100% agree with your review. I’ve been enjoying the Pantera’s for many years now. It’s one of my favorite model lines and is a criminally underrated, under-hyped and under-marketed trenching machine. Cheers!
@@Drift-Products Any major differences in how the 23-24 vs 24-25 ride? You mention a slightly different shape and possibly some milling of the core in spots.
So glad to see a good review of this board. There's definitely not enough info out there about them. What are your thoughts on this vs. the Endeavor Alpha?
Thanks really. My snowboarding life is cambered Nitros. First crazy Naturals 159 of '99, then the board of my life Supernaturals 163, still rocking even damaged, then Torque 164 the beast, Slash 171 s shape, a magic carpet in powder, an used Shogun 169 now feeling a bit hard aging, but all still with me (except Naturals). I want the Pantera, I need the prigressive sidecut and the full camber. In my 57 I was dreaming abou it but at 90kg, 198 lbs specs tell not 163 (65-85), maybe 166 wide, but I wear US9 boots... Even if for lay down carve width is precious... So should I go for the 166 Wide? Last thing it seems a bit grey, not black... Btw, tried Stranda Shorty 169 with big rockered tip flapping in the tracks, I don't like this trend; apart from the rocky Torque if you apply pressure in powder also a cambered board slightly flexes up and creates a rocker... I also use a nice Furberg Freeride 165, rocker-camber-rocker, great passing from tracks to powder, but carving it doesn't give me the emotions of a cambered and progressive shape...
Hello, nice review 👍 A question on widths. I watched your review of the Amplid Surfari 161, you wished for a bit more width, maybe 1 cm. The Surfari is 264 wide. During this review you said the width on this 160 Pantera was plenty of board for you, even though you might prefer the wider version. The 2024 160 Pantera is 255 wide, almost one cm narrower than the 161 Surfari. Maybe the 2025 Pantera is wider as you alluded to? Size 10.5 boot, would you go the wide Pantera?
Good catch. The 2025 Pantera 160 is a little wider than the 2024 but it's still pretty narrow. It's too narrow for me to get very deep on the carves. Basically, 25.5 is kind of my absolute bottom for how narrow I'm willing to ride but I'd much rather be in the 26.5-27.5 zone depending on the board. If a board is focused on carving or powder, I'd like it to be around 27.5-28.5. But I ride a lot of boards that are narrower than that because that's what is out there. I think with a 10.5 you get to choose based on your preference. If you want the board a little quicker edge to edge, stay with the normal width. If you want to really lay down some deep carves, maybe go with the wide. 10.5 is kind of right at that border. if I get the new Pantera, I'd for sure go wide with my 11.5s.
@Drift-Products thanks for such a comprehensive response. I'm after a carver and laying it over will be its job, so even at 10.5 I'd go wide. I ride an Amplid Dada a lot at 275 waist and the width is fine for me
How does it compare to nitro team/ nitro team pro? I'm considering transitioning from nitro team to this one, because nitro team gets kinda unstable at high speed carving, is it worth the upgrade?
The team and team pro are more all-mountain freestyle, maybe a little more versatile if you want to be doing tricks and hitting the park. This has way more camber, a bit stiffer and pretty focused on carving and charging hard. If go hard and aren't worried about the park as much, the Pantera is rad.
@@Drift-Products I don't really do park, only into carving and maybe some pow from time to time. Any idea how this compares to the 24/25 model? Was wondering should i look the older model, considering it can be quite a way cheaper than the 2025 model
Hi, thanks for the great content! Been watching all your reviews.. I'm looking for an advanced carving board to ride posi posi (+45 +12) with no boot out (size 9) on the steepest turns, literally no overhang, so really wide boards only.. I'm really looking for the dampest board cause I hate getting chatter in the edges when I'm at high angles, which I do get with my old tranny finder 57 on super hard snow.. Do you have any recommendations? I've narrowed it down to either Cheater 170w, A frame 170w, Pantera 166w, new tranny finder 160 (is it damper then the old one?), or some Never summer DF series.. would you have recommendations? Even outside of these.. thank you soo much for your insight!
Honestly I don't feel very qualified to recommend a board for that purpose, it's not really my jam. But the Pantera would probably be pretty sweet. If it's wide enough for you, the Freecarver 9000 is very impressive. I don't think the new Tranny Finder will make you feel any different.
@@katebosone9805 I've ridden the Jones and it was amazing but I haven't been able to get on it enough to say either way. I do know the Pantera can go as hard as you can push it.
Thanks for the review, is the 2025 better in any way than the 2024 ? I have a 2024 burton custom x camber 158 would this board be better for charging and speed carving than the custom x, thanks
I don’t think the 2025 has much going for it that’s notably better than the 2024. As for the custom x comparison, unfortunately I haven’t ridden that yet. My guess is it’s a pretty similar ride, maybe not quite as much camber.
