9mm Load Up (Accuracy) Tite Group and Universal Powder, 125gr Bullet
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2018
- Loading 9mm with Tite Group and Universal powder with a Lee 356-124-2R bullet. Loading and shooting groups. I wanted to explore the Universal powder. Its a bulky powder with great case fill. It certainly has my attention! Bullet was sized to.356 and seated to 1.125. this batch of bullets was measured at 16 BHN .
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Hey Elvis! I love these videos! Titegroup has been my go to for all of my hand gun calibers for a while now. I like longshot for +p and magnum. But that universal has peaked my interest. awesome video as always. Great shooting my friend. Can't wait for more
Love the experimental vid's with Universal!!!!Looking forward to 38 ,45,and more!Thank you for sharing!!!
Elvis thanks for sharing this video! You covered a lot of amazing information👍 I'm new to reloading and just recently started casting my own bullets and powdercoating. I was told by an older gentleman with 40years of experience in loading ammo to try the titegroup powder. I'm glad you made a video shooting with titegroup and sharing your powder grains and COL 👌 from seeing your amazing results I will now feel confident in loading my own ammo with the titegroup. Keep up the great videos your awesome! I'm Also looking forward to seeing more video progress on your AK reloading ammo
Yep ... Thanks larry559... Some of these loads with titegroup you see here are used in competition ... Be confident for sure... The only wild card is can we shoot straight... : )
Great video Elvis. I love the test videos. Thanks for sharing
Thanks man you answer so many questions. Appreciate all your work.
Enjoyed your video . I must of missed it when it came out . Thanks
Nice shooting elvis. Good enough for head shots on noisy roosters.... I've been using Universal powder for years in my 40 and 45. Stuff burns clean and shoots great. Meters just fine through my powder measure too. Can't really complain.
Why is this only the first time I'm ever seeing this guy??! This is a great video
Great Shooting Elvis. Love the results. Keep up the great testing!!
Great job man I'm loving it. Hot dam I might have to give some of these loads a try. Thank you, sir.
Thoroughly enjoying it Elvis, great to see such wonderful results especially with the Universal. Glad it turned out the way it did. Will be very interested in 38 and 45 results when you get there. Keep up the great experimenting, you have a right to be pleased and happy.
Yep I like doing these kinda tests... I have some decent things coming in 9, 38 and 45 be honest I cant wait either! : )
Love the videos Elvis! Keep up the great work brotha.
This testing is extremely helpful thanks and want to see more
Good info, the testing can some times lead to more questions than answers ! All those combo's seem to have good results with a stand alone shooting, but it's always fun to work up loads even if it's just for saving powder :-) Looking forward to the AK stuff.
Enjoying the hell out of this series. I need to try that Universal powder. Thank you.
Thanks for commenting nice to know folks are digging it! : ) Im in!
I’ve been a big fan on tite group for years. I even use it in my 10mm auto and .38spc loads. Accurate and I love how a little goes a long way... great video!
yep everything you said is the reason I like it as well! Great powder that goes a long way!
Avid Water fowler Hello there... I’m a beginner, made my first successful 500 rounds of 9mm of CFE. But went out and bought 5 pounds of Titegroup. I pay very close attention to my powder fill on when I get to the bullet seating stage. Pretty noticeable with the CFE cause I load 5.1 grains. Will I be able to see my charge ok with the Titegroup? Think I’ll be using around 20% less
@@damon323 When you load in batches with a single press, once you have a batch filed with a compact powder like tightgroup, say a batch of 100, just shine a penlight on all the cartridges at once. Any that don't have the powder loaded to the same level will stand out. It is an easy, good double check on the powder charges for safety. It works good as a check on hard to see light and/or dense charges.
I know this is an old video but I wanted to say thanks Elvis. I am really new to reloading, and am about to do my first 1000 rounds. I wanted to try something exactly like this before I crank them out. On a side note - those roosters in the background make it sound like you live in Jurassic Park!
I've been using Universal for .38, 9mm, .380 and .45 for years. They all love it. No issues.
