This JToH tower trend needs to stop.

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  • @GreenyFE2
    @GreenyFE2 3 роки тому +286

    basically, if JonathanGD made a tower

    • @Logan_ISL
      @Logan_ISL  3 роки тому +65

      TRUEEEE

    • @tcrbx
      @tcrbx 3 роки тому +10

      truer words have never been spoken

    • @roballroball7180
      @roballroball7180 3 роки тому +29

      Imagine the Tower is Insane, the final stretch is cata and the last jump is malicious

    • @carbonatedmilk123
      @carbonatedmilk123 3 роки тому +9

      @@roballroball7180 but why is that so true

    • @1maxiuns
      @1maxiuns 3 роки тому +2

      tru

  • @whengaming9999
    @whengaming9999 3 роки тому +190

    JToH took “Psychologically unsafe towers” way too far.

    • @klesslol9055
      @klesslol9055 3 роки тому +1

      @srirachasauce lol true, especially for the tower in later rings. (im joking dont actually)

    • @watercup7766
      @watercup7766 2 роки тому +5

      The name is true

    • @BritishMoron
      @BritishMoron 2 роки тому +21

      And it became “physically unsafe towers”

    • @galaxite3789
      @galaxite3789 2 роки тому +1

      @@BritishMoron I thought the same lol

    • @entitypolyhedron
      @entitypolyhedron Рік тому +3

      Not even psychological anymore

  • @fliffy4580
    @fliffy4580 3 роки тому +223

    This is so true, what does a final outside even add to the tower besides an anxiety attack and a half? It sucks that this game is causing you heart problems, I hope you're doing well.

    • @shinyprisma6085
      @shinyprisma6085 3 роки тому +1

      yes i big agree

    • @masternick4361
      @masternick4361 3 роки тому +21

      Don't force yourself to play it then if your having anxiety and heart issues

    • @exotic1405
      @exotic1405 3 роки тому +2

      @@shinyprisma6085 bro then just add a portal sign

    • @exotic1405
      @exotic1405 3 роки тому +1

      @@shinyprisma6085 no but your complaining about it so I'm proposing a solution to stop your wining

    • @shinyprisma6085
      @shinyprisma6085 3 роки тому +8

      ​@@exotic1405 ok so I'm whining now? you know what? I'm just going to delete my comments and leave, I was giving criticism, not complaining.

  • @Ademiere
    @Ademiere 3 роки тому +265

    i thought it was the "you have to beat tons" thing lol

  • @maxwellbartlett3870
    @maxwellbartlett3870 3 роки тому +152

    I’ll never forget the day in the discord server when we found out you were hospitalized. It was really scary to see and I never heard from it again so I’m glad that you’re still ok

    • @Joopitah
      @Joopitah 3 роки тому +7

    • @yocoloco532
      @yocoloco532 3 роки тому +1

      I feel bad

    • @yotokil2914
      @yotokil2914 3 роки тому

      @EGG he got hospitalized for heart issues

    • @dizzy_jump
      @dizzy_jump 2 роки тому +9

      logan literally got hospitalized for some stud arrangements in a kid’s lego game? they’re taking “life-ending towers” a bit too far

    • @hiamrandomhuman5931
      @hiamrandomhuman5931 2 роки тому

      @@dizzy_jump they weren’t joking, Lego game almost kills a man

  • @addisonjudah
    @addisonjudah 3 роки тому +54

    TBH i kinda agree and don't agree at the same time. Final stretches are a great way to build up intensity and stress, but they ARE being overused. In the right way, a final stretch can be super scary and good, like in ToBT or ToTL. but it shouldn't be done for every tower, only a few. You might have made this quickly but a good video nonetheless

    • @thatmagichatguy8761
      @thatmagichatguy8761 3 роки тому +11

      He said that some towers are fine to have this as long as it is reasonable or the name points it out (like ToCP)

    • @BobJones-ru7fc
      @BobJones-ru7fc Рік тому

      No they are not bro all of my towers have them it’s his fualt he has fricking cancer like final stretches are cool

    • @Frank-jg7yv
      @Frank-jg7yv Рік тому

      Yeah bro shut up and stop being such a crap hole like final stretches help the game

    • @davigabriel-ig7ro
      @davigabriel-ig7ro 9 місяців тому +4

      @@BobJones-ru7fc bruh, stop commenting without any type of reason as showed on the video, he is making his own opinion. I know that there are so much people that may disagree, but, dont be that rude, make an a nicer comment, and cancer is NOT an a joke.

    • @blayzejYT
      @blayzejYT 5 місяців тому

      @@BobJones-ru7fcwhat is wrong with you

  • @Cryztalyzed
    @Cryztalyzed 3 роки тому +24

    In my opinion, it fits in cata towers because they’re cata.
    In towers that are extreme or below it can sometimes work.
    In insane and below I don’t really think it’d work unless the whole tower is punishing (for example ToCA).
    Overall great video.

