5 SAFETY GEAR MISCONCEPTIONS for EUC Riders
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- In this video we will talk about misconceptions that do not serve you as an EUC rider. I'll talk about th eliminations of safety gear and what helps to have less injuries during crashes. We'll talk about the mentality of gear, downhill long boarding helmets, knee pads and knee braces, buzzers and armor as well as hip and tailbone protection.
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0:00 Intro
0:44 Gear Solves Everything
2:29 TSG Pass and Predator Helmets
5:14 Kneepads save your legs in all cases
8:46 Armor/Buzzer protects you in all scenarios
11:36 Hip/Tailbone Protection is not important
12:52 Conclusion - Спорт
I like you mentioning the fatigue state and mental state because crashing when you are tired is totally a thing, physically and mentally, you pay way less attention.
words of wisdom mate - Im 62 and usually never ride for than 4 hours pr day... I have no car
Oh regarding fatigue.... Dont buy very heavy wheels for Urban riding.
When you are tired at the end of a ride and heading home is when you people have the most accidents. Luckily all my crashes have been at low speeds so far. Mud at low speeds is just as easy to wipe out on. Having hard kneepads and good wristguards made it into a minor crash with some scuffs on my 18XL and pads, and a tweaked ankle.
Broke my leg while riding tired (after work) at night. Haven't noticed a pothole and fell like a sack.
You forgot hardshell backpack, which can protect your tailbone.
It is better to roll over your backpack than landing flatt on your back.
Proper shoes also matter.
Thank you Adam for the great content you are providing to EUC community. I’m a big fan of yours.
Whoo! Thanks for watching ;)
The man who flies backwards over stairs and jumps over anything in sight happens to also be the GOAT of safety 👍 Great analysis.
Also you're getting better and better at editing, the rhythm and tone of your videos keeps getting better. Happy 2024 Adam ! ❤
Went down on an e-scooter at 40mph. Had the leatts on and had no knee injuries. It's a good pad. Wish I had also had a riding style boot, although I don't know if it would have saved my foot. Multiple fractures and a metal plate in there now. Don't skip out on the proper shoes either. Vans or similar canvas shoes probably aren't the play. Another tip from my crash is wearing a book bag. I don't think I would have broken broken my spine the way I fell, but it for sure saved my back from road rash. Had nice skid marks everywhere the bag didn't cover.
i just wiped out tonight heading home after checking the post office. I had gear on, got impatient waiting to pass bikers. Went on sidewalk to speed passed. Should have just relaxed, but I turned into a cartoon character, sticking out of a bush. The bikers proceeded to pass me instead, without even a glance as to whether I am okay or not. DON'T BE RECKLESS! :)
I am so glad i upgraded from my bell 3r to an ece 22.06 rated helmet. It really saved me when my v12 had its unintended braking incident
This is a very valuable video. Many EUC riders I see don’t wear the proper gear because they haven’t yet experienced a bad accident.
najlepszy kanał na temat monocykli. Dziękuję, że wyjaśniłeś ludziom, że marketing nie uchroni Cię przed kontuzjami. ❤
It's hot in Australia and never snows where I live, the Fox Proframe helmet is great and has the correct standards including chin bar testing.
Super helpful! Oh, btw, moto socks (often called knee brace socks) work absolute wonders to keep the leatt pads from slipping. The socks have silicone strips that grip both the pad and your skin.
This might be the best advice of real world rider experience I have seen
Its great to see you mature right before our eyes!!! This is really great as alot of people watch you and probably will try too emulate you its really good to see you be a true EUC Ambassador in safe riding while still doing awesome stunts. Keep it up as we need more people like you making videos about responsibility, Cheers mate & wish you the best in 2024 & beyond!!
Thank you for promoting top-level safety practices! Early on, I realized that I won't feel safe being a *daily* commuter without knee braces, and full motorcycle gear. I bought used leather motorcycle jackets for winter and summer (perforated), and got myself a motorcycle helmet. It's not the easiest to deal with in the summer, as perforated leather is only cool on a really hot day at 50kph, but I make due for the sake of safety.