I have loaded and shot 20 thousand + 9mm in my Ruger P89dc. I use 124gr Lazer Cast lead and 4.5gr of Tite Group.
Never any pressure issues and they are extremely accurate. 6-8in. steel at 50yrd all day long!🤠👍
Great video. I use 4.0 grs titegroup powder with the 124 bullet. For testing I like a carbine such as the Ruger pc 9. Keep up the good work.
Just a caveat to Elvis and other fellow Reloaders. When Using the Lee micro adjustable charge bar, I've gotten very inconsistent powder drops with low charges(less than 4 grains) of Titegroup.
Good test Elvis. Titegroup, Solo1000, Clays and Universal are my favorite 9mm pistol powders. Clean burning. Clays and Titegroup are very economical.
Man... I just want to say thank you for providing the COAL. I made somewhere around 3k bullets this Christmas and started trying to make a dummy fit. Kept having chambering issues even with a properly set factory crimp. The first groove (raised) always catches when chambering, and I could never get a proper taper crimp with the factory crimp die.
The 1.125" COAL generally puts the case mouth between the first and second raised grooves and allows for a smooth transitional crimp. I was getting so frustrated. I started off with 9mm years ago, cast a ton of 45ACP bullets and knew how to load the same round nose Lee profile.
Thanks Elvis! I've been using your quick powdercoat method for a while now, and now you saved my bacon (maybe). I've never loaded 9mm so short (usually 1.135 - 1.145" in 115gr RN), so I'll need to be careful on loads.
Thanks for taking the time to comment 4thaggie.. The 1.135 works too. I find the 1.145 a little to close to make inconsistent mistakes but do feed in most my guns. The 1.125 seems to be the most reliable ... you can always adjust a little for accuracy if needed. I use just enough crimp to return the flaired case mouth to normal. No taper at all.. happy shooting to ya!!!
Very much enjoyed this video! Thank you, and great shooting! Think I'm going to try some universal powders!
The universal powder is not bad but it is dirty
I have that same mold except with standard lube grooves. Not only does mine drop heavy too but after powder coating I have to seat them deep because of the Ogive and powder coat to keep them out of the lands and feed properly. By the way good shooting!
Nice shooting Elvies! You have improved your testing techniques - that I am happy about. I was bashing you about your "thumb size" groups measurements but no more. Respect brother :)
Hey Dima Prok... Thanks for your input... I thought our thumbs were all the same size!! : ) Never hurts for us to step up the game and do better.... I am having fun for sure with this testing!
Very nice job, precise presentation
Great videos Titegroup at 3.6 OAL 1.125 is one of my faves Lee cast 124 grain powder coated.
Great shooting there Elvis. Great info too. I’m going to have to buy some universal powder too. Thx
Thank ya NYC Reloader! Some pretty good stuff! hope ya having a great New Year!
elvis ammo it’s a good year so far except for the cold weather. Was -20 F in my garage when I needed to do some reloading. Took forever to warm it up. I’m going to have to move some place warm and has more freedom.
Experimenting = discovery = learning! Thanks for sharing your data Elvis! Keep your revolver brass warm!
Mmmmm love warm brass!!! Thanks John Doe!
Great video Elvis, really enjoyed it....
Thanks Norm!! : )
Excellent group by Elvis
Great video.great shooting.
Man great video. Really enjoying this info
Nice flying ham hock's. Universal and 231 have been my go to powders for all my standard velocity rounds. 296 and 2400 for my magnum rounds. I went through a period of using the No. 2-9 for my handgun rounds. They gave me a deal on it back in 1998 so I bought a shit load of it. Anyway I'm liking the targets. I think I'm going to have to buy a few hundred of them. Listening to the roosters in the background is kinda soothing. The wife won't have them again. She was attacked by one when she had chickens. I wish I could have seen that.😀 Thanks for another great video. Happy shooting.
Thanks again... Yeah being attacked by chickens can make ya loose all your cool points! : ) Sounds like some good powders there ... can't go wrong at all !
my fav gun and my favorite powders. U my FRIEND ARE AWESOME!