    • @dizzy_jump
      @dizzy_jump 2 роки тому +13

      well i mean if a tower is as punishing as toca then that basically makes like half of the tower as a whole a final sretch

  • @YeetusTanghulu
    @YeetusTanghulu 3 роки тому +13

    i totally agree even though i dont have health issues personally, it's just demotivating and frustrating in general

  • @gammonsfamily4142
    @gammonsfamily4142 2 роки тому +7

    Honestly, I agree. I have bad nerve control which means I can't control my nervousness. So during final stretches on the end of very challenging towers, and possibly lag, I'll have a pretty bad time on that.

  • @Shtiefan
    @Shtiefan 3 роки тому +13

    In my opinion, final outsides are okay for terrifying+ towers, cause they are meant to be hard, but if the tower is extreme difficulty or lower and if you really want to make a final outside, then make it last a minute at most

    • @terbogoodgame
      @terbogoodgame 2 роки тому +11

      Final outsides are also good for towers which are significantly short. A tower with the length of, say, ToTL, makes sense, or steeples, or even PTTT:2 towers.

  • @kermiekermie333
    @kermiekermie333 3 роки тому +8

    yeah, as someone with multiple anxiety disorders endings like those freak me out a lot. I have to take a short break after like every jump because i get very close to anxiety attacks very easily. its not fun because it makes my hands very shaky which of course makes me more likely to fall, which leads to me getting more nervous and it is just an endless cycle. it makes it really difficult to progress in jtoh because even during practice i tend to get nervous for no reason. I just cant really do that kind of stuff.

  • @xxDuzeRxx
    @xxDuzeRxx 3 роки тому +25

    you know its a problem when OVER half of ring 9 towers have a final outside and most of them are basically massive fuck you to the player and often ruins the whole tower(ex:ToQT becoming tedious after failing f10 outside) I get that shit like ToCP are better off with having a final outside but in general when I see a "final stretch!!!! you are so close!!!!" or floor 10 outsides in general I just think about when can I stop suffering from this atrocity that is completely unnecessary and adds nothing to the experience but pain and annoyance

    • @dizzy_jump
      @dizzy_jump 2 роки тому

      this used to be bad and old
      here is every ring 9 tower that will end or severely hurt your run if you fail its final jump
      1. toqt (massive outside)
      2. tobbb (easy jump, but outside)
      3. col (regular outside and funny jump)
      4. tobt (ahem...)
      5. toca (no, the second half of the tower is not a final stretch nor is it outside, but it has an actual final stretch anyway so who cares
      6. tofact (outside)
      7. tobk (outside)
      8. tons (tons of outsides on 10, including *that* one)
      (get it? _tons_ of outsides?)
      (shut up i'm hilarious)
      9. toam (small and easy outside, but outside nonetheless. also too far away from the rest of the tower for you to catch yourself
      10. tocr (final flick)
      11. tocp (massive outside)
      and the ones that dont?
      1. togo
      2. topp
      3. toha

    • @rythic.
      @rythic. 2 роки тому +1

      Says the guy who made totrp
      (just joke don’t hurt me :c)

    • @pis322
      @pis322 Рік тому

      ​@@dizzy_jumpfailing ToCR truss flick ends your run (you get teleported into an instakill sphere)

    • @dizzy_jump
      @dizzy_jump Рік тому

      @@pis322 updated

  • @glxycorn
    @glxycorn 3 роки тому +43

    builders: alright, let's do a toso for f1 - f9 and make the final floor an inside section

  • @andresruiz9610
    @andresruiz9610 3 роки тому +10

    Dang, now because of your issues, ive always wanted to make a tower based on having alot of nets and quick gameplay then a finale. But i dont want you having a heart attack due to a single finale. I fully agree with what you say

  • @sp00kypumpk1n
    @sp00kypumpk1n 2 роки тому +3

    thank you for talking about final outsides...
    i have had so much trouble because of these.
    i failed the final outside of ToHA 6 times
    i failed the 3rd to last jump of ToBT
    etc...
    its been a huge problem for me and has been causing me a lot of stress and sadness

    • @minecesar0879
      @minecesar0879 Рік тому

      Tbh it's pretty normal to fail toha and tobt final stretches alot of times, personally probably failed toha 7 and 8 like 10 times in total

    • @Lxmitless7
      @Lxmitless7 8 місяців тому

      people complaining about jtoh stress and anxiety after realizing they can stop playing the game:

    • @sp00kypumpk1n
      @sp00kypumpk1n 8 місяців тому

      @@Lxmitless7 i stopped playing jtoh a while ago so now i'm chilling

  • @nyanshadow4491
    @nyanshadow4491 3 роки тому +2

    i totally agree with this sentiment! i'm someone with anxiety that's pretty highstrung and prone to overstimulation, and absolutely despise stressful outside sections (near the end). when it's do or die, my hands get really sweaty, i can barely focus (battling overstimulation), i shake, my heartrate goes up... and i'll fall -- even on jumps i don't normally fall on. my automatic reaction when under immense stress is to rush (often without thinking); to run away from the source of stress or try to get it over with faster. it's really an awful experience when this happens and makes certain towers traumatizing for me. ugh, just thinking about it makes me feel anxious -- really hope this trend ends.

