Are You Listening? | Mixing Meets Mastering
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Legendary record producer, mix engineer, and author Sylvia Massy (Tool, System of A Down, Johnny Cash) and iZotope’s Director of Education and professional mastering engineer Jonathan Wyner (David Bowie, Aerosmith) sit down for a special episode of 'Are You Listening?'
Watch as they discuss pain points in the mixing and mastering process and work through innovative ways to solve them in the box with iZotope’s powerful audio tools.
Explore iZotope's Ozone mastering software and download a free 10-day trial today: www.izotope.com/en/products/o...
That's an INSANE dip on the master buss eq. Holy shit.
This is the most helpful, non-ego based discussion on mixing I've ever heard. Thanks Sylvia and Jonathan.
@@patchybeardopinions9340 a little bit of ego is allowed, they have done some stellar work. But nevertheless, they didn't come across as up they're own asses. I personally found that helpful and inciteful. But it also illuminates the fact that Izotope actually DO care about quality music production. For me it's, Izotope, Waves, Plugin Alliance, UAD and Slate, with a smattering of other quality gems that are out there.
by the way, have you ever heard any ego based discussion on mixing on UA-cam?
@@1alexanderkup1 No, are you interested in one?
More like visible sexual tension lmao
@@rohannagarkar608 - 😨🤣
Hey, smart chicks are hot!
I love how the most knowledgable artists and engineers are also extremely humble. Sylvia Massy is a perfect example of this. Respect her deeply!
@Ariel Schlichter agreed. It’s akin to the old adage you hear about how people that have to brag about how much money they have, don’t have shit compared to people with the real money. If I didn’t know who bill gates or warren buffet were, they could walk by me on the street and I wouldn’t know if they were worth $40 or 40 billion. I think these two are both geniuses, and even though she obviously knows everything he is saying to her, she politely listens as though she’s actually learning something new. That is the epitome of humble right there. 👍🏻
There's an exception to every rule. In this case, I might point to Chris Lord-Alge. Arguably one of the finest mix engineers in pop/rock for decades. Yet also arguably a man who is unable to comprehend the idea of humility.
@@michaelweinstein3056 yep I like him but he's definitely ego lvl 1000 😂
12:20 The biggest misconception in mixing/mastering is the idea of leaving headroom in the mix for the mastering. This is where people confuse headroom with dynamic range. The more important issue is the dynamic range...how much did the mix get compressed/limited/etc. This cannot be undone the way headroom can be. Your headroom can be fixed immediately at any stage in 32bit float by turning down your mix. This can be done at the mixing stage or the mastering stage. Lowering your mix by -6db or any other arbitrary number isn't actually doing anything for the mix other than lowering the volume. As long as you are not clipping the mix, the mastering engineer can turn the volume down themselves even if you leave the mix at 0db. So you turning in a mix at -X db does nothing for the mastering engineer. Instead, pay attention to how much your are compressing the tracks and the busses, especially anything on the stereo bus (overall mix). Allowing the mastering engineer to use their own compressors, limiting, room/environment, fresh ears and experience can benefit the final project immensely. However, there is a great point that was also made in the video about applying some of these things to your own mix yourself before mastering to achieve the initial sound you're looking for so that you don't leave too much of the art/decisions to the mastering engineer. So I also believe in adding your own flavors to the overall mix before sending it off. Just don't overdo it to where the mastering engineer has nothing left to compress/limit with their tools/room/technical expertise.
1000x yes! It's really quite simple, but unfortunately not well understood.
Well explained .. Thank you
waaoooh check out the big brain on brad
what in the world are you talkin about?? i was just wondering the other day where you been. i hope all is good and glad your still grindin
True, but I find that the more headroom I have the less I have to limit. That is ultimately better for the mix.
I love this. And she was sooooo humble. No ego detected.
I love how Sylvia isn’t afraid to ask questions. In this field we are always learning. I’m so happy I got into music.
