Nonetheless, “Joshua…” is iconic too. But absolutely can’t wait for Ben Starr to absolutely knock it out of the park in Last of us 3 as the final villain
@@AlilasiankidI agree Astarion is rly good but 16 simply wouldn’t have worked as a game if it wasn’t for Clive VA carrying the game on his back. He’s the best character of the whole cast by far but to each their own
Final Fantasy 16 is one of my favorite games ever. Sure, it gets praise for its incredible fights and incredible action sequences, but for me it's the characters and personal relationships that really make it great.
Best scene personally was the Joshua/Clive flashbacks near the end - where it shows the 'accolade' where he's first gifted the Phoenix powers (and throws him a protective wink) and then it flashes back even further to him welcoming him as a baby sibling, it was so beautiful.
Thank you for this, was really sure we would never see this 😭 Best thing about the new format is the space available to do these things weve been asking for ❤
My first time being able to actually listen to a spoilercast because I actually played it and it's of my favorite series. This was amazing. Absolutely loved it. Even got teary eyed again just registering to this. Thank you for this!
The longer this game sits with me the more I feel like this is my favorite Final Fantasy. 6 always held it, 14 made me reconsider, 16 shook me. It's always been about characters to me, and they were SO good here.
Clive is probably my favourite FF main character. Usually the MC is more of a blank slate. Clive is in every way the driving force behind the story. So well acted by Ben too, really put huge amounts of emotion into the performance.
I don't mind blank slate what are u talking about, and I love Clive as much as the next guy, he is my favorite character, but for an rpg I prefer a blank slate so I can role play but with Clive I don't have room to role play as Clive got his own shit, and that my biggest complaint with the game, they don't give me a time to role play and be the main character they designed Clive as not an rpg protagonist but just a normal video game protagonist, and I think ff16 missed the mark there it was so obsessed of being a movie that it forgot it is a video game a role playing video game at that, like with cloud for example even though he also have his own shit but I can role play as him as there some blank slate to him which I love, cloud is the perfect rpg protagonist cuz there is a room for me to be in his shoes, while Clive is just his own character, like I said I love Clive but he doesn't work as an rpg protagonist.
Definitely needed to be a longer episode. There was a lot y'all didn't get to. No discussion about the gigabro Dion. No shout outs to Goetz, Charon, or Blackthorn. Now to actually talk about the game. The beach scene was my favorite. Wild to think the years that went by since they were sleeping next to each in Murdoch's barn, and nothing ever happened between them till that point. But it was a beautiful scene. Superb acting. Second fav is ofc the Byron seeing Clive again for the first time. Do feel like Joshua's scene with Byron felt a little throwaway, like "Oh hey, Joshua's alive too. That's cool." Still gotta play the dlcs. Guess it's better to just reload my first playthrough to play those?
now i'm 99% certain that Jill was pregnant, named the child Joshua and he who wrote the book "Final Fantasy" about his father journey 🤯. that's the only possibility if both Clive and Joshua are dead, if you say Jote and the undying wrote the book under Joshua name, i will say they never refer to Joshua by his name and only use Lord Margrace. and base on the ending there are too many clues about Jill being pregnant : 1. WHY SHOW CLIVE AND JILL NAKED for 10 min and in the next morning she lean in on Clive as she walk slowly ? 2.after the moment "Clive dies" the camera cuts to the hideaway, a woman gives birth and the camera focus on Jill as she smiling like she also is pregnant. 3. the two kids in the post credit cutscene looks like Young Joshua and Clive and the dog looks like Torgal ?, it make you think that they are descendant of Clive- Jill and the dog descendant of Torgal. * this is not in the game, but the song by Kenshi Yonezu - Tsuki Wo Miteita / Moongazing, if you look at the video it start by showing a couple saying goodbye (i spouse that to be Clive and Jill saying goodbye), and in the end they show women pregnant with twins. if you watch Yoshi-P and Yonezu talk about Moongazing, they talk about how they want the song to capture the ending in a hopeful way. it make you think coming from Yoshi-P directly that this is the true intended ending for FF16.
Yo that's crazy, somehow I've never once seen someone propose the idea that Jill was pregnant. But at the same time, this sounds more like a UA-cam theory type thing than something that would have actually happened. What are the supposed numerous clues of it?
