@Michał Bryza If you tell Elon Musk it's impossible than he will do it ! Lol 🤣🤣. Hold my beer I gotta do another impossible thing lol. This guy is single handedly colonizing Mars and trying to save our planet. I would not doubt Elon.
Love is not the seed of evil, neither is the love for power and fame, nor greed, imo it creates mental conditioning. Oppression and lies are the same in my eyes because your lies oppress someone's conception and perception of reality with any lie and there's no telling how much damage it can cause across time it's self. Remember it's Together not To-Get-Her I don't want a wall of texts so don't even get me started on my conecpt of opressive mindsets
Everyone tells me that man cant travel at the speed of light BUT that is untrue, if humanity survives into the digital consciousness age (SOONER THAN LATER) we will be able to transmit our consciousness our "mind" into space as a radio transmission to a receiving host or infrastructure like the tesla bot. leaving earth becomes almost entirely free with the added bonus of no loss of life/avatar, no pollution . THIS WILL HAPPEN IF SOCIATY STAYS GLUED TOGETHER!!!!
your edit tho lol, im assuming you came to the same conclusion that the speed of light and the speed of a radio transmission both travel at 186000MPS ;) never the less 'IF" we keep progressing at any level we can only assume this is a possible future scenario, I mean come on if someone like me can think this up in 2021 what will be going on in 50-100 years from now. we will always have uphill challenges as humanity but things will evolve regardless. Maybe our level of tech already supports receiving some other type of foreign digital consciousness and its already working with Elon's toys (automated factory's acting as an extension and bridge per say) just waiting for the right moment.....everyone thinks little green men will come running out of a metal trash can but do you really think this is how an advanced being would travel or communicate through the cosmos...I think not its just not efficient and sounds insulting to all other intellectual life ?
Oh they'll definitely interrupt. I remember them laughing at Elon and ridicule him that reusable rockets and electric cars are IMPOSSIBLE. Do you notice how you don't find them anywhere unless Elon comes up with a new project? It's because they looked stupid after making these claims as if they already know what they're talking about. They are the same people that doubted the impossible technologies that we have today. They even go as far as to stop these visionaries from achieving the impossible because they don't want to get proven wrong. These people are literally the embodiment of the "all talk no action'' type. So the only people they love to criticize or put down are the "less talk more action" types. It's a pattern within itself it is not hard to miss how others behave in such a way. Perhaps it's just human nature and it tends to repeat itself. Or maybe because of their upbringing that made them that way that if something is impossible thou shall not pursue.
@@johnnyson7474 Neither e-cars, nor reusable rockets were considered impossible. For anyone knowing a bit of science, Elon Musk is a little boy playing around. Guy's a con man and sociopath.
@@pneumantic6297 unfortunate for NASA's engineers to not believe this was possible but good thing someone made it happened while getting laughed at by NASA's engineers
The moment he said "download your brain to a CD"...wow. So you don't just totally lie about what Elon said, you make the lie blatant by referencing a piece of hardware that hasn't been in use since I was a small child. It's really hard to take him seriously. Would have felt really different if he praised Neuralink's accomplishments and took the opportunity to brag about the groundwork his research laid. I think he may have gotten more popularity that way.
He as someone who is honestly looking out for humanity, unlike musk, he don't give a shit about popularity. He's pissed that he has to scratch and claw for every penny he gets for his provable research. While musk gets handed 100s of millions because people think he's Tony stark
This brain scientist is not looking for popularity He is trying to warn people against this Neurolink insanity. But of course it's up to the people if they want to be turned into zombies cyborgs
I am pretty sure the reason he used a CD in this case is to show just how insanely limited current storage technology is compared to our brain. It is estimated that our brain has a storage capacity in the petabyte range but that would likely not be enough since it takes likely more information to describe the stored information and the way it is stored, than to just store the information itself (you need the first one to be able to use the second one though). Even if we assume the absolut lowest end one petabyte. The absolut maximum per-drive storage capacity at the moment is 100GB, you would need at least 10 of them (probably more to have some redundancy) but each costs 40‘000$, so that is not exactly feasible. Currently the price per TB of hard drive storage is roughly 15-20$, lets use 15$. That means it still costs 15‘000$ without any redundancy to store the smallest assumption of what our brain is capable of.
Maybe we should worry about knowing much more about the nature and dynamics of proteins, enzymes, DNA first, at the molecular and macro levels so we can handle Failures and Uncertainties
Strong "Old Man Yelling From Porch" vibes. So much saltiness coming off the screen from Nicolelis, my blood pressure spiked. In all seriousness, there are several disqualifying issues here. First is how he plainly mischaracterizes Elon's statements six ways to Sunday. Miguel is also acting like it's Musk who's doing the work, rather than literally a host of ambitious younger people in the field, some of whom no doubt idolize Nicolelis. Maybe even some who were trained by him? And let's not even go in on him making hard statements on what is and isn't and will and won't ever be possible. As per usual, the *results* produced by the *army of geniuses* led by Elon - who guide Elon on what is doable as he in turn guides them on what is possible - will speak for itself as time goes on.
@@gamerfortynine Exactly. Neuralink is carrying the state of the art forward and bringing in cross-disciplinary collaboration that other labs couldn't manage but that Elon with his umbrella of resources can. Nobody's promising uploaded minds within the decade or whatever. Neuralink publishes papers too - their advances will help humanity figure out exactly how much is doable and how to do it decades faster than otherwise. Throwing shade is counterproductive.
@@Jevaughn Small minded people throw shade when they see others accomplish what they could not. Nicolelis may be smart in some ways, but that doesn't mean he isn't short sighted and stupid in others. Anyone taking a hard stance that technology will NEVER be capable of doing something that is allowed by physics is guaranteed to be proven wrong (eventually). This pattern of technology has been repeated so many times that anyone who can't see it is an idiot. Elon understands this pattern of technology progress far better than most and he has learned to optimize for it and we can all see the successful outcomes at Tesla and SpaceX as a result.
The speed at which private tech companies move these days is light years faster than the snail that is academia. The ol' salty prof is seeing 30 years of budget and time constrained university research eclipsed by private progress, apparently eclipsed by orders of magnitude. Imagine the things ol' saltsman Nicolelis could do with Neuralink resources and development speed. (They are hiring... Nicolelis... and the boss might laugh off the insults.)
@@gumstuckinmypocket A lot of people used to the snails pace and low expectations of academia can't adapt to or survive in the cooperate world. And Elon's has higher expectations than most. There have been staff who came from academia who dropped out of Neuralink, likely for these reasons. Nicolelis would never be able to cope with having to achieve measurable results in short periods of time.
He seems to be confusing advancements with invention. Just because a new electric vehicle is not that different than an old electric vehicle, doesn't mean it is not a novel approach and a significant advancement.
@@brilliantly_me All of our energy needs and much more can be solved with solar, wind, and energy storage / batteries (such as Tesla mega packs). We’re just not there today. It will take a major shift (which I think is coming) to move away from our fossil fuel infrastructure, but if we don’t, well why even wake up in the morning, because we’re all f’d.
@@liamhackett513 LOL. Six different companies took the public domain idea and are today working on hyperlinks. Even China has plans to build one. You don't sound smart when you say things like that.
“When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong”. - Arthur C. Clarke (First Law).
@@turtleninja4032if you can dream it, you can make it!! I've been a space pilot in VR and am extremely grateful for the times we live in, even though everything's horse shit at the same time.
@@turtleninja4032 as long as you aren’t breaking the laws of physics, yes. You have to remember that, it it’s core, the world is just a cluster of atoms. Once we start manufacturing on the atomic scale, that’s more or less the end game. Atomic scale manufacturing and a complete understanding of consciousness and the human brain are the two big components to immortality, tbh.
As a Brazilian, I can say with confidence that there is a plague in our culture called envy. A lot of Brazilians grew up in a culture of looking down on others people achievements, fake humble and just overall a criticizing mindset of work from others. Especially if they had a head start, like, rich parents, help from someone successful, even being born in a good environment is enough to have people looking down on your work and achievements. Not saying this is the case, but... sure as shit looks like it.
Síndrome de vira lata é foda, faz até você pensar que inveja é coisa de brasileiro... É triste ver como uma pessoa não conhece o mundo e reduz tudo a sua pequena vivencia.
E se por acaso outras culturas tiverem o mesmo problema, vai mudar o fato? Eu acho que inveja e egoísmo é característica humana, mas que por aqui é bem visível. é sim. @@RhuanPacheco
The fact that Nicolelis brings up "patents" tells you absolutely everything you need to know about this situation and his commentary henceforth. SMDH...
He honestly sounds like a jealous ass rich kid who can’t get past a level and gets pissed off that someone else can. He’s probably stumped and can’t proceed further with his ideas and so his only retort is to bring up patents and talking bad about Elon and neuro
@@trinityastial5161 Yes!! I think you hit upon the correct reason. He took his BMI research as far as *HE* could go and is now stuck there, so therefor it must be impossible by the laws of physics!
LOL apparently Him and his Uni have patents on the whole BMI concept when it's legally impossible to patent a concept. He might be a pioneer but he also full of shit rn
It’s like watching people arguing about the first flight and the types of planes that developed.. each believed theirs was the answer. I think Elon is going about this the right way by enticing the smartest people to work on the project and putting it the required resources. Overall they will end up with the passenger liner while others have a very focused F22 or a single prop bush plane.
@@adrianaadnan9958 dude what... Women not liking their babies or not liking anyone beside them is a thing but that's a different story. Technology will advance if we want it or not. It will be more and more like a separate entity. We have to merge with it or else we are doomed. You can't stop the progress now.
@@adrianaadnan9958 Elons relationship with his mother is good. She apparently raised a person who cares very much about the world as whole, and by the way, has a shit ton of friends. I don't get what you are going on about.
If someone starts his criticism with insulting that's a huge red flag. See "Elon Musk barely knows where the brain is". The fact that Neuralink's device can access the brain through many more channels and also that deep learning techniques and computing capacity exploded in the recent years might mean that Neuralink can achieve new level of quality in brain/machine interfacing. Elon Musk's team also have a strong product centered approach.
Did you catch his mention of patents? Nicolelis is an ineffectual old man yelling off his porch that he wants credit now that someone else is actually making tremendous progress.
That old man's just butthurt because for his entire lifetime he's only been able to work with a fraction of the bandwith that musk is playing around with so yeah he probably feels a little pissed about that🤣 if they compete against each other or if they join forces either way it's a win for the team✌😎✌
@@MadLabZ Neuralink products don't work they publish little to nothing so there really isn't a way to determine if anything they publish in their marketing material is actually working. Musk does this all the time like when he made Tesla bail out his failed Solar City company. Elon is extremely good at one thing and one thing only, getting political government funding. Even Tesla is only making money due to complicated emission credits they get from other car companies. Also his factories are almost completely financed by the government if they where actually going out of Tesla the company would never be profitable.
@@FilipCordas that's one brutal pill I refuse to swallow however I will be unbiased about the situation and say that since Max left I'm sure they are expected to take a massive hit and what a prime-time for a disgruntled old head to chime in about something he felt like he should have the spotlight on long ago and please don't play stupid we all know the Elon Musk is not the single-handed scientist for every single business that he procuress or develops he is a man that knows what he wants and goes for it why waste time developing something that someone else has already developed you take that developed research and build upon that speeding up progression even more also if he doesn't do it someone will this is not some sci-fi far-fetched story facts show that neuralink works along with many other BMI teams around the world
Exactly. To say that "Elon Musk doesn't even know where the brain is." He's clearly annoyed that someone else is claiming they can do something he can't and not giving him credit for his work in the space.
yeah...unfortunately this "expert" sounds like his knowledge/understanding has long since stagnated and he is no longer open to what is possible with current technology. you see it all the time, pioneers who just don't keep themselves open to the new just stagnate in the old and become irrelevant. this guy is on his way and adds being jealous on top of this. all of this is especially noticeable in that zoom call with his students via his tone and dismissiveness. its kind of sad.