Yes! We hit it off.... : ) we're Friends! If it makes ya feel any better I have 2 glock 19's : )
I enjoy the testing. Two thumbs up from me 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks sir! Glad to know... I like the upward thumbs! : )
Great shooting do better than I do lol I like the titegroup and the universal today I went to the range and did good for my 9mm lee cast 120gr with titegroup 3.9 did very good and for my 38 special is universal today I didn’t save the targets to do a video on have a wonderful day
Awesome... Youll have to do a video on it! Glad to hear we have another Universal Fan! : )
elvis - might fine shooting with some mighty fine and consistent reloads...!! I am running low on TiteGroup powder - time to reorder another 8 pounds...Have a great day..! FC Steve
Nice shooting Elvis, I believe that any-one of those load combinations will pass as accuracy loadings. They will set in "X" ring accuracy @25 yards which is two inches, So Now you know, It's on you and the Marksmanship, Not the gun, not the loading, Not the bullet. you have set up a foundation to build on or improve on. Good Shoot'en Buddy. (I wish we had a Piggly Wiggly up here in the North). I could use one of those White salted smoked hams this winter. Mummmm. Dave.
yeah... Kinda hate not having any good excuses! That kinda Bums me.. : ) I will take the best of these to some further distances, Maybe by then i'll figure out a good excuse if something goes bad! : ) I don't really know of a Piggly Wiggly close by here... not to far away though... i believe Ingles or BiLo has them though... I'll see if I can find one of those White salted smoked hams....
Well. In the way of accuracy, sight radius has a lot to do with it, The closer the sights are together the more the error in alignment is amplified, Thus placing the shot outside the aiming area. (That Blurr of the target you see in the distance) Longer Barrels shoot mainly with more accuracy because of less error in lining them up and being able to hold them in alignment with each other. So don't kick yourself as it is difficult to do repeatably, That was Fine shoot'en for 12 1/2 Yards. Here is another crazy thing, because of fitting some pistols are good 25-yard guns, However, the accuracy falls apart at 50-yards, I have done ransom rests tests on 1911's and see this happen. I believe it to be fitting at the barrel and barrel bushing fitting to the pistol. anyway, Looks like you are on a good quest. Btw, I would be willing to Pay for the Ham and shipping. Hehehe.. Those have a unique flavor, unlike any other ham. It's a good substitute for those basketball Yankie hams we have here. Dave.
Thor's Axe777 well said dude, well said spot on as usual. As for hams if you have any Amish communities near you, you might want to take a trip out to buy some ham. I buy all my hams from the Amish and man they are amazing at curing and smoking ham and other meats.
Nah man, not at NW we don't, no Amish that I am aware of.
Well, sorta true...at close ranges with pistols. There's a couple of things. People are moving more and more to carbines, and so, careful load development is relevant. That's why this video is important...
At 1.125 COAL, and a 124-125 grain FMJ or LRN, this is getting into a compressed load with Universal (note that at that COAL the bullet won't fit into some magazines). With a plain Jane 9mm carbine, and 4.3 grains of Universal, that puts you into the 1350-1380 ft/sec range with WSPs (actual and Quickload predicted). So, yes...at 25-75 yards an accuracy load does make sense...a lot. You can go from .5 inch groups close in this video up to 4"-6" groups down "there" at my bench with a 995ts if you don't pay attention to the load development.
And, yes, Quickload shows that Universal has higher Ballistic Efficiency, as compared to Unique or Titegroup when you match for pressure and ft/sec MV.
Now, as you go to 100 yards and perhaps 250, and if you're a Ninja with a scope, all hell breaks loose because the bullet becomes unstable and drops below hypersonic. It then gets comical in terms of a 9mm POI, relative to a good .22 and a 26" barrel. So, yes...tighter groups are better with a 9. There comes a point in this game, however, when you switch over to a 150 grain FMBT from PPU stuffed in a 7.62x39 FC case at 2.200 stacked in a SKS with 21 grains of N120.