When i started doing AB with reference material often.. It really changed things. Mixes are consistent now and it is kind of hard to fail. It is brutal at first but it is also the fastest way to learn.
I liken it to "tough love". It can be ego destroying, but necessary.
facts!
Actually, I only started doing AB with reference tracks with my last song. And... it was a difference like a day and night.
i’m hitting this point myself too.. and idk if anyone can sympathize with this, but it feels like a bit of a catch22 when things start getting easy.. because now, every single improvement to my skills yields MAYBE a 1-2% return, and the way i’ve learned up to this point has been pretty much online/youtube/reading, and nobody teaches this stuff online past a certain skill level. though, it’s obviously not the end, because i have all the tools i need to keep progressing. my ears, in my monitoring environment, listening to my favorite records. but it’s just such a bittersweet feeling..
It's very comforting that even someone at the top of the game like Sylvia can use some clarification on things like gain structure. And how humble of her to ask such questions. This stuff is hard! even the pros never stop learning.
Stubborn pride and fragile egos everywhere would stop most people from admitting they don't know something. Most would say something wrong and stick to it rather than admit they don't know. She's openly recognising her faults and is willing to address them. That's smart!
I think she knows all this stuff but she is just doing it for the audience. Took the back seat what a legend.
The pic of her on the motorcycle in the studio.. was my project that she produced and sang back ups on. (yes, we revved a live running motorcycle in the studio to capture real sound!) Here's the song Motorcycle Mania: (and yes, the cover art is a painting by Sylvia herself) ua-cam.com/video/kORSVkJ9J0U/v-deo.html
for real ?
Rookie Producer, here. This channel is seriously a God send. Thank you so much for sharing all of this incredibly in-depth information freely with us.
Man, that is one of the most refreshing, honest conversations about mixing, etc. on all of UA-cam (that’s, what, 10 million videos?). I run into the “all tracks recorded at 11” problem all the time. It takes some extra time to set-up an initial gain staging across an entire mix, but I find it’s actually a good way to familiarize myself with each project. Thanks, Izotope!
Sylvia Massy!!
I wish this entire platform was like this. You couldn’t pay for a better education than this.
I like how she took the back seat even though she's a genius
She the GOAT
Big facts
@@StanYouCrazy on the same page
she clearly has no clue how to use commonly used techniques like gain staging and sidechain compression, widening sounds with delay's and other simple tricks actually. sorry to inform you, she may have worked with some genius bands but she probably ruined their songs.
@@DROPNATIONsol Meh...
I love how these two have a really natural flowing conversation
This is a fantastic series, Sylvia is always amazing to get her take on things and hearing them both talk "shop" together and ask questions of eachother is something you normally don't hear! Thank you izotope, makes me want to get the mastering suite!! I have Nector 3 and love it!!!
Thanks so much for this. It's a pleasure to hear pros explaining things with such clarity. Good comments as well. Good job on the video itself -- very nice camera, lighting, sound, edit. :-)
Another superb one to one conversation with real world talent
This ‘Are You Listening’ series just gets better and better! Thank you 🙏
Thanks all around. To Sylvia for being so open. To Izotope for making this happen. Overall great video about the hands-on implications of mixing and mastering from the mixer's perspective.
This was a great video. I love the insights of two people that love their craft and never stop learning.
Very classy interview - it’s so easy to follow a discussion when egos are checked at the door and there is just a calm, intelligent exploration of the subject at hand. Thank you so much to both of you.
Thank you Sylvia and Jonathan. I have been doing this since 1982 and I learn something new everyday...the concepts are limitless which generate such imagination. thank you for the inspirations.
I want Silvia Massy on a record in my lifetime! Not enough women producer/engineer's! Great video!
That was absolutely incredible. Thank you.
Great Conversation. I could listen to her for hours. For me Sylvia is by far the most inspiring person in the music industry. A great engineer and such a humble and down to earth person.