I hope more riders find out what works for them with the help of this video!
It's nice to see these kinds of videos make the rounds again. I feel like every year or so we need an update as the more everyone rides, the (hopefully) more we know. I keep wondering if a flow chart of sorts could be a good way to encourage riding safely. Check off what you're wearing, this is a recommend safe speed to crash at.
I have followed you from the start I love that you speak from the heart when our hands are tied all we can do is speak out. Love you
Finally someone talks about the knee protectors moving around! They've been driving me nuts !!!
not tight enough maybe, as Leatt dualaxis is prety decent for me, at least for my "slow" speeds
Thank you for making this important video. I would like more EUC gear reviews in the future. Perhaps also you could put some pressure on manufakturers to make better EUC gears. For example I want a winter wrist guard with a winter glove.
You’re welcome! Agree it’d be great to have integrated wrist guards into gloves. I think Flexmeter makes some which are used for snowboarding
♥ *This is greatly needed advice!* Thank you.
I really enjoy these gear videos, thank you!
100% agree with every point! Well done Adam
lol had to do the "STOP in the name of the law" just recently XD
Can confirm #3, I had a low speed crash doing some crazy turn, fell to my side a bit awkwardly and sprained my knee, despite having moto pants with padding built in. 6-7 months of no riding.
Ouch! So sorry to hear that :(
wow, sorry to hear that. glad you're back on the wheel now.
I LOVE that you had "gear solves everything" as #1. Yes gear is great and our community is very commonly suggesting it's use, but with that I have seen the trend that no one is ever talking about speeds, terrain/weather, and overall riding skill levels and how these plays into risk levels. Gear does not solve for these factors and is only the last barrier to protect us from damage. And yes they can be very efficient at mitigating damage in certain scenarios, but they are by no means superpowers.
I strongly dislike the trend that safety tip #1 is suggesting everyone go all gear at all times and then what follows is "just ride however you want and the gear will save you". If you go for the max protection at every scenario including wearing motorcycle gear at walking speeds then that's all good, it is going to make you a lot safer than wearing less or nothing.
But that doesn't mean you are safe at all speeds in all scenarios, or that you are better off zooming around in traffic at 60km/h+ as a beginner power ranger then a veteran rider gliding slowly to the store in the bicycle lane with little to no gear on.
Yes gear is great and help us in a lot of scenarios but speed and sudden stops kills, no matter what
Good comment. It's also like the Zen Lee video posted recently about people having superman syndrome. We get decent enough skills and decent enough gear where we think we are some kind of superhuman... until we aren't.
riding an euc is inherently dangerous. It can be pretty safe if you are way inside the envelope however if you start pushing, riding bumps etc. you will fall at some point for sure. Most of the falls I have seen are overleans which goes by experience but also because of pushing too hard
Great stuff Adam ... I think many overlook the hip/tailbone protection which, lets face it, you mess up those areas, your riding days could be over ... also, unless you want hamburger hands in a high speed crash, gloves are a must .. thanks again!
You told me to get a helmet with MIPS and I must thank you because my MIPS helmet saved me from getting a concussion when I cut out at 40 MPH.
Dzięki Adam, konkretna wiedza poprzedzona doświadczeniem, bez owijania w bawełnę ;-) pozdr!
Could you do a video on your favorite shows for EUC riding? Factors to consider, etc. I really enjoy the videos on gear and safety so thank you for making this video.
Awsome review! Thanks!
Don't be stubborn -- learn from Wrong Way's! mistakes or pay the price! 😅
Great content ! Glad you talk about these lame tsg helmet so many people buy, it will help a lot of riders to save 300 €
Good review of safety.
Hi from Will and Mr Data :):]
Thank you Mr Wrong Way.
Yip. Agreed.
Wishing you nice success and to be well.
Good video!
I had my mother sew "belt" loops onto the back of my riding pants, the top and bottom strap of my Leatts go thru the loops and stops them from sliding down. I dont trust those "armored" jeans that they advertise, i want hard plastic as my outer most layer which the Leatts are perfect for.
