gunfire, to gain points and break his tank once he has the plane.
The name of this one should have been from the 22:00 mark, "I'm on fire. Sturms, hold me. Please. Please hold me, HOLD ME! I just want you to hold me!"
They joke about cig butts keeping things working, but the windshield wiper motor is only working because i put 4 in behind the computer to keep it connecting properly XD
Great video Bo! All these thing are just down right vicious now. Might have to switch my 9T out for the K... or take both... my 9T has been good for me lol
Could you make a video of M2, the tank with more than seven 30 caliber machine guns or it could be the M2A2 with two machine gun turrets, one with 50 caliber and one with a 30 caliber please.
On the other hand, I had a 20 kills game today and killed an object 276 with a 5.7 Sherman after my friend accidentally brought us to 8.3 , so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ive played germany 4.3 today and it's rough. Suddenly everything starts to explode around you and the Yaks have arrived, 10 straight loses and several enemy pilots bragging about +5 cas kills. Gaijin sure as fuck knows how to mess up things.
This APHE buff is great fun BUT Russia didn't need it. It's insane. One match for me was 9 kills total and another game i had was 15 kills total: 3 in a tank and the rest were in the planes. I have all 3 aircraft: Su-8, TIS MA and Yak-9K.
They need to fix HEFI on the P-63 and others' 37mm, it worked fone until people cried over crossing it's nose and learning the hard way, so gajin nerfed it and now it's a pellet gun, completely useless ammo
How do you play combined army and air? (Not the 1 minute air battle in GB) Maybe I’m stupid but I’ve been playing this game for 3 years and still haven’t found that game mode
I have the SU-8....it's disgusting and that thing is a boat among boats. Wish I had a TIS MA. Very happy medium. 2x45mm instead of 4x but can still fight for its life. And 2 is simply enough to do the job in a click or 2. The Yak is evil still, but underwhelming in the click to win game. SU-8 is just Dakka for the sake of Dakka....and I'm ok with that. Edit: SURPRISE! Is the best reward in the game. I like it waaay better than a nuke. I giggle like a child every time.
For some reason for the last few videos you've uploaded, your videos have not been able to keep up with uploading itself at 1080p and i'm needing to pause every minute or so to let the buffering catch up first. Doesn't happen with any other vid on YT that i watch, only yours. Does YT have it in for you guys for some reason???
over a few matches, after announcing I was "creating balance" i team killed a few yak-9k after they got 5 or more tanks kills. noone complained or said anything because they knew using the yak-9k was OP in a dirty way lol
i hope gaijin doesnt keep it in game because it is ridiculus ive been in games where the top 2 players were both in yak 9k, with at least 6 ground kills in their planes each
I hope everyone has a great weekend! If you have a vehicle suggestion for a video next week, I would love to hear it!
The Finnish Vickers Mark E from the winter war
Can you do the T-72 Turms-T please?
m3a3 Bradley Please :)
Please do a video on the P108a2
Tomcat!
Bo *jokes about punching seals*
me : why would you do that?
Stumling : most people club them
Me remembering i'm Norwegian : right.. shit we do that..
We also do that
@@jameson1239damn Newfies
@@AutumnDeIight Great dogs though!
57mm of pen with 30 grams of explosive filler, aka half the amount of filler the Sherman's 75mm has.
Little baby nukes
59 mm of pen
More filler than panther's shell
@@HamPlaysWT yes but less weight so it kinda cancels out
ALL soviet era shit in this gane just IGNORES armor
@@jameskarg3240 you are aware planes velocity is added to the velocity of the shell when it is fired right? Even if you are flying at 400kmh(which is a low estimate on the speed you will have during a dive, normally around 500kmh or more in the yak9k) that adds 111m/s to the speed (790m/s to 900m/s) and according to a rough estimate penetration calculator i have created myself, it has roughly 71 to 76 penetration.
Maus has the strongest roof in the game at 60mm. so even at like 500m, this can penetrate the maus roof if its going like 500kmh
it "ignores" armour because its extremly fast
Me and my friend currently have a running theory that they added these just to get people to vote for the APHE changes
Y'know, that makes a ton of sense... and I hate that it does...
@@Pikachugamer-2007yeah, especially cause at top tier the only soviet shell that does any damage against planes is APHE. I mean I don’t play ground RB/SB so I only care about air to air and soviet guns at top tier suck a lot. GSH-23 is just a waterpistol and GSh-30 has 0 fire rate and deals no damage unless you use a stealth belt filled with APHE so if they’ll nerf APHE then this gun will become even worse than GSh-23. Next step might be another HE nerf so that DEFA guns on Mirage’s will also become useless (rn they’re amazing and do what all guns should do in air to air imo - they one-shot any plane no matter where they hit, they do no “hits”, they do only “severe damage” or explode planes immediately)
Except you already have a 45 in game for russia, the tank one.
