Exactly! The 955i Speed Triple was a Daytona 955i with the fairings removed, but the engine was detuned to bring the max 72lbft of torque in at a lower engine rev. You rode the torque, no need to redline it. Similar with the Speed Triple 1050i. These Speed Triples were a sporty road machine that could handle a track day. As far as I know that was the concept. This new Speed Triple 1200RS and RR should have fairings added and made a Daytona! They are not Speed Triples in the true sense of the concept, ultra stiff suspension, revvy engine and track focused. Numerous well known reviewers have stated if you are not into track days buy another machine and not the Speed Triple 1200RS! I understand Triumph are trying to match competition with Super Nakeds but these new Speed Triples will be a niche market, previous Speed Triple owners are not interested including me!! We'll keep our Speed Triple 955i's and 1050i's thank you! The 180bhp and 92lbft of torque on British clogged and bumpy roads is laughable too. Not to mention the prices - 11.6k more than what I paid for a new Speed Triple.... Forget it!
Hi Dave, I'm new to the channel & enjoying it so far. I have an RR & found my optimum setting is Sport mode with suspension set on comfort. (90kg rider). And I've fitted a Powerbronze double bubble screen & the wind protection is much improved. Addicted to thing!!! At 55 I don't find it uncomfortable once out on the open road. Such a beautiful bike & people are picking these up for under £15k new now.
Mine arrives next week. I'm 70kg. Be interesting to see what the suspension is like. As every triumph I've ever had, has been incredibly firm....saying that. I don't ride a bike to feel like I'm a passenger in a range rover. But looking forward to the electronic suspension
I'm glad you like it because I had a few niggles on my demo but still ordered a white RR ! I've had it a couple of months now and I love it ! Mega bike 😍
Headlights and sparkplugs, the only electric devices needed on a bike. And even then they don't always work on mine and I still can't cancel the indicators after nearly 40 years, then I can find the switch without pressing the horn. The gizmos on modern bikes would be the death of me Quality video once again! though The "bends" are so good that I bought a house on them and now perversely take the "back road" instead to save on tyres and fuel. As far as testing roads go, the "bends" are full of pot holes, funny cambers, tightening blind bends, first gear nonsense, tractor poo, wet leaves, and ditches just waiting to be filled with unwary bikers, yet still an absolute joy when the mood takes you.
@@dougiequick1 just try taking a 916 around the Bucknall/Bardney bends. Your kidneys will bleed. Superb bit of road but riddled with poor surface and occasionally mud dragged from fields by tractors. Oh, and horses. I genuinely moved here for that stretch of road though despite everything I said. From Bardney to Bucknall it's tight and "technical", from Bucknall to Horncastle it's more flowing and open. Turn left at the end of the road, first left at Baumber and take the back road back to Bardney, lovely, fast open road.
Triumph mismatched a few components on some of their bikes recently. I feel its due to think tank design via customer surveys. Who puts top grade brakes on a speed twin with basic suspension? Weird. Who leaves cruise control off their new sport tourer?
Good review as it goes I like the bike it does stand out from the rest and you were honest enough at the end I expect you could sort the spring and shifter maybe Triumph would help with this being the flagship bike it is 😉
Having done 700 miles now on mine, I’ve taken the plunge and bought a 95nm spring for the rear in the hope it just gives it a little more plush feel, the issue I found was that if you turn the rear down to ‘softest’ all that happens is it removes all the control for the shock so it’s still jarring and yet then looses all the plushness. I’m a heavy guy at 15st so in theory a 100nm probably isn’t miles off but I hope that the 95 just gives me the perfect balance. The street triples come with a 95nm and they feel firm but manageable
Great way to come back from Mexico, Wavey. I'm sure the RR niggles can easily be ironed out with a little bit of money, but I was kinda thinking you're more of a Tuono guy on the road? I still think the RR needs a full fairing. Yes I'm that old.
Thanks for a great review Dave. As a 6m owner this bike, I agree with some of the niggles. I think in Road mode, the throttle is very plush, but sport mode makes it worse. Wheelie system is very confusing, and getting a hold of the configuration takes time. I also think Euro5 has restricted quite a lot of the fun parts of the bike on lower RPMs. A proper exhaust (e.g SC-project) and a remap will make this bike much more fun (my plan for next year) Definitely not made for city traffic, some part of your body will start hurting soon. Alpine roads, curves, tracks are where this machine machine shines. Bonus: Watch a Speed Triple RR on Nordschleife on full attack mode (not me :) ua-cam.com/video/i7ynoX3gF00/v-deo.html
And really WHY did Triumph feel the need for the extreme ergos? Its obviously NOT a racebike so why on earth did they shove the bars down like that? IMHO the fairing should have been larger higher and not even put clip ons but rather just a flat standard bar ....or clip ons that produce the same effect as a higher bar just so they can say it has clip ons ....seems like nobody in charge of the project really tried to masaage out all the rough edges and make it a truly loveable motorcycle ....hence as much as I love the looks they lost my sale sorry to say ....hoping they fix it for 2024 I dont think it would take much
Good vid. Has there ever been a production sports road bike released that hasn’t been over sprung? My k4 gsxr was good straight out but never a bike since @71kg.
