The Platinum Game formula is fantastic, it works with so many different game styles and genres. Third person shooter, open world RPG, linear hallway hack and slash. But, live service RPG just doesn’t work at all.
Unfortunately they said they wanted to experiment more with this format. Initially that was what scalebound was supposed to be too. I’m starting to see why it was canceled.
@@vullord666 I watched an interview on Microsoft and the devs of Scalebound platinum games. It was because the American Microsoft company and the Japanese company kept budding heads and couldn't work well together. And Microsoft kept pushing platinum to try and release the game without fully testing and platinum was like yeah we xant do that there's bugs we have to fix. And Microsoft was saying just fix it after launch. Platinum was not having that and kept postponing everything to make sure the game was 100%. Platinum said they got the completed just needed more testing. Microsoft then pulled the plug because of the delays. The came was completed I hope someone out there have the finished game. I would love to try it out or just even watch someone play it. All of that money waisted so sad. Scalebound reminded me of my childhood favorite ps1 game called Legend of Dragoon.
Honestly I’d love to play a properly executed platinum game. The problem with Babylons fall is that it lacked the depth and complexity of platinum’s other games. Like imagine play a hack in slash with the depth of bayonetta with constant updates and new levels. It’d be amazing (if we’ll designed of course)
Nerd remark: Bows and firearms were used alongside each other for several centuries (people very much tend to misjudge how early guns started seeing use). However, the handguns in the game are clearly based on revolvers, which would only have been invented centuries after that time.
The painting astethic could have worked, if they made the design of everything around it. I mean, Killer is Dead came a long time ago yet the creators made sure everything followed the comic-shaded artstyle.
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fun fact: guns and bows sharing a battle field isnt so odd! even as late as WW2 there was one well known case of a Scottish man who insisted on bringing his bow and sword to the battlefield (and wearing a kilt!). this was allowed because his skill with the bow as actually pretty outstanding and he was just as effective as his fellow soldiers! (there isnt much difference in RoF between a bolt action rifle and a bow and modern soldiers didnt wear armor so the arrow was perfectly capable of killing a man in one shot)
15:35 Guns actually coexisted with bows from the 13th century all the way up to the 18th century. Given that there seems to still be knights in full plate rather than conquistadors in really tall helmets, I'd say it's probably around the 14th or 15th century.
I don't understand how they could look at those textures and think "yep, that sure does look like an oil painting!" I mean ffs, Okami back on the PS2 figured out how to make a game look like an actual painting. It's even sadder when you remember that Clover went on to become Platinum.
12:51 I’m glad at least one of you noticed this-for all of the wrong this game did, the major boss fights and their themes were among the few highlights (more so the latter than the former)
7:40 "Marcello?" "What is it?" "What are you doing? "Holding a pistol" "MAMA MIA that's not how you hold a pistol. 7:55 This is how you hold a pistol. Alberto, come look at Marcello"- Lichtenstein
Watch, he agrees, But instead of that hyped up, Prince That Was Promised yet ended up Season 8 GoT quality 4player game, He plays the original dungeon crawler XD
There actually was a long time period where the military used both firearms and bows/crossbows, they didn't have pistols though... More like metal tubes packed with gunpowder and a metal ball like an over the shoulder cannon, bows were a lot cheaper and more accurate at the time so people kept using them until firearms caught up in efficiency.
Part of the reason guns took off once they became easier to mass produce is that it's hell of a lot easier to train masses of people to "lift up from this side, point open end at the enemy, pull this switch, brace for bang." than "train the grandparents how to use a bow, train the parents how to use a bow, train the kid how to use a bow, use the kid in war"
I remember like a month of everyone hyping this game up and then suddenly, crickets chirping, it fell off so fast. 🤣 An absolute mess and we thank you and your friends for braving through this for people who are just finding out what this game is.