Nicolelis recently retired. So he's just a curmudgeonly old scientist yelling from the porch of his retirement home. He didn't accomplish all that much for his many decades of work and he is now clearly jealous of others who will accomplish much more in much less time. Nicolelis is setting the tone for how he will be remembered, which will likely be poorly when remembered at all 20+ years from now.
@@Me__Myself__and__I "He didn't accomplish all that much for his many decades of work". Nicolelis is THE name in the field. Neuralink is essentially based in his discoveries. But yeah he should be cherishing and not dismissing which is sad.
Very smart people who dedicate themselves to a specific field of work often narrow their views of what is possible for good reasons. Creativity and innovation requires out of the box thinking. Both are useful tools at the right time.
And very smart people drop that idea if necessary. Amazon sells a lot of things and does a lot of work things. It focus is selling “economy of scale” which makes it not have a focus as it sells and does variety. The same applies to Google.
"curing mental ilness with a chip implanted in your brain" that's one of their claims, which are pseudocience, only to get more money from VC. Neuralink is taking steps to become Theranos 2.0.
Lot of the comments talking crap about Nicolelis without any research on the guy whatsoever. He is a true neurologist with a post PHD who achieved remarkable things in the field of neuroscience and a true expert with 5+ decades of career in academia. While Elon Musk is just a billionaire who wants to achieve great things and leave a legacy but is not knowledgeable technically speaking in any of the fields of the companies he own. Nicolelis dedicated his life to figuring out how to make Parkinson’s disease and damaged medula patients to recover their mobility through technology and brain integration so he is more than qualified to speak on the subject. Also he strongly believes that we should not limit our brains to artificial intelligence as it is nothing but data from the past, and our brains are more complex than that.
Nicolelis seems to be quite knowledgeable and intelligent person. However, his words about Neuralink and Elon seem to be rather based on emotion. Also, it's not very smart to bet against what technology can achieve eventually. People discuss way more impossible things than this - superluminal spaceship engines (warp drives), for example. Serious designs for such have been theoretically proposed by professional scientists. I think that full scale brain-machine interfaces are possible and will be achieved in under 10 years from now.
I agree. Nicolelis is approching this from his lab. Elon has a Ai supercomputer going online for tesla that he will lend processing to Neuralink this will allow insane advancements that will interpret and decode the signals coming out of our brain and the stimuli as input. that alone will gain hung advancements.... BUt look over there it's a Tesla Robot! Now we can tie that to give amputee's replacement limbs.... Adding simple sensor that then go to nuralink to tell the brain "what" the limb is touching or "how hard" the grip is. Mind bending advancements.
imagination is creation, look at your computer or cell phone and think to yourself how many ideas, imagination and people did it take to create your device ? probably thousands of parts and pieces each part had to be dreamed up, imagined, and then created....almost like a symphony of minds and creation all leading up to well i cant tell you the ending and that ok :)
Yeah some of Elon’s aspirations with neuralink seem far fetch, especially for our current level of knowledge on the brain and consciousness. But to totally disregard any achievement of neuralink easily makes him appear biased, emotional or have a hidden agenda.
If some elderly and distinguished scientist says something is possible he's most likely right. When he says something is not possible he's most likely wrong.
This is the first of Arthur C. Clarke's "Three Laws": 1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. 2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. 3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
We don't really understand the situation, for example there are statements in mathematics that have been proven to be neither provable or disprovable. It doesnt mean that it is just very difficult to prove, but quite litterally impossible. I dont know if thats the case here but i am pretty sure it is
Great video. Sour grapes from an old academic... I'm sure that he has done great work for BMI and neuroscience, but he's clearly bummed out that he is not in the spotlight. Petty
Before you defend Elon's """genius""", remember that Nicolelis is the guy who actually came up with all that tech, Neuralink founders were his students, and Musk is only a marketer.
They also had electric cars 100 years ago. That didnt stop Elon from making it better. Nicolelis is an expert in the field , but i also have a feeling his butthurt that someone else is having a go at anwsering questions his been unable to so far. I fully support them both and also the dream that this tech can make people in wheelchairs walk again.
Sure we may have had electric cars for 100+ years in fact there was electric cars BEFORE gas, the reason why they weren’t implemented is that the battery technology was wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse and the range and speed for the first electric car were nothing compared to the first gas cars. So electric cars started selling I’m the 2000s because the battery technology was finally competitive to gas
Scientists discover knowledge. Engineer take that knowledge and make use of it. Scientists take the things that engineers make to help them discover more, and so the cycle continues.
@@MM-nx8dt If we depended exclusively on scientific theories, we wouldn't have bicycles or airplanes, as we don't have a solid physics that explains balance or lift.
It’s worth reviewing what we know: It has 1,024 channels of output. It is completely sealed. It is fitted by robot. The AI software learns to correctly interpret the signals within hours. The first versions will probably cost $20k - $50k. Is there anybody else in the world doing anything remotely close to this?
I wish more company and scientist worked on something like this and to this extend. Even if it's wishful promise (the timeline) it's still better than what we have now. Wouldn't you say? I really don't wanna fan boy but It's not the person I am fascinated with, it's the seemingly plausible ideas that he brings to my attention that no one else does, whether it be fully automatic electric car, Space travel or merging with AI.
I love that neuralink is moving progressively but I can assure you there are a vast ocean of other equally interesting ways to interface with the mind using sound frequencies and different Optical pattern sequences something also think about how a Tesla car perceives the world around itself we are basically just an advanced version of that so I can deduce Humanity down to just a fancy sensor for the collective consciousness cause😎sorry its happy hour for me so ViBN to the future.
I heard that some university labs have something similar. But they do not have enough funding for robotically placing the electrodes. So they have much less (working) electrodes. Most of the work Neuralink does is trying to turn the research which was already done, into a working product. They do some truly original research too, but relatively little, so they do not want to publish. Their implementation details are basically business secrets.
@@adamrak7560 well considering they have a non-invasive and invasive version I would imagine it in the future something like starlink would be able to read your brain waves with a proper calibration and improper equipment kind of creepy to think about😎
I listened to Miguel's full interview on Ladan's podcast. He sounded lot like Bob Lutz during early Tesla stage. Although this might one of the biggest challeenge for Elon, I loved when Miguel said, "it's impossible to do what he's claiming becuase it's against the law of physics." A brain solution limited by physics, i'll take my chances with Elon. 😎😎😤😤
Nickola and Daimler made similar assertions on the Tesla Semi. “If Tesla really delivers on this promise, we’ll obviously buy two trucks - one to take apart and one to test because if that happens, something has passed us by. But for now, the same laws of physics apply in Germany and in California.” Daimler’s head of trucks, Martin Daum
It's fascinating how quickly he jumps from [What they're promising is impossible!] to [We did that first in our lab!] without a hint of irony. The envy is so opaque that it's almost uncomfortable to watch. What do the kids these days call it? Oh yes.... Cringe.
In the summer of 1954, I told my Fatherinlaw that we were going to the Moon and was politely told that I was crazy. It took 15 more years but we did it.
So Neuralink is impossible? Good! That means Elon will find a way of doing it!! He has done this with everything he has tried and this will be no exception.
Musky is into technocracy like his granddaddy. I don't know how you feel about technology ruling all but I don't much care for the idea. Especially if it's 'mandated' (lol) for everyone to integrate technology into them & their children's bodies.
Dr. Nicolelis just seems salty because Elon made more progress in a year than he did in decades. His argument is like saying that because he invented the first pong console, that Elon inventing the Nintendo NES is the same, it is one thing to create an expansive low volume basic product, it is a whole different ball game to design a low cost complex mass-produceable one. Plus I would be curious to know how difficult it is to install their probes and if they can easily remove them with very little scarring or trauma like Neuralink.
Nicolelis is a curmudgeonly old man yelling from the porch from his retirement home. The physical implant technology, being self contained and the surgery robot are things no one else has done. Those are the things that would be required for real-world useable adoption in many people. So for those things alone Neuralink is way ahead of everything else and inventing things no one else has done - but you don't see Nicolelis giving them ANY credit for any of that.
"the problem with smart people is that they often think they are way smarter than they really are" - Elon Musk I mean, Everyone seem to doubt Elon, from Neil Armstrong, who said that he didnt believe in SpaceX and Elon. Another expert in the field but wildly wrong. When Elon talked about the chance of POSSIBILITY of "inserting" information or knowledge to the brain he said that would need the help of an stronger AI to learn and understand your brain so good it could be possible. Please for the love of god, dont ever say "It is impossible, he is just dumb" when you compare to what AI could do, cause the fact is WE DON'T KNOW how much they could do. Don't be like Alibaba creator Jack Ma saying "Nothing can be smarter than humans" cause that is such ignorance...
Amazing coverage! I really appreciate this level of detail. Great job, Ryan and thanks. Edit: It’s quite possible that Elon’s claims could be wrong…BUT..it’s important that we try and fail to say whether or not a claim IS impossible. It’s our duty, as human beings, to learn from our past, fail in our present to secure our future.
miguel mixes up some things in his statements against elon or neuralink. I am surprised that he is against it instead of wanting to work on it ... I mean he would have the possibility to finish what he has started many years ago.
@@karlenter2380 huh so far the most glaring examples would be creating reusable rockets when everyone else said it was impossible. And creating an electric vehicle that is better in every metrics than ice vehicles. Of course I could go on about the boring company and it's electric boring machines that are already multiple times more efficient than anything else that was ever created on the planet. And then we go into transitioning the whole globe to renewable energies with mega battery packs and better solar. Would you like me to go on?
Connecting a computer to a brain probably isn't technically impossible. However, we are still a long way away from that - and the way Neuralink approaches the problem really sounds weird even to somebody with limited knowledge in the field. It will turn out just like Theranos, mark my words.
He sounds like he definitely knows what he's talking about but also he sounds like he is not using the cutting edge tech. Elon has access to the most advance tech in the world not only because of the money he has but also because he is a tech developer.
This guy sounds like a crusty old man.. He's gotten credit where credit is due. Just seems like another entitled professor shooting innovation down to preserve his spotlight.
Even at the very least, for scientific research Neuralink will be revolutionary. Consider high resolution sampling of 4k-1M neurons in various regions all over the brain, this will enable mapping out on a more intimate level the functionality of all regions of the brain (well dependent on how far probes can be inserted). While we know generally how the motor and sensory cortices map to the body, it's unlikely this has been well documented in a 3D model of the brain, and unlikely that we have details of precisely how many neurons map to one's right index finger, and so on, is there a continuum kind of like unwrapping a 3D skin on to a 2D texture, does the exact position vary, and how does the calibration differ between brains of the same species. The same could be applied to the visual cortex/optic nerve, audio, smell, taste, emotion, cerebellum, and various mid-brain activity (to better understand how those components regulate the body). A lot is possible, and will really give us a better understanding of how the brain works at a more fundamental level. What makes up our visual cortex space, and could you add extra content i.e. widen the FOV or introduce an entirely new sense like temperature by stimulating some neurons with varying amounts proportional to the measured body temperature? They say the brain is very plastic (can adjust and adapt to different sensory & motor requirements), this could be very fascinating.
It's like the first man invented the telescope, after he heard someone else built a telescope 1,000 times more powerful and arguing: there's nothing new to see, go home!
The problem with academic scientists is that they often don't understand the difference between grant focused science and product engineering. The first step is to take the existing state of the art and instantiate it into a useful product platform, and lower the barrier of application by several orders of magnitude. As you disseminate the state of the art to its broadest available user base, you, in like measure, start to establish a forcing function to push the state forward. This is how you accelerate a technological trend line. Elon isn't interested in publishing endless papers for the sake of self-aggrandizement. He has an objective, and he wants to get there by the quickest most direct path forward, and he know how that's done, which isn't toiling away for decades on in a lab somewhere publishing papers on what people perceive to be unique approaches.
I look forward to you replaying Dr. Nicolelis’ comments after Elon Musk and Neuralink have succeeded. It always frustrates me to see experts in technological fields expressing such shortsightedness; by which, they are seemingly unaware of, or simply refuse to acknowledge, the exponential growth of technology.