I've seen this theory mentioned a couple of times but I just think it'd be really weird for Jill to name their kid Joshua. I mean, if Joshua died and Clived survived, yeah I could definitely see them naming a son in honour of his brother, but why on earth would Jill choose Joshua's name for their only child if Clive died alongside him? At a stretch, I could see it in a "this is what Clive would've wanted" way, but I'd still consider it weird. Or I guess if she had twins I could see a case for Clive and Joshua. But we're getting into some pretty far-fetched territory here. Basically, at that point all bets are off and we might as well just choose to believe that all three of Dion, Joshua and Clive survived. Because why the heck not?
I am really sad that FF16 is over, like there will be nothing more... i am going to miss so much those characters and of corse that is on most part thanka to the amazing performances that actors like Ben Starr did, he is amazing, i really think he must have been nominated to best voice actor, he made me cry so much he made me feel and live fully this story, and i cant wait to see what he is upto next :)
hahaha Ben giving a nonanswer answer from the ending interpretation ending- this man is bound, he knows if he says something; thats the narrative people run with.
This is my favorite game of the last decade I think. It's not perfect but I can't remember enjoying my time more than sitting down everyday for a week or 2 and being completely sucked in to everything about it.
After the Last of Us Part 2 came out, two episodes of Gamescast were released: one was a normal Spoilercast, and then the next week was a roundtable with Ashley, Johnson, Troy Baker, and Neil Druckmann. I feel that this video is much more in line with the latter, while missing a lot of core ingredients that were in the former, such as in-depth discussions of story arcs, a group discussion of important moments, and how the game felt to play near the end. The focus was on Ben and almost exclusively Ben's perspectives and experiences, while I was hoping to hear a greater level of depth on things like the Titan and Bahamut fights, Barnabas and Ultima as characters, and even how late game ability sets felt. (Were character builds with spoiler-blocked abilities such as Bahamut and Shiva even mentioned?) I understand that many of you played the game a year ago and haven't touched it even for the DLC since, but I hope that we do get a proper spoilercast one day, as this wasn't it for me.
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT FF16 SO CHOOSE YOUR OWN ENDING WITHOUT REPLAYING THE GAME : the ending as first look you can say Clive did the ultimate sacrifice and save the world, but if you add the side quests at the end with Jill and the flowers scene, her line to Clive is literally the game end scene without "the coming back" : "no matter how terrible the night dawn will always come, and that you will alyas come for me, Clive", the game end scene is Jill see the red star stop glowing start running crying all night then sunrise and she stop crying and then smile, so you can fill in on why she smiling based on your interpretation. AND the post credit cutscene with the book, if you add harpocrates side quest with Dion "A Tail to Tell", you can say that Clive wrote the book under Joshua name to honor his memory like he took Cid name... other things i like to mention : A - it was Barnabas who sent Benedikta head to Kupka and made it apears that Cid did it, so it was not Annabelle. B - in the end when Clive tell Jill "i will come back, i promise"" then add i" love you", then Jill take her time and say "i know before the i love you back", BECAUSE she knows that he is lying about the part "coming back", if you pay attention during the cutscene with Uncle Byron in the middle of the game when he said to Clive "you always being a a terrible liar" and Jill said it's "not untrue", she knows when Clive tell the truth and not.
This was so worth the wait. Reminiscing about this game reminds me how good and special it is and makes me want to return for the DLC and get that platinum more than ever. Ben is the GOAT of FF lead actors
I guess we're just casually spoiling a major death in FF7 during a FF16 spoilercast :/ I didn't know that before anyone attacks me, I'm 19 I wasn't around to play the old final fantasy games I just barely got into final fantasy with 16 and I just beat ff7 remake and I haven't got a chance to buy rebirth yet. Still love you Tim, always gonna be a kinda funny fan, just sucks to get spoiled. I guess I'll be extra cautious about future spoilercasts for games similar to others
I have to admit, this was a pretty terrible spoilercast. It was more of a sit down with the lead VA (which isn't bad) but with the gloves coming off they hardly talked about anything relevant in the game. What did they think when Joshua actually was alive? What was there thoughts of Ultima's ACTUAL goal of getting the remnant in Joshua to them and the brothers realizing they were duped? Why didn't they discuss more of Anabella's betrayal and that she was used by Ultima who was disguised as her son? Etc. To wait a year to hardly dig deep and share their thoughts if the game as a whole (not just who they liked and music) is very disappointing and shouldn't be called a spoilercast
This was one of the most special games I’ve ever played. It’s been a long time since I’ve been so into a game’s world, characters, and story. It really took me back to when I was a kid playing FFX. I did not expect this game to be this incredible when I saw the initial trailer, but wow. I am beyond sad that it’s over, but I hope the creators read this comment and realize that they really created something special. Clive & Joshua are now up there with my favorite video game characters. They should release an upgraded version for PS5 Pro & PC so that more people have a chance to play this legendary game. I hope the creators of this game get to make FF17, because they clearly know what they’re doing!