Elvis, I really enjoyed this video. 1st time on your channel brother. I've been reloading for little over a year now. Mainly 9mm luger using Titegroup (4.1 - 4.3 gr.) and just started reloading .45 ACP. using CFE-Pistol (6.1 - 6.3 gr) . I recently stocked up on some Everglades 9mm JHP 115gr bullets and some 9mm 115gr and .45 ACP 230gr. copper plated RN bullets from Gluten Free Ammo. Going to start reloading the 9mm JHP rounds this week. I mainly use two 9's for target shooting, Walther PPQ M-2 and a Canik TP9-SFx. My .45 target pistol is Walther PPQ 45 auto.Really like your video and you got a new Subscriber!! BTY... Damn good shooting!! Thanks
Thank you brother. Welcome to the channel👍👍👍
Great video, that rooster in the background is working overtime!! Haha sounds like my place!
Birds of a feather my friend!!! : )
3.5 looked pretty damn nice!
You're the boss man Elvis
I use Alliant BE86 and have great results with accuracy and reliability. Good info.
I'm new to reloading and got a bottle of BE86.
124 grain is the 9mm bullet, what power load would be good?
great groups Elvis, Universal is what i use for my .38 S. rounds. yup it's bulky powder to throw but works real well for me. be safe.
Pretty nice shooting Elvis great job
Thanks Walker Outdoors! Happy shooting to ya........
Universal is great for medium powerful loads in nearly every pistol caliber. It strongly resembles Unique.
And cleaner burning!
Excellent!! I run 3.7gr TiteGroup in my Competition Pistols under the 125gr bullet.
yep... I thought so... what OAL?
Yes I am interested in you coal also.
Watching this now makes me want that jug of titegroup lol. I can't find any!! 😂😂
Awesome. Can't wait for the 38spc and 45acp videos.
thank ya sir....
Good job loading/shooting man! Looks like you have a few different options for good loads for the 9mm.
Full.Lead.Taco yep I think I can take my pick based on the velocity I want..I shot the 3.9 gr at 1060 fps.. this gives me the range I want..I think I'll stick with that...
Good shooting!! Thanks Elvis. Good info . Saludos.
Saludos to you my friend!
I absolutely enjoy these kind of videos Elvis. Gives me an idea of how other powders perform, now I'm interested in universal powder. I will be curious how it works for 38 and 357. I mainly use Winchester autocomp for a 9mm, but will use it in 38spl. I use 2400 for 357 magnum. Looking forward to the next video
yep... gonna have to do some 38/357 with it for sure! Coming up...I might try some 2400 with a few different bullets as well...
Mighty good shooting!!
Nice !
In my mind:
Tight Group is Hodgdons competition for Bullseye by Aliant.
Universal is Hodgdons competition for Unique powder by Aliant.
Hodgdon is more available in my area, Cabbalas is local. Aliant seems to be in short supply but they will ship it to the local store for free for pick-up.
I think you need to shoot your Rooster for making a ruckus during filming.
yep ... that Universal will probably shoot a little cleaner if ya care! The Rooster was a little pissed I wasn't cocking the hammer!!! : )
Breast cancer awareness bullets ! Good job Elvis !
Very nice . I enjoyed the info . I might try some.
Hey brother! Hope your New year will be the best!
New drinking game.
Every time Elvis says "uhm" you take a drink. Betcha can't last to the end haha
Good shooting!
Great video.
Good stuff. Thank you.
My first thought was "man that guy can really shoot".....nice shooting sir. Your videos are some of the best classroom sessions I have experienced. I know you have to put a bunch of effort and personal time to make these so please accept my (our) thanks and gratitude. I do have a question about chronos: do you have a favorite, what attributes are important and perhaps lessons learned. Might be a subject for a video? Thanks
I find that Universal offers lower pressures and good accuracy. It is not the most accurate compared to other powders I have used but the lower pressure offers up lower re-coil and comfort. Also, Universal has load data for most pistol calibers. It is a very good powder.
"Bulky stuff". Sounds like my post holiday waistline. LOL... Thanks, always an education.