Problem is Elon doesn't know what he doesn't know, which makes him somewhat dangerous. As one who actually lives daily with a Deep Brain Stimulator, I don't want a great pretender, and usurper of other's hard work, anywhere near my brain.
I love hearing about these 'experts' They are the ones who said man could not fly. There are still some around today who believe that the earth is flat.
The criticism is coming from a person that is declaring ownership of the concept of BCI. Seems that he goes out of his way to poison the public well. Maybe he wants to sue?
I've already encountered multiple Brazilian researchers claiming that Elon's efforts are either fruitless or too complicated to be even presentable in simple terms as he has done multiple times already. As a Brazilian myself, I think that, because of how we where taught watching over the news is a great and indispensable way of staying informed, we tend to get stuck at the surface level information presented by sensationalistic news outlets. Also, I THINK that, because we live on a third world country, in terms of new and upcoming technologies, instead of acquiring new information and drawing hypothesis and assumptions based on our prior knowledge, we tend to draw immediate conclusions because of our overall lack of touch with technological advancements and marksmanship that we and our parents have failed to grasp (But I'll have to look that up ;P.)
Se o Musk conseguir que uma pessoa incapacitada recupere pelo menos um pouco de suas capacidades, logo no início do projeto, já vai ser um grande avanço.
@@fernandobernardo6324 Só trazendo algo à ser discutido e reforçando a ideia de que nada é garantido quando o tempo entra em questão. Eu meio que generalizei o pensamento crítico apresentado pelo Dr. Miguel Nicolelis pra todo brasileiro, mas sem concretizar nada, justamente pra gerar discussão e reforçar o meu segundo ponto de que o correto é não trazer conclusões baseadas em experiências passadas, mas sim, trazer hipóteses. Se o jeito sarcástico do Brasileiro de duvidar de toda nova tecnologia não tem nada a ver com que eu mencionei, eu adoraria que alguém trouxesse uma contra-proposta. Por exemplo, eu sei que eu tô errado principalmente por incluir o próprio Dr. Nicolelis, que trabalhou tantos anos nesse ramo fora do Brazil, na questão de que o nosso país está consideravelmente atrasado na busca por novas tecnologias, só queria ver se alguém iria me corrigir.
"Reusable rockets are impossible." "Making compelling electric vehicles are impossible." I see a pattern here where Elon's companies do the impossible.
The Doctor has legitimate concerns but he lacks Imagination and is conflicted. how would you feel if you had invested your life into researching something, some newcomer makes claims to do something you had never thought possible, with those claims, popularizers your field of research and then is seen as one of the leading thinkers.
Elon Musk will leave Nickelalice in the dark ages with his lab rats. Elon's mind works so fast he already knows how he's going to win and leave others look like they are standing still or walking backwards.
All the while doing it in a way that is more conscious of the sensitivity of the animals he works with. You can judge an individual on how they treat other life forms.
As a supporter of Neuralink, its easy to get ruffled feathers here. But scientists like Nicolelis, despite the envy, are helping keep the big picture and history of the science in hand. It's good for any form of scientific advance to have constraints. Innovation should be guided by sound theory.
If he has CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (that didn't come off as personal attacks) and well founded doubts (rather than "It can never be done!" without identifying a first principle of science as to why) you'd be right. Unfortunately if someone isn't paying him to trash Elon and Neuralink(Elon has lots of big enemies now for just about every one of his companies), he comes off as a bit jealous or resentful and thus he is overdoing his criticism at the minimum. Of course this means he becomes easy to dismiss entirely, which is unfortunate.
There may be plenty of reason to speculate the unlikelihood of sci-fi level BMI tech happening anytime soon, but you do not have to break the laws of physics to improve the capabilities of BMI over time. Elon may not be a neuroscientist, but he does know computers and AI. It's generally a good idea to have a team of specialists collaborate to solve a problem together, rather than attempt to figure it out solo. He didn't exactly build a space-faring rocket all by himself either, as amusing that may be to imagine.
I bet you think Tesla will achieve Full Self Driving next year and that Tesla will sell 20 million cars /year someday, just because Elon Musk said so. Right? Btw, why did you put that photo of an asian guy in the bottom corner? Is that like watermark of yours? You put watermark on someone else’s content?
7 years ago any rocket scientist would've told you landing a spent booster back on earth was impossible. 11 years ago any automotive engineer would've told you that making an electric car that can compete with an ICE car in price and performance was impossible. Impossible just means Elon Musk hasn't done it yet.
I think an important thing to keep in mind is that Neuralink is working on operationalizing former lab research on a large scale, much like how Tesla is utilizing machine learning state of the art in its FSD stack. Like you mentioned, Neuralink is absolutely not denying that its work builds on prior art, so I definitely am not convinced by the “copycat” argument.
No, absolutely not. The former heads of Neuralink were doing something sensible with it as they wanted to help people with prosthesis etc. Then came Elon who had watched too many sci-fi movies and promised you could download knowledge and skills to your brain like they do in The Matrix and he also promised you could upload your brain into a computer. I mean COME ON!!! Not ONE fucking critical question from ANY journalist ANYWHERE?!? Jesus fucking Christ people, are you that gullible?!
(5:45) "One thing I've learned ... is that (Elon) prioritizes accuracy and therefore speaks extremely literally" + (11:39) "Due to Elon's well-known first principles thinking, it's his M.O." ... You don't know Musk at all. He speaks in ludicrous, over-the-top, narcissistic maximum hyperbole. Always. And demands attention and credit for everything. It's his "M.O."
Nicolelis has been doing this for over 30 years. Neuralink has been doing it for 5 years. In 5 years, Neuralink has caught up to Nicolelis and I might say passed Nicolelis up. The level of advancements in material science alone is beyond Nicolelis expertise. Give it another 5 years and Nicolelis will eat his words and be left in the dust of his old research. What if any, advancements Nicolelis has made in the last 5 years? None. It seems to me he is just trying to gain recognition for himself of old discoveries. As if no one credits him for it. Everyone does, me included. in 24 months it will become clear.
@@LuizFernandodaSilvaBorges Simply because Neuralink have passed Nicolelis' research. All of the technology that Neuralink is creating will be new. One of the areas that Nicolelis has not done is the use AI. Another area is the digitization of the signals. The brain is analog. This is where Nicolelis' research have stopped. He has no expertise in digitization. Another area is technology miniaturization. There are several companies building wafer fabs that can manufacture 3 nanometer chips. Another area is electrode technology. Currently, the electrodes goes straight in. Imagine how the oil industry have done. Early on oil drilling was basically straight down. Then they created an oil drill that can turn in different directions. Now imagine an articulating electrode that can avoid blood vessels and travel deeper to the optimum area of the brain. Another area is the number of nodes per electrode. Imagine having millions of nodes. Another area is .... well you get the picture.
I think you don't understand what science really is. Nicolelis has been researching and getting results for decades. What do you mean by saying Neuralink caught up to him . Nicolelis got results and published them, it means there is no need to re discover or re event things he published that's why it took Neuralink 5 years to "catch up" and litterally do not get almost nothing new.
I was part of the Moore's law advance of IC's as I worked in ECAD for decades. Nicolelis is like someone who invented the transistor, complaining about people moving on to IC's, large scale IC's(LSI), very large scale(VLSI), etc. Exponential advances tend find new capabilities and applications. I think he would be better served to admire Neurolink advances, and potentially even use their devices to advance his own research. Today's world tends to reward those who get involved in "controversy", because it gains clicks, so in a way he is just trying to maintain relevance as he is being passed technologically. He also probably wants to establish some ownership through existing patents. It comes across as sour grapes as the expression goes.
If that is all to be concerned about as the Human brain is being manipulated, ..kind of remind me of the days some would gladly ingests Elixir of highly radio-active potions for their proclaimed curative benefits
His problem is not people doing research, it's: 1. doing research which is highly based or even the same experiments he did, while not giving him nor his predecessors the due credits; 2. turning science into a cheap show. Portuguese sources are way more indepth in these matters.
Yeah it's possible, just very unwise. Solar flares could literally fry the brain. Back during the telegraph Era, a solar flare Inducted so much energy into the wires that some of them Caught on fire. And many of the operators were sending messages With the batteries unhooked. It would be far smarter to develop Massively parrallel EEG systems using gold bowtie nano antennas. Something like a million electrodes and very high temporal Resolution. With the data getting sent to a Neural Network Trained to evolve an interface for the specific brain it's observing. Non invasive, unless you insist on some pain. Tiny gold implants could be implanted in the scalp To boost sensitivity even further. For goods sake, don't be performing brain surgery on people who Don't really need it.
Well why are you so bitter about Neuralink. What do you mean "empty promises"? Do you see the company as some kind of politician? Even politicians cant make promises no one really can it all depends on many many facotrs. I have never said Elon Musk say " I promise". What are you talking about? You just sound bitter to me.
It sounds like Nicolelis is so proud of himself, he's jealous someone may take his research and do something he couldn't do. While he should be proud of his accomplishments, it sounds like it's gotten the better of him. He needs to understand, unless the research goes into a usable product, it's useless. Musk is just the right man for this. He has a proven track record of taking what others think can't be done, assembles a team, and does it. I'm excited to see what Neuralink will do.
1 - "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong." 2 - "The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible." 3 - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke Three Laws of Prediction Hazards of Prophecy: The Failure of Imagination On the other hand, it is common to see entirely unqualified individuals assert what might be possible, for entirely unreasonable reasons... Most of the time, most people, have mostly no idea of what they are actually asserting. This was recently and very nicely encapsulated in this quotable: "We have a large segment of the country that has opted out of reality." ~ Steve Schmidt, former Republican Strategist
It's like saying no one in the future can ever get to work as far as he has. Even in the year 3000. If he can't get it further or see no other ways, move out the way and let others try. I don't like self-limiting thinking.
What I was hearing throughout this video was Miguel Nicolelis saying me, me, me, I, I, I. And from Elon Musk came; We did such and such, and it took Us to develop this. Miguel Nicolelis is more concerned with being recognized in the annals of science as a great scientist than being a great scientist. Yes, he has made some great steps forward but how much more could he achieve if he wasn't so worried about someone else getting the glory. I once worked for a very successful business man when I was a kid. One day i asked him how he was able to be so successful? He replied, " I hire people who can do the job better than me.". This is also Elon Musk in a nutshell.
I recall in 1982 a group of young scientists were able to create an interface that allowed blind people to see through a video aperture. Another group were able to create an interface that allowed audio from a Mic to create sound for deaf people. Innovation comes from people doing the improbable, not impossible. Some scientists (people) cannot step outside of the box and therefore will never be innovators. They are still valuable contributors performing the repetative tasks required in a formula, however asking them to reach beyond their paradigm is like asking them to flap their arms and fly like a bird.
You probably remembered wrong as they are only now have had a successful case in that. Even with modern technology whose sole purpose is to restore vision, the ability to do so just isn't there. What we've been only been able to develop is to restore light and vague images/shapes and only to individuals who at one point went blind from eye problems, our brain isn't built to process the amount of information that a camera would require to bring back 20/20 vision or to even just be not legally blind. A lot of the issues which Musk overlooks talking about with Neurolink is a lot of the problems he's trying to convince people it would fix are issues that most of the time aren't even the fault of the brain. Deafness, Blindness, Addiction, Paralysis are all very much issues that can be local to your body or have nothing to do with the brain in most cases.