  • @owaloid9995
    @owaloid9995 3 роки тому +6

    I completely agree with those final stretches only being good as a counteract to the tower being short/safety netted and not just because. Even if it does not go away, it would be nice to see the just-to-be-mean stretches turned into something like ToRNI's final stretch, which teleports you back to the start of 10, just with a bit tweaked teleport positions.

  • @SolarOddity143
    @SolarOddity143 3 роки тому +5

    I definitely agree with this video. Final outsides can have good reasons for existing but putting them in towers like ToQT for example is just redundant and stupid.

  • @klesslol9055
    @klesslol9055 3 роки тому +22

    In my opinion final outsides on hard towers are reasonable because, well. they're hard. But whenever you see almost a full RING with these final outsides, it starts to get super annoying and dumb. Like, I get that ToCP, ToNS, and ToBT need a final outside, but whenever literally everyone wants to make an actual good tower but then ruin it with this dumb and annoying outside, it becomes a struggle for people to make progress, just like Logan_ISL. Personally, whenever I beat CoLS, I actually got a little light headed because of my nerves. And that was a MID-INTENSE. Honestly I feel like if this trend keeps going with towers and becomes more popular, it could spread to JToH Fangames as well, and even possibly making some towers DEADLY because of a FINAL OUTSIDE.
    If you're lazy and dont want to read everything above, i'll sum it up for you: basically if the final outside trend keeps going it could become more popular and spread to JToH fangames, while also making some towers deadly due to the sheer stress of some people.

    • @ItsMid_YT
      @ItsMid_YT 2 роки тому +1

      Get to the point. JToH SCs and Rems are fu ked up.

    • @davigabriel-ig7ro
      @davigabriel-ig7ro 9 місяців тому

      I readed it all, i kinda agree so.

  • @key_after_key
    @key_after_key 3 роки тому +18

    Every tower with a long final outside gets us closer and closer to ToRRA

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому +4

      each tower with a really long final jump gets us closer and closer to torra

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому

      tobt intensifies

    • @shinyprisma6085
      @shinyprisma6085 3 роки тому

      havent heard of ToRRA lol

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому

      @@shinyprisma6085 ruthless royal architecture

    • @user-qx1ui8wz3o
      @user-qx1ui8wz3o 3 роки тому +9

      @@shinyprisma6085 it’s a tower in which has a 30+ minute final outside

  • @shinyprisma6085
    @shinyprisma6085 3 роки тому +7

    yo logan I relate to your nerve problem, though i don't have any heart issues (as far as i know) i get REALLY nervous easily (its a genetic thing) and I shake A LOT. I'm not even very far into JToH (last floor of ToOH is my best and ive been following your tutorial) but i still shake a lot. Its been hard for me to play the game and this trend also worries me because my my nerve problem.
    Even though i can get nervous near the end of a tower i still like playing it when the stakes aren't really high, I don't like doing it over and over again if there's a lot to be repeated.
    also someone said "OMG LOGAN PAUL IS IN THE GAME" lol
    edit: i ended up quitting, too nervous to play jtoh lol

    • @77elite9
      @77elite9 Рік тому

      I may be a year late but do you ever plan on returning? I have nervousness levels like you but I pressed on and now have beaten ToSO, one of the most nerve wracking towers ever made and taking breaks during a run really help.

  • @forvelikblox62
    @forvelikblox62 3 роки тому +6

    Why nobody still not noticed the extreme overuse of no-jump sections? (Almost half of Ring 8/9 and Zone 4 towers have it)

    • @Gears_AndGrinds
      @Gears_AndGrinds 3 роки тому +1

      its not dangerous or annoying or anything like that so theres nothing wrong with it

    • @shrimo1038
      @shrimo1038 3 роки тому +2

      Its just like every other COs: spinners, conveyors, ... How is it worth noticing that bad

    • @forvelikblox62
      @forvelikblox62 3 роки тому

      @@Gears_AndGrinds yes its not annoying but its in every tower

  • @dominous1982
    @dominous1982 3 роки тому +6

    I have a problem with sweaty/cold hands, it really increases the chances of me falling. I find outsides fine for the nerves but the longer the outside is the more I have problems. I feel there should be a rating bar of how punishing the tower is and the towers have to get in a range of there difficulty. Honestly I feel the nerves of a tower increase a towers difficulty. ToNS for example is a long tower with dark blue parkour, the length pushes the difficulty up to blue but the stress buffs it again to terrifying.

    • @pietrobruno5734
      @pietrobruno5734 2 роки тому

      Same and i have broken keys sometimes they dont work and make my character move when im not even holding the key

    • @PotatoTheProgrammer
      @PotatoTheProgrammer 8 місяців тому

      tower of cold hands

  • @breakerofgreen434
    @breakerofgreen434 3 роки тому +17

    Seeing this video hurts my soul, it feels like I will never play obbies ever again.

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому +2

      play towers without final outsides (or practice the final outsides)

    • @BeatJToH
      @BeatJToH 3 роки тому

      breka fo grene funny!!!!!111111!!11!