Popped in with a suggestion. Risen, recently got a HD remake style release on xbox. No doubt given that it's Kevduit, I would love to see him do the original release version
you should try from the depths one day. its a game where you can build any vessel you want wether if its a tank or a ship or a plane or a robot or you can just make an rtx 2080 fly and shoot missles. even tho it has a learning wall rather than a learning cliff its still fun
It legit upsets me that this turned out so bad. They had interesting ideas and I can see a good game from all of this mess, but they just screwed it so badly and so inherently that it couldn't even last a year.
15:04 Imagine the coolest and probably the most holy weapon in Elden Ring: Sacred Relic is like that "Sword wrought from the remains of a god who should have lived a life eternal. Thoughts on what the weapon portends are many and varied. Some consider it the mark of a great sin, or a sign of great devastation. Some think of it as the end of an age, while others; the beginning." Obtained by killing a god Or in the battlepass
I can really appreciate you guys taking a piss poor, boring game and turn it into such a mindless fun time with a few buddies to laugh with. The shot of everyone with 4 guns got me 😂
By playing Babylon's Fall Kevduit and his friends have technically experienced a fraction of the content from Final Fantasy XIV thanks to Babylon's Fall borrowing Gear and Emote assets from FFXIV.
The whole "The programmers chose to base the aesthetic on European Oil Paintings of Olde Times" thing? Did they look at any of the GOOD paintings? They do exist, you know.
But if they were to imitate the style of good paintings, they wouldn't be able to apply a photoshop filter to things and call it a day. And they need to cut those corners to focus on the important things, like designing skinner boxes and FOMO.
Random comment without relation to the video !!! But I love watching you and your content so much !!! I watch you everyday and have been going through all your videos slowly. Got here from your Transformers Fall Of Cybertron videos when I found them around a month back or so, because I absolutely loved the game and I was not disappointed. I then proceeded to not be disappointed with any of your videos. Keep up what you’re doing Kev 😊
it's like kev said, they went for oil painting look only on the worst part, the textures and 1 screen transition it's not an art style when the style is put through a blender then a grinder i think it would've been cool if they have simple texture (instead of fake brush stroke mush), oil painting and cel shading style for the shader and lighting (like you can see the brush strokes in shadows and darker areas) the effects such as particles, smoke, etc go for the lower frame-rate feel, like the big boss dude with the muffled voice his kick + cel-shaded-low-frame-rate-oil-painting-esque smoke to show the dust and dirt on the ground getting kicked is it more effort? yeah cuz it's not a simple filter over every texture that they probably apply on the end of the artist's process but hell, i've seen dota 2 with official custom shader that shows a better art style of what babylon fall tried (cel shaded heroes, black swirls in the fog of war and any screenshot would've look like a top-down rough-ish illustration of a Halloween-themed fairy tale and that's only a shader for a limited time game-mode) for those curious, look up "dota 2 diretide shader effect 2020" plenty of screenshots and videos of it
Live services are great. You take all of the good parts out of MMORPGs (make sure you take ALL of them out), suck what little fun is left out of it, and then monetize everything imaginable. Monthly subscriptions, paid skins, exp boosters, level skips, enhancement success up... If it's instance-based (like any good live service should be), you don't even pay for servers - Just some basic backend services and let clients host their own instances with an awful peer-to-peer netcode straight out of a Korean F2P title. What can go wrong? It's basically printing money.
this game looks like someone was told to recreate dark souls, but they were only shown a 20 second clip of the game and the publisher also had never even heard of a video game so they thought it would be fine.
"What time period is this where people are still using bows, but also guns?" Several centuries of human history? Knights in full plate armor were using guns for over 100 years. Guns go back further than people think.
Your next video title: “I have no friends” lol 😂 just kidding dude. Hey are you gonna play the DBZ Kakarot game? That would be amazing for your channel. 😎👍🏼. Plus the DLC is awesome!
"But we can't get infinite money from those since people only buy the game once, we have to add in tons of systems where people spend money every day. How else am I supposed to increase my weekly bonus by another 2 million??"