Elon is a industrial expert, as in he can take ideas that aren't new or unique and bring them to scale. That is his genius. Do you think Elon was the first to think of electric cars? Or rockets? Or even colonies on Mars? This guy seems like a whiner. Yes the greatest revolutionary changes to society come from Titans of Industry. It came from Edison, not Tesla. That doesn't mean Tesla wasn't smart, or didn't pave the way for numerous break throughs. But to get entire cities powered and light bulbs in every home came from industry. Someone who knows how to translate ideas to something marketable. Elon needs solutions the future problems. He see's no one implementing said solutions. He launches a company and utilizes all his energy to see it become marketable. There is *risk* involved with such endeavors. Such as Skylink just losing 40+ satellites recently. Who flew the first plane? There were government scientists working the problem for decades spending large sums of money in the late 19th and early 20th century. Such innovation isn't in a vacuum, they do rely upon other peoples research as we all do. But their genius is bringing it daily use. The brain interface won't be the hard part. Writing drivers decoding brain waves to specific tasks will be. Especially if we have multiple tasks going on at the same time. Talking and playing a video game and walking. Dr. Nicolelis is using constant Ad Hominem against Elon. This shows a bruised ego. "Doesn't know where the brain is," "Bad Scifi", etc. Maybe he wasn't consulted by Elon when he started the company? "I didn't see anything new". He didn't see anything new in terms of his specialty area. The areas that are new is the scope of the effort, the economical design, and the human focused design, the easy power design. Things a Dr. like this wouldn't care about in his research publishing to new peer reviewed journals. It's an ivory tower professors straight up dismissing engineering and industrial efficiency. Not to mention the speed in which it was achieved. Again, nothing new on the science front, but that isn't their goal. Their goal is to produce a product widely used. Something Dr. Nicolelis probably has zero experience or knowledge of how to achieve.
You are overly charitable towards Musk and don’t comprehend the criticisms. You read Nicolelis’ warning of Duke’s patent over BMI, which precludes Neuralink from using the technology without a license, but you’re takeaway is that Nicolelis felt under appreciated. Musk has a pattern of misleading and manipulating people and speaking on matters for which he lacks any competence, but your defense requires you to take a handful of statements out of context from various other lies and adopt the most favorable interpretation.
It might not be a new idea but I believe that Elon has brought the field to the light of the public. This will allow more to contribute and hopeful bring about advancements that otherwise would've taken many more years to achieve. I don't think Nicolelis' work will be over looked. We often study and learn of the pioneers in the field we research. Instead I'm certain his help would be useful in advancing the field further and possibly help Neuralink better scope what they plan to achieve.
What about clearly state what you plan to achieve to the world and remain strictly within a known and verified boundary. Remember, in no time this effort will be duplicated by other competent parties and hopefully ethics will not be lagging far behind and the interest of the general public will be protected.
@@ralphylaure2527 I'm not necessarily sure what you mean by "state what you plan to achieve to the world" they have already stated what they wish to do with this technology. Also how is a field expected to advance when it is limited to "known and verified boundaries". Regardless, none of the experiments have really pushed the boundaries, all they have done so far is upgrade the tech that is being used in these experiments.
Thanks for this clip Critics of Elon are mostly motivated by their own egos than any real greveience Elon is a master at looking at the future and then motivating real smart people to come join him and create that future
I can't be asked to comment on everything, and sure, I have no formal education on the topic either, but I will mention this: looking at other sources and some of the critics (even ones I don't consider all that trustworthy) I can't help that conclude that the comments by Dr. Nicolelis were in reference to claims like "downloading the brain", "installing a new language" and the like. These are about as sensible as "teaching your computer to grow legs and walk around" or "Learn a language by drinking orange juice". the sensors are relatively few in number and localized in one spot, unable to sense the vast majority of one's brain, never mind that measuring doesn't exactly tell you how it works. "downloading a language into your brain" fails in both the fact that the sensors are going to be in entirely the wrong location, *they are probably not going to be active.* if that's the case, information can't even flow in that direction. Yes, technically all of what was said is ""possible"" but it's as likely as a black hole forming form your computer as you read this. As for the issue of popularity, Neuralink (possibly at the behest of Elon) showed off a reproduction of an experiment first performed by Dr. Nicolelis' team, and attempted to pass of as their own work. Lastly, I'm not convinced Elon knows all that much about most of what he talks about. He's often lied about or heavily implies falsehoods like founding Tesla and being an engineer. Corporate paper trails show the opposite.
Elon Musk understands the microscope and how one can pack 1,000 electrodes into brain tissue. I think Dr. N (M) is referring to the molecular interface that uses sodium and potassium (and other molecules) to generate electrical impulses and nerve conduction in humans. This is contrast to the photons and electrons of the digital subatomic universe. Ultimately, there is a confluence and communication between the 2 systems because the biologic electric impulse can be measured and graphed using voltage and microamps. Obviously, Mr. Musk knows where the brain is. In medical microanatomy, the "interface" is also called the "cell membrane", the interface between 2 cell membranes is called a "junction". In reality, the interface is a physical barrier "linked" by an aqueous medium containing specific positive and negatively charged small and large molecules.
Given that Neuralink has already been demonstrated to have functions good enough to transform many people’s lives on a massive scale (even if it’s only spinal injuries, the sheer numbers are challenging, 290,000 in the US alone), attacking Elon seems unwise, if highly fashionable at the moment, this will not age well.
@@olfrud a chimp was able to play pong within a few hours. The device has 1024 channels and functions without wires penetrating the skin which is important to prevent infections. The video is on the company UA-cam channel.
I appreciated this video giving credence to Nicolelis and Elon/neuralink. For sure, old academics are skeptical of work being done outside the rich mahogany of the university meeting rooms. This is to be expected. Otherwise Nicolelis would have turned his concepts into his own Neura(insert key aspect to company name here). It is fascinating to see such complex problems carefully optimized and I hope it works medically, before it gets turned into a gaming platform.
Though I agree with the shortcomings of "Mahogany University" as a research and educational model for 21st-century problems, this is far more than about Nicolelis and Elon Musk: All brain-bearing creatures should have a voice in this endeavor...
He's not jealous about not being recognised....he's jealous that he wasn't consulted/recruited to the team. Elon prefers people at the leading edge of their field, who can think outside of the box, and are probably younger and less cynical. It's incredible how often you can make the impossible happen, with a group of ambitious brains who simply don't realise it's impossible....so they go and do it anyway. This has been proven. This gentleman is wrong.
Ohh this video is so good, this is the best way to approach this topic and respond to Miguel Nicolei. I think this man is a denier and he is upset with the Neuralink team for stealing him protagonism. His work on this field was amazing and it's sad that he did not get the recognition he deserve, but it seems to me that he doesn't understand the Elon's influence on the public and media, no mention the incredible way Elon works and the achievements he has achieved with the teams of talented people that he bring together.
Nice content! thanks for this. I agree that Neuralink is going too SciFi in some projections. but like you said it was a recruiting presentation. I think neuralink is going down a narrow but pragmatic and practical path that will yield good practical and saleable implementations. However, it is not the full breadth of what we can learn and do in the BMI field. I particular like the direction being taken by Dr Mary Lou Jepsen where they use non invasive techniques to read and stimulate the brain via light..
@@ralphylaure2527 Dunno .. in 10 years we may have a couple of people living on Mars. In 10 years we will have thousands of people with neurallink implants.
I think that Elon Musk's capabilities should never be underestimated. He sees things differently, develops visions, conducts analysis and takes effective progressive action. And over time he is proven to be successful.
Elon Musk fanboys and apologists are honestly just funny to me. Clearly the dude who made this video, as he said, really doesn't know anything about the brain or its function. Many of the claims made by Musk regarding this technology are honestly just laughable to anyone who understands anything about the brain. This isn't a question of whether or not we currently have the technology do download people's consciousness, it is a question of whether it is theoretically possible to do so, which it isn't. It simply cannot be done, and it will never be done. We don't live in a magical fantasy land or a sci-fi universe; we live in the real world. In the real world, your consciousness is not something that can ever be separated from your physical brain. The two things are completely inseparable.
"... barely knows where it's located" He just lost all of his credibility for me with those five words. I don't care who he thinks he is. If you would go back in time to the 30's or the 40's and you would have told someone that in less than a 60 years people will be carrying all the world's knowledge in their pockets, they would have laughed at you. I hate people like this.
Everything is impossible until someone does it.
Damn straight
@Michał Bryza If you tell Elon Musk it's impossible than he will do it ! Lol 🤣🤣.
Hold my beer I gotta do another impossible thing lol.
This guy is single handedly colonizing Mars and trying to save our planet.
I would not doubt Elon.
Love is not the seed of evil, neither is the love for power and fame, nor greed, imo it creates mental conditioning. Oppression and lies are the same in my eyes because your lies oppress someone's conception and perception of reality with any lie and there's no telling how much damage it can cause across time it's self. Remember it's Together not To-Get-Her I don't want a wall of texts so don't even get me started on my conecpt of opressive mindsets
What about living forever? You can never prove it bec UNTIL xD
@@Singularity2060 says you.
"We will _NEVER_ be able to achieve heavier than air flying machines."
Everyone tells me that man cant travel at the speed of light BUT that is untrue, if humanity survives into the digital consciousness age (SOONER THAN LATER) we will be able to transmit our consciousness our "mind" into space as a radio transmission to a receiving host or infrastructure like the tesla bot. leaving earth becomes almost entirely free with the added bonus of no loss of life/avatar, no pollution . THIS WILL HAPPEN IF SOCIATY STAYS GLUED TOGETHER!!!!
@@josephs2137 They are both virtually the same thing.
its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible
your edit tho lol, im assuming you came to the same conclusion that the speed of light and the speed of a radio transmission both travel at 186000MPS ;) never the less 'IF" we keep progressing at any level we can only assume this is a possible future scenario, I mean come on if someone like me can think this up in 2021 what will be going on in 50-100 years from now. we will always have uphill challenges as humanity but things will evolve regardless. Maybe our level of tech already supports receiving some other type of foreign digital consciousness and its already working with Elon's toys (automated factory's acting as an extension and bridge per say) just waiting for the right moment.....everyone thinks little green men will come running out of a metal trash can but do you really think this is how an advanced being would travel or communicate through the cosmos...I think not its just not efficient and sounds insulting to all other intellectual life ?
But at least birds could do it so we had hope but hacking a brain dear , 🤣
NO.
"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it."
Oh they'll definitely interrupt. I remember them laughing at Elon and ridicule him that reusable rockets and electric cars are IMPOSSIBLE. Do you notice how you don't find them anywhere unless Elon comes up with a new project? It's because they looked stupid after making these claims as if they already know what they're talking about. They are the same people that doubted the impossible technologies that we have today. They even go as far as to stop these visionaries from achieving the impossible because they don't want to get proven wrong. These people are literally the embodiment of the "all talk no action'' type. So the only people they love to criticize or put down are the "less talk more action" types. It's a pattern within itself it is not hard to miss how others behave in such a way. Perhaps it's just human nature and it tends to repeat itself. Or maybe because of their upbringing that made them that way that if something is impossible thou shall not pursue.
@@johnnyson7474 Neither e-cars, nor reusable rockets were considered impossible. For anyone knowing a bit of science, Elon Musk is a little boy playing around. Guy's a con man and sociopath.
@@pneumantic6297 unfortunate for NASA's engineers to not believe this was possible but good thing someone made it happened while getting laughed at by NASA's engineers
So please explain as per why is has NASA paired up with space X for several space projects till date ?
@@aceyage You know him? And what is the con he is performing?
Imagine what he said about reusable rockets that land themselves lol
Not a new concept and vertical landing was done before.
@@sprytnychomik around a couple of decades earlier, IIRC.
The problem with landing a rocket is not crushing the bottom. That's what SpaceX achieved the no one could before.
The moment he said "download your brain to a CD"...wow. So you don't just totally lie about what Elon said, you make the lie blatant by referencing a piece of hardware that hasn't been in use since I was a small child. It's really hard to take him seriously.
Would have felt really different if he praised Neuralink's accomplishments and took the opportunity to brag about the groundwork his research laid. I think he may have gotten more popularity that way.
He as someone who is honestly looking out for humanity, unlike musk, he don't give a shit about popularity. He's pissed that he has to scratch and claw for every penny he gets for his provable research. While musk gets handed 100s of millions because people think he's Tony stark
This brain scientist is not looking for popularity
He is trying to warn people against this Neurolink insanity. But of course it's up to the people if they want to be turned into zombies cyborgs
Facts I don’t think Elon ever stated that you could download your brain into a computer much less a CD.