    • @humanl4903
      @humanl4903 3 роки тому +1

      @BreakerOfGreen do easier towers or these soul crushings: TT, ToDC, ToC, ToTB, ToEI, ToHA, ToDT, ToHH, and ToIF. With the exception of ToTB, ToEI, and ToIF having 1 stressful all or nothing jump, the other towers don’t end with outside sections

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому

      @@humanl4903 todc's final jump is all or nothing and so is todt's

    • @humanl4903
      @humanl4903 3 роки тому

      @@elemonade123 oh yeah

  • @theawesomeali8834
    @theawesomeali8834 3 роки тому +2

    dang, I never knew you were hospitalized in the past... also, I agree that final stretches are just too stress inducing, this is just insane...

    • @ILOVESKITS
      @ILOVESKITS 3 роки тому +3

      i feel like the solution that no one is talking about is dont play towers that fuck with your health physically. seems pretty self explanatory to me

    • @AstralSpectre
      @AstralSpectre 3 роки тому

      @@ILOVESKITS I really agree, I'm just looking here from an outsiders perspective, but yeah maybe they should just not play those towers,,

  • @k1ndaconfused4
    @k1ndaconfused4 3 роки тому +22

    Logan: talking about heart problems and random jtoh discussion
    Me: watching him fail f1 CoP 9999 times

  • @starisma4215
    @starisma4215 3 роки тому

    i also have shaking problems whenever i get to a final part of a tower so i feel you there, its so annoying to be at the final part and fall because your shaking was out of your control. it sucks.

  • @ytu8080
    @ytu8080 3 роки тому +2

    Tbh i liked the final stretch outsides before and saw no problem with it. But now with your POV i can see why people hate it now

  • @im_aka
    @im_aka 3 роки тому +3

    I can't pretend to know how it feels to have heart problems and be a Jtoh player. But for me as a regular Jtoh player final outsides when failed can be demotivating as hell. For example, after having two final outside fails on ToBT I have lost all motivation to play the tower. I no longer care or even think about playing the tower because it's not fun for me anymore, it just feels like a pointless rebeat. This is also the case with ToIM. I failed the final outside and while I do play it pretty often, I have lost consistency, and overall motivation. So in other words final outsides suck a lot.

  • @shdgom2983
    @shdgom2983 3 роки тому +1

    Honestly I understand your reasons, when I was on floor 10 on top of the jail of Tower of Confusion, I was shaking and my heart raised higher. I know that isn't like an outside section, but it's still a gbj section like an outside because you have to restart the tower. I hope builders know the anxiety attacks if put in an outside on one of the final floors that makes no sense. It's fine if you choose a different terrifying tower, it would be better for your mental health. I hope you feel well Logan.

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому

      the gbj can be dance clipped out of though

    • @shdgom2983
      @shdgom2983 3 роки тому

      @@elemonade123 patched, you need to corner clip out it now.

    • @minecesar0879
      @minecesar0879 2 роки тому +2

      @@shdgom2983 this didn't age well

  • @d1kgaws12
    @d1kgaws12 Рік тому +2

    As someone with mediocre nerves and GARBAGE stamina, I agree with this, at least for the normal towers and easier SC towers. I will NEVER do ToQT until I reach High Insane difficulty skill AT LEAST. I don’t want to be relaxing with an Intense/Remorseless difficulty tower and BAM. 30 minute final outside with raw difficulty one difficulty above the raw difficulty in the rest of the tower that is hard to sightread AND you need to speedrun cuz a clone is chasing you that instakills you upon touching. Obviously my example is over exaggerated but you get the point. ToQT’s final outside is one of the biggest middle fingers to those with heart issues I’ve seen EVER. It’s not necessary or hard enough to be expected either.
    Unless if the tower is at least Low Terrifying difficulty, punishing final stretches need to meet these requirements to at least not be OBSCENE:
    1. The raw difficulty of the final stretch must be easier than the raw difficulty of the rest of the tower
    2. No significant difficulty spikes, rng parts, or complicated mechanics
    3. No parts that require nigh-wr-level speedrunning
    4. They must be no longer than 30 seconds
    5. Said tower must not be extremely long as a whole

  • @reginaanderson6733
    @reginaanderson6733 3 роки тому +3

    THIS. NEEDS. TO. STOP. seiriously it adds no more difficulty to the tower it just makes it more unforgiving and i always get panicked on late (7-10) outside sections ive never been on before, and having that as the last part, when i start having intense shaking problems and i start breaking under pressure is just not fun at all when you stack that with a fall guarantees a fsll to the beginning of floor one AND any buttons and keys reset is so annoying. it just makes minutes upon minutes of progress go to waste. very unfun.

  • @EyeForgorMyName
    @EyeForgorMyName 3 роки тому +1

    i dont have heart problems, but i feel bad you you, and all people who are handicapped by something. i hope you can stay and play what you love!

  • @rekneps
    @rekneps 3 роки тому +31

    1 second in and i already know what its about

  • @Epicness787
    @Epicness787 3 роки тому +3

    I don’t think final outsides are EVER a good idea, unless it’s something like ToER’s since I honestly think the wraps on the frame are pulled off really well. I don’t think final stretches should be more than 20 seconds long and I don’t think they shouldn’t stretch away from the frame very much.