I love these videos so much! Really great work everyone and keep them coming please!!!
Great video! You can really learn something out of every video you upload! Loving it
Thoroughly enjoyed this educational session. The experience of learning "alongside" a legend like Sylvia Massey made it special.
Wyner you are a boss!!. You know your work!!.very great feedback you input👍
loved this series and this particular video was super helpful
This was one of the most helpful episodes so far, Sylvia's great! :) thank you both!
Great video, you both are amazing ! Such a pleasure to listen a conversation of this level ! thanks !
I am grateful for both of you sharing these precious insights into the art. Lots of love.
Thanks to iZotope!!!
This is absolutely fascinating. I know next to nothing about mixing and mastering, but I did just buy the iZotope Music Production 3 and Creative Suite 2 software bundles and I am going through all the Groove3 Tutorials before I begin using any of this. These UA-cams you put out with great people like Sylvia Massy (I just subscribed to her channel) are really great for someone like me who is trying to learn as much as he can. And, hey, if I can learn something (and I am a disabled Vietnam veteran) then anyone of you out there can certainly learn a lot. Thanks for posting this. Cheers.
Incredible valuable information for free. Thank you for that.
Love your honesty Jonathan!
this was so amazing. Seeing them pick each others mind answered so many questions.
Excellent interview with a wonderful, knowledgeable guest. Thank you!
Great discussion and eye-opening in places. Thank you!
Wonderful discourse. Thank you.
Fantastic video. Thank you both so much.
So many different ways of how to mix and set your gain structure.. thanks for this video!
Loved this conversation! 👍🏻😊🎶🎵❤️🔊
these are 2 people I definitely respect. Listening to them talk is great, no egos at all.
Trust me there is an ego there
INCREDIBLE. one of the best music channels in UA-cam
This is the most I’ve learnt from any UA-cam video. Very nice thanks
Great informative convo between these two cool people👍🏾. It displays the contrast of the mixing and mastering mindset very well
Sylvia Massy is delightful. Awesome stuff.
Sylvia asked some great questions & they really helped me understand the confusion around headroom & where to start a mix level wise! Thanks for sharing the knowledge, everything from Jonathan is very informative & helpful. =)
This was so informative. Thank you so much.
I'm actually surprised Silvia didn't understand "gain staging" it's nice to hear her be vulnerable and ask questions basic or advanced for the pursuit of understanding.
ASHLAND OR ! Oh hells, makes me smile. I owned a house in Grants Pass with the idea of retiring from El Lay up to there back in the day. Now here I am in the Wasatch foothills of Utah. What a long strange trip...Anyway, this is one of THE most useful vids I have ever viewed. Thanks, you two.
Illuminating! Thank you for this...
Another Great video , thank you so much...waiting for more
Excellent video. Both engineers are very good and have a great deal of experience.. My production experience has shown me that if you are going to master your own mix, get away from the mix and do not listen to it for at least 2 to 4 weeks. Then you will have fresh ears to start mastering. Ozone 9 is a great starting place.
Thanks for this video. I learned a lot today.
great, informative video! Thank you!
Great video! Love the interview!!!
Great video!!! Thank you so much
I learned some of what I do is effective (right) and some others that I will employ from now on. Great conversation. Sylvia is brilliant, and an icon to me. Good times.
This is remarkably well presented!
I know this video is old, but I never thought a plugin company would have this quality of a series. What a great find, and a great interview.
This is such a great discussion.
This was really good, very insightful and detailed
Very cool and interesting episode, thanks for sharing this stuff with us "mortal" mix & mastering people ;) !!!
This was amazingly fascinating.
Another good one.. tnx 4 tips...
Very interesting discussion! Thank you!
Great interview.
awesome. Simply awesome.
Thxx keep them coming
This is great. Thanks! 🎶
More of these. Very interesting.
This is great !
just starting the video...and oh wow Oregon is so cool.