And despite the same mass and less KE, the plane's shell deals almost as much damage as an american 75mm m62 with 64 grams of filler.
Simply put, they should fix the ns 45 shell, or explain what voodoo the russians did, for them to demonstrate why it behaves like so on postpen damage, and push this new overperforming on the tanks armed with 45mm too, breaking the whole game.
@@Dondolini94we have looked the only rounds we have seen are HE an AP no APHE so
@@Dondolini94 probably because of higher penetration value cause value in stat card is for shells that was fired from stationary position so that the shell has ~800m/s initial speed but the plane is not stationary and has 400-600kph (111-166m/s) so the initial velocity of those shells will be ~911-966m/s so they will have around 15% higher penetration value.
That’s just a theory though
Its fine that they get an APHE for their 45mm on a plane but when my Ariete and Saggi 2 had AP it was considered too much and got taken away. Targic.
Targic indeed
With aphe, the planes armed with those hs.825 guns would be deadlier than any A10 or SU25 strafe.
You are speaking of giving the Falcon's deadly aphe to a platform that have 2000 combined rpm on those same guns with 1000m/s muzzle velocity, handle like a butterfly and can attack the most vulnerable parts of a tank.
Would love it, but would be disgustingly OP come on 😅.
(Sagittario grinded me the whole rank and the one above btw, love that little angry hornet)
this change is so overpowered. I had a match in the yak9k where I had 7 ground kills without rearming, 3 of them in one 4 bullet burst. It's actually insane. Even more insane when I say that those 3 vehicles i got in the one burst were a churchill, a panzer 4, and a sherman
I saw Oddbawz' video on the APHE, was waiting to see your take on it. Whoever thought adding APHE to Russian aircraft was okay needs their head checked out.
but its fine on german, american, italian and japanese planes?
Simply they bugged the shell and it deals the damage of a m62 american 75mm on postpen damage.
The 20k 45mm on tanks have the same filler and more pen, on card, but performs more like the german 50.
Also it's a deadly laserpointer, no dispersion to speak of.
Ask for a bugfix.
Yep, a Southwest Airline's gate agent attacked a cancer patient.
Coincidence?
@@jackythepunk
More like typical
@@pugasaurusrex8253liberals have no respect such a shame
What Did They Even Do?
@@AntyMontyXPthey're bringing cancer to our country
Non-Soviet mains: How much Bias is too much bias?
Gaijin: I don't understand the question comrade
A case? You have a whole epidemic here! 😂
Today on BTG: Bo get's on the bad side of the airline industry, Stickboy's been borrowing uniforms and Sturmling tries to ground Bo.
5:05 Sturms in case you're curious that was Delta airlines. Ironic piece of info with the A350 here: The only two incidents its ever had have been aircraft collisions, which are usually exceedingly rare, so its weird it happened twice.
These shells are insane!! Tis one of Ma favorite videos of the year!
Bo "Now I've become Death, Destroyer of Worlds" Time
To soon for Christmas jokes yet my local Lowe's has trees on display already
Hi Bo, I wanted to hop on here and say thank you for being such and inspiration for me over the years. I recently started making my own videos so that me and my friends can relive the fun moments. I love how you maintain your style of just playing the game with friends. Thank you again for years of work and inspiration!
22;03 no - strums hold me
Strums - don’t land on me
Sturmling: The two planes that hit each other at Atlanta was a Delta A350 and Delta Connection CRJ. The 350 literally sliced the tail off of the CRJ.
A yak9 seal clubbed my t95...and he only fired 2 or 3 rounds. I was not mentally the same after that.
I've noticed that this gaijin Russian bias just keeps getting worse every patch
As a Russia main, I've encountered Russian bias a couple times. One time while I was in a PT-76, a Wirbelwind shot me multiple times and did absolutely nothing. Then, a plane bombed me and my transmission was slightly yellow. Every time I encounter Russian bias it's in the low armor vehicles.
What belt did the wirbelwind use?
Just about any yak managing to out turn anything that isn't japanese or a spitfire is one such example, you shouldn't be able to out thrn THE ENTIRE AMERICAN AIR TREE up to 5.3, I mean all of them do have an edge at actually having a working engine past 4000m but still
@@allancoelho6905Thats actually lore accurate, almost all U.S. planes turn rate isn't anything special. Speed, armor and firepower was their focus.
No you dont understand its absolutely necessary for russian planes to have aphe without it there was no chance of them winning like kv1e is just 2 bad
So true they should put the KV-1E down to 3.0 smh
Hoes mad
@@trentenidk8431 3.0??
But that's where the British 57mm lives, and it can damage the KV1E! we can't have that, clearly it needs to be at 2.0, it's an old tank so we can say it's historically accurate!