  • @tunglearning
    @tunglearning 2 роки тому +2

    this is so true, I cant believe you are hospitalized just because of playing this game, now that I understand why the tower type name like mentally traumatizing tower is real

  • @Imanoob5721xtimes
    @Imanoob5721xtimes 3 роки тому +1

    oh my god finally someone points this garbage trend out. HARD TOWERS DON’T NEED A FINAL OUTSIDE THAT IF YOU FAIL YOU’RE DONE. and also i feel bad for you getting hospitalized :( i got hospitalized by my sickness because it got very bad in 2012.

    • @diamondsinsight
      @diamondsinsight 3 роки тому

      I failed near the end of the final outside in tobt

  • @ChaoticJay
    @ChaoticJay 3 роки тому +2

    judging by the title i was expecting you to talk about that stupid difficulty chart trend where you make towers (example: tower of strategic mechanics) into a ToDC format but eh you made a point about the funny outsides

  • @cyronic4261
    @cyronic4261 2 роки тому +2

    While I'm definitely not a fan of a lot of these outsides, and I do think they should stop, I feel like some towers definitely need it, like ToPS, it's a great thing for newer players to help with stress, at least to my knowledge. But towers like ToQT have outsides at the end that are extremely unnecessary, especially when questionable trials already spikes a lot in floors 8-10 as opposed to the earlier floors. So personally, I think the trend should stop, but when it's really necessary to have a punishing outside at the end of a tower, I think it should be there

  • @gdplayer8768
    @gdplayer8768 3 роки тому +6

    If you think about, half of ToCA is basically a final stretch

    • @Greatjay3000
      @Greatjay3000 3 роки тому

      But it’s name is curved accent it’s meant to be punishing. You won’t really be stressed until the later floors not just the early floors where you can catch your self

    • @anori4351
      @anori4351 3 роки тому

      @@Greatjay3000 *accent*

    • @yaoimaster72
      @yaoimaster72 3 роки тому

      yep its supposed to be a steeple but the final stretch is the last 5 floors

    • @Swarps
      @Swarps 3 роки тому

      Not really, just because it's a part you can lose all your progress at doesn't make it a final stretch.

  • @redude08
    @redude08 2 роки тому +1

    Every JToH creator:
    haha heart problems go BRRRRRR

  • @DrHeavenly
    @DrHeavenly 3 роки тому +1

    I completely agree. It's really nerve-racking when my heart rate goes super high at the end of a tower's outside section. Although I do believe some towers are completely in their right to use them, I do think it should be limited on how many towers can have an outside section at the end.

  • @SycipsGD
    @SycipsGD 3 роки тому +10

    What do you think of the recent ban wave regaring checkpoint leaks?

  • @greenbean1421
    @greenbean1421 3 роки тому +5

    yeah i cant relate to this but for someone with heart issues this seems deadly at worst cases

    • @dhien2103
      @dhien2103 2 місяці тому

      Ye like that one fail

  • @Ca1vin_
    @Ca1vin_ 3 роки тому +3

    well they are called *unsafe* towers for a reason
    joke aside though i fully agree with this because unforgiving final outsides suck
    and final outside tons was extremely stressful for me (dont worry tho i didnt fail it lol) also if you do decide to grind tons make sure you practice floor 10 and final outside a LOT so you dont fail them

  • @hyomuhn
    @hyomuhn 3 роки тому +1

    I personally like the thrill of final outsides but I don’t think the final outsides should be a stupidly hard spike which you fail on over and over again, since that ruins the whole feeling of it.

  • @pwoofy
    @pwoofy 3 роки тому +3

    hey, just wanted to say this, hope it’s doing good for you. just remember that you should often take breaks so you dont possibly stress yourself, take care

  • @pigrabbitcrabprc6920
    @pigrabbitcrabprc6920 27 днів тому +1

    Now we have final stretches with nets…

  • @realms7481
    @realms7481 3 роки тому

    i agree with all my heart with this, i remember when my cousin got to final stretch ToBT (he also has health issues) he was shaking so much, when i felt his heartbeat to was really high which was bad for him, i told him I’d do the final stretch for him, so he accepted I feel so bad for you Logan, the entirety of this trend must stop.

    • @realms7481
      @realms7481 3 роки тому

      @Icee only the final stretch, because he couldn’t handle it.

  • @akirimew
    @akirimew 3 роки тому

    I couldn't agree more. I have pretty much the same thing. It's literally insane. I don't have a heart issue BUT I do have extremely high heartrates during the end of some towers. I think this trend does need to stop.

  • @AkaObbies
    @AkaObbies Рік тому +1

    Imo I love them but anyone who is in your position would hate them. It’s crazy that despite this you play JToH and GD both games that literally make heart rates go to 210+ BPM

  • @atomic1176
    @atomic1176 3 роки тому

    I don't have Heart Problems, But I have a dose of Anxiety, And I can relate. I think Final Floor Outside Sections are also not very unnecessary, Its literally just anxiety activator. I don't think there if much we can do now, If we remove the final outside sections of for example, ToCP it would remove the entire image of the tower. I think in the future Tower Builders should consider this, and I think from now on Jukereise should put warning signs for people with certain mental problems.