I am pretty sure the reason he used a CD in this case is to show just how insanely limited current storage technology is compared to our brain. It is estimated that our brain has a storage capacity in the petabyte range but that would likely not be enough since it takes likely more information to describe the stored information and the way it is stored, than to just store the information itself (you need the first one to be able to use the second one though).
Even if we assume the absolut lowest end one petabyte. The absolut maximum per-drive storage capacity at the moment is 100GB, you would need at least 10 of them (probably more to have some redundancy) but each costs 40‘000$, so that is not exactly feasible.
Currently the price per TB of hard drive storage is roughly 15-20$, lets use 15$. That means it still costs 15‘000$ without any redundancy to store the smallest assumption of what our brain is capable of.
Maybe we should worry about knowing much more about the nature and dynamics of proteins, enzymes, DNA first, at the molecular and macro levels so we can handle Failures and Uncertainties
Strong "Old Man Yelling From Porch" vibes. So much saltiness coming off the screen from Nicolelis, my blood pressure spiked. In all seriousness, there are several disqualifying issues here. First is how he plainly mischaracterizes Elon's statements six ways to Sunday. Miguel is also acting like it's Musk who's doing the work, rather than literally a host of ambitious younger people in the field, some of whom no doubt idolize Nicolelis. Maybe even some who were trained by him?
And let's not even go in on him making hard statements on what is and isn't and will and won't ever be possible. As per usual, the *results* produced by the *army of geniuses* led by Elon - who guide Elon on what is doable as he in turn guides them on what is possible - will speak for itself as time goes on.
@@gamerfortynine Exactly. Neuralink is carrying the state of the art forward and bringing in cross-disciplinary collaboration that other labs couldn't manage but that Elon with his umbrella of resources can. Nobody's promising uploaded minds within the decade or whatever. Neuralink publishes papers too - their advances will help humanity figure out exactly how much is doable and how to do it decades faster than otherwise. Throwing shade is counterproductive.
lol he is so salty he isn't getting credit. He needs to relax and keep researching and his time for the news headline will come
@@Jevaughn Small minded people throw shade when they see others accomplish what they could not. Nicolelis may be smart in some ways, but that doesn't mean he isn't short sighted and stupid in others. Anyone taking a hard stance that technology will NEVER be capable of doing something that is allowed by physics is guaranteed to be proven wrong (eventually). This pattern of technology has been repeated so many times that anyone who can't see it is an idiot. Elon understands this pattern of technology progress far better than most and he has learned to optimize for it and we can all see the successful outcomes at Tesla and SpaceX as a result.
The speed at which private tech companies move these days is light years faster than the snail that is academia. The ol' salty prof is seeing 30 years of budget and time constrained university research eclipsed by private progress, apparently eclipsed by orders of magnitude. Imagine the things ol' saltsman Nicolelis could do with Neuralink resources and development speed. (They are hiring... Nicolelis... and the boss might laugh off the insults.)
@@gumstuckinmypocket A lot of people used to the snails pace and low expectations of academia can't adapt to or survive in the cooperate world. And Elon's has higher expectations than most. There have been staff who came from academia who dropped out of Neuralink, likely for these reasons. Nicolelis would never be able to cope with having to achieve measurable results in short periods of time.
He seems to be confusing advancements with invention. Just because a new electric vehicle is not that different than an old electric vehicle, doesn't mean it is not a novel approach and a significant advancement.
Yeah, for being so supposedly intelligent Nicolelis is showing himself to be rather short sighted, egotistical and dumb.
@@brilliantly_me All of our energy needs and much more can be solved with solar, wind, and energy storage / batteries (such as Tesla mega packs). We’re just not there today. It will take a major shift (which I think is coming) to move away from our fossil fuel infrastructure, but if we don’t, well why even wake up in the morning, because we’re all f’d.
The hyper loop. Really bright idea that one. He will say and do anything because the limelight props up the inflated stock value of tesla
@@liamhackett513 LOL. Six different companies took the public domain idea and are today working on hyperlinks. Even China has plans to build one. You don't sound smart when you say things like that.
@@Myrddnn boring multiple layers of tunnels for fleets of electric cars to whizz around in. Really fcking bright idea.
“When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong”.
- Arthur C. Clarke (First Law).
Everything is impossible until someone achieves it.
So that means everything is achievable ?
@@turtleninja4032if you can dream it, you can make it!!
I've been a space pilot in VR and am extremely grateful for the times we live in, even though everything's horse shit at the same time.
@@turtleninja4032 as long as you aren’t breaking the laws of physics, yes. You have to remember that, it it’s core, the world is just a cluster of atoms. Once we start manufacturing on the atomic scale, that’s more or less the end game. Atomic scale manufacturing and a complete understanding of consciousness and the human brain are the two big components to immortality, tbh.
@@Jack-The-Gamer- two big components in a horrifying permanent distopy too, if we mess it up.
Experts also say, landing a rocket is impossible, or a car that runs on batteries, I CAN CONTINUE THE LIST but won’t!
As a Brazilian, I can say with confidence that there is a plague in our culture called envy. A lot of Brazilians grew up in a culture of looking down on others people achievements, fake humble and just overall a criticizing mindset of work from others. Especially if they had a head start, like, rich parents, help from someone successful, even being born in a good environment is enough to have people looking down on your work and achievements. Not saying this is the case, but... sure as shit looks like it.
Síndrome de vira lata é foda, faz até você pensar que inveja é coisa de brasileiro... É triste ver como uma pessoa não conhece o mundo e reduz tudo a sua pequena vivencia.
E se por acaso outras culturas tiverem o mesmo problema, vai mudar o fato? Eu acho que inveja e egoísmo é característica humana, mas que por aqui é bem visível. é sim. @@RhuanPacheco
The fact that Nicolelis brings up "patents" tells you absolutely everything you need to know about this situation and his commentary henceforth.
SMDH...
Yeah, pretty embarrassing.
He honestly sounds like a jealous ass rich kid who can’t get past a level and gets pissed off that someone else can. He’s probably stumped and can’t proceed further with his ideas and so his only retort is to bring up patents and talking bad about Elon and neuro
@@trinityastial5161 Yes!! I think you hit upon the correct reason. He took his BMI research as far as *HE* could go and is now stuck there, so therefor it must be impossible by the laws of physics!
LOL apparently Him and his Uni have patents on the whole BMI concept when it's legally impossible to patent a concept. He might be a pioneer but he also full of shit rn
Exactly. Just made it abundantly clear where he's trying to steer this.
It’s like watching people arguing about the first flight and the types of planes that developed.. each believed theirs was the answer.
I think Elon is going about this the right way by enticing the smartest people to work on the project and putting it the required resources. Overall they will end up with the passenger liner while others have a very focused F22 or a single prop bush plane.
its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible
@@adrianaadnan9958 dude what... Women not liking their babies or not liking anyone beside them is a thing but that's a different story. Technology will advance if we want it or not. It will be more and more like a separate entity. We have to merge with it or else we are doomed. You can't stop the progress now.
Yes a lot like Thomas Edison
@@adrianaadnan9958 Elons relationship with his mother is good. She apparently raised a person who cares very much about the world as whole, and by the way, has a shit ton of friends. I don't get what you are going on about.
@@adrianaadnan9958 Try inductive reasoning with the same topic and produce the results.
If someone starts his criticism with insulting that's a huge red flag. See "Elon Musk barely knows where the brain is".
The fact that Neuralink's device can access the brain through many more channels and also that deep learning techniques and computing capacity exploded in the recent years might mean that Neuralink can achieve new level of quality in brain/machine interfacing. Elon Musk's team also have a strong product centered approach.
Did you catch his mention of patents? Nicolelis is an ineffectual old man yelling off his porch that he wants credit now that someone else is actually making tremendous progress.
That old man's just butthurt because for his entire lifetime he's only been able to work with a fraction of the bandwith that musk is playing around with so yeah he probably feels a little pissed about that🤣 if they compete against each other or if they join forces either way it's a win for the team✌😎✌
@@MadLabZ Neuralink products don't work they publish little to nothing so there really isn't a way to determine if anything they publish in their marketing material is actually working. Musk does this all the time like when he made Tesla bail out his failed Solar City company. Elon is extremely good at one thing and one thing only, getting political government funding. Even Tesla is only making money due to complicated emission credits they get from other car companies. Also his factories are almost completely financed by the government if they where actually going out of Tesla the company would never be profitable.
@@FilipCordas that's one brutal pill I refuse to swallow however I will be unbiased about the situation and say that since Max left I'm sure they are expected to take a massive hit and what a prime-time for a disgruntled old head to chime in about something he felt like he should have the spotlight on long ago and please don't play stupid we all know the Elon Musk is not the single-handed scientist for every single business that he procuress or develops he is a man that knows what he wants and goes for it why waste time developing something that someone else has already developed you take that developed research and build upon that speeding up progression even more also if he doesn't do it someone will this is not some sci-fi far-fetched story facts show that neuralink works along with many other BMI teams around the world
@@FilipCordas Stop watching Thunderf00t and go buy some TSLA stock
Elon is an optimist, optimists gets things done even if it takes longer than estimated. Pessimists don't get things done because they don't even try.
Elon is a con artist
A big thank you from millions of people, to Dr. Miguel Nicolelis!
And many wishes of future success to Neuralink!
We love you
Any scientist that claims an advancement is an 'impossibility' has forsaken the point of the scientific process.
Holy hell, you're absolutely right
Exactly. To say that "Elon Musk doesn't even know where the brain is." He's clearly annoyed that someone else is claiming they can do something he can't and not giving him credit for his work in the space.
@@carolynm8421 he's threatened by Elon and his patents show that.
@@carolynm8421 Basic mature arguing, never use personal insults on the other party if you want to be taken seriously
@@btuttle8 Then Elon shouldn't be taken seriously.
yeah...unfortunately this "expert" sounds like his knowledge/understanding has long since stagnated and he is no longer open to what is possible with current technology. you see it all the time, pioneers who just don't keep themselves open to the new just stagnate in the old and become irrelevant. this guy is on his way and adds being jealous on top of this. all of this is especially noticeable in that zoom call with his students via his tone and dismissiveness. its kind of sad.
yes, he should be cheering Neuralink for making heavy investments to give his scientific discoveries practical applications
Nicolelis recently retired. So he's just a curmudgeonly old scientist yelling from the porch of his retirement home. He didn't accomplish all that much for his many decades of work and he is now clearly jealous of others who will accomplish much more in much less time. Nicolelis is setting the tone for how he will be remembered, which will likely be poorly when remembered at all 20+ years from now.
@@Me__Myself__and__I "He didn't accomplish all that much for his many decades of work". Nicolelis is THE name in the field. Neuralink is essentially based in his discoveries.
But yeah he should be cherishing and not dismissing which is sad.
@@Me__Myself__and__I lmao... You just embarrassed yourself in this comment. Delete it before it's too late.
@@MuitoDaora Its hard not to have a negative opinion of the man considering the statements he has been making. He comes off as petty and jealous.
Very smart people who dedicate themselves to a specific field of work often narrow their views of what is possible for good reasons. Creativity and innovation requires out of the box thinking. Both are useful tools at the right time.
very well said
And very smart people drop that idea if necessary. Amazon sells a lot of things and does a lot of work things. It focus is selling “economy of scale” which makes it not have a focus as it sells and does variety. The same applies to Google.
Elon is a clown and neuralink is a SCAM like everything he does. Go back to school.
It is almost impossible to argue with this comment. Literally.
Now that experts are saying that it definitely won’t work, I’m even more sure that the company will be successful.
"curing mental ilness with a chip implanted in your brain"
that's one of their claims, which are pseudocience, only to get more money from VC. Neuralink is taking steps to become Theranos 2.0.
Lot of the comments talking crap about Nicolelis without any research on the guy whatsoever. He is a true neurologist with a post PHD who achieved remarkable things in the field of neuroscience and a true expert with 5+ decades of career in academia. While Elon Musk is just a billionaire who wants to achieve great things and leave a legacy but is not knowledgeable technically speaking in any of the fields of the companies he own. Nicolelis dedicated his life to figuring out how to make Parkinson’s disease and damaged medula patients to recover their mobility through technology and brain integration so he is more than qualified to speak on the subject. Also he strongly believes that we should not limit our brains to artificial intelligence as it is nothing but data from the past, and our brains are more complex than that.