That's not a spoiler for rebirth lol. That's the worst kept secret in video games... it's from a 30 year old video game that is as common knowledge as Darth Vader being Luke's Father....
@@ArdentSnow it was a spoiler for me! I haven’t played the original nor ever heard that before and I’m sure there are plenty of people that would appreciate some form of warning if they are not an OG fan.
Terrible "spoilercast". I hate how rigid these formats have become. The lack of time given to discussions just sucks now. Everything being so produced and scheduled just takes the soul out.
This was more a Opinioncast/interview rather then an actual spoilercast kinda disappointed here most of your Spoilercasts you know actually spoil something or at least go over the plot this was mostly you all just kinda discussing how you all felt about it…
Ben Starr should’ve gotten the Game Award For Best Performance! He absolutely commanded the screen with his presence.
He'll get more chances. This is only the start of his VA journey
You’ll get no pity from me, Kupka!
You’re absolutely bugging out. Astarion is one of the best written characters on screen on paper. And perfectly voiced
Nonetheless, “Joshua…” is iconic too. But absolutely can’t wait for Ben Starr to absolutely knock it out of the park in Last of us 3 as the final villain
@@AlilasiankidI agree Astarion is rly good but 16 simply wouldn’t have worked as a game if it wasn’t for Clive VA carrying the game on his back. He’s the best character of the whole cast by far but to each their own
Final Fantasy 16 is one of my favorite games ever. Sure, it gets praise for its incredible fights and incredible action sequences, but for me it's the characters and personal relationships that really make it great.
Best scene personally was the Joshua/Clive flashbacks near the end - where it shows the 'accolade' where he's first gifted the Phoenix powers (and throws him a protective wink) and then it flashes back even further to him welcoming him as a baby sibling, it was so beautiful.
Thank you for this, was really sure we would never see this 😭
Best thing about the new format is the space available to do these things weve been asking for ❤
My first time being able to actually listen to a spoilercast because I actually played it and it's of my favorite series. This was amazing. Absolutely loved it. Even got teary eyed again just registering to this. Thank you for this!
Ben Starr is THE man, so glad you guys got him on to finally do a full spoilercast. What an incredible game
The longer this game sits with me the more I feel like this is my favorite Final Fantasy. 6 always held it, 14 made me reconsider, 16 shook me. It's always been about characters to me, and they were SO good here.
Great discussion. Loved hearing how Ben felt recording the lines and the look inside Clive’s mind for each big moment.
just beat the game an hour ago and still can’t believe how profound this story is. one of my favorite games and cannot believe it is over.
Clive is probably my favourite FF main character. Usually the MC is more of a blank slate. Clive is in every way the driving force behind the story. So well acted by Ben too, really put huge amounts of emotion into the performance.
I don't mind blank slate what are u talking about, and I love Clive as much as the next guy, he is my favorite character, but for an rpg I prefer a blank slate so I can role play but with Clive I don't have room to role play as Clive got his own shit, and that my biggest complaint with the game, they don't give me a time to role play and be the main character they designed Clive as not an rpg protagonist but just a normal video game protagonist, and I think ff16 missed the mark there it was so obsessed of being a movie that it forgot it is a video game a role playing video game at that, like with cloud for example even though he also have his own shit but I can role play as him as there some blank slate to him which I love, cloud is the perfect rpg protagonist cuz there is a room for me to be in his shoes, while Clive is just his own character, like I said I love Clive but he doesn't work as an rpg protagonist.
Definitely needed to be a longer episode. There was a lot y'all didn't get to. No discussion about the gigabro Dion. No shout outs to Goetz, Charon, or Blackthorn.
Now to actually talk about the game. The beach scene was my favorite. Wild to think the years that went by since they were sleeping next to each in Murdoch's barn, and nothing ever happened between them till that point. But it was a beautiful scene. Superb acting. Second fav is ofc the Byron seeing Clive again for the first time. Do feel like Joshua's scene with Byron felt a little throwaway, like "Oh hey, Joshua's alive too. That's cool."
Still gotta play the dlcs. Guess it's better to just reload my first playthrough to play those?