  • @trayfr
    @trayfr 3 роки тому +1

    if tower creators wanna keep that, i think that they should take in consideration the stress that the player might be experiencing by lowering its raw difficulty

  • @danielgaming6957
    @danielgaming6957 3 роки тому +1

    Although i see where you are coming from, this game is meant to be painful and punishing. This is JTOH a game supposed to be one of the hardest games of roblox so having a long f10 outside sounds very logical from a difficulty point of view. I do think tower creators need to think about people with heart issues to make this game playable for everyone.
    Edit: i have terrible shaking problems aswell, took a 15 min break bc my shaking was THAT BAD.

  • @The_Deep_Blue
    @The_Deep_Blue 2 роки тому

    came back to this video when considerring doing ToQT, i saw the absolutely MASSIVE outside section that was longer than the floor itself and i instantly decided to not do it

  • @elemonade123
    @elemonade123 3 роки тому +1

    they add final outsides (sometimes) because the inside gameplay is way too easy so they need to add something that makes the tower its intended difficulty

  • @airmand7718
    @airmand7718 3 місяці тому +4

    I personally believe that a final JUMP is the best way to do it. Similar to CoLS and CoWS having the final long jump, it adds stress without being too annoying.

  • @SkiingIsLife1009
    @SkiingIsLife1009 3 роки тому +6

    Everyone thought it was the “you have to beat tons” thing didnt they even me

  • @bop7157
    @bop7157 3 роки тому +2

    the towers in ring 9 that doesnt have floor 10 outsides are:
    ToGO
    ToBBB
    ToPP
    ToHA
    and ToCR
    i dont count final outsides that have only 1 jump like tobbb but its sad to see literally only 2 scs in ring 9 have no outsides at the end it only destroys the enjoyment of the tower once you fail a final outside

    • @the_real_skateboard
      @the_real_skateboard 3 роки тому

      ToCR does have that lil “final jump” scary thingo. Those truss jumps CAN be tfs, but its just a short sect

  • @Tulingini
    @Tulingini Місяць тому

    the legacy event: hello
    ok yeah the biggest problem for me atm is that literally ToG, ToMD, and ToTU all suffer the same things as the towers you were saying, and as a lower-skilled player, it can not be fun and that has ruined the experience for me.

  • @Bikeraq
    @Bikeraq 3 роки тому +3

    ToFaCT ToNS ToBT ToQT ToCR ToCA ToBK ToCP ToAM (i think) and maybe CoL but I haven’t seen it at all. That’s a crap ton of towers with punishing outsides at the end and ToCA starts at like floor 5 or 6 before you die if you fail

    • @cantthinkofaname1741
      @cantthinkofaname1741 3 роки тому

      Yeah CoL does have a final outside, but you don’t lose everything if you fail it

    • @Stryktho
      @Stryktho 3 роки тому

      i hate the ToBT final stretch and last jump

  • @brug6110
    @brug6110 3 роки тому +1

    dont forget tons final stretch
    its funny cause this is an issue in a ton of whitelist towers (that and bossfights)
    final stretches usually have another floors worth of jumps so basically its an excuse to make an 11th floor

    • @Swarps
      @Swarps 3 роки тому

      He didn't forget the ToNS final stretch. And there's nothing wrong with that one either.

  • @Sorbg
    @Sorbg 3 роки тому +6

    *ToRRA sweating in the distance*

    • @dizzy_jump
      @dizzy_jump 3 роки тому

      But it has a good reason

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому

      @@dizzy_jump its almost cata thats why

    • @dizzy_jump
      @dizzy_jump 3 роки тому

      @@elemonade123 i thought it WAS cata
      anyway. my reason was because the inside is like 100% safety net so like

  • @CompactDecisions
    @CompactDecisions 3 роки тому

    Personally, I agree, all your dumb final stretch things can just be put on top of the frame and you'll be able to catch yourself. I failed ToTL outside 4 times and had to restart (except one where i failed the winpad because im horrible at small studs and caught myself on f7). An example of a good final outside is ToCR, the last jump (which you die if you fail) hails in comparison to even f6.

  • @Zerge_2008
    @Zerge_2008 3 роки тому +8

    This is true and i stuck out on the final outside of totl after the 10 stud wrap i stayed for like 5 or 6 minutes waiting for my heart to be not nervous and i do have heart issues as well if when my heart is nervous i have chest pain or my heart kind of hearts and those things will both happen. I am doing tofn but even on a final floor either way my heart will be like (BUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUMBUM) if you guys have heart issues i really hope you understand what i am saying here, my body just doesn’t like being nervous at all.

    • @girthatina1238
      @girthatina1238 3 роки тому

      same it happened to me too when i was on cols f15 final jump i can literally hear my heart beat

  • @cheddarcat135
    @cheddarcat135 3 роки тому +1

    these final outsides usually keep me away from the tower

  • @Arkabar
    @Arkabar 3 роки тому +1

    I honestly like this trend because its the final ring and is the most punishing ring. But Its sad to know that some people can't enjoy the towers and even stuff in other games without it possibly causing health problems.

