How to ACQUIRE a Language: Why Input is KING | Comprehensible Input and Stephen Krashen

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  • @Vamos1969
    @Vamos1969 Рік тому +7

    Most important tip. Input has got to come first. It's impossible to give output without first taking in a lot of input.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому

      💯👆🏻

    • @Vamos1969
      @Vamos1969 Рік тому

      @@PolyglotSecrets Keep giving your tips and advice, they're very useful and work 100% if used correctly.
      Sadly, there are so many language learners who think that if they get grammar books and study them, then they'll automatically start speaking, understanding and writing in the language they're learning. They'll reach a decent level but just on paper. I remember using a language learning forum for Spanish and there was a guy that used to correct everyone. His level was very high. I said to him that he must be fluent, and he said '' only on paper '' He had problems understanding and speaking Spanish!! Grammar does play it's part but listening and reading and later speaking, play a massive part.
      I always say to language learners to think how they learnt their native language. Do babies use grammar books or do they just receive input? It's amazing when a child from 0 - 3 years old receives a lot of input, then starts speaking at around 3 years old. Their comprehension is already quite good. They'll make mistakes but will correct them in time. Input, input, input. Like Johnny 5 the robot 😃

  • @polyglotsjourney
    @polyglotsjourney Рік тому +18

    Stephen Krashen really changed our lives. 🥳Still a lot of people are not aware of the second language acquisition theory and most of the schools all around the world are using skill building methods in order to teach foreign languages. It makes me nuts 😅

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +6

      Me too! I don't know why there has been almost no innovation and advancement in school language instruction, especially considering that the current setup is clearly not working for most people. 🤦‍♀

    • @polyglotsjourney
      @polyglotsjourney Рік тому

      @@PolyglotSecrets As noted by S. Krashen on many occasions, it's a huge business. The whole industry that is made on testing the learners' level of grammar. The whole system would crash it they admit they are wrong. That's why we are here 😁

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +1

      Oh I see, I missed that part - thank you for sharing!

  • @elenaekanathapetrova2282
    @elenaekanathapetrova2282 Рік тому +15

    Thank you!
    I'm inspired by Stephen Krashen, Stephen Kaufman, Matt vs. japan and others. I do my best to acquire English. Now I start to learn Hindi, Bengali and Ukrainian and I use English for that as well. I'm a Russian native speaker. I also watched your short video about learning multiple languages at the same time. It was actually relevant for me. I had doubts because it needs time to create core for each language.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +2

      Thank you! I'm so glad my videos are helpful for you ☺

  • @Nathan00at78Uuiu
    @Nathan00at78Uuiu 7 місяців тому

    I thought I was someone for whom comprehensible input didn't work for but then I saw your video with Steven Kaufman about the ability to notice which helped me have a more nuanced view about CI and why it might not have worked for me or why what I received growing up wasn't CI. I grew up in a city on the border of the US and Mexico in Texas in a Spansh speaking home and predominantly Spanish speaking city. Yet, I am not fluent in Spanish. When my parents or relatives spoke in Spanish to me I would respond in English and never had to really speak Spanish. Now that I want to and communicate with my Mexcian native in laws, I can't without lots of gaps in my Spanish. But I think the issue is that I wasn't motivated growing up to learn Spanish and didn't take careful notice of what was being said to me in Spanish. I would just look for the summary or gist of what was being said. So maybe this explains why I didn't advance in my speaking skills in Spanish. What do you think would help me at this point in my case? Thanks

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  6 місяців тому +1

      I think CI is even more important for you! Emphasize on what Steve likes to call "the ability to notice" - he has many videos on the topic. I feel like that is crucial. You might also want to check out my video on becoming advanced - it would be applicable, as I am sure you have absorbed quite a bit of Spanish by now. Try to read, watch, and listen to as many things in Spanish as possible, and in your case, speaking will matter a lot - much more than to the average person. I think breaking the psychological barrier of speaking will be important, so focus on that as well.