I get my food in bulk too! Bullets are only second in line to eating! : ) Thanks my friend
Hey Elvis! Love your vids. I live in upstate SC. Have you ever done any testing with cast hollow point powder coated BP rounds. Will be testing my own soon. Thanks. Keep up the good work
With the availability of components being what they are today, I was forced to do the same thing with Hercules Reddot. I got my data from Lyman 45th edition. Groups were no where as tight but found that from 3.5 grains to 4 9 grains, those loaded at 4.5 grains were the most accurate out of my Security 9.
GREAT vid Elvis, thanks a ton ! Boy, your roosters sure have a lot to say ! LOL
Some nice groups, I use a lot of titegroup in my 9's and Clays in the 45
Hey trees ... Cant go wrong with those two!
You need to load up some #4 Bird Shot. Great video.
Thank you!
I have a quick question, can you use 45acp berry bullets, to load 45 colt out of a lever gun, they don’t have a crimp groove or does it matter out of a Rifel, great shooting thanks
Great work and I think your testing is very useful and helpful for us out in the reloading world. Would you think about taking the 2 most accurate loads from each powder and shoot at 25 yards to narrow the choice down. Kinda the way I run tests, always trying to take out the "human" element of each grouping. Cheers from Canada
Yep... That's my thinking too. I plan on it. The human element is the biggest one for me to consider. Sometimes we feel good about our shots and sometime we know we screwed a few up.. I felt about 95 Percent.. This percent will decrease the further out I go.. Stay tuned! : )
Great video Elvis. I have been experimenting with Universal as well along with some 124gn Oregon Trail cast bullets out of my Ruger Security 9. I have not shot through a chronograph yet however. Nice consistency but the powder seems to be quite smokey as I shoot. Did you get that?
Tightgroup is a great 9 mm powder. Strong and very clean with a wide range.
I haven't loaded9mm in a few months though, but iirc tightgroup isn't either the best or worst at weighing. I really prefer easy weighing powder, so many powders (flake) can be frustrating in pistol ammo.
Great shootin.
Ive reloaded for the Glock 17 with different barrels from 90gr to 147gr- plated/h.p./fmj.. now im getting supplies to cast bullets with a .358 mold 125gr -T.C.
and resize to .356 . ive used 3n37 powder as my standard.Yet I do have titegroup, but im a alttle apprehensive on using it for cast bullets. a little to much
of that powder does give it some more kick. i do use recommended safe starting loads and work up. my Q. is: with or without gas checks
affect the powder loads and/or when firing cast bullets? for either universal or T.G.?
I recently bought a 9mm sig sauer and I'm new to reloading. That's some nice shooting by the way, but I wad wondering where you got the load data that helped you get to your new load. It's hard to find any particular size,weight, types of components to build a round. I would be happy with titegroup loD data for a 9mm
Elvis! I have 8 pounds or so of Unique, have you ever tried Unique with that same cast bullet? Any info is much appreciated! I have a some loaded at 4 grn at a 1.130 , I yet have to shoot. I just haven’t been able to get to the range. Let me know, Thanks.
Nice work! Thanks for working up those loads and showing us the process and results!
Like to see more results with Universal. Is it a better Unique?
David Giannini ... yep I will be playing with universal some more for sure. . That's a good way to put it.. a better unique! ; )
I'd take any of those groups. Excellent I'd say
Hi Elvis ! It looks like you just got a new subscriber . I have been seeking a powder where I can use for 9mm,45acp you have help a lot.
That rooster go all day like that Elvis? Lol
not really... but I imagine people hear it when I dont... I just tune all that out I guess...: ) didn't even know there was a sound at all...
Great video. Have you ever tried the Hodgdon CFE Pistol Powder? When I first started loading I was looking for some power suggestions and the two most popular seemed to be CFE and Tightgroupe. I really like the CFE Pistol but after seeing your video, I will have to try the Tight Group and the Universal. Thanks for all your videos Elvis Ammo. They have definitely helped me out so much when I first started loading and continue to do so. Happy Loading and keep up the great work.