Literally all of the reviews: "Don't buy this game."
Kevduit: *"Those reviews can't stop me because I can't read."*
You mean “CONTENT”
@@KingBr33ch YOU MEAN VIEWS AND MONEY
@@GenuinelyphasingZoned whores cost money
The Platinum Game formula is fantastic, it works with so many different game styles and genres. Third person shooter, open world RPG, linear hallway hack and slash. But, live service RPG just doesn’t work at all.
It's a hack and slash fundamentally..
Unfortunately they said they wanted to experiment more with this format. Initially that was what scalebound was supposed to be too. I’m starting to see why it was canceled.
@@vullord666 I watched an interview on Microsoft and the devs of Scalebound platinum games. It was because the American Microsoft company and the Japanese company kept budding heads and couldn't work well together. And Microsoft kept pushing platinum to try and release the game without fully testing and platinum was like yeah we xant do that there's bugs we have to fix. And Microsoft was saying just fix it after launch. Platinum was not having that and kept postponing everything to make sure the game was 100%. Platinum said they got the completed just needed more testing. Microsoft then pulled the plug because of the delays. The came was completed I hope someone out there have the finished game. I would love to try it out or just even watch someone play it. All of that money waisted so sad. Scalebound reminded me of my childhood favorite ps1 game called Legend of Dragoon.
Honestly I’d love to play a properly executed platinum game. The problem with Babylons fall is that it lacked the depth and complexity of platinum’s other games. Like imagine play a hack in slash with the depth of bayonetta with constant updates and new levels. It’d be amazing (if we’ll designed of course)
@@vullord666 Scalebound had multiplayer but it was not planned as a live service title.
‘You guys remember getting your PS2, And having this on launch day?” That made me laugh out loud.
Nerd remark: Bows and firearms were used alongside each other for several centuries (people very much tend to misjudge how early guns started seeing use). However, the handguns in the game are clearly based on revolvers, which would only have been invented centuries after that time.
Force your friends to play deep rock galactic, they deserve something nice
that game is so fun i would love to watch that
ROCK AND STONE!
@@thewhitestormtrooper5697 ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE!
ROCK AND STONE!
Yes deep rock galactic is sick
The painting astethic could have worked, if they made the design of everything around it.
I mean, Killer is Dead came a long time ago yet the creators made sure everything followed the comic-shaded artstyle.
I mean Guild Wars 2 revolves around that theme and they pretty much nailed it.
Okami
This video is gonna have more views than Babylon's Fall will ever have players.
Holy fuck, you fucking killed them dude.
Damn, that's so sad.
The highest player count on steam was... 108 players
@@valletas So, probably more concurrent views than concurrent players in the game's best day.
...that's got to sting.
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This is my favorite comment
They knew what they signed up for.
That sounds like a UA-cam idea.
fun fact: guns and bows sharing a battle field isnt so odd! even as late as WW2 there was one well known case of a Scottish man who insisted on bringing his bow and sword to the battlefield (and wearing a kilt!).
this was allowed because his skill with the bow as actually pretty outstanding and he was just as effective as his fellow soldiers! (there isnt much difference in RoF between a bolt action rifle and a bow and modern soldiers didnt wear armor so the arrow was perfectly capable of killing a man in one shot)
15:35 Guns actually coexisted with bows from the 13th century all the way up to the 18th century. Given that there seems to still be knights in full plate rather than conquistadors in really tall helmets, I'd say it's probably around the 14th or 15th century.
My theory is they assumed reviewers wouldn't get that far before launch so they front loaded the "good" cut scenes
“Lord Bemus!” That had me laughing so hard. No wonder they’re cutting the game off, how can you take that seriously? 😂
This makes lord beerus look like the bad guy.
I don't understand how they could look at those textures and think "yep, that sure does look like an oil painting!" I mean ffs, Okami back on the PS2 figured out how to make a game look like an actual painting. It's even sadder when you remember that Clover went on to become Platinum.