Agreed. I wish they approached spoilercasts the same way they did in-Reviews
now i'm 99% certain that Jill was pregnant, named the child Joshua and he who wrote the book "Final Fantasy" about his father journey 🤯.
that's the only possibility if both Clive and Joshua are dead, if you say Jote and the undying wrote the book under Joshua name, i will say they never refer to Joshua by his name and only use Lord Margrace.
and base on the ending there are too many clues about Jill being pregnant :
1. WHY SHOW CLIVE AND JILL NAKED for 10 min and in the next morning she lean in on Clive as she walk slowly ?
2.after the moment "Clive dies" the camera cuts to the hideaway, a woman gives birth and the camera focus on Jill as she smiling like she also is pregnant.
3. the two kids in the post credit cutscene looks like Young Joshua and Clive and the dog looks like Torgal ?, it make you think that they are descendant of Clive- Jill and the dog descendant of Torgal.
* this is not in the game, but the song by Kenshi Yonezu - Tsuki Wo Miteita / Moongazing, if you look at the video it start by showing a couple saying goodbye (i spouse that to be Clive and Jill saying goodbye), and in the end they show women pregnant with twins.
if you watch Yoshi-P and Yonezu talk about Moongazing, they talk about how they want the song to capture the ending in a hopeful way.
it make you think coming from Yoshi-P directly that this is the true intended ending for FF16.
Yo that's crazy, somehow I've never once seen someone propose the idea that Jill was pregnant. But at the same time, this sounds more like a UA-cam theory type thing than something that would have actually happened. What are the supposed numerous clues of it?
It’s implied Joshua was revived at the cost of Clive’s life. That’s what his “terms” were.
I've seen this theory mentioned a couple of times but I just think it'd be really weird for Jill to name their kid Joshua. I mean, if Joshua died and Clived survived, yeah I could definitely see them naming a son in honour of his brother, but why on earth would Jill choose Joshua's name for their only child if Clive died alongside him?
At a stretch, I could see it in a "this is what Clive would've wanted" way, but I'd still consider it weird. Or I guess if she had twins I could see a case for Clive and Joshua. But we're getting into some pretty far-fetched territory here. Basically, at that point all bets are off and we might as well just choose to believe that all three of Dion, Joshua and Clive survived. Because why the heck not?
God hearing Ben talk about the game in this way made me love him even more! Amazing spoilercast it was worth the wait
My first Final Fantasy and I absolutely loved it. Got the Platinum and can't wait to see more form this particular world if SE ever get back to it. 🙌
I am really sad that FF16 is over, like there will be nothing more... i am going to miss so much those characters and of corse that is on most part thanka to the amazing performances that actors like Ben Starr did, he is amazing, i really think he must have been nominated to best voice actor, he made me cry so much he made me feel and live fully this story, and i cant wait to see what he is upto next :)
hahaha Ben giving a nonanswer answer from the ending interpretation ending- this man is bound, he knows if he says something; thats the narrative people run with.
This was fun to watch and its nice to see Kazutoyo Maehiro get props for his writing as well as Ben Starr. Well deserved.
This is my favorite game of the last decade I think. It's not perfect but I can't remember enjoying my time more than sitting down everyday for a week or 2 and being completely sucked in to everything about it.
How y’all not gonna talk about my man Dion?! Really good episode!
For real. Dion was that guy.
After the Last of Us Part 2 came out, two episodes of Gamescast were released: one was a normal Spoilercast, and then the next week was a roundtable with Ashley, Johnson, Troy Baker, and Neil Druckmann.
I feel that this video is much more in line with the latter, while missing a lot of core ingredients that were in the former, such as in-depth discussions of story arcs, a group discussion of important moments, and how the game felt to play near the end. The focus was on Ben and almost exclusively Ben's perspectives and experiences, while I was hoping to hear a greater level of depth on things like the Titan and Bahamut fights, Barnabas and Ultima as characters, and even how late game ability sets felt. (Were character builds with spoiler-blocked abilities such as Bahamut and Shiva even mentioned?)
I understand that many of you played the game a year ago and haven't touched it even for the DLC since, but I hope that we do get a proper spoilercast one day, as this wasn't it for me.
This is KFG Vol. 3, Episode 13 (Episode 497 overall)
It was worth the wait for this Spoilercast! Thanks Ben, Tim, and Andy!
Brilliant ep!!! Thank you Ben for just being BEN!!! Such a legend!
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT FF16 SO CHOOSE YOUR OWN ENDING WITHOUT REPLAYING THE GAME :
the ending as first look you can say Clive did the ultimate sacrifice and save the world, but if you add the side quests at the end with Jill and the flowers scene, her line to Clive is literally the game end scene without "the coming back" : "no matter how terrible the night dawn will always come, and that you will alyas come for me, Clive", the game end scene is Jill see the red star stop glowing start running crying all night then sunrise and she stop crying and then smile, so you can fill in on why she smiling based on your interpretation.