  • @tommyhuffman7499
    @tommyhuffman7499 Рік тому +8

    Excellent explanation and analysis, with deep, personal insights👍

  • @Gigusx
    @Gigusx Рік тому +5

    Good overview!
    Generally, I've seen two ways of looking at CI theory - the original one, which states that the input should be about 95-98% comprehensible, interesting, and that you shouldn't bother looking up words, and the other way that accepts lower comprehensibility and you make up for it by often looking things up. As much as I love the idea of CI, there isn't really a way to implement the original idea as a beginner/intermediate because there is never enough content to allow people to be picky and always have it perfectly match with their current level.
    In my experience at least, and seeing other learners, you can only "properly" implement CI once you're at an advanced level at which point you can consume almost whatever you want (with exceptions, of course), and that's kind of a paradox, because at that point the theory doesn't amount to much as enjoying the language and naturally acquiring it is the only thing left anyway. So the group of learners this should help the most are beginners and intermediates, but for them there usually isn't enough content that's comprehensible and interesting.
    I think this has improved a lot over the years - Dreaming Spanish being one example of people doing an absolutely amazing job to help people learn Spanish through CI, and there are continuously other "comprehensible " content creators appearing, but there's still a long way to go if people are to be learning languages through CI by default. That's why people still need schools, tools like Anki, courses, etc. so they can get to the point where they can start consuming input and eventually increasingly comprehensible input. It's probably not as noticeable for Romance languages as there's really a lot to choose from and learning these should never be a problem, especially if you already know a similar language, but with less common and more distant languages I reckon it's pretty difficult. I've Krashen talk in an interview (about 10 years old?) about how he had a hard time finding CI for Chinese, of all languages...

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому

      All your arguments are very much on point. Unfortunately, it’s not always easy to find CI indeed. But at least comprehensible input is a bit easier to find than compelling one at the early stages. Something’s gotta give 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @Gigusx
      @Gigusx Рік тому +1

      ​@@PolyglotSecrets That's true. Comprehensible input is in any case more important than compelling in the beginning. There's probably some philosophical lesson to be learned here about how one must suffer to get to the next stage :D
      How are you solving this problem when learning Persian?

    • @jantelakoman
      @jantelakoman Рік тому +3

      All very good points.
      People want immediate results and they don't trust their subconscious to do anything for them that they aren't consciously aware of. It takes a lot of trust to set aside the time and wait for the acquisition to work.
      It's for that reason that I did a CI course in a tiny yet expressive conlang of only 120 words, so people can experience the process very quickly. It's 30 videos of 20 minutes each, I'm releasing them on my channel one a day until February 12.

    • @Gigusx
      @Gigusx Рік тому +4

      @@jantelakoman What a cool idea! Congrats (and good luck) on the launch of the course, I'm sure the speakers of this conlang will appreciate your efforts. I was considering doing something similar, maybe for Polish someday. Not a course in a sense of it being structured and contained but a library of CI content for learners, similar to what Dreaming Spanish is doing.

    • @jantelakoman
      @jantelakoman Рік тому +2

      @@Gigusx Cool! It's a lot of work but a joy to hear people having success with it

  • @luisgerardoramirezgallegos5205

    i'm fascinated with your videos, thank you for your amazing tips

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому

      Thank you so much ☺️ I’m glad you enjoy my videos!!

  • @Ballykeith
    @Ballykeith Рік тому +3

    Whilst I'm commited to the primacy of CI, now that I'm learning a language which is not Indo-European for the first time (Tagalog), I do find that I particularly benefit (and enjoy) some grammar study to elucidate the content of my input. There is an aspect to the grammar that is just so different to what I'm familiar with ('strange') that I find a measured dip into grammar serves as a key to understanding. Something like five parts input to one part grammar works well for me at present. As I progress (if I progress 😏), I should need less grammar input.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +1

      As a fellow grammar lover, I get it. 😉

    • @samaval9920
      @samaval9920 11 місяців тому +1

      @@PolyglotSecretsSome peolple suggest a quick look at Hahasa Indonesia, which they see as simplified version of Tagalog.

    • @theymademepickaname1248
      @theymademepickaname1248 10 місяців тому +1

      I feel the same. For me, studying grammar and vocabulary makes it easier to pick up words and patterns during input. CI purists will tell you it's wrong, but it seems to work for me.

  • @TheRealRaygor
    @TheRealRaygor Рік тому +2

    I'm an English speaker trying to learn your native language (my wife is Bulgarian), and I'm mostly using LingQ to get started. I am definitely learning, but its going to take a long time, Bulgarian is very complicated compared to English.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +2

      Best of luck! It's not an easy language, but I think that your personal connection to Bulgarian will make it much easier for you! 🤩

  • @phoenixknight8837
    @phoenixknight8837 Рік тому +2

    From my own subjective experience, speaking a language with a native speaker gives an opportunity to replicate words and idioms that you have heard or read. Naturally, mistakes will be made which allows the opportunity to be politely corrected. Speaking transfers the comprehensive input into practical use.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +2

      I agree - and the listening part of it can also act as comprehensible input from native speakers. However, I also agree with Krashen that speaking does have a secondary role. I have never been a fan of "speak from day 1."