    • @The_Deep_Blue
      @The_Deep_Blue 2 роки тому +1

      in my eyes if you're gonna make a final outside section thats almost 1-2 floors worth of content, if you're going for intense and remorseless at LEAST do what torni does and put you back a decent amount so its not completely unfair towards the player

  • @aquadoesobby9453
    @aquadoesobby9453 3 роки тому

    ikr those outsides are so unfun and just gives u anxiety

  • @ninjaandocean
    @ninjaandocean 3 роки тому +9

    Before i clicked on the video i knew it’d be about floor 10 outside sections lmao

  • @epicgamer-nt9dk
    @epicgamer-nt9dk 3 роки тому +1

    personally i like nerve racking last floor outside sections but i see where your coming from and the only real solution is for zones 5-10 to have some less nerve racking sc towers

  • @waderburn
    @waderburn 3 роки тому

    this caused me so much fucking problems.. this also is in forgotten ridge (tower if increasing stress) is so bad. my pressure is soo high dude

  • @potatosalad4594
    @potatosalad4594 3 роки тому +1

    Thinning layers also has a good reason for final outside.

  • @firehazard7000
    @firehazard7000 3 роки тому

    Outside is one of the worst part in jtoh but outside on the final stretch is too cruel

  • @dylan_gill8718
    @dylan_gill8718 8 місяців тому +1

    bro got caught lackin in CoP 💀💀

  • @Toxxii_
    @Toxxii_ 3 роки тому +2

    Guess ToBT really does cause trauma, jokes asides I entirely agree,

  • @orangeboiii.
    @orangeboiii. 3 роки тому +2

    yeah true when i get to the final outside of a tower my hands shake so much and i feel like i am about to collapse lol

  • @tznshi
    @tznshi 3 роки тому +1

    "A JOE CLIP"
    ok but fr i agree with this 100% it's sort of annoying
    i have the feeling that this trend started because of ToSO but who knows

    • @ibbixyzzy7604
      @ibbixyzzy7604 3 роки тому

      ToTS, ToTL, ToNS, ToIM, and ToFaCT all have final outsides, but they were all made before ToSO i think

  • @undergbombgamer7067
    @undergbombgamer7067 3 роки тому +1

    The final outside on ToTC is so stressful as its still not easy to get there for me. At least I didnt fail there or I would have been so mad. my heart was beating so fast.

    • @ponponto9991
      @ponponto9991 3 роки тому +1

      Especially in the tower rush

    • @undergbombgamer7067
      @undergbombgamer7067 3 роки тому +1

      @@ponponto9991 ye

    • @macaroniboi5637
      @macaroniboi5637 2 роки тому

      i fell there recently
      wasnt too bad because i was like low rem skill level but man
      man
      man
      man
      man
      man
      man
      man
      that kinda sucked

    • @Mrgravitycoil
      @Mrgravitycoil Рік тому

      @@ponponto9991 there’s a tower rush in forgotten ridge?

    • @ponponto9991
      @ponponto9991 Рік тому

      @@Mrgravitycoil yes there os

  • @one_guestdream1772
    @one_guestdream1772 3 роки тому +1

    to me final outsides are just literally the bane of my existance, i dont have any heart issues or stuff like that but its just annoying, unnecessary and some of the final outsides feel 1 difficulty higher than the tower itself (i.e. ToQT ):

  • @minecraftandgames6372
    @minecraftandgames6372 2 роки тому +1

    Yeah, I agree with your video. The final stretches(although good in some times like ToBT, ToBK etc;) are kinda overused, and what you said about it being disrespectful kinda sticks with me, the player conquered the rest of the tower. So why should some difficulty spike over an area that will probably end your run if you fall be so common? I admit that some towers it fits good with but it can be harmful to people with health conditions, I went through my world of pain with ToQT and I can't even begin to imagine the pain with towers even harder, longer and more painful.

  • @gourmetbird1483
    @gourmetbird1483 3 роки тому +1

    i haven't watched the *entire* video yet, but I'm just gonna leave my opinion on this
    final outsides are okay, as long as they aren't too long (ToTC) or have too large of a difficulty spike (ToQT)
    there are some better alternatives to them though, like final "challenges" (such as the ToAAA dice)

  • @connorconnor2421
    @connorconnor2421 3 роки тому +1

    1:53 "if you fail them" *fails*

  • @PanTostek
    @PanTostek 3 місяці тому

    Yes. Final outsides are just stupid. You will fail these 90% of the time not because of skill issue or a mistake but actually since you're so far into the tower you don't want to fail it and start all over again and just get nervous. One time I was shaking so hard I had to take a 10 minute break to attempt a few jumps :/.

  • @ashensen_
    @ashensen_ 3 роки тому +1

    i mean, the motto of JTOH is 'heart-clenching and nervous sweating'

    • @jcbrenna
      @jcbrenna 3 роки тому

      Yeah, but it shouldn't affect your physical health.

    • @tsuunamiz3864
      @tsuunamiz3864 3 роки тому +2

      heart clenching? Jtoh can be like that without final outsides. Even if jtoh isnt meant to be free doesnt mean these things should be spammed. Thats like saying “rng is kinda bad so i guess ill spam it because its hard and jtoh is hard!”