Very helpful video !
Such a cozy vibe in this knowledge based ping-pong between these two proffesionals, who are of their own respective arts as proffesional as can be.
Man this is some gorgeous dialog, great location sound recording!
Um, the interview was filmed in a control room.
U ear that. She went back 3 times! Sometimes u have to go back and fine tune adjustment when you think its proper. Love the fact that she went back and was not lasy too say oh yea that can work. Good job Sylvia.👍
I work in Cakewalk and I find too that most projects are too hot right from the start. I bring all my gains to -18db right off to avoid any clipping. It's been working very well for me and has improved my mixes drastically.
Great video!
I’m curious if you, Sylvia, as the mixer, have used clip gain envelope adjustments as a way to set levels on your tracks before applying inserts and sends. I just started using it in the new Studio One 5 rollout and I have to say, I’m a huge fan of this way of bringing up or pulling down source signals, that once leveled, lets me head into the final mix with way fewer plugins trying to “fix” my mix. It allows me to bring the source signal in through our interfaces and outboard gear at a lower level with less risk of square-wave clipping and then being able to push the level up just under a level that would prove destructive and get some awesome saturation. I love the fact that this can be undone if at some point it’s determined that the mix got off on the wrong foot.
I had to pause this and learn more about her. I'm back now.
Great incites!
Very, very interesting and educational..
Thank you for the excellent tutorial. It was helpful in many ways.
The only detail that surprised me was worrying about the volume or even the clipping. The 32-bit float audio signal already has more than 700 dB headroom. And many DAWs mix at 64-bit. If you add 100 dB gain to a file, and the mastering engineer removes 100 dB, and you repeat this ten times for a reason let’s ignore now, you’ll get back the same audio. Without artifacts. Clipping becomes an issue only when you export it to 16 or 24 bit PCM, and it’s above 0 dB. (And, of course, it can be an issue on analog gear.)
On the other hand, I’ve heard it from random sources that many plugins, especially compressors, sound the best at about -18 dBFS as they model analog gear that wasn’t linear. I don’t know whether it’s true and if it is, how common it is.
In my latest project, which was also my first track ever, I set all the buses near to -18 dBFS, because why not, but the individual tracks were usually normalized or only a little bit below 0.
It would be great to learn more about this.
The hints about how to EQ were inspiring and super helpful just like the part about the tonal balance.
Respect the mix and its your job to make the observations then to help. YES
Thanks for making this an amazing experience for people who are not as experienced as you guys are. Professionals lowering the level for people like us, gives me hopes on the stage of humanity at this moment ! XD
love this
2 great people had great discussion with a lot of ess :))
This channel is very serious. It's so serious, I've now turned on the bell to get all notifications. Sorry for not doing this sooner.
Perfect Explanation -- You Just Have to Listen; Just Like Leonardo DaVinci; You Must Pay Close attention to your Frequencies..
This was great
Great video
What a fabulous video. Grateful these topics are being explored so accessibly. Thank you!
Jonathan's t shirt is AWESOME
I did a masterclass with sylvia, nice person and inspiring sound engineer!
Pretty obvious that they are dumbing it down for educational purposes. Sylvia knows her stuff. She could explain synthesis, audio-electronics and advanced recording tricks in her sleep. Are you telling me she doesn’t understand digital gain structure and basic concepts such as floating point, headroom, dynamic range and gain staging ITB? I don’t think so. 😉
pretty obvious she isn't desperate to prove anything. just teach
100% Finally a logical comment lol.
Right, side chain compression is explained with a compressed with a side chain out put. She knows about it.
exactly what I felt
I was wondering this. I’m not familiar with her at all, but to me it seemed like she didn’t understand some really basic principles. It makes more sense that she was just asking questions that they thought the viewers may be asking.
Thank you
I love this woman so hard. She is so great, she's a genius, she's beautiful, and she works her ass off to do amazing work.