Trans debate: Labour wants to bring people 'together' rather than exploit 'division'
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting is asked about proposed changes to the way trans people would change gender under Labour.
Labour have plans to "simplify" the transitioning process, which will streamline the procedure of acquiring a gender recognition certificate.
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Labour will do and say anything to get a vote .
Yes like having in Labour manifestos to control immigration, referendums on EU membership, housing, British jobs for British ppl etc.... none delivered by Labour.
How can Labour expect the Muslim vote if it keeps banging on about Homosexuality and transgenderism
Except the truth. They won't speak the truth.
Face the facts they are all lying , they will all say whatever they need to say to get votes. Ultimately they will always have excuses why they haven't kept their promises. None of them have our interests at heart and the party now in power have made us a laughing stock. How can they expect anyone to trust them let alone vote for them.
@@Autumn-dq3ththey ain’t getting the Muslim vote. The Muslims are all voting for independent candidates around the country and intend to punish labour for its stance on Gaza. It’s only the ignorant elderly people that are still voting for them.
Does this mean we'll be able to find an NHS dentist?
How about food AND heating in winter?
No, it means more men in women's spaces
@@lco7080 No it means genuine trans women in womens places and stops the
fake ones that cause all the issues,
No, because there will be more 'gender affirming care' to pay for.
@@notyourordinarygran Why should there not be? We are really behind as a country with this.
Listening to this guy it is blatantly obvious he has no idea at all what he is talking about - none at all.
do any of them ?
@@barrystubbs983 , he generally goes against trans people. Hence he is just saying the least he can get away with
He's just running down the clock.
Bollox. Nobody wants this BS
i do
@@upshankkumalu9301oh no. No effort reqired now. Just a temu wig and some lippy. Dont even have to shave.
Labour not wanting to exploit division????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They created it.
no the tories and reform created it
Claims Labour wants to bring people together, yet fails to mention the last 5 years of creating division between communities.
How is anyone voting for these clowns?
What percentage of the population are in need of gender laws? I mean any gender laws. What percentage need affordable food and transport and home heating, and an NHS that works?
How can any major political party hope to win an election without aiming to improve the lives of the majority of the people??
I don't see how changing this law makes it any harder to provide food or transport? Even then, it's about winning votes and this sort of policy gets support from the certain groups which helps build up a greater vote share. Of course Labour has other policies to appeal to different people on these things like transport and food security, it doesn't mean they should make positive changes elsewhere.
Hopefully reform will get in, they want to do the opposite and take all this crap out of schools.
Absolutely do not vote labour
Don’t worry I won’t ! 😂
I'm absolutely voting Reform!
Labour need their laptops checked.
Keir Stalin Starmer & his barmy army.
Makes no sense, opposite spectrum from Stalin. Take a history class.
@@jaybee4288he is rooted in a Marxist ideology and utterly weak , stop shilling for him
@@jaybee4288 Well done for recognising the absurdity of 21st Century politics. Learn some humour.
Gender issues are personal sexual politics and Labour shouldn’t be involved in these irrelevant issues.
Laws and policy are the remit of the government. How people choose to live their lives is (sadly) still limited by what the government decides is acceptable. Social politics have everything to do with the government.
@@Tylru a human beings sexuality is private and should not be made a material “commodity” Social means practical structure and administration not peoples bedrooms. It’s all about bread on your table.
NONSENSE!!! The government passes laws so they need to be involved
no such thing as "personal" and "politics". politics are a public matter by definition
Well ask Dianne Abacus Abbott one minute she's Darth Vader and the next time she's a cuckoo mp which is it
What about freedom, dignity and respect for women, Wes?
Exactly what Rosie Duffield's been asking. All she gets is death threats and flipflopping.
WHAT about freedom, dignity and respect for all people?
@@user-te1hi9rx7b What about frredom to use toilets without men coming in ?
what about freedom from segregation?@@justwhenyouthought6119
Labour must be kept out for the sake of the working man
For the sake of everyone of British heritage.