  • @samaval9920
    @samaval9920 11 місяців тому

    1)There are several
    meanings of comprehension
    A) topics that one knows in one’s 1st language
    B) topic that one can guess or infer infer from body’s& face language, context, etc.
    3) Target language learning text 80% old, 20% new
    Why so many?
    O learning material traits criteria
    A) enjoyable
    B) interesting
    C) useful
    D) compréhensible (3)
    5) Perhaps 1 can also learn, for every topic, passive description,
    indicative mode, 1st2nd 3 rd person and
    5) B) actions.imp arrive condo ional subjunctive? modes, 1st 2 ne persons
    Another describe something &
    tell 1 how to do it?
    Thank you again.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  11 місяців тому

      Can you please rephrase? I'm not sure I understand the question

  • @BumbleBauz
    @BumbleBauz Рік тому +1

    Thanks for another very interesting video. Really great summary of Stephen krashens hypothesis.😊 His approach really changed my language learning. Since I'm applying it to my learning I've made so much progress I can't believe :D I would have never thought I would been able to speak polish that well 🥳 and now I can't wait for acquiring more and more. There is so much to discover in the world of languages 🥰 I simply love it and don't think I will ever stop being curious 😁🤭

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +1

      Good for you, sounds amazing! 🤩

    • @BumbleBauz
      @BumbleBauz Рік тому

      @@PolyglotSecrets Thanks 😊 it's really fun to learn new things. And thanks a lot for your amazing content! 🌸 I'm always learning something new and find new inspiration.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому

      🥹🥹

  • @jantelakoman
    @jantelakoman Рік тому +1

    YES! Spot on!

  • @rozhensky
    @rozhensky Рік тому +4

    It's a great video, but you should fix the sound. A very nice solution is a microphone “Rode”

    • @LaurenAngela_aufDeutsch
      @LaurenAngela_aufDeutsch Рік тому

      I agree!!

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +3

      I also had too much echo in the room this time. I will see what I can do. Thank you for the feedback!

    • @rozhensky
      @rozhensky Рік тому

      @@PolyglotSecrets thank YOU for your fantastic work !)

  • @misscamay
    @misscamay 8 місяців тому

    do you take notes when you are getting comprehensible input? Do you take notes when you are watching a video or reading on your target language? Thanks

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  8 місяців тому +1

      I don't take notes because I don't like it. However, I have nothing against notes! If you like taking notes, go for it. But if you find it unpleasant and if you think it will ruin your learning experience, then don't do it. All about preference here, in my opinion :)

  • @gus7130
    @gus7130 Рік тому +3

    Krashen's hypotheses are fascinating, but taken literally I don't think they're the quickest way to learn a language. I've spent around 2000 hours of comprehensible input in Japanese and the results are nothing to write home about, I understand well enough but other than that hardly anything.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +2

      Interesting. What works better in your opinion?

    • @alvodin6197
      @alvodin6197 Рік тому +1

      Did you speak Japanese or just watch videos? You have to use the language in order to be proficient.

  • @razorrabone4098
    @razorrabone4098 Рік тому

    Stefani thanks for the great video. I have a question, how quickly do you start speaking when learning a new language? Right away or do you focus on input first for a while?

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +2

      I always focus on input first. I am a firm believer in what Krashen calls the silent period. I don't speak until I have the desire to - and I am not a fan of "speaking from day 1" - definitely not my cup of tea.

  • @deutschmitpurple2918
    @deutschmitpurple2918 Рік тому

    Thank you for this video. I have really admired your T- shirt ❤❤🥰🥰

  • @thomasfleck6552
    @thomasfleck6552 Рік тому

    the difference between knowledge and skill... a few days ago i witnessed a typical example: a person who had "learned" spanish at school for a few years had someone on the phone who pretended to understand only spanish. he didn't even try to speak spanish and postponed the call. precious time wasted💁‍♂️ very comprehensive video, again👏

  • @mrsbombardier
    @mrsbombardier Рік тому

    I really love your videos

  • @Daviddaze
    @Daviddaze Рік тому

    Hello, I was browsing Kauffman's channel & saw that his programmer ' Elle' has a channel too. " English LinQ podcast". She programs Steve's channel to 45 languages cc. Hey, where's the familiar locale? The tree, lamp, table, couch, corner room?