AND the post credit cutscene with the book, if you add harpocrates side quest with Dion "A Tail to Tell", you can say that Clive wrote the book under Joshua name to honor his memory like he took Cid name...
other things i like to mention :
A - it was Barnabas who sent Benedikta head to Kupka and made it apears that Cid did it, so it was not Annabelle.
B - in the end when Clive tell Jill "i will come back, i promise"" then add i" love you", then Jill take her time and say "i know before the i love you back", BECAUSE she knows that he is lying about the part "coming back", if you pay attention during the cutscene with Uncle Byron in the middle of the game when he said to Clive "you always being a a terrible liar" and Jill said it's "not untrue", she knows when Clive tell the truth and not.
We need more Ben Star and Clive action! Hope they make a followup, 16 is in my top 3 games ever made!
Just popping in to say I haven't gotten around to the DLC yet, but I'm keen af to watch this as soon as I do!
Yoooo I appreciate this spoilercast coming out now since I also just recently beat ff16! Amazing game honestly!!
This was so worth the wait. Reminiscing about this game reminds me how good and special it is and makes me want to return for the DLC and get that platinum more than ever.
Ben is the GOAT of FF lead actors
the man has a kupo plushy mazing. I'm hoping that's actually his room lol
I think about FF16 everyday ❤️
This game is my absolute favorite FF title. The experience i got from playing this was something i havent felt in a while.
LFGGGG I've been waiting for this!!
Ooooooh shoot been waiting for this a long time!!!!! And even Ben is here, let’s f*ckin’ go!
Bravo, amazing convo. FFXVI is one of my all time favorite video games. Ben Starr gets it…
nice job guys
Ben is based on that Blitzball opinion.
I just started FF16. Commenting for the algorithm.
Holy shit it’s happening!
Ben Starr is such a treasure
Love the guy but this is an interview, not a spoilercast. Appreciate the effort
I guess we're just casually spoiling a major death in FF7 during a FF16 spoilercast :/ I didn't know that before anyone attacks me, I'm 19 I wasn't around to play the old final fantasy games I just barely got into final fantasy with 16 and I just beat ff7 remake and I haven't got a chance to buy rebirth yet. Still love you Tim, always gonna be a kinda funny fan, just sucks to get spoiled. I guess I'll be extra cautious about future spoilercasts for games similar to others
I have to admit, this was a pretty terrible spoilercast. It was more of a sit down with the lead VA (which isn't bad) but with the gloves coming off they hardly talked about anything relevant in the game. What did they think when Joshua actually was alive? What was there thoughts of Ultima's ACTUAL goal of getting the remnant in Joshua to them and the brothers realizing they were duped? Why didn't they discuss more of Anabella's betrayal and that she was used by Ultima who was disguised as her son? Etc. To wait a year to hardly dig deep and share their thoughts if the game as a whole (not just who they liked and music) is very disappointing and shouldn't be called a spoilercast
8, 12, 16. The FF games that everyone loves to hate.
This was one of the most special games I’ve ever played. It’s been a long time since I’ve been so into a game’s world, characters, and story. It really took me back to when I was a kid playing FFX. I did not expect this game to be this incredible when I saw the initial trailer, but wow. I am beyond sad that it’s over, but I hope the creators read this comment and realize that they really created something special. Clive & Joshua are now up there with my favorite video game characters. They should release an upgraded version for PS5 Pro & PC so that more people have a chance to play this legendary game. I hope the creators of this game get to make FF17, because they clearly know what they’re doing!
Huge spoiler for FF7 rebirth with no warning :(
At around 43 minutes :((
Thanks for the warning. Sorry they spoiled it for you
That's not a spoiler for rebirth lol. That's the worst kept secret in video games... it's from a 30 year old video game that is as common knowledge as Darth Vader being Luke's Father....
@@ArdentSnow it was a spoiler for me! I haven’t played the original nor ever heard that before and I’m sure there are plenty of people that would appreciate some form of warning if they are not an OG fan.
It was a ff7 original spoiler not ff7 rebirth
Terrible "spoilercast". I hate how rigid these formats have become. The lack of time given to discussions just sucks now. Everything being so produced and scheduled just takes the soul out.
This was more a Opinioncast/interview rather then an actual spoilercast kinda disappointed here most of your Spoilercasts you know actually spoil something or at least go over the plot this was mostly you all just kinda discussing how you all felt about it…