I totally agree but how ? I’m not voting Reform and loads of people (who wouldn’t vote labour) aren’t going to vote Tory 🤷🏻♂️
And for the sake of women as they don't know what one is!
What a sad state of affairs when the party formed to represent the working class, doesn't.😢 Women don't want to be as 'inclusive' as these folks think.
Gender recognition certificate. What in gods name is that bullshit?
It's basically the government document that legally shows someone has met the legal criteria for recognition of their acquired gender. It's basically just changing a name or word on the government records and the fact it happened.
@@Tesykyso it's a piece of paper that validates people making stuff up effectively
@@juststee don't be an arse
@@juststee toilet paper is more useful.
@@HPugwash They're right
They can’t even keep their own party together 🙄
I will vote reform, I’m over this nonsense
One more reason to vote Reform.
More BS, I can't abide these liars...
From all the poles Reform are absolutely massively ahead of everyone 😂
'Polls'.
Not yet, but they are level with or slightly ahead of the CONsocialists. The Tories really need to stand down, because a vote for them is now a vote for Labour.
@@piper081147 yeah so GET OUT AND VOTE. And don’t be an armchair voter
@@lesigh1749 if cons get ONE vote it will be David Cameron’s mum or someone like that trying to help their sons football team out
Poles. Hahahahahahahah....
Yes I’m definitely voting REFORM 🏴🏴🏴
Please stop pandering to this rubbish . We are all in this together.... Men and Women .
The fact that a leading party thinks this is so important that they over ride every serious issue in the country to make this a flagship policy is si kening .
Gender cannot be changed, no matter what laws Parliament may pass.
That’s what trans people are saying.
@@GemmaHentsch GC types, really have no clue, do they?
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1aaaaaaaaaaaa1 ok jeremy
@@GemmaHentsch ok DUDE
Shows how much labour think of trans people when they send one of their most trans antagonistic MPs to talk about updating the gender recognition act
Beats conservatives who are openly hostile and reform...speaks for itself.
VOTE REFORM PEOPLE!
It’s almost like he wants to throw away the majority lead in the polls
This will satisfy neither side!
Sir Flipflop's Labour: For the few not the many.
Reform brothers and sisters REFORM 🎉🎉
They've just lost my vote. It's going to reform uk now
He litterly said nothing. So why would I vote labour?
Because a vote for Labour is a vote for Islam.
Reasons not to vote labour ?
Sorry Labour wants to keep Austerity going, a good cutback would be to stop wasting taxes on this nonsense, start fixing this country and start helping those who truly need it. Trans is a choice or a good need of BPA detoxification.
Labour doesn't know what a woman is! 😂
Has he found out what a woman is yet ?????lol VOTE REFORM
Mental health funding has been a problem for decades. People need help and therapy to deal with their issues.
Collusion isn't care.
transitioning is the only help for trans people that works. what now?
@@everettbr diddler
@@Blazedreptile projection
@@everettbr Playing pretend never helped anyone. It's a fetish.
@everettbr not true. There are many detransitioners who would have fared better with therapy.
So this means Starmer can now tell us, "What a woman is??? LABOUR NO, VOTE YES REFORM UK
Note he said…’in SOME contexts we should support safe spaces for women’. SOME!
Changing gender should not be easy! It has a profound effect on the individual and on society.
What profound effect on society would that be?
@@Sc-hw5np contribution to a dropping birth rate.
Politicians aren’t medically qualified to distinguish between gender dysphoria and men with a fetish , social contagion and mental illness. Yet they can decide to criminalise the 99% of people for misgendering trans ppl especially if they are no-op or pre op , since there are only 2 sexes it used to be simple to distinguish. Biological sex is fact not an emotion or a feeling that changes from day to day , that’s called your personality.