Ive been bugging TSG on social media about getting a Pinlock visor made for the Pass because without it its unwearable.
7:11 you earned my 👍🏼just because of that.
Thanks, Adam. You've convinced me to buy some protective shorts to wear under my pants.
Cool! I hope there won’t be a situation where you’d need them!
Thank you for the video! I am happy to understand the knee guard problem slip because hard to find. i would buy leatt knee brace.
+100 on the TSG helmet. I had a fall straight on my face once at slow speed and already the helmet FLATTENED and I felt my face slam into the helmet. Totally worthless. I ride with a motocycle (DOT) helmet now.
I would recommend you find a helmet that is ECE or SNELL rated, as Mr. Wrong Way mentioned in the video. The reason is the DOT crash rating is the most minimal rating a moto helmet can have. That standard is ancient and nearly worthless. The ECE and Snell are much more stringent and actually relevant testing for crash scenarios. Don't get me wrong, DOT is better than what TSG does. But it may give you a false sense of safety. Just my two cents from my experience and research in the moto industry. ✌️
Great video
Thank you, very important, especially the very first ADVICE. RIDE SAFE SO YOU PREVENT CRASH TO HAPPEN
Good points, I bought a TSG Pass mainly for winter and to see why so many used it, also I was ordering other things on e-rides
But then I have not used it much myself in the 1+ year I owned it though, it is warmer and better in rain than my Fox Proframe but so are motorcycle helmets ofcause.
I dont like how much it fogs up in the cold so that sucks ergo I keep it open mostly, Predador reportedly ventilate better and I did consider buying one before.
Then I recently bought those side lightmod strips like Delivery Record breaker Timur Fearless uses, and they fit my TSG Pass quite well with Breakfree light at the back as well, so well luminated/visible.
Also I been trying out some AI for my video editing and I like Astronaut themes so Im thinking to get a White helmet next to fit with that theme.
Thanks for rocking a Brake Free! That makes me really happy (I'm one of the founders). I really like riding in an ADV style moto helmet, like a Scorpion EXO, or Shoei VFX. They are pricy though. But they offer great protection, nice comfort features, and some of the best ventilation IMO.
Don't forget the wrists. Every time I crashed without a wrist guard resulted in a painful wrist or two.
Thank you for the video! For offroad I would take something more sturdy such as AS bionic pants. Have them always when riding, just bought a bit bigger pants to go over. Don't even think about it after 2 years of using them constantly while riding for fun/working.
very good advice.
Adam, what can you tell us about the shoes?
Good protection in city riding: Carry a visible brick in your dominant hand. Car drivers will be a lot more cooperative.
I use a lightweight motorcycle helmet with a pinlock visor , so minimises steaming up. Also has a built in sun visor which you can use at wil. For arms and legs I use Leat elbow and shin guards. Both are very comfortable and give good protection
I have LS2 Explorer carbon helmet, its great looking, but i dont like it so much as i liked LS2 Pioneer evo, as this one have better visibility
I just bought an electric scooter and buying motorcycle gear for it (helmet, armored jacket, armored gloves). Once I get an EUC i'll get everything. I don't have any gear for my e-bike (already got hit by a truck, spent a year in physio but I am good now). Times are great for living now with all these electric stuff. If your job requires you to have a class 5, show up in an EUC and it's good enough. Been pretty defensive since I got hit on my e-bike so I learned my lesson (although I was hit in the bike lane of all places).
TSG Pass crew here❤
Pls don't die
Let them.
Thanks!
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For EUC i use Leatt for everything all the way, best gear ever... although they do not make wrist protector... For the knee and the elbow i use the Leatt 3DF, 3DF hybrid is not bad either !!
There is missing some gloves 😂 but fine..... Btw: I got same motorcycle pants 😂😂😂
Good job.
It was a list of 5 haha opportunity for the next video :) thanks! Hope the pants work well!