Nicolelis seems to be quite knowledgeable and intelligent person. However, his words about Neuralink and Elon seem to be rather based on emotion. Also, it's not very smart to bet against what technology can achieve eventually. People discuss way more impossible things than this - superluminal spaceship engines (warp drives), for example. Serious designs for such have been theoretically proposed by professional scientists. I think that full scale brain-machine interfaces are possible and will be achieved in under 10 years from now.
I agree. Nicolelis is approching this from his lab. Elon has a Ai supercomputer going online for tesla that he will lend processing to Neuralink this will allow insane advancements that will interpret and decode the signals coming out of our brain and the stimuli as input. that alone will gain hung advancements.... BUt look over there it's a Tesla Robot! Now we can tie that to give amputee's replacement limbs.... Adding simple sensor that then go to nuralink to tell the brain "what" the limb is touching or "how hard" the grip is. Mind bending advancements.
imagination is creation, look at your computer or cell phone and think to yourself how many ideas, imagination and people did it take to create your device ? probably thousands of parts and pieces each part had to be dreamed up, imagined, and then created....almost like a symphony of minds and creation all leading up to well i cant tell you the ending and that ok :)
Yeah some of Elon’s aspirations with neuralink seem far fetch, especially for our current level of knowledge on the brain and consciousness. But to totally disregard any achievement of neuralink easily makes him appear biased, emotional or have a hidden agenda.
I really hope it'll be available to everyone in 10 years with amazing features 🧡🙏
Nicely said…. And encouraging timeline, although I’m a little more conservative
If some elderly and distinguished scientist says something is possible he's most likely right. When he says something is not possible he's most likely wrong.
couldn't have said it better 👍
This is the first of Arthur C. Clarke's "Three Laws":
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Nailed it.
@@PyriphlegetonI love Clarke's work, how have I not heard of those before? #1 is absolutely correct here.
We don't really understand the situation, for example there are statements in mathematics that have been proven to be neither provable or disprovable. It doesnt mean that it is just very difficult to prove, but quite litterally impossible. I dont know if thats the case here but i am pretty sure it is
Great video. Sour grapes from an old academic... I'm sure that he has done great work for BMI and neuroscience, but he's clearly bummed out that he is not in the spotlight. Petty
Exactly my thoughts too..
Before you defend Elon's """genius""", remember that Nicolelis is the guy who actually came up with all that tech, Neuralink founders were his students, and Musk is only a marketer.
They also had electric cars 100 years ago. That didnt stop Elon from making it better. Nicolelis is an expert in the field , but i also have a feeling his butthurt that someone else is having a go at anwsering questions his been unable to so far.
I fully support them both and also the dream that this tech can make people in wheelchairs walk again.
Sure we may have had electric cars for 100+ years in fact there was electric cars BEFORE gas, the reason why they weren’t implemented is that the battery technology was wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse and the range and speed for the first electric car were nothing compared to the first gas cars. So electric cars started selling I’m the 2000s because the battery technology was finally competitive to gas
Science is cool but engineers are the ones who really end up driving progress and changing the world.
@@MM-nx8dt I think he might be talking about scientists but scientists and engineers are literally the same.
its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible
@@_Scarlet1 No engineers make stuff, scientist ussually use that stuff to investigate further
Scientists discover knowledge. Engineer take that knowledge and make use of it. Scientists take the things that engineers make to help them discover more, and so the cycle continues.
@@MM-nx8dt If we depended exclusively on scientific theories, we wouldn't have bicycles or airplanes, as we don't have a solid physics that explains balance or lift.
It’s worth reviewing what we know:
It has 1,024 channels of output.
It is completely sealed.
It is fitted by robot.
The AI software learns to correctly interpret the signals within hours.
The first versions will probably cost $20k - $50k.
Is there anybody else in the world doing anything remotely close to this?
I wish more company and scientist worked on something like this and to this extend. Even if it's wishful promise (the timeline) it's still better than what we have now. Wouldn't you say? I really don't wanna fan boy but It's not the person I am fascinated with, it's the seemingly plausible ideas that he brings to my attention that no one else does, whether it be fully automatic electric car, Space travel or merging with AI.
I love that neuralink is moving progressively but I can assure you there are a vast ocean of other equally interesting ways to interface with the mind using sound frequencies and different Optical pattern sequences something also think about how a Tesla car perceives the world around itself we are basically just an advanced version of that so I can deduce Humanity down to just a fancy sensor for the collective consciousness cause😎sorry its happy hour for me so ViBN to the future.
Surely, the people saying it will be impossible haven’t ever made progress trying it like the folks achieving small victories this far.
I heard that some university labs have something similar. But they do not have enough funding for robotically placing the electrodes. So they have much less (working) electrodes.
Most of the work Neuralink does is trying to turn the research which was already done, into a working product. They do some truly original research too, but relatively little, so they do not want to publish. Their implementation details are basically business secrets.
@@adamrak7560 well considering they have a non-invasive and invasive version I would imagine it in the future something like starlink would be able to read your brain waves with a proper calibration and improper equipment kind of creepy to think about😎
I listened to Miguel's full interview on Ladan's podcast. He sounded lot like Bob Lutz during early Tesla stage. Although this might one of the biggest challeenge for Elon, I loved when Miguel said, "it's impossible to do what he's claiming becuase it's against the law of physics." A brain solution limited by physics, i'll take my chances with Elon. 😎😎😤😤
Remember, he has warnings for his own AI project, so he knows there is a certain amount of risk. Lots of it.
Nickola and Daimler made similar assertions on the Tesla Semi.
“If Tesla really delivers on this promise, we’ll obviously buy two trucks - one to take apart and one to test because if that happens, something has passed us by. But for now, the same laws of physics apply in Germany and in California.” Daimler’s head of trucks, Martin Daum
interesting to watch such a distinguished neurologist inadvertently neuter his own argument
It's fascinating how quickly he jumps from [What they're promising is impossible!] to [We did that first in our lab!] without a hint of irony.
The envy is so opaque that it's almost uncomfortable to watch. What do the kids these days call it? Oh yes.... Cringe.
In the summer of 1954, I told my Fatherinlaw that we were going to the Moon and was politely told that I was crazy. It took 15 more years but we did it.
Experts are only good at telling you why something is impossible.
- Peter Diamandis
Awesome quote
So Neuralink is impossible? Good! That means Elon will find a way of doing it!! He has done this with everything he has tried and this will be no exception.
Musky is into technocracy like his granddaddy.
I don't know how you feel about technology ruling all but I don't much care for the idea.
Especially if it's 'mandated' (lol) for everyone to integrate technology into them & their children's bodies.
@@angeldna2566 no one said anything about mandate or anything being mandatory...
How's that hyperloop going?
One thing I learned in life is to never bet against Elon Musk.
@@dislike__button and how to recommend videos from a decade ago
Dr. Nicolelis just seems salty because Elon made more progress in a year than he did in decades. His argument is like saying that because he invented the first pong console, that Elon inventing the Nintendo NES is the same, it is one thing to create an expansive low volume basic product, it is a whole different ball game to design a low cost complex mass-produceable one. Plus I would be curious to know how difficult it is to install their probes and if they can easily remove them with very little scarring or trauma like Neuralink.
Completely agree. Salty is the word. Or he has a hidden agenda.
its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible
Nicolelis is a curmudgeonly old man yelling from the porch from his retirement home. The physical implant technology, being self contained and the surgery robot are things no one else has done. Those are the things that would be required for real-world useable adoption in many people. So for those things alone Neuralink is way ahead of everything else and inventing things no one else has done - but you don't see Nicolelis giving them ANY credit for any of that.
@@satoshinakamoto7253 If I remeber correctly, Braingate is using the Utah array with only 100 electrodes. Like I said Pong vs NES, not the same.
"the problem with smart people is that they often think they are way smarter than they really are" - Elon Musk
I mean, Everyone seem to doubt Elon, from Neil Armstrong, who said that he didnt believe in SpaceX and Elon. Another expert in the field but wildly wrong.
When Elon talked about the chance of POSSIBILITY of "inserting" information or knowledge to the brain he said that would need the help of an stronger AI to learn and understand your brain so good it could be possible. Please for the love of god, dont ever say "It is impossible, he is just dumb" when you compare to what AI could do, cause the fact is WE DON'T KNOW how much they could do. Don't be like Alibaba creator Jack Ma saying "Nothing can be smarter than humans" cause that is such ignorance...
how often did we hear "the laws of physics..." etc. until they see that it is possible
Amazing coverage!
I really appreciate this level of detail.
Great job, Ryan and thanks.
Edit: It’s quite possible that Elon’s claims could be wrong…BUT..it’s important that we try and fail to say whether or not a claim IS impossible.
It’s our duty, as human beings, to learn from our past, fail in our present to secure our future.
Can we all just appreciate this comment? Thank you, @Magnamic !
Thanks Magnamic
miguel mixes up some things in his statements against elon or neuralink.
I am surprised that he is against it instead of wanting to work on it ... I mean he would have the possibility to finish what he has started many years ago.
Luckily I can completely ignore this title because I believe in Elon and he has a knack for doing the impossible
You mean trying the impossible. What has he done what looked impossible?
@@karlenter2380 huh so far the most glaring examples would be creating reusable rockets when everyone else said it was impossible. And creating an electric vehicle that is better in every metrics than ice vehicles. Of course I could go on about the boring company and it's electric boring machines that are already multiple times more efficient than anything else that was ever created on the planet. And then we go into transitioning the whole globe to renewable energies with mega battery packs and better solar. Would you like me to go on?
Connecting a computer to a brain probably isn't technically impossible. However, we are still a long way away from that - and the way Neuralink approaches the problem really sounds weird even to somebody with limited knowledge in the field. It will turn out just like Theranos, mark my words.
Probably.
except unlike Theranos we actually have a working model in a monkey, the monkey can control a game with its mind.
He sounds like he definitely knows what he's talking about but also he sounds like he is not using the cutting edge tech.
Elon has access to the most advance tech in the world not only because of the money he has but also because he is a tech developer.
Just a thought, there are many Paths to the top of a mountain ,Elon it’s just on a different path 🤔
Followed same path to the point where it petered out...
Someone just shit on their own reputation
This guy sounds like a crusty old man.. He's gotten credit where credit is due. Just seems like another entitled professor shooting innovation down to preserve his spotlight.
Elon Musk has already done enough things that people thought to be practically "impossible".
Name one. Just one. You cannot because Musk hasn't actually done anything any true expert in the field concerned had said was impossible.
Even at the very least, for scientific research Neuralink will be revolutionary. Consider high resolution sampling of 4k-1M neurons in various regions all over the brain, this will enable mapping out on a more intimate level the functionality of all regions of the brain (well dependent on how far probes can be inserted). While we know generally how the motor and sensory cortices map to the body, it's unlikely this has been well documented in a 3D model of the brain, and unlikely that we have details of precisely how many neurons map to one's right index finger, and so on, is there a continuum kind of like unwrapping a 3D skin on to a 2D texture, does the exact position vary, and how does the calibration differ between brains of the same species. The same could be applied to the visual cortex/optic nerve, audio, smell, taste, emotion, cerebellum, and various mid-brain activity (to better understand how those components regulate the body).
A lot is possible, and will really give us a better understanding of how the brain works at a more fundamental level.
What makes up our visual cortex space, and could you add extra content i.e. widen the FOV or introduce an entirely new sense like temperature by stimulating some neurons with varying amounts proportional to the measured body temperature? They say the brain is very plastic (can adjust and adapt to different sensory & motor requirements), this could be very fascinating.
Why do I get the feeling that Nicolelis is just a little bit butt-hurt?..
Hahaha! Every "expert" always doubts musk in the beginning.