@@upshankkumalu9301 Actually I liked his comment, because I liked his question :)
@@yourma2000 That's not entirely true. I haven't yet seen a study, or evidence, that trans people are adding to a dropping birth rate.
I'm transitioning from 🐂💩 Labour
To Reform...
I've always voted Labour. They are now pissing me off especially with the reactionary Keir Starmer.
I don't see what's particularly reactionary about this policy?
@@Tesykybecause it has risks , allowing people to transition more easily runs the risk of people transitioning when they don’t really want to or pushed into it , see Tavistock report
@@user-dt3iv5oc6f tavistock attacks were thoroughly debunked...
I've always voted Labour too... I've always considered myself left too... yet weirdly I'm now on the extrem right 😂😂 my values are the same but the goal posts for the left have been moved a lot, what we really have is a radical left.. hence why I like millions more will vote reform this time.
Time to vote for a hope of sanity prevailing. Reform.
The world has gone fricken nuts. The fact that Labour are putting this out as an important issue shows that they are going to be an absolute disaster.
I'm going to transition to become an MP through self identification - can I have my massive gold plated pension please
😂😂😂
It’s not a difficult conversation, two Sexes one is Male and one is Female….!!!
Lunatics, are going to take over the asylum.
Swimming pool changing rooms will get interesting then.......
My swimming pool has been cubicles for decades. Most are these days
They need therapy. Their mother never let them grow up.
Yes, yes, yes!!!! At last, a party that is going to deal with what is of upmost importance to the whole country. Never mind the bills, never mind education, never mind the NHS etc..etc.. We have all been waiting for 14 years to transition without any waiting!!!
Stop spreading misinformation.
There's a place for trans people in Palestine.
Yes.. the prison.
Interviewer was OK to be fair.
Yes but the sik ideology labour's pushing is not fair
REFORM
And this is why we need Reform
How out of touch the main political parties in this country are. It’s time for a complete reshuffle of the system.
I cannot believe their priorities with everything else that’s going on.
Take the time and talk to the people on the streets, find out what they think…… stop…… they just don’t get it……. And never will. What dangerous times we live in.
Most people on the street dont care when it comes to trans people. Maybe get out of your bubble?
@SaviourInDistress Is a loud minority of haters unfortunately who then spread this misinformation to others.
Weirdo labour party next government 😂😂😂
Haven't they got more important things to do that involve EVERYBODY
Never give madmen power.
Why make it easier to transition , what does that mean !! Trans can be whatever they want and thats their choice, I respect that, however, we surely must have to recognise they will never be real women ultimately and women's spaces and lives should be respected and protected. Inclusion and acceptance shouldn't involve women losing their safe places and dignity. Women and young girls need to feel safe and violating our space in schools over this minority of people is shameful. J K Rowing isn't wrong nor does she hate transgender, simply respecting women, is that wrong.
I am the dislike button!
Zero seats
Tory part has failed, stop splitting the Reform vote.
Your party has perished
Vote Reform so we can tell this party how insane they are.
Labour.. it's in the name, keep us toiling away in hard labour. Anyway, labour is just a synonym for Tony Blair's nu Fabian Society. Not that the conservatives are any better. Where the heck is Guy Fawkes
Fair enough. It’s currently extremely difficult, expensive and time consuming.
Lol the host’s bullshit question there. Essentially “this is a really small minority, do they even matter at all?” 🙄
As Wes suggested: ALL LIVES MATTER.
Not just trans people, black people and lastly, binary women, who are the majority compared to the trans community.
It seems likely that Labour will win this election with Reform hot on their heals. Should make for some excellent parliamentary debates.
@@SpiritOfOrange , and only a small minority of cis women are opposed to trans women
@@katywalker8322 Considering how HR departments operate at many firms, cis women - and many cis men - will watch what they say.
@katywalker8322 this woman finds the tern 'cis' offensive., along with many others....respect goes both ways. There are women and trans women...only one of those requires a prefix.