Hey, mr. WrongWay, have small tip about kneepads, you shoudve use fasteners like "x |" instead of "| | |" under the knee.
This will prevent the knee pads from slipping and provide greater comfort when walking
Thanks Adam for your advice. If your speed increase, the protection must increase also.
Be safe all Wheelers 👍
Few days ago I had crash on an e-scooter at 20kmh (12mph). I had Leatt 3.0 enduro helmet and I broked my nose! I have no other protective gear and broked my left hand. I thing it's not broke from fall but from helmet hit to my hand. I also hit my right knee and two other places on the legs. I went to hospital and there was another guy crashed at 12kmp (7,5mph) and he broked hand. I can't even imagine what kind of damage a higher speed does to the body when you break a bone at such low speeds. Be careful guys.
I find the best gear is the stuff that works for me and how I ride. That's probably going different from someone else's gear. I want something easy to use and something comfortable. That way I'm more likely to use it. The best gear is the gear you wear not the stuff that stays in the garage.
Flashlight helps to interact with car drivers.
This is a great video. It would be great if you could get Monocat to do a safety gear review for women’s gear: pants, jackets, etc. My experience being a 5’ tall woman with my motorcycle jacket is that the sleeves are too long so the elbow pads aren’t in the right spot. Hemming kevlar lined pants…can it be done at home? I have to hem petite length pants
And it's important to have the correct sizes of any safety gear you use. They can be too tight or loose in weird ways. Leatt dual axis for example has too small kneecap cup for my knees and the cup size does not change between dual axis pad sizes (in adult size range). Uncomfortable gear makes it more likely to be left home when going for a ride. Get a real motorcycle helmet or for hot months or hot regions a real motocross helmet. You'll get used to the weight in no time.
Also even if you fall with kneepads, motorcycle helmet and jacket, you may not have open wounds but depending on how hard you fall you will still hurt from the impact.
I mostly bought leatt and a motorcycle jacket for lessening the pain from falling.
That's true. The hard plastic can protect from the slide injuries, but that doesn't mean you won't have deep joint issues.
Are you adding padding underneath the Leatt Z-Frames? It seems to me, that they are quite hard if impacted.
I want to buy an EUC but I live in a place with wooden houses, so I don't want to put others at risk. For the PEVs that have recently caught fire.
Could there be a way to store my EUC outside like a metal cage? And what would happen to the batteries in extremely cold weather, like snow, if we left them outside?
Do you have any idea how I can do something like that?
Thanks for your videos
nice
you can also wear motorcycle knee pads under the pants, which minimises the chances of twisting and sliding off.
also it reduces your slide distance, which should be considered if you ride on public roads.
Just seems a little more inconvenient this way, but it's definitely an option
My man, I'm all about fitness...fitness whole plate of tacos in my mouth.
But anyways, I'm slowly accumulating better gear but I gotta say, I got you beat on lowest level of protection that's not none. I got knee and elbow pads off the clearance rack at Cycle Gear for $30US total. That was before I even knew what an EUC was. I don't ride fast, though. I just cruise. I got knee braces coming, I wear a modular motorcycle helmet, and I plan on getting boots like Forma Adventures or something similar (a local guy broke his ankle and recommended something with support and crush protection). I already ride slow on my scooter and I will probably do so on my EUC as well and I'll combine that with being over geared. After all, I'm the only person in my house with a job. I gotta pay bills.
BEGODE ET MAX review please
The obvious answer is to get full racing leathers with built-in airbags.
jk, but the amount of EUC riders who go overkill on safety gear gives me a giggle.
Funny enough, gear syndrom is called Peltzmann effect or superman effect, where an individual think that the more gear, the safer, then the more risk you can take, negating the protection you've achieved.
I'm gonna be honest, I also think companies should start developping EUC-oriented gear, and people should start pushing for that instead of promoting the usage of gear that is meant for other sports. People think it's fine, but road motorbike helmets i.e are meant for road motorbike speeds, the flexibility, the FoV, the weight are not really made for PEV usage. We could get way better than that.