14:12 that was one of the tactics of Blackbeard he just had a vest holster thing with like 6 pistols at all times.
12:51 I’m glad at least one of you noticed this-for all of the wrong this game did, the major boss fights and their themes were among the few highlights (more so the latter than the former)
i dont think ive clicked on a video faster.
i bet you all were the peak of the actual playerbase in the last few months
7:40 "Marcello?"
"What is it?"
"What are you doing?
"Holding a pistol"
"MAMA MIA that's not how you hold a pistol. 7:55 This is how you hold a pistol. Alberto, come look at Marcello"- Lichtenstein
A bad game for you and your friends to play is Dungeons and Dragons Dark Alliance. Would love to see you guys experience that horror.
It is, I had high hopes for it and took the plunge and baught it, only to retire after a week.
Watch, he agrees,
But instead of that hyped up, Prince That Was Promised yet ended up Season 8 GoT quality 4player game,
He plays the original dungeon crawler XD
You want them to commit don’t you
I watched Angry Joe's review of that game and it's one of his funniest reviews. Also it really annoyed me he couldn't say toque properly.
This this
18:49 Ah yes, i remember this Dark Souls Boss, *Bengus and Mongus*
Truly one of the greatest games of all time
You mean truly one of the games of all time
You meant "Truly one of the grainiest games of all time"
@@BabyKobeeee It isn't even that
You mean greatest trash ever
@@BabyKobeeee its not even a game anymore
Kev’s friends punching the air rn
Why do you hate your friends
"it's not hate if you have a gun"
- Wise man
Because it's funny
Why his Friend does not him"
He does not have friends, he has the boys.
Don't worry, it's an S&M thing - they're into it.
20:32
If your friend jumped off a cliff-
The homies: yes
Guess we can say this is how babylon's fall fell.
Absolute legends raining down lead and jumping off cliffs together
There actually was a long time period where the military used both firearms and bows/crossbows, they didn't have pistols though... More like metal tubes packed with gunpowder and a metal ball like an over the shoulder cannon, bows were a lot cheaper and more accurate at the time so people kept using them until firearms caught up in efficiency.
Part of the reason guns took off once they became easier to mass produce is that it's hell of a lot easier to train masses of people to "lift up from this side, point open end at the enemy, pull this switch, brace for bang." than "train the grandparents how to use a bow, train the parents how to use a bow, train the kid how to use a bow, use the kid in war"
I remember like a month of everyone hyping this game up and then suddenly, crickets chirping, it fell off so fast. 🤣
An absolute mess and we thank you and your friends for braving through this for people who are just finding out what this game is.
Every time the Elden Ring music begins playing, I'm fooled into thinking sometihng epic will happen. And Kevduit got me every single time.
As a troll, it would be funny to have 10k people jump on during the last week to see if they would change their mind about shutting down the game.
This is such a cruel fate to bring your friends to. I love it
Popped in with a suggestion.
Risen, recently got a HD remake style release on xbox. No doubt given that it's Kevduit, I would love to see him do the original release version
Oh, that's a good idea
you should try from the depths one day. its a game where you can build any vessel you want wether if its a tank or a ship or a plane or a robot or you can just make an rtx 2080 fly and shoot missles. even tho it has a learning wall rather than a learning cliff its still fun
It legit upsets me that this turned out so bad. They had interesting ideas and I can see a good game from all of this mess, but they just screwed it so badly and so inherently that it couldn't even last a year.
Corporate greed for ya, it'll suck any potential good out and replace it with a cash shop system.
15:04 Imagine the coolest and probably the most holy weapon in Elden Ring: Sacred Relic is like that
"Sword wrought from the remains of a god who should have lived a life eternal.
Thoughts on what the weapon portends are many and varied. Some consider it the mark of a great sin, or a sign of great devastation. Some think of it as the end of an age, while others; the beginning."