It's like the first man invented the telescope, after he heard someone else built a telescope 1,000 times more powerful and arguing: there's nothing new to see, go home!
The problem with academic scientists is that they often don't understand the difference between grant focused science and product engineering. The first step is to take the existing state of the art and instantiate it into a useful product platform, and lower the barrier of application by several orders of magnitude. As you disseminate the state of the art to its broadest available user base, you, in like measure, start to establish a forcing function to push the state forward. This is how you accelerate a technological trend line. Elon isn't interested in publishing endless papers for the sake of self-aggrandizement. He has an objective, and he wants to get there by the quickest most direct path forward, and he know how that's done, which isn't toiling away for decades on in a lab somewhere publishing papers on what people perceive to be unique approaches.
The fact that he coupled his claim with an insult "he barely knows where it is" tells you all you need to know.
I look forward to you replaying Dr. Nicolelis’ comments after Elon Musk and Neuralink have succeeded. It always frustrates me to see experts in technological fields expressing such shortsightedness; by which, they are seemingly unaware of, or simply refuse to acknowledge, the exponential growth of technology.
Problem is Elon doesn't know what he doesn't know, which makes him somewhat dangerous. As one who actually lives daily with a Deep Brain Stimulator, I don't want a great pretender, and usurper of other's hard work, anywhere near my brain.
@@johnc6786 ITS ELON MUSK HE CAN DO ALL, WE MUST NEVER CRITICIZE HIM
@@johnc6786 people who burnt witches at the stake didn't know what they didn't know. your argument is pointless and contradicted by history.
@@dompit9535 ALL HAIL LORD ELON. THE MAN WHO CAN NEVER BE WRONG. HIS WORD IS THE LAW OF THE LAND
Thanks Neil
I love hearing about these 'experts' They are the ones who said man could not fly. There are still some around today who believe that the earth is flat.
It's nice to see opposing opinions to level out hype. Still optimistic though :)
leveling out hype...
I like the ring of it
The Musk fanboy cult in the comments section is crazy.
They can't stand any kind of criticism...
The criticism is coming from a person that is declaring ownership of the concept of BCI. Seems that he goes out of his way to poison the public well. Maybe he wants to sue?
You forgot to mention the special government treatment they got to keep Tesla from going under.
I've already encountered multiple Brazilian researchers claiming that Elon's efforts are either fruitless or too complicated to be even presentable in simple terms as he has done multiple times already.
As a Brazilian myself, I think that, because of how we where taught watching over the news is a great and indispensable way of staying informed, we tend to get stuck at the surface level information presented by sensationalistic news outlets.
Also, I THINK that, because we live on a third world country, in terms of new and upcoming technologies, instead of acquiring new information and drawing hypothesis and assumptions based on our prior knowledge, we tend to draw immediate conclusions because of our overall lack of touch with technological advancements and marksmanship that we and our parents have failed to grasp (But I'll have to look that up ;P.)
Doesn’t it seem like whenever we introduce national pride into any equation, it just fucks things up royally?
Pra mim, o Musk não só vai conseguir como vai deixar a porteira aberta para os próximos que virão.
Se o Musk conseguir que uma pessoa incapacitada recupere pelo menos um pouco de suas capacidades, logo no início do projeto, já vai ser um grande avanço.
Comentário sem nenhum sentido.
@@fernandobernardo6324 Só trazendo algo à ser discutido e reforçando a ideia de que nada é garantido quando o tempo entra em questão.
Eu meio que generalizei o pensamento crítico apresentado pelo Dr. Miguel Nicolelis pra todo brasileiro, mas sem concretizar nada, justamente pra gerar discussão e reforçar o meu segundo ponto de que o correto é não trazer conclusões baseadas em experiências passadas, mas sim, trazer hipóteses.
Se o jeito sarcástico do Brasileiro de duvidar de toda nova tecnologia não tem nada a ver com que eu mencionei, eu adoraria que alguém trouxesse uma contra-proposta.
Por exemplo, eu sei que eu tô errado principalmente por incluir o próprio Dr. Nicolelis, que trabalhou tantos anos nesse ramo fora do Brazil, na questão de que o nosso país está consideravelmente atrasado na busca por novas tecnologias, só queria ver se alguém iria me corrigir.
"Reusable rockets are impossible."
"Making compelling electric vehicles are impossible."
I see a pattern here where Elon's companies do the impossible.
Reminds me of the saying “once is a chance, twice is a coincidence and the third time is a pattern”. He’s definetly going for the pattern
the pattern seems to be that they are all long cons. Time will tell...
Musk had nothing to do with developing the Tesla.
The space shuttle was reusable since 1980. Not perfect, but reusable.
They have not done the impossible, but only the unpredicted. DO you know what the word, "impossible" means?
Elon to the Professora: hold my beer
The Doctor has legitimate concerns but he lacks Imagination and is conflicted.
how would you feel if you had invested your life into researching something, some newcomer makes claims to do something you had never thought possible, with those claims, popularizers your field of research and then is seen as one of the leading thinkers.
Remember when nasa said landing and reusing rockets was impossible, then spaceX figured it out by using an app game to gather data.
They never said it was impossible. After all, the Shuttle proves otherwise.
Ask Elizabeth holmes
Elon Musk will leave Nickelalice in the dark ages with his lab rats. Elon's mind works so fast he already knows how he's going to win and leave others look like they are standing still or walking backwards.
All the while doing it in a way that is more conscious of the sensitivity of the animals he works with. You can judge an individual on how they treat other life forms.
Lol you Elon musk fangirls crack me up. Totally delusional, and believe in this fake persona he has created
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As a supporter of Neuralink, its easy to get ruffled feathers here. But scientists like Nicolelis, despite the envy, are helping keep the big picture and history of the science in hand. It's good for any form of scientific advance to have constraints. Innovation should be guided by sound theory.
If he has CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (that didn't come off as personal attacks) and well founded doubts (rather than "It can never be done!" without identifying a first principle of science as to why) you'd be right. Unfortunately if someone isn't paying him to trash Elon and Neuralink(Elon has lots of big enemies now for just about every one of his companies), he comes off as a bit jealous or resentful and thus he is overdoing his criticism at the minimum. Of course this means he becomes easy to dismiss entirely, which is unfortunate.
There may be plenty of reason to speculate the unlikelihood of sci-fi level BMI tech happening anytime soon, but you do not have to break the laws of physics to improve the capabilities of BMI over time. Elon may not be a neuroscientist, but he does know computers and AI. It's generally a good idea to have a team of specialists collaborate to solve a problem together, rather than attempt to figure it out solo. He didn't exactly build a space-faring rocket all by himself either, as amusing that may be to imagine.
I bet you think Tesla will achieve Full Self Driving next year and that Tesla will sell 20 million cars /year someday, just because Elon Musk said so. Right?
Btw, why did you put that photo of an asian guy in the bottom corner? Is that like watermark of yours? You put watermark on someone else’s content?
Nothing is impossible
7 years ago any rocket scientist would've told you landing a spent booster back on earth was impossible. 11 years ago any automotive engineer would've told you that making an electric car that can compete with an ICE car in price and performance was impossible.
Impossible just means Elon Musk hasn't done it yet.
Can you show any relevant scientist in the field that made those affirmations?
I think an important thing to keep in mind is that Neuralink is working on operationalizing former lab research on a large scale, much like how Tesla is utilizing machine learning state of the art in its FSD stack. Like you mentioned, Neuralink is absolutely not denying that its work builds on prior art, so I definitely am not convinced by the “copycat” argument.
Great point Futuroptimist.
No, absolutely not. The former heads of Neuralink were doing something sensible with it as they wanted to help people with prosthesis etc. Then came Elon who had watched too many sci-fi movies and promised you could download knowledge and skills to your brain like they do in The Matrix and he also promised you could upload your brain into a computer. I mean COME ON!!! Not ONE fucking critical question from ANY journalist ANYWHERE?!? Jesus fucking Christ people, are you that gullible?!
(5:45) "One thing I've learned ... is that (Elon) prioritizes accuracy and therefore speaks extremely literally" + (11:39) "Due to Elon's well-known first principles thinking, it's his M.O." ... You don't know Musk at all. He speaks in ludicrous, over-the-top, narcissistic maximum hyperbole. Always. And demands attention and credit for everything. It's his "M.O."
We have plenty of examples of the old (established) authorities being wrong. I leave it at that, not speculating about the reason.
It's so painful to listen to this fossil.
Nicolelis has been doing this for over 30 years. Neuralink has been doing it for 5 years. In 5 years, Neuralink has caught up to Nicolelis and I might say passed Nicolelis up. The level of advancements in material science alone is beyond Nicolelis expertise. Give it another 5 years and Nicolelis will eat his words and be left in the dust of his old research. What if any, advancements Nicolelis has made in the last 5 years? None. It seems to me he is just trying to gain recognition for himself of old discoveries. As if no one credits him for it. Everyone does, me included. in 24 months it will become clear.
Why in 24 months?
@@LuizFernandodaSilvaBorges Simply because Neuralink have passed Nicolelis' research. All of the technology that Neuralink is creating will be new. One of the areas that Nicolelis has not done is the use AI.
Another area is the digitization of the signals. The brain is analog. This is where Nicolelis' research have stopped. He has no expertise in digitization.
Another area is technology miniaturization. There are several companies building wafer fabs that can manufacture 3 nanometer chips.
Another area is electrode technology. Currently, the electrodes goes straight in. Imagine how the oil industry have done. Early on oil drilling was basically straight down. Then they created an oil drill that can turn in different directions. Now imagine an articulating electrode that can avoid blood vessels and travel deeper to the optimum area of the brain.
Another area is the number of nodes per electrode. Imagine having millions of nodes.
Another area is .... well you get the picture.
I think you don't understand what science really is. Nicolelis has been researching and getting results for decades. What do you mean by saying Neuralink caught up to him . Nicolelis got results and published them, it means there is no need to re discover or re event things he published that's why it took Neuralink 5 years to "catch up" and litterally do not get almost nothing new.
@@ibcavid Exactly
I was part of the Moore's law advance of IC's as I worked in ECAD for decades. Nicolelis is like someone who invented the transistor, complaining about people moving on to IC's, large scale IC's(LSI), very large scale(VLSI), etc. Exponential advances tend find new capabilities and applications. I think he would be better served to admire Neurolink advances, and potentially even use their devices to advance his own research. Today's world tends to reward those who get involved in "controversy", because it gains clicks, so in a way he is just trying to maintain relevance as he is being passed technologically. He also probably wants to establish some ownership through existing patents. It comes across as sour grapes as the expression goes.
If that is all to be concerned about as the Human brain is being manipulated, ..kind of remind me of the days some would gladly ingests Elixir of highly radio-active potions for their proclaimed curative benefits
His problem is not people doing research, it's: 1. doing research which is highly based or even the same experiments he did, while not giving him nor his predecessors the due credits; 2. turning science into a cheap show. Portuguese sources are way more indepth in these matters.
Yeah it's possible, just very unwise.
Solar flares could literally fry the brain.
Back during the telegraph Era, a solar flare
Inducted so much energy into the wires that some of them
Caught on fire. And many of the operators were sending messages
With the batteries unhooked. It would be far smarter to develop
Massively parrallel EEG systems using gold bowtie nano antennas.
Something like a million electrodes and very high temporal
Resolution. With the data getting sent to a Neural Network
Trained to evolve an interface for the specific brain it's observing.
Non invasive, unless you insist on some pain.
Tiny gold implants could be implanted in the scalp
To boost sensitivity even further.
For goods sake, don't be performing brain surgery on people who
Don't really need it.
Well why are you so bitter about Neuralink. What do you mean "empty promises"? Do you see the company as some kind of politician? Even politicians cant make promises no one really can it all depends on many many facotrs. I have never said Elon Musk say " I promise". What are you talking about? You just sound bitter to me.
In a nutshell, he's just sad because he thinks he's not getting enough credit. You decide whether that's true or not.