@@Llamazone-Prime yeah meanwhile the swedish kv1 one is simply too good because reasons, must go to 8.0!!!!
@@Llamazone-Prime true but maybe 1.0 would be better, after all my trusted russian sources say that russia was on the way to producing it in ww1!
Back in my day, You would get 3 cigarettes with every MRE !!!!!! The good ole days. Great video fellas! Rock on!!!
So either they nerf these 45mm belts, or just ignore the complaints and leave them as is.
It's probably going to be the latter.
nothing is gonna happen because its the sekrit dokumints, or its gonna get the whole horten treatment. its gonna be the dokumints
Definently Gonna Leave It Like That For A Year
Report the bug, if you test the shell on big turreted tanks like a t29 or a conqueror, you can really appreciate how overperforming the filler is compared to similar competitors, like the german 50mm despite almost the same filler.
Just a "little" russian bias lmao *edit.
Yes
literally the montage at the start of the video, which i assume is meant to show "how op it is", kills 5 or 6 spaa at the start and none of them is shooting at Bo... its not the plane, its the skill-less AA doing absolutely nothing
@@petrkdn8224 Yeah, Bo's montage isn't a good example. Other UA-camrs have better ones.
I, for one, am considering leaving Warthunder ground for a while because I have nothing higher than 4.0 in ground, and I don't want to seal club by going low enough to get away from it.
you are also now disinclined to wait for more teammates on the cap, as only the first person gets full points and everyone else only gets like 1/3rd
i really do think points should take longer to cap, and score needs to be buffed without penalties to reward for time spent on the point, to better incentivize taking and holding zones
But they were, all of them, deceived, for another Ring(Su-8) was made. In the land of Mordor(Snail HQ), in the fires of Mount Doom(The Vehicle Lab), the Dark Lord Sauron(Gaijin) forged in secret a master Ring(WHY DOES IT HAVE 4 ****ing APHE 45MM CANNONS???!?!)...
I really do enjoy watching Bo, Stick and Sturmling play WT together. But its just more fun when Bear is with them. I miss him. 😟
The fridge launcher is now even more crazy strong
Now yak-9k is now even stronger and man it destroys tanks.
Oh these planes just got so much scarier…
the airlines joke makes me think of my favorite fictional airlines (a shame their "CEO" was corrupt), but their catchphrase is something I still say on rare occasion because it's still fun; "I'm still in the air!"
The Tisma was already overpowered now it’s got a new cancerous shell type. This game sucks.
So you're saying they need to remove all the cancer shells to make it healthy again? Imagine the surgical bill...
yup and they wonder why ground is unbalanced
I got bullied by yak 9 yesterday because of this
I have experienced that there are forces in warthunder that if you want to do something you won't achieve it, an example is when i get a task for assists in air battles I either won't get hits and go down instantly or my hits are direct pilot hits and I get no chance for assists. I have downed 8 aircraft in a mach without landing
Never had a bo video start off like that before
i was gonna be a prick and be all like "well actually 45mm already oneshots almost all planes" ......before realising there's now a 100 or 120 shot automatic tank killer, woof that's bad.
Planes using Space Marine Bolter Ammo. Nice!
Oh, gad, is this that insane gun that IRL couldn't be fired without destabilizing the airplane, but they mounted a few anyway? This is like something Wargaming would do.
Yeah, those 45mm shells are a little broken. I never had problems using the Yak-9K with the solid shot either
I got 1 shot in a churchill VII by this thing I was shocked
Yes, can confirm Fallout legendary Bo spoke of is real
I don't think whoever does WT balancing actually plays the game
Watched you edit this one last night lol. Wish my radio hadn’t kept going off so I could participate a bit more.
Keep up the good work though, Bo.
Surprised it took you this long to make a video about how insanely OP this new round is lmao
At 23 min in it sounds and looks like Bo is mowing the lawn/hedges of his enemy for spite so they will take him out soo he can fly the planes :D lol
Yak-9k and the Yag Fighter-bomber.
THE buggest examples of "Hungarian devs taking bribes to make Russias WORST performing aircraft and make them the most one-sided experience this game has to offer
Hungarian? Gaijin is based in Belarus
@@_ichsanni8294 Did they move?
@@jameskarg3240 sorry I think I misremembered. I could've swear they were in Russia's close ally country
@@_ichsanni8294 Hungary might as well be Russias ally, veritable stockholm syndrome is what theyve gained
@@_ichsanni8294 Gaijin was originally Russian and then moved to Hungary. Wargaming was the Belarussian one, and they're now in Cyprus
Good Afternoon
Glad I had some guy in game (cant remember his name) tell me to check you out again. Trying to grind low tier is pain atm when russians are against you.
2:25 I'd say Bo's callsign would be PointBreak if anything. Rushing ahead in extreme ways under gunfire, to gain points and break his tank once he has the plane.