Obtained by killing a god
Or in the battlepass
18:40 They reused the exact same model as the archangels in the Bayonetta series but painted it in black
It’s funny seeing Babylon’s Fall announce a cut to servers and support in THE SAME YEAR. It was so mid istg
Thank god for the demo, huh😂
Mid is average. This isn't mid. It's trash.
@@bthsr7113 Yeah. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could say that Babylon's Fall is "mid".
Babylon did in fact, Fall. On multiple levels
I can really appreciate you guys taking a piss poor, boring game and turn it into such a mindless fun time with a few buddies to laugh with. The shot of everyone with 4 guns got me 😂
I loved the part Babylon says “it’s babylin time” and then it just falls. Best part of the game. 5/7
At this point which games hasn't he forced his friends to play
oh there is a long list my friend
This is the most amount of views a gameplay video of Babylon's Fall ever got. Good for them for finally making an impact in the media world.
love your content sm, gets me through hard times 💕
I hope your day is going alright.
Ever wonder if the devs made sure this game sucked because the suits destroyed their vision?
That would be better by virtue of this thing being an attempt at a lesson, and someone knowing this was a terrible hunk of self igniting garbage.
Jim Milton Rides Again was one of the greatest moments of my life. That song brings back such great memories.
Fun fact: Jambon is French for Ham. So someone is literally just called ham.
the cutscenes when the budget ran out... amazing.
Can't wait for the origins video: "I forced my friends to be my friends"
One game I could really recommend for checking out is Wanted: Dead. Not because it's super bad OR super good, but because it is incredibly weird.
Damn... Even Super Mario 64 had more npc's walking around than this game. I appreciate your noble sacrifice gentlemen
By playing Babylon's Fall Kevduit and his friends have technically experienced a fraction of the content from Final Fantasy XIV thanks to Babylon's Fall borrowing Gear and Emote assets from FFXIV.
This game looks like when people make AI upscales of PS2-era games' textures and try to say it's an "HD texture pack"
The whole "The programmers chose to base the aesthetic on European Oil Paintings of Olde Times" thing? Did they look at any of the GOOD paintings? They do exist, you know.
But if they were to imitate the style of good paintings, they wouldn't be able to apply a photoshop filter to things and call it a day. And they need to cut those corners to focus on the important things, like designing skinner boxes and FOMO.
They can not afford that shit.
Kev re-enacts the Spanish Conquistadors landing in South America
I can imagine the bosses being filled with more bullets than they have of flesh after every boss fight.
Even watching this game being played is boring even with you guys legendary commentary 😂
This looks like Elden Ring if it was a mobile game
Yo kev wassup, I’m from your twitch and this was a blast watching. You should also shoutout your twitch a bit, it’s truly a VIP experience.
Random comment without relation to the video !!! But I love watching you and your content so much !!! I watch you everyday and have been going through all your videos slowly. Got here from your Transformers Fall Of Cybertron videos when I found them around a month back or so, because I absolutely loved the game and I was not disappointed. I then proceeded to not be disappointed with any of your videos. Keep up what you’re doing Kev 😊
Truly the most UA-cam game of all time.
Oh our Lord, Barry Bemus Benson.
Can't get over Empress of Fire playing in the background. Good taste Kev.
"Blessed Lord Beamus!"