Last thing is when people (including youtubers) give a bad example, promoting motorbike gear for when you go passed 40-45 kmh on road... Most people don't see anything wrong, but as influencer, promoting illegal speeds (because in countries where it's legal, 45kmh is not a legal speed), that's just wrong... That would be the same as a motorbike channel promoting some gear for when you hit 200kmh+ on road (except autobanh or isle of mann :D).
Your first security isn't gear, it's how you behave and the mentality you have when you hop on a EUC. If you plan on going bicycle speeds, you don't need a full racing carbon motorbike helmet imo.
Uff... just crashed at 40kmh (acceleration cutout uphill) 2 days ago... RIP hip... why you tell me dis now...
can confirm that hip is important.... but reealy important is also the right intuitive reaction and body fitness
I hope you get well soon! Bummer that the video was late for you in this case :/
@@mr_wrongway am i still noticing 99 % left hip effected in crashes ive seen. It must be instinct.
I've practiced getting down quickly then being OK that sliding takes a long time, which I found very disturbing in my first longboard slide that seemed to take forever.
Let's hope my practicing is any use.
My lower back and hip is already a wreck from prior lessons.
I've been thinking about beltbags that strap around hips butt and legs as well, something.
Wishing you nice success and to be well.
Thank you for the video! I always wear all the gear and never go higher than 25km/h, I have my V10F limited to 30km/h but I almost never even hear the beeping.
I am considering on upgrading some of my gear, even though I don't go as fast, a fall can still be nasty, so your recommendations are well appreciated!
What is all the gear? And what do you wear while riding bicycle at 25km/h?
@@heymelon Helmet, wristguards, knee pads, elbow pads.
On bicycle, only helmet, the bicycle won't lose balance and throw me, unlike a failure in euc electronics or battery.
to hear beepings, you need garniture/comm unit
@@milordas On the V10F beeping is automatic if you go fast enough. I don't hear them because I actively avoid them.
Protection is newer enough. Better to be protected, then repair your face or tooth. Predator and TSG overhyped helmets, they are bad for euc esp. for winter, but thats imo
What about footwear? Shoes? Boots? And wristguards/gloves?
I just had room for 5 things in the video :)
Knox body armour....... and extra kevlar over the kevlar...
Some spineprotectors jackets (plastic armor) also covers tailbone, combined with D3O padded shorts you have a lot of protection on tailbone. D3O is a wonderfull material and amazing check it out. Some safety gear is not safe, they dont protect important neural structures in elbow and shoulderjoint and the darn thang slides when you fall. lazyrolling is not made for EUC its for skateboarders - def not safe for EUCs.
Check out snowboarding gear for tailbone and butt protection.
I have a video idea for you. begode Sound diagnosis.
If have to say if your 45mph or less you're fine with a tsg or any mtb helmet with mips I mean the dudes that ride slope style are usually pushing those speeds and flying 35ft into the air. If you're going to be wearing a moto helmet it better be super light or you are just increasing the chance that you'll be Injuring your neck. I will say above 45mph everything I just stated doesn't apply anymore and you probably want a full moto setup. But should you really be going 45+mph in most situations?
Imho Last point must be the first and the most important
And what about our feet,? they will surely suffer in a crash😢
Oh, comment on these lanyards people use.
Leatt Z Frame 1200 zeta . No , its not cheap :)
Yep :/
could also mention Hsiang ski helmet that he use for euc and keep showing on his videos like it's something legit.
Is that one with the chin guard?
@@PurpleRider yes
It’s not a chin guard. It’s a protector against ski poles during slalom skiing. It’s not meant for protection on falls. I intended to talk about it but I forgot 🙈
Good clarification@@mr_wrongway
Re: PinLock. There are adhesive pinlocks, I just glued one on my TSG. Works perfectly.
A very important part about helemts is convenience and comfort. With TSG Pass Pro, I don't think twice before putting it on, I just do it. Bigger heavier helmets are more restrictive. And as they say, the best protective gear is the one that's on you.