Great intro and video Bo!
Excellent video, ty guys.
The name of this one should have been from the 22:00 mark, "I'm on fire. Sturms, hold me. Please. Please hold me, HOLD ME! I just want you to hold me!"
They joke about cig butts keeping things working, but the windshield wiper motor is only working because i put 4 in behind the computer to keep it connecting properly XD
Intro was quite fun, like that song that played
Great video Bo! All these thing are just down right vicious now.
Might have to switch my 9T out for the K... or take both... my 9T has been good for me lol
Aww, that was such a cliffhanger moment to end the video on...
I don't play the Russian tree just on principles....
That montage was epic at the beginning of the video!
Could you make a video of M2, the tank with more than seven 30 caliber machine guns or it could be the M2A2 with two machine gun turrets, one with 50 caliber and one with a 30 caliber please.
Oh yeah I remember getting cut in half twice by these planes today :/
On the other hand, I had a 20 kills game today and killed an object 276 with a 5.7 Sherman after my friend accidentally brought us to 8.3 , so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can we have another one of these videos? This was so good.
YEEEEEES THANK YOU BO FINALLY SOMEONE TAKESOUT MY FAV PLANE :D
the force is strong in this one
ive played germany 4.3 today and it's rough.
Suddenly everything starts to explode around you and the Yaks have arrived, 10 straight loses and several enemy pilots bragging about +5 cas kills.
Gaijin sure as fuck knows how to mess up things.
Now you gotta do a hide and go seak with the 45mm aphe pwaaanes
leave it to gaijin to make low tier not fun.
I can already hear Spookstan screaming
So glad to see I am not the only one with game crashes like that.
i got one shot with it in my KV2, tried the TIS with this shell and it just one shot left and right
Why does nobody use the Yak-9UT? It has the upgraded VK-107 engine, as well as the 45mm!
we need a combined arms mode and or an EC event
This APHE buff is great fun BUT Russia didn't need it. It's insane. One match for me was 9 kills total and another game i had was 15 kills total: 3 in a tank and the rest were in the planes. I have all 3 aircraft: Su-8, TIS MA and Yak-9K.
They need to fix HEFI on the P-63 and others' 37mm, it worked fone until people cried over crossing it's nose and learning the hard way, so gajin nerfed it and now it's a pellet gun, completely useless ammo
We played last night…. Probably half the battles a Yak-9 killed at least 2 tanks every match!
"Evolves from Lenin" LOL
Loving that stick is a Vikings fan too
Bo i kept getting that crash every time i would click R to range find a target. it would hard rash my game lmao.
Another excellent episode
How do you play combined army and air? (Not the 1 minute air battle in GB) Maybe I’m stupid but I’ve been playing this game for 3 years and still haven’t found that game mode
Hi, i love the vids. and for a vehical i think you would have a fun time playing the ELC bis!
I got top down killed at 8.0 twice by a yak 9k while was in type 59 and 69 other day
This is the crew I wish I had.
I have the SU-8....it's disgusting and that thing is a boat among boats. Wish I had a TIS MA. Very happy medium. 2x45mm instead of 4x but can still fight for its life. And 2 is simply enough to do the job in a click or 2. The Yak is evil still, but underwhelming in the click to win game.
SU-8 is just Dakka for the sake of Dakka....and I'm ok with that.
Edit: SURPRISE! Is the best reward in the game. I like it waaay better than a nuke. I giggle like a child every time.
For some reason for the last few videos you've uploaded, your videos have not been able to keep up with uploading itself at 1080p and i'm needing to pause every minute or so to let the buffering catch up first. Doesn't happen with any other vid on YT that i watch, only yours.
Does YT have it in for you guys for some reason???
I was killed by a yak 9 in my jumbo and I was so confused
OddBawz got a nuke in the BT7A before, it’s possible
Why people hate on Southwest 😭
WTF was that plane equipped with? a 155mm autocannon?
over a few matches, after announcing I was "creating balance" i team killed a few yak-9k after they got 5 or more tanks kills. noone complained or said anything because they knew using the yak-9k was OP in a dirty way lol
Why do russians seem to get railguns in every game? In world of warships as well they get super high velocity guns
Delta are the one's that collided
We all know, the Medics FatMan is the best FatMan
URRRAh Camorad Popov - I anounce you (The Hero Of The SOVIET UNION) 🛠
So this means German Mine Shot is getting un-nerfed then, yeah? To deal with all this Russian Bias?
Did stick say Asterix instead of asterisk? Asterix is from gaul
I mean... The guns on those seem perfectly reasonable. But only if they also use "movie ammo capacity" rules, too.
where is the shot dispersion? there seems to be... none
i hope gaijin doesnt keep it in game because it is ridiculus ive been in games where the top 2 players were both in yak 9k, with at least 6 ground kills in their planes each