@@Drift-Products I really liked it, despite not being a very advanced rider. It has ton of camber and is fairly stiff, but I still found it a very smooth and accessible ride. A bit like the Black Snowboard of Death, but even smoother. Or the Aeronaut, but not as poppy.
@@evanjohnson1740 I would just say that because of the camber the Pantera rides a lot longer than the flagship which had a ton of rocker, especially in the nose. So just be prepared for that. Look at the running length and not just the overall length. Alchemist is pretty different honestly. Not as much camber but still very stiff. Less damp than the Pantera. The alchemist has a more modern direction feel while the Pantera reminded me of classic all mountain boards.
Hmm. That's a fun comparison. I'd say the Koruas are more snow surf/carving focused and the Pantera, while awesome at carving, is more of a traditional all mountain flavor. Hope that helps.
100% agree with your review. I’ve been enjoying the Pantera’s for many years now. It’s one of my favorite model lines and is a criminally underrated, under-hyped and under-marketed trenching machine. Cheers!
Thanks! I’m sorry I took so long to get on it.
Finally. Thanks for the showing. I've been waiting for a board like this, to come into my life. Hope the reports continue to be positive.
Get it.
Demo’d it today. This thing is a beast at high speed carves. Also does great in tight trees. Definitely buying it next season.
@@domotime19 getting one for next season also 🏂
The camber in my late 90’s Nitro still has plenty of spring! It has become my rock-board by now but the point is Nitro makes a high quality deck.
Cheers!
Glad you liked it Brig!
Thanks again!
Cool to see straight camber becoming popular again.
Agreed. Everything seems to come back around. In a few years they’ll be pushing full reverse camber and gushing about how fun it is!
Супер! Спасибо за обзор! Сам перешёл с либ тех Трэвис Райс про с гибридным прогибом на фул кэмбер, это супер чувство!
Awesome!
Yes! Can’t wait to get this for next season
Heck ya man it’s a ripper.
@@Drift-Products Any major differences in how the 23-24 vs 24-25 ride? You mention a slightly different shape and possibly some milling of the core in spots.
@@bobbyfalaguerra8480 it is a little different but I think the overall ride is the same. Wouldn’t worry too much.
How would you compare and contrast this with the K2 Alchemist? Especially from all mountain and powder perspectives?
The alchemist is a lot less locked in on edge. And way better in powder. As far as charging and hammering through crud, they’re pretty similar.
Any plans to make a vid on the Mega Merc? Cheers guys loving your content!
If I can get on the Mega Merc, I'll review it. But not sure if/when that'll happen.
So glad to see a good review of this board. There's definitely not enough info out there about them.
What are your thoughts on this vs. the Endeavor Alpha?
Unfortunately haven't tried the Alpha!
@@Drift-Products ah bummer. Appreciate the reply anyway!
Looks like a beast. It's too big for me in the mid west. Gimme that camber!
How much vert do you have? Just go for it!
Thanks really. My snowboarding life is cambered Nitros. First crazy Naturals 159 of '99, then the board of my life Supernaturals 163, still rocking even damaged, then Torque 164 the beast, Slash 171 s shape, a magic carpet in powder, an used Shogun 169 now feeling a bit hard aging, but all still with me (except Naturals).
I want the Pantera, I need the prigressive sidecut and the full camber.
In my 57 I was dreaming abou it but at 90kg, 198 lbs specs tell not 163 (65-85), maybe 166 wide, but I wear US9 boots... Even if for lay down carve width is precious...
So should I go for the 166 Wide?
Last thing it seems a bit grey, not black...
Btw, tried Stranda Shorty 169 with big rockered tip flapping in the tracks, I don't like this trend; apart from the rocky Torque if you apply pressure in powder also a cambered board slightly flexes up and creates a rocker...
I also use a nice Furberg Freeride 165, rocker-camber-rocker, great passing from tracks to powder, but carving it doesn't give me the emotions of a cambered and progressive shape...
I think 163w would be plenty, but it's up to you. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Hello, nice review 👍
A question on widths. I watched your review of the Amplid Surfari 161, you wished for a bit more width, maybe 1 cm. The Surfari is 264 wide.
During this review you said the width on this 160 Pantera was plenty of board for you, even though you might prefer the wider version.
The 2024 160 Pantera is 255 wide, almost one cm narrower than the 161 Surfari. Maybe the 2025 Pantera is wider as you alluded to?
Size 10.5 boot, would you go the wide Pantera?
Good catch. The 2025 Pantera 160 is a little wider than the 2024 but it's still pretty narrow. It's too narrow for me to get very deep on the carves. Basically, 25.5 is kind of my absolute bottom for how narrow I'm willing to ride but I'd much rather be in the 26.5-27.5 zone depending on the board. If a board is focused on carving or powder, I'd like it to be around 27.5-28.5. But I ride a lot of boards that are narrower than that because that's what is out there.