Also why do you expect a motorcycle certification from a EUC helmet? I don't think that's fair. How is EUC even different from a dowhill skateboarding in terms of head injury? You're just risking to hit your face on the asphalt in both cases, at similar speeds.
Those helmets are only tested at 15 mph, if you don't ride faster than that, then you are good.
and gloves ? you don t wearing gloves ?
Thanks mate and now I hope those muppets who promote TSG and Predator pay attention ( looking at you Freshly Charged and eevee’s)
Thanks for the generous donation!!! I wouldn’t call them this way though. It’s important to promote gear that is safe and not gear that might leave you hurt as those helmets do, you’re correct :/
where is kat ... bring back kat ....
if your riding under 25mph, mountain bike gear is ok.
riding above 30mph , buy motorcycle gear.
you are from begining on the WRONG WAY.....
u can always get a higher end helmet with more ratings. thousands of downhill riders ride faster than all us euc riders and crash. no such thing as brain damage on ANY downhill riders wearing a tsg/predetor helmet. same with euc riding. crashes daily on euc with tsg pass. they are fine. never seen brain dmg or even a cracked skull on a euc crash with tsg pass.
I'm with you on this. The helmet discussions about this are so laughably ignorant, with people doing things like flexing the helmet shell (a totally irrelevant test for helmet safety) and ignoring all the actual helmet standards put together by safety experts, which require objective testing by independent labs.
Usually they at least realize that the motorcycle standards require more impact protection, but they even get that confused and think it's going to prevent mild concussions. It drives me nuts. 99% of the people involved in this discussion aren't qualified to give helmet advice to anyone.
@@SkeptikosUTube yep. well said .
I saw a YT video the guy wore a TSG and went down. Had a concussion and stitches so didnt help much
LS2 Valiant II best EUC helmet out there and great price
how its visibility?
3:08 that downhill mountain bike certification absolutely tests the chinbar. I want to give you props for talking about safety gear and not nitpick, but come on. That is an easy fact to check.
Well, I guess in the grand scheme of things, it's a pretty good sign that we're only disagreeing about this kind of minor detail. It's cool to have people getting this serious about safety gear. I feel like you don't see this kind of discussion nearly as much for any other PEVs. (alienrides with the e-scooters is the only one that comes to mind.)
Um, anyway, regarding chinbars. You got the fact wrong but there are still legitimate questions about the chinbar test. Both downhill racing and Snell (2020D) motorcycle standards only test the chinbar with a deflection test-- they measure how much the chinbar flexes in response to impact. But that won't tell you whether your face is going to hit the chinbar from behind in a crash. The ECE test might be better because they do it differently, with an actual impact with a dummy head inside. Maybe. It's not very clear how much that matters in practice, but it's a reasonable argument to make.
PS: It's actually the Predator helmet that doesn't have the chinbar test! That one doesn't even have the downhill certification at all, just the regular bicycle certification. (Oh, that's a second mistake in the video, you said it had the downhill certification. Argh.)
good you finally moved away from recommending bicycle helmets, you really should take that video down.
tghx for good info mtae. Leatt is overpriced youll finde knee BRACES from others firms better priced.... Leatt is arrogantly overpriced shit. Bauer will cost 10% of the Leatt bracess.
You’re welcome! Any suggestions? My least stuff usually works well and for a long time :)
@@mr_wrongway Leatt X- and Z-frames are some of the cheapest knee braces (ORTHOSIS) worth talking about. Other brands like Asterisk or EVS or Alpinestars are more expensive and not necessarily better.
A lot of time the manufacturers offer individual spare parts for your knee braces, so they really can be a very lasting investment.
Please inform us then! Leatt is easily some of the best quality and lowest price.
lol, buy cheaper gear. Ok.
@@user-ke9yk5qp3u Leatt is overpriced plastic - but I must confess the braces system sounds clever and I dont suspect Adam of corruption....
TIL lazyrolling makes "motorcycle jackets" 😂😂😂
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