@@notyourordinarygran only reason for cis to be offensive is if trans is considered offensive.
We all knew this was coming open your eyes . Vote reform
So rather than help them with therapy we reaffirm their crazy belief. Makes sense!
Except that the medical consensus that has studied trans people has recognised that conversion "therapy" has no effect on changing one's gender identity (although it does massively increase the risk of suicide).
The consistent recognition of every functional medical body on earth is that as much transition related care as is needed is the only viable treatment path for trans people.
@@GemmaHentsch it's not conversion therapy it's root cause problem solving.
Segregating minorities is bad, how is this even a conversation?
SKY PEDDLING THE HATE AND DIVIDE AS USUAL. TRANS PEOPLE HAVE NO INTEREST IN INFRINGING ON ANYONES RIGHTS. THEY JUST WANT THEIR RIGHTS RECOGNISED
And exactly what 'rights' are those?
@@piper081147 Human rights
And what rights exactly
@@piper081147 recognition of our identities and basic rights under the law.
@@upshankkumalu9301 They're transgender not transhuman lmao
Vote Independents. It’s about time we had a complete change, sick to the back teeth with these two parties. Their manifesto: ‘ROB the POOR to pay the RICH’. That’s exactly what Fishy Sunak said at Tunbridge Wells remember.
This is predominately a Christian country and the government should be promoting the morals and values as laid down in the Bible. Labour would be trying to normalise transitioning, something that isn't normal behaviour and is a dangerous thing for young folk to be trying to do. We need a government to focus on getting the economy in better shape, getting more. Manufacturing jobs, governmental waste sorted, sorting the NHS out, filling in all the pot holes, stop the country being invaded and getting those illegal immigrants removed. I don't think Labour have a clue, I have absolutely no faith in them and think they will totally destroy the country. Better to vote Reform..
It's was only 46% in 2021. So not a majority, we are also a SECULAR country not a theocracy.
What a load of Rubbish!
More Sky News (and Labour) BS!
Groomers are gonna groom.
Ok, i definitely won't be voting Labour
1:54 this question is psychotic. But welcome to terf island I guess.
This is nonsense when people can't get a gp appointment. I can't get treatment for multiple sclerosis!
Nobody's voting Labour the country voting reform uk and there nothing Labour can do we british outnumber the foreign so remember that every one and get ready to say bye bye to Labour 😂
This trans thing is a sideshow. How about concentrating on what the magority want and need first. Then sort the trans lunacy out afterthe important stuff has been done.
Streeting is bullsh*tting.
Give it a rest - who want's to be together with Tories?
I shall NOT be moving to be any closer to any of these people - quite the opposite to be very clear.
For pities sake. I’m voting REFORM These other idiots haven’t a clue what the majority of ordinary people in our country want and need. Change is desperately needed. Only REFORM can make changes for the better because they have listened to us.
So what is Reform going to change? Other than creating more division? I'd rather burn my vote than vote for them.
Least I know what people to ignore, Reform voters are literally fascist.
In the real world, this shouldn't even be an issue, because, in reality, the true number of TRANSEXUALS is tiny.
Because right wingers blow it out of proportion.
As someone who's open to voting Labour, I don't understand why they're coming out with all these last-minute policies that feel like they're aimed at the activist class, rather than the average undecided voter. These policies aren't converting me into a Labour voter.
Because many of us have trans friends?
@@silver4831 Great! The average voter does not.
@dylanparker130 And yet the majority of people are supportive of LGBT people. Don't be a random bigot.
NO TO SIK LABOUR
The census reported that those who identify as "gender diverse" make up about 0.4% of the population. That of course does not just mean people suffering from gender dysphoria, it could include people who say they are "fluid" or "non-binary" etc. The ONS later admitted that people who answered yes to that question were overrepresented amongst respondents whose first language was not English. In other words, a lot of them were foreigners who didn't understand the question.