Take a shot every time they say Beemus lmao
I went to one of those unclaimed or refunded package places and I found like 200+ Babylon’s Fall game discs 😂
I wanna say I like the idea of oil painting esque graphics
Probably just not for a 3d game
Dishonored 1 is an excellent example of that style and that came out like 10 yrs ago
it's like kev said, they went for oil painting look only on the worst part, the textures and 1 screen transition
it's not an art style when the style is put through a blender then a grinder
i think it would've been cool if they have simple texture (instead of fake brush stroke mush), oil painting and cel shading style for the shader and lighting (like you can see the brush strokes in shadows and darker areas)
the effects such as particles, smoke, etc go for the lower frame-rate feel, like the big boss dude with the muffled voice
his kick + cel-shaded-low-frame-rate-oil-painting-esque smoke to show the dust and dirt on the ground getting kicked
is it more effort? yeah cuz it's not a simple filter over every texture that they probably apply on the end of the artist's process
but hell, i've seen dota 2 with official custom shader that shows a better art style of what babylon fall tried (cel shaded heroes, black swirls in the fog of war and any screenshot would've look like a top-down rough-ish illustration of a Halloween-themed fairy tale and that's only a shader for a limited time game-mode)
for those curious, look up "dota 2 diretide shader effect 2020" plenty of screenshots and videos of it
Can we pull a Morbius and start a campaign for them to relaunch the servers after they shut down just for no one to play it? That'd be grand.
18:53 the donut helmet makes it look like there is no head at all
Please do more of these. These are great
"you look like a chest piece" 😂😂😂😂
Live services are great. You take all of the good parts out of MMORPGs (make sure you take ALL of them out), suck what little fun is left out of it, and then monetize everything imaginable. Monthly subscriptions, paid skins, exp boosters, level skips, enhancement success up... If it's instance-based (like any good live service should be), you don't even pay for servers - Just some basic backend services and let clients host their own instances with an awful peer-to-peer netcode straight out of a Korean F2P title. What can go wrong? It's basically printing money.
My boy kev almost at 1 mil subs, they grow up so fast
this game looks like someone was told to recreate dark souls, but they were only shown a 20 second clip of the game and the publisher also had never even heard of a video game so they thought it would be fine.
Glad you guys found the meta a month before it closes 👍
Imagine making horrendous painterly graphics to then just see Season: A Letter to the Future release with it's insane art style
“STANDING HERE, I REALIZE” that this was Nier-ly a decent game, but instead all we were left with was Devastation.
"Who needs an automatic rifle when you have this many pistols."
*Angry Sigmar praising in the distance.*
Who knew the secret to enjoying this game was guns...lots of guns?
5:22 bully music i see you're a man of culture as well
People actually put money together to make this game, crazy. Love these videos tho Kevin
I found this way funnier than it has any right to be found.
Man 2002 was a fun time.
Such a UA-cam video, truly a UA-cam moment.
Lord Bemus might be the most "I don't give a fuck" name ever given to a boss.
"lets have dbz beerus in the game but don't have him at the same time"
Finally, Kratos with guns
Ha ha more Babylon’s fail… amaright guys🤓
Every fight in this game with guns looks like watching Alex Murphy getting shot to death by criminals in robocop 1.
"Survive for almost a year" LOL!
this is by far the most evil thing you've ever done to your friends
i always reset one of the side buttons for the thumb to be middle click, so it wouldnt actually bother me to have dodge be set to it.
0:06 why does it look like he poked himself in the eye with the pencil 😂
The footshot at 3:37 was the highlight
Whoever brought up the oil painting style needs to be deep fried
Lol the jump mechanic that jumps off the cliff when you have a platform to jump to… I can imagine millions of uninstall spam at the same moments
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"What time period is this where people are still using bows, but also guns?"
Several centuries of human history? Knights in full plate armor were using guns for over 100 years. Guns go back further than people think.
Watched in 360, could not tell the difference 👍
Your next video title: “I have no friends” lol 😂 just kidding dude. Hey are you gonna play the DBZ Kakarot game? That would be amazing for your channel. 😎👍🏼. Plus the DLC is awesome!
well this boss that was mumbling kinda cool. he is so sad and ugly at the same time just like some DS bosses
Bloody knuckles is the best description of gaming
This should have been a linar single player game
"But we can't get infinite money from those since people only buy the game once, we have to add in tons of systems where people spend money every day. How else am I supposed to increase my weekly bonus by another 2 million??"