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому

      Hey Brian, I have moved. Still wondering what to use as my background at the new place, but I will figure it out along the way. ☺

  • @BillRogers43
    @BillRogers43 Рік тому

    Using Dreaming Spanish application and reading. I meet with a tutor weekly to speak Spanish. Should i stop the sessions and rely on the silent period you describe?

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому

      It depends on a lot of factors. What is your level? How much input have you had? Do you feel speaking sessions are productive? That last one is the most important question actually. If it works for you, stick to it. That applies to anything in language learning. If you're not sure it works, then I need more details to answer.

  • @almonies
    @almonies 11 місяців тому

    I just learned about this yesterday. The only problem with this method is needing another person to be able to learn. Do you know of any other methods to use comprehensible input method where you don't need a native speaker to help you?

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  11 місяців тому +1

      Hi there, you don't need another person to learn with comprehensible input! I really avoid having to rely on other people and their schedules to learn a language. I like to learn using resources like books, movies, music, podcasts etc. I explain that in multiple of my videos. Nothing against learning with other people, but I don't like to do that, as it limits my time.

    • @almonies
      @almonies 11 місяців тому

      @@PolyglotSecrets Thank you, Which video of yours is the best to learn from audio only? I don't know how to set up learning. I have listened to people speak a language and never picked up anything they said that I didn't already know.

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  11 місяців тому

      @@almonies Sure, you can watch this video: How to Practice LISTENING in a Foreign Language // Tips to Improve Listening Comprehension

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  11 місяців тому

      @@almonies Also, this one: Learning a Language through Music // why it's great & step-by-step guide. But this is music-specific only

    • @almonies
      @almonies 11 місяців тому

      @@PolyglotSecrets Ok I'll watch those, Thank you

  • @nolanr1400
    @nolanr1400 Рік тому

    If the input is compréhensible , there's nothing left to learn and it's useless. It's pure logics, right ? Sorry I can't help nitpicking just for the sake of nitpicking 🙄🙄
    I'm now discovering, like you say you did at some point, that krashen's method strictly is what I'm doing actually ! I do it so extremely that I tend not to learn anything or not to learn much because I tend to be too lazy to look up anything. And at some point, I should still look up unknown words, at least those that puzzle me. But I'm not really " learning" english, this explains my laziness, yet your videos have motivated me to work just a little bit so my final input, I mean my acquisition of vocab, should normally crank up slightly. Plus, now I can brag and say that I'm using Krashen's hypothesis, just to show off in society with people that know nothing about languages like me 😂 😂
    This video made me feel how big and important Krashen's ideas are 👍

    • @PolyglotSecrets
      @PolyglotSecrets  Рік тому +2

      Glad to know you like Krashen as well! Regarding your comment about comprehensible input, I think the point is to distinguish between things that are giberrish and we can't understand what they mean (such as listening passively to the radio in Chinese without understanding a word or using "learn in your sleep" programs) and using understandable messages to learn (which can be made understable at least to some extent thanks to visuals, subtitles, body language, context, the knowledge of other words in a sentence etc - meaning we can understand thanks to those crutches, not that we know it all and there's nothing to learn).

    • @nolanr1400
      @nolanr1400 Рік тому

      @@PolyglotSecrets Sure, I was only pointing out the formal contradiction in terms of the expression. But obviously, the context is comprehensible, not the word alone without said context.
      Learn in your sleep.... The dream, literally. Hahaha 😂
      thank you for your detailed answer 😊😊

  • @sandrocosta7310
    @sandrocosta7310 Рік тому +1

    🥰❤

  • @Andunia
    @Andunia Рік тому +1

    Ξθστ wonderful. I am sure that this video will help a lot of people :D

  • @julietta1025
    @julietta1025 Рік тому +1

    Deberías mejor el sonido. El sonido cuando hablas suena raro como si fuera q tu voz rebota por el aire y luego de ahí viene al vídeo..Tu voz se escucha muy lejano y también a bajo volúmen.Deberías mejorar para q suene más limpio y directo y sin sonido de fuera.
    Deberías ver q haces mal al grabar
    O de seguro no tienes micrófono propio o tal vez si es q lo tienes deberías de comprar otro mejor
    O cambiarte de la hbitacion en donde te encuentras
    Tu voz rebota, tiene mucho eco...no tiene sonido limpio. Es molestoso y aturde el sonido por eso yo nunca llego a ver completo tus vídeos ..

  • @brolol3136
    @brolol3136 7 місяців тому

    Whoah there, linguistic comrade! 🫡🌟💯
    Thanks so much for your insights 😊
    Have a swell day out there ✨🌹✨