I think with a 10.5 you get to choose based on your preference. If you want the board a little quicker edge to edge, stay with the normal width. If you want to really lay down some deep carves, maybe go with the wide. 10.5 is kind of right at that border. if I get the new Pantera, I'd for sure go wide with my 11.5s.
@Drift-Products thanks for such a comprehensive response. I'm after a carver and laying it over will be its job, so even at 10.5 I'd go wide. I ride an Amplid Dada a lot at 275 waist and the width is fine for me
How does it compare to nitro team/ nitro team pro? I'm considering transitioning from nitro team to this one, because nitro team gets kinda unstable at high speed carving, is it worth the upgrade?
The team and team pro are more all-mountain freestyle, maybe a little more versatile if you want to be doing tricks and hitting the park. This has way more camber, a bit stiffer and pretty focused on carving and charging hard. If go hard and aren't worried about the park as much, the Pantera is rad.
@@Drift-Products I don't really do park, only into carving and maybe some pow from time to time.
Any idea how this compares to the 24/25 model? Was wondering should i look the older model, considering it can be quite a way cheaper than the 2025 model
@@rauliuxaa minor changes. If you can find a good deal, do it.
Hi, thanks for the great content! Been watching all your reviews.. I'm looking for an advanced carving board to ride posi posi (+45 +12) with no boot out (size 9) on the steepest turns, literally no overhang, so really wide boards only.. I'm really looking for the dampest board cause I hate getting chatter in the edges when I'm at high angles, which I do get with my old tranny finder 57 on super hard snow.. Do you have any recommendations? I've narrowed it down to either Cheater 170w, A frame 170w, Pantera 166w, new tranny finder 160 (is it damper then the old one?), or some Never summer DF series.. would you have recommendations? Even outside of these.. thank you soo much for your insight!
Honestly I don't feel very qualified to recommend a board for that purpose, it's not really my jam. But the Pantera would probably be pretty sweet. If it's wide enough for you, the Freecarver 9000 is very impressive. I don't think the new Tranny Finder will make you feel any different.
@@Drift-Products thanks for the reply! Have you been on the Jones? Would you call the pantera damper than the freecarver 9000?
@@katebosone9805 I've ridden the Jones and it was amazing but I haven't been able to get on it enough to say either way. I do know the Pantera can go as hard as you can push it.
Thanks for the review, is the 2025 better in any way than the 2024 ? I have a 2024 burton custom x camber 158 would this board be better for charging and speed carving than the custom x, thanks
I don’t think the 2025 has much going for it that’s notably better than the 2024. As for the custom x comparison, unfortunately I haven’t ridden that yet. My guess is it’s a pretty similar ride, maybe not quite as much camber.
Custom X is a twin.
No, it's directional.
What's that pink Amplid?
The Snomellier. Awesome powder board. Review coming soon. :)
speaking of toms of camber: have you tried the Arbor Candle Rain?
Unfortunalty not yet.
@@Drift-Products I really liked it, despite not being a very advanced rider. It has ton of camber and is fairly stiff, but I still found it a very smooth and accessible ride. A bit like the Black Snowboard of Death, but even smoother. Or the Aeronaut, but not as poppy.
I’ll have to get on it for sure. Love those other boards.
@@Drift-Products would love to hear your take!
I'm 6'2 220lb and size 11 boots. Should i get the 163w or 166w? I ride a 163w berzerker.
You could probably go either way but I bet the 163 is enough. I'd probably stay with the 160w myself.
Angry reccomended the 166w, I ride a 165w flagship as well and love the stability of that board. How did this compare to the alchemist?
@@evanjohnson1740 I would just say that because of the camber the Pantera rides a lot longer than the flagship which had a ton of rocker, especially in the nose. So just be prepared for that. Look at the running length and not just the overall length. Alchemist is pretty different honestly. Not as much camber but still very stiff. Less damp than the Pantera. The alchemist has a more modern direction feel while the Pantera reminded me of classic all mountain boards.
This beast seems to be wanting riding you instead of you riding it if your legs are not strong enough when bombing 😱😱😱…do you agree ?
You don’t have to bomb on it, you can ride it slower for sure. But it definitely wants to be ridden with intention, not casual.
Why don’t you own it?
Because it’s a 2025 board and it’s not for sale yet! They loaned it to me for a long term test but it’s next year’s board.
@@Drift-Products Gotcha! Seriously considering this whip. I’m 5’10”, 210 lbs and not sure about sizing. Any recommendations? Thanks bro
Boot size? I'd just follow their size chart. I'd like to go one size up to the 163w for my 11.5 boot and 185 pounds.
Size 10 Ride Insano boot. I’m on the fence between choosing the Pantera, Cafe Racer Plus or Cafe Racer. Thanks very much for your insight. Cheers!
Hmm. That's a fun comparison. I'd say the Koruas are more snow surf/carving focused and the Pantera, while awesome at carving, is more of a traditional all mountain flavor. Hope that helps.