    • @ILOVESKITS
      @ILOVESKITS 3 роки тому

      @@jcbrenna but the person in question has the ability to not affect their physical health?

    • @efence4713
      @efence4713 3 роки тому

      @@jcbrenna That’s a pretty small minority though. How far will we stray from making an enjoyable game in order to make a game that everyone can play? For 99/100 people at least physical health isn’t a concern.

    • @efence4713
      @efence4713 3 роки тому

      @Vizierباحاعء tell me the difference between a game made to be extremely heart-clenching and a game made to be extremely heart-stopping. Like I said, part of the experience is the extreme thrill and regardless of how intense it gets health won’t be an issue for most players

  • @Aronh-su9nz
    @Aronh-su9nz 3 роки тому

    I have somthing where I get anxiety on stuff such as glitch wraps and some other jumps and this makes me feel like I can’t beat any tower

  • @Akurazi
    @Akurazi 2 роки тому

    as long as not every sc is gonna use a final stretch outside, i feel like it shouldnt be a issue

  • @dizzy_jump
    @dizzy_jump 2 роки тому

    i personally don’t mind final stretches that much as long as they aren’t ridiculously hard for the difficulty (tobt’s final jump for instance is basically rigged)

  • @headempt.y
    @headempt.y 2 роки тому +1

    Is you heart condition when your heart rate is higher than normal even when resting? I can't really describe it but my friend has the same condition

  • @hydar8149
    @hydar8149 3 роки тому

    i completely agree, i cant even really play the game anymore because when i get passed a PB, i have a panic attack every time. i probably will have to quit the game entirely due to this (although, my situation is a little different)

  • @mfargamer
    @mfargamer 3 роки тому +2

    i had a final outside in my tower but it atleast it has a safety net

  • @red.508
    @red.508 3 роки тому

    i totally agree and understand i have so much anxiety but no health problems its just i stress so much uncontrollably

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому +1

      i get shaky when i pass my pb

  • @zelkhumar1735
    @zelkhumar1735 3 роки тому

    I feel so bad for your heart :( I understand your point!

  • @조용한집-j5j
    @조용한집-j5j 3 роки тому +3

    I hate it When people say "now do tons"

    • @colethepwner5243
      @colethepwner5243 3 роки тому

      You have to beat ToNS

    • @filipfilip1507
      @filipfilip1507 3 роки тому

      Same the ToNS thing is the Among Us jokes of jtoh
      • annoying
      • repetitive
      • unfunny
      • all the same

    • @mfargamer
      @mfargamer 3 роки тому +1

      @@filipfilip1507 yes

    • @ok6647
      @ok6647 3 роки тому

      You have to beat ToNS

    • @조용한집-j5j
      @조용한집-j5j 3 роки тому

      Tons more like your tons of trash now stop

  • @tweet02
    @tweet02 3 роки тому

    final outsides still feel like a joke to me and i get extremely nervous even with no heart conditions

  • @camisonline
    @camisonline 3 роки тому

    Oh, I didn’t know you had that happen. I’m sorry about that. I’m not a very good player, something I’m fine admitting, but I remember playing Floor 10 Tower of Stress and I could hardly do the jumps properly because of how shaky I felt. ToS is a very unnecessarily stressful tower, so i can’t imagine how nerve-racking some of the higher end towers can be. Unfortunately I don’t have any help, but I definitely agree and hope you’re doing okay.

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому

      well u now know why tos is called tower of stress

    • @camisonline
      @camisonline 3 роки тому

      @@elemonade123 True. The difficulty spike on ~Floor 7 makes the rest of the tower a nervous sweat

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому

      @@camisonline well, if you want to get good at tos, try to practice it

    • @elemonade123
      @elemonade123 3 роки тому +1

      what does ToS mean?
      me: terms of service

    • @camisonline
      @camisonline 3 роки тому

      @@elemonade123 I’ve beaten it by now, trying to get R6 access.

  • @Restart124
    @Restart124 3 роки тому

    i mean, it makes sense for really hard towers to have a final outside but seeing them cause issues like this is not good...

  • @billnye8450
    @billnye8450 3 місяці тому

    Only tower that's allowed to have a final stretch is ToUA, as it's a really easy final stretch.

  • @Jayneko
    @Jayneko 3 роки тому +1

    im in a very bad mental state and i sometimes have shaking problems and i understand this and i have problems with some towers too

  • @TheRadElectric
    @TheRadElectric 2 роки тому

    me building a final outside: literally starts making it the safest outside in the entire universe

  • @spear127
    @spear127 3 роки тому +2

    Adding a final stretch is to make u scared. I feel like final stretch are fine because it adds on difficulty. I like adding final stretches because its lik the finale. And its also the builders choice. But sorry about the hospitality and ur heart issues.
    I feeel like i disagree with some of this parts
    And sorry to the people who are going to get mad at me for saying this. Final outsides are great

    • @sourlemon464
      @sourlemon464 3 роки тому

      did you even watch the video

    • @spear127
      @spear127 3 роки тому

      @@sourlemon464 yes