To the extent that there's even a solid definition of "trans", they are so vanishingly rare they might as well be hypothetical. The fact that it's an issue at all is ludicrous, but also evidence of how much our institutions and discourse have been hijacked by extreme leftism.
Some use trans people as an excuse to start a culture war. Trans people just want to be free to live their lives, without being attacked (either verbally or physically)
@@Skygrey2943exactly, the right wing media are the ones "shoving it in people's faces" people don't realise that the majority of the time when they read or watch anything about trans issues, it's from a tabloid or right wing source.
Left wing people just want trans people to be safe and equal. That's it
It's evidence of how much it's been hijacked by extreme right. Using a non-issue to take up airtime to avoid discussions about the failures of government. A small number of British people asked for dignity and compassion and that didnt need to be hard to give.
Why is my existence a “debate “? All I want to do is just get on with my life in peace and with dignity just like everyone else does. My existence doesn’t impinge upon women’s rights in any way shape or form.
It's so annoying, people with no experience with trans people get bought in by a load of fear mongering.
Blah blah blah, he knows nothing
Easy answer, close all public toilets?
How about more neutral toilets?
1:49 I expect better from Sky News which is supposed to be an impartial, factual broadcaster. Asking whether trans people are more important than women implies that trans rights can only exist at the cost of women's rights, which isn't true. It's obvious that trans women should use the women's bathroom and trans men should use the men's bathroom. All the media coverage has been saying labour should support trans rights less, but in reality a lot of people think they should be doing more.
Picking up on a smaller party promising the earth, knowing they won't be held to account isn't patronising in the slightest either. I'm sick of these wannabe celebrity journos.
Third attempt. Slight problem, they are not women so should not use the women's bathroom and they are not men so should not use the men's bathroom.
Did Sly News suddenly become impartial? Did I blink and miss that brief moment?
Once he got in, the mask came fully off and Wes Streeting has revealed himself to be a Tory in all but name.
What on earth was that "who's more important?" question, disgraceful
Very patronising attitude towards smaller parties considering the Lib. Dems. have been in government more recently than Labour.
someone out there actually wants to vote for this guy
There's a lot of troubled people around.
Yep, thankfully they wave english flags and vote reform loudly...
He hasn't done his homework on this. Its obvious he just read the report just before the interview.
Unemployment is rising in the UK... but Sunak is sending tax money to others war
They’re not in yet and already they’re wasting time on something that affects hardly anyone.
Here we go Tick Box minister For Tick Box party 🥳 🎊 🎉
Vote for Labour the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. 🥴
Isn't that literally the Conservative party?
Yet another reason not to voted labour.
lmao they banned puberty blockers W
If I identify as a millionaire, my bank balance doesn't change.
I will not be voting Labour. End.
What’s the degrading ways they have to endure to change they’re ID - no one ever says
Off what I've read, it's the two year wait (Not a waiting list, but having to live and show proof of living as the opposite gender for two years) and the approval of a full panel of doctors and lawyers that will effectively question them on it. That to some people feels like an interrogation and feels degrading as they put it.
@@Tesyky cheers thanks 👍
A long and complicated form that is submitted to an opaque commitee meeting twice a year which can reject at will. Note that to apply requires various reports which can cost a substantial amount of money (and possibly require a fresh diagnosis for someone already diagnosed as the original diagnosis might not be accepted for a variety of reasons).
And all this changes is birth certificate (allowing marraige, etc). It has zero impact on access to spaces, passports, driving licences, etc.
@@katywalker8322 Looks like someone knows more than me, thanks for the input! (Didn't know about the costs part, that must be terrible)
@@Tesyky , the reports must be from a list of approved people. If the person who gave the diagnosis is no longer accepted (could have died for example) then that is an issue. Similarly writing the acceptable diagnosis letters is not a core function for the Gender Identity Clinics, so they might not provide them.
I know a lot of trans people, a lot of them are post surgery. Not that many have bothered to go through the hoops to get a gender recognition certifcate.