Dead Money ...you are the exact reason for doing these videos. . throw out some other options for loads. While at the same time exploring for myself. I haven't tried the cafe pistol. I always want to and then can't get it for one reason or another. Tite group is a staple. looks like universal has my attention!
I'm big fan of CFE Pistol, switched from Titegoup as it seems lot cleaner . Stuff is not "baked on" like with TG
I'm just starting with reloading and plan on testing with Titegroup and CFE Pistol in both 9mm & 40 S&W. Looks like universal is something I might want to look at as well. Looking forward to seeing Elvis experiment more with it.
I sure do need to try that cfe pistol sometime
hey BSM you got some great powders there for sure... cant go wrong with any of these!
Nice shooting brother! Any one of those loads should serve you well.
The only thing that would improve them groups is some Bacon with it.... Cooked a some steel mesh! : )
Great vid and good shooting. What are you sizing them to?
I might have missed it...were these sized to .356? Great shooting! I haven't tried Universal yet, since it's very similar to Unique, which I've got a bunch of. I'll have to pick some up sometime and give it a shot. EDIT: nevermind...you said they were .356 in another comment.
Nice save on the edit.. : ) I should learn by now not to leave info like that out... You'll probably find that universal shoots quite a bit cleaner if thats of interest.. Those Hangfire vids are crazy good!
Yep... Universal is cleaner than unique. Meters nicely too.
I WOULD HAVE BET ANYTHING ELVIS WAS A 1911 MAN!
Broke my little steel heart😪
😁 😎 👍 😂
Yes Elvis I have a question first of all your videos are awesome so my question is I have the same Lee mold to cast my 9 mm with after I cast them I’d like to size them then I would like to powder coat them and size them again but do I still need to put the lubricant the Alox on it like they say because they’re a tumble lube design bullet please let me know how you would do it
Look at your group at 12 yards you made me embarrassed. Anyway, Universal 3.9 , that is it. Thanks man.
Impressive shooting and exploring of the Universal powder. I liked the results. Can you tell me, what type primer did you use, regular or magnum? Also, what brand bullets? Thx.
ThanK you.
Nice shooting and appreciate all the info.
On the AK round testing, I would like a great accurate load for my PINK Stocked AK. An Old Fat Guy shooting a Pink AK that is super accurate, what could be better?
That's just awesome! : ) Id be tickled PINK... : )
Enjoyed the information on this video. Great shooting I mean really. U must sleep with that gun
hey elvis do you do this for fun or do you own and reload professionaly??/thanks for all the videos.ive learned alot from you videos......
This video reminded me that i need to work up a load for 135 gr 9mm using CSB-1, i have 12 lbs that i need to use
Awesome Josue... I've never tried it yet. I haven't heard anything bad at all. Let me know how ya like it?
elvis ammo i use it alot for 44 special and ive used it for 115 gr 9mm loads but i recently started casting for 9mm so i want to use it for that as well
Good video
I can't get universal to meter in my rcbs powder dispenser so I stick to tite group it meters very well.
Thanks. Useful
I have now changed to Unique because it fills the case much better than TG and H700-X. Using that exact bullet, I load 4.5 grn.
whats your OAL. and do ya know the velocity fps?
Nice shooting elvis you encyclopedia of reloading and casting info. You made it so easy for me to start casting my own 9mm bullets. What is the heaviest 9mm bullet you have shot out of your glock? Im casting from a lyman 147gr mold, using wheel weights the bullets come out at 158gr. They seem to shoot good with adi ap70 powder with 3.2gr.
Hey James.. sounds like you might be from the OutBack.. (ADI) That's about as heavy as i've loaded 9mm 158gr. For subsonic ammo. The bullet style will help dictate reliable feeding.Thanks for watching and Happy Shooting Mate! : )
Yes sir adi (australian defense industry) there realy strict with the gun laws over here can't even use semi auto rifles but can use semi auto pistols 10round limit on the magazines. haha we cant even use a pump shotgun here anymore but i try and have fun with that we do have.