It sounds like Nicolelis is so proud of himself, he's jealous someone may take his research and do something he couldn't do. While he should be proud of his accomplishments, it sounds like it's gotten the better of him. He needs to understand, unless the research goes into a usable product, it's useless. Musk is just the right man for this. He has a proven track record of taking what others think can't be done, assembles a team, and does it. I'm excited to see what Neuralink will do.
Reminds me of when Einstein was arguing against quantum physics.
1 - "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
2 - "The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."
3 - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke Three Laws of Prediction
Hazards of Prophecy: The Failure of Imagination
On the other hand, it is common to see entirely unqualified individuals assert what might be possible, for entirely unreasonable reasons... Most of the time, most people, have mostly no idea of what they are actually asserting. This was recently and very nicely encapsulated in this quotable:
"We have a large segment of the country that has opted out of reality."
~ Steve Schmidt, former Republican Strategist
It's like saying no one in the future can ever get to work as far as he has. Even in the year 3000. If he can't get it further or see no other ways, move out the way and let others try. I don't like self-limiting thinking.
What I was hearing throughout this video was Miguel Nicolelis saying me, me, me, I, I, I. And from Elon Musk came; We did such and such, and it took Us to develop this. Miguel Nicolelis is more concerned with being recognized in the annals of science as a great scientist than being a great scientist. Yes, he has made some great steps forward but how much more could he achieve if he wasn't so worried about someone else getting the glory.
I once worked for a very successful business man when I was a kid. One day i asked him how he was able to be so successful? He replied, " I hire people who can do the job better than me.".
This is also Elon Musk in a nutshell.
Yes it is..got to remember though for an Entrepreneur, their bragging rights are less their Ego than their bank accounts.
I recall in 1982 a group of young scientists were able to create an interface that allowed blind people to see through a video aperture. Another group were able to create an interface that allowed audio from a Mic to create sound for deaf people. Innovation comes from people doing the improbable, not impossible.
Some scientists (people) cannot step outside of the box and therefore will never be innovators. They are still valuable contributors performing the repetative tasks required in a formula, however asking them to reach beyond their paradigm is like asking them to flap their arms and fly like a bird.
You probably remembered wrong as they are only now have had a successful case in that. Even with modern technology whose sole purpose is to restore vision, the ability to do so just isn't there. What we've been only been able to develop is to restore light and vague images/shapes and only to individuals who at one point went blind from eye problems, our brain isn't built to process the amount of information that a camera would require to bring back 20/20 vision or to even just be not legally blind.
A lot of the issues which Musk overlooks talking about with Neurolink is a lot of the problems he's trying to convince people it would fix are issues that most of the time aren't even the fault of the brain. Deafness, Blindness, Addiction, Paralysis are all very much issues that can be local to your body or have nothing to do with the brain in most cases.
they also said electrical cars and retrieveable rockets are impossible but look where we’re at now.
@neenabzamro3759 musk didn't make any of that
@@longiusaescius2537 if it wasnt for musk it wouldve been in the books only
@@neenabzamro3759 gigs copium
Elon is a industrial expert, as in he can take ideas that aren't new or unique and bring them to scale. That is his genius. Do you think Elon was the first to think of electric cars? Or rockets? Or even colonies on Mars? This guy seems like a whiner. Yes the greatest revolutionary changes to society come from Titans of Industry. It came from Edison, not Tesla. That doesn't mean Tesla wasn't smart, or didn't pave the way for numerous break throughs. But to get entire cities powered and light bulbs in every home came from industry. Someone who knows how to translate ideas to something marketable.
Elon needs solutions the future problems. He see's no one implementing said solutions. He launches a company and utilizes all his energy to see it become marketable. There is *risk* involved with such endeavors. Such as Skylink just losing 40+ satellites recently. Who flew the first plane? There were government scientists working the problem for decades spending large sums of money in the late 19th and early 20th century. Such innovation isn't in a vacuum, they do rely upon other peoples research as we all do. But their genius is bringing it daily use.
The brain interface won't be the hard part. Writing drivers decoding brain waves to specific tasks will be. Especially if we have multiple tasks going on at the same time. Talking and playing a video game and walking.
Dr. Nicolelis is using constant Ad Hominem against Elon. This shows a bruised ego. "Doesn't know where the brain is," "Bad Scifi", etc. Maybe he wasn't consulted by Elon when he started the company? "I didn't see anything new". He didn't see anything new in terms of his specialty area. The areas that are new is the scope of the effort, the economical design, and the human focused design, the easy power design. Things a Dr. like this wouldn't care about in his research publishing to new peer reviewed journals. It's an ivory tower professors straight up dismissing engineering and industrial efficiency. Not to mention the speed in which it was achieved. Again, nothing new on the science front, but that isn't their goal. Their goal is to produce a product widely used. Something Dr. Nicolelis probably has zero experience or knowledge of how to achieve.
You are overly charitable towards Musk and don’t comprehend the criticisms. You read Nicolelis’ warning of Duke’s patent over BMI, which precludes Neuralink from using the technology without a license, but you’re takeaway is that Nicolelis felt under appreciated. Musk has a pattern of misleading and manipulating people and speaking on matters for which he lacks any competence, but your defense requires you to take a handful of statements out of context from various other lies and adopt the most favorable interpretation.
It might not be a new idea but I believe that Elon has brought the field to the light of the public. This will allow more to contribute and hopeful bring about advancements that otherwise would've taken many more years to achieve. I don't think Nicolelis' work will be over looked. We often study and learn of the pioneers in the field we research. Instead I'm certain his help would be useful in advancing the field further and possibly help Neuralink better scope what they plan to achieve.
What about clearly state what you plan to achieve to the world and remain strictly within a known and verified boundary. Remember, in no time this effort will be duplicated by other competent parties and hopefully ethics will not be lagging far behind and the interest of the general public will be protected.
@@ralphylaure2527 I'm not necessarily sure what you mean by "state what you plan to achieve to the world" they have already stated what they wish to do with this technology. Also how is a field expected to advance when it is limited to "known and verified boundaries". Regardless, none of the experiments have really pushed the boundaries, all they have done so far is upgrade the tech that is being used in these experiments.
Thanks for this clip
Critics of Elon are mostly motivated by their own egos than any real greveience
Elon is a master at looking at the future and then motivating real smart people to come join him and create that future
Elon's brilliance is not in coming up with new ideas, but in bringing them to market. People need to understand that that still has a lot of value
Sounds like Steve Jobs.
I can't be asked to comment on everything, and sure, I have no formal education on the topic either, but I will mention this:
looking at other sources and some of the critics (even ones I don't consider all that trustworthy) I can't help that conclude that the comments by Dr. Nicolelis were in reference to claims like "downloading the brain", "installing a new language" and the like.
These are about as sensible as "teaching your computer to grow legs and walk around" or "Learn a language by drinking orange juice".
the sensors are relatively few in number and localized in one spot, unable to sense the vast majority of one's brain, never mind that measuring doesn't exactly tell you how it works.
"downloading a language into your brain" fails in both the fact that the sensors are going to be in entirely the wrong location, *they are probably not going to be active.* if that's the case, information can't even flow in that direction.
Yes, technically all of what was said is ""possible"" but it's as likely as a black hole forming form your computer as you read this.
As for the issue of popularity, Neuralink (possibly at the behest of Elon) showed off a reproduction of an experiment first performed by Dr. Nicolelis' team, and attempted to pass of as their own work.
Lastly, I'm not convinced Elon knows all that much about most of what he talks about. He's often lied about or heavily implies falsehoods like founding Tesla and being an engineer. Corporate paper trails show the opposite.
Elon Musk understands the microscope and how one can pack 1,000 electrodes into brain tissue. I think Dr. N (M) is referring to the molecular interface that uses sodium and potassium (and other molecules) to generate electrical impulses and nerve conduction in humans. This is contrast to the photons and electrons of the digital subatomic universe. Ultimately, there is a confluence and communication between the 2 systems because the biologic electric impulse can be measured and graphed using voltage and microamps. Obviously, Mr. Musk knows where the brain is. In medical microanatomy, the "interface" is also called the "cell membrane", the interface between 2 cell membranes is called a "junction". In reality, the interface is a physical barrier "linked" by an aqueous medium containing specific positive and negatively charged small and large molecules.
In Elon’s words, “it’s already done.” 🥰
Given that Neuralink has already been demonstrated to have functions good enough to transform many people’s lives on a massive scale (even if it’s only spinal injuries, the sheer numbers are challenging, 290,000 in the US alone), attacking Elon seems unwise, if highly fashionable at the moment, this will not age well.
How an overhyped lobotomy help with nerve injuries? Or do you mean some movement aids controlled by this brain chip interphase.
When have they demonstrated that? Any empirical data or do refer to their wishlist of things they want to do?
@@olfrud a chimp was able to play pong within a few hours. The device has 1024 channels and functions without wires penetrating the skin which is important to prevent infections. The video is on the company UA-cam channel.
I appreciated this video giving credence to Nicolelis and Elon/neuralink. For sure, old academics are skeptical of work being done outside the rich mahogany of the university meeting rooms. This is to be expected. Otherwise Nicolelis would have turned his concepts into his own Neura(insert key aspect to company name here).
It is fascinating to see such complex problems carefully optimized and I hope it works medically, before it gets turned into a gaming platform.
Thanks Sean.
Though I agree with the shortcomings of "Mahogany University" as a research and educational model for 21st-century problems, this is far more than about Nicolelis and Elon Musk: All brain-bearing creatures should have a voice in this endeavor...
musk will introduce himself as founder of twitter in few years
Lol, I don't think that's true.
He's not jealous about not being recognised....he's jealous that he wasn't consulted/recruited to the team. Elon prefers people at the leading edge of their field, who can think outside of the box, and are probably younger and less cynical. It's incredible how often you can make the impossible happen, with a group of ambitious brains who simply don't realise it's impossible....so they go and do it anyway. This has been proven. This gentleman is wrong.
Ohh this video is so good, this is the best way to approach this topic and respond to Miguel Nicolei.
I think this man is a denier and he is upset with the Neuralink team for stealing him protagonism. His work on this field was amazing and it's sad that he did not get the recognition he deserve, but it seems to me that he doesn't understand the Elon's influence on the public and media, no mention the incredible way Elon works and the achievements he has achieved with the teams of talented people that he bring together.
Underrated comment. Fax
Nice content! thanks for this. I agree that Neuralink is going too SciFi in some projections. but like you said it was a recruiting presentation. I think neuralink is going down a narrow but pragmatic and practical path that will yield good practical and saleable implementations. However, it is not the full breadth of what we can learn and do in the BMI field. I particular like the direction being taken by Dr Mary Lou Jepsen where they use non invasive techniques to read and stimulate the brain via light..
"a narrow path"? Everything has to start somewhere. Musk has demonstrated an incredible ability to ramp up technologies at warp speed.
Thinking about Breath and Deapth in such enterprise..i'd rather take my chances at colonizing Mars first.
@@ralphylaure2527 Dunno .. in 10 years we may have a couple of people living on Mars. In 10 years we will have thousands of people with neurallink implants.
I think that Elon Musk's capabilities should never be underestimated. He sees things differently, develops visions, conducts analysis and takes effective progressive action. And over time he is proven to be successful.
You need watch thunder foot videos... Why elon is big con artist...
Elon Musk fanboys and apologists are honestly just funny to me. Clearly the dude who made this video, as he said, really doesn't know anything about the brain or its function. Many of the claims made by Musk regarding this technology are honestly just laughable to anyone who understands anything about the brain. This isn't a question of whether or not we currently have the technology do download people's consciousness, it is a question of whether it is theoretically possible to do so, which it isn't. It simply cannot be done, and it will never be done. We don't live in a magical fantasy land or a sci-fi universe; we live in the real world. In the real world, your consciousness is not something that can ever be separated from your physical brain. The two things are completely inseparable.
"... barely knows where it's located" He just lost all of his credibility for me with those five words. I don't care who he thinks he is. If you would go back in time to the 30's or the 40's and you would have told someone that in less than a 60 years people will be carrying all the world's knowledge in their pockets, they would have laughed at you. I hate people like this.