These sound absolutely sexual with a Racefit exhaust fitted. I quite like these as it goes, not sure I’d own one over my GSXR 1000’s though. But as another bike, most definitely!!
that bike is very stable, the powerplant owns plenty of torque ,but the bike in general looks out dated a bit. certainly a great choice as street ride,but i'm guessing the new S1000R,which basically follows the same ideology of the tuono in relation to the RSV4 , IS the best hyper naked out there.i'm eying it in fact lol
Why compare a faired bike to a naked s1000r? Compare the non RR version without the fairing street triple naked high bar right? Arguably this one is more in line with the S1000RR except it comes nowhere near close to as good ... And as for outdated looks THAT obviously was the goal here I believe..no? ....too bad Triumph made the ergos ridiculously uncomfortable ....with a higher larger fairing they could have maintained naked comfort and STILL captured the retro cafe "RR" look ...I think anyway darn I might have bought it save for the ergos ...as for naked bikes you can have em all lol.
Think a tuono v4 is better for the road. Triumph made a mistake with the race replica riding position. I hope the new yamaha r9 has a more considered bar height than the r7
I've owned a Tuono V4 factory and a Speed Triple RR. They are both great but very different. I personally like the Triumph's smooth linear power delivery and light weight. It also rides a bit better than the Tuono and for me, it's more comfortable because the RR riding position makes sense at higher speeds. The Tuono is very aggressive and wicked fun up to about 80mph where the lack of any wind protection makes the Tuono tiring and kind of a bitch. They are equally fast but where the RR is classy and deceptive, the Tuono is sexy, loud and in your face. Personal taste.
Have you become a moto vlogger now Dave? I love the blocking of the speedo . But my advice would be not to mention wheelies. The old bill can get a bit funny about it . Great video.
I’m confused, first he said he couldn’t wheelie it because of the wheelie control and he couldn’t figure it out. Then he says he wheelie it everywhere. So which is it.
OBVIOUSLY this is NOT racebike so WHY WHY WHY the extreme ergos? It;s like they just made it for looks alone and didnt care ....WTF?? COULD have been a wonderful bike I WOULD buy....just make the fairing larger and raise the damn bars! Then actually TUNE the motor etc to be what it is....a racy LOOKING bike that is NOT a racebike not a superbike ,,,,something very sporty and comfortable easy to ride,,,,,but they screwed up so badly
@@obsession_engineering wow and you were extra fair. I’ve been trying to force my self to love this bike because new is 7K off where I am but keep hearing bad things sadly.
What review films should be. Never change Dave
You should do more reviews Dave your rather good at it .
Exactly! The 955i Speed Triple was a Daytona 955i with the fairings removed, but the engine was detuned to bring the max 72lbft of torque in at a lower engine rev. You rode the torque, no need to redline it. Similar with the Speed Triple 1050i. These Speed Triples were a sporty road machine that could handle a track day. As far as I know that was the concept. This new Speed Triple 1200RS and RR should have fairings added and made a Daytona! They are not Speed Triples in the true sense of the concept, ultra stiff suspension, revvy engine and track focused. Numerous well known reviewers have stated if you are not into track days buy another machine and not the Speed Triple 1200RS! I understand Triumph are trying to match competition with Super Nakeds but these new Speed Triples will be a niche market, previous Speed Triple owners are not interested including me!! We'll keep our Speed Triple 955i's and 1050i's thank you! The 180bhp and 92lbft of torque on British clogged and bumpy roads is laughable too. Not to mention the prices - 11.6k more than what I paid for a new Speed Triple.... Forget it!
Hi Dave, I'm new to the channel & enjoying it so far. I have an RR & found my optimum setting is Sport mode with suspension set on comfort. (90kg rider). And I've fitted a Powerbronze double bubble screen & the wind protection is much improved. Addicted to thing!!! At 55 I don't find it uncomfortable once out on the open road. Such a beautiful bike & people are picking these up for under £15k new now.
Mine arrives next week. I'm 70kg. Be interesting to see what the suspension is like. As every triumph I've ever had, has been incredibly firm....saying that. I don't ride a bike to feel like I'm a passenger in a range rover. But looking forward to the electronic suspension
Great stuff Dave. Love this, along with the racing, the workshop stuff and a little bit of travel, the channel is one of my favourites.
Thanks. I try to keep a selection so I don't get bored either
I'm glad you like it because I had a few niggles on my demo but still ordered a white RR ! I've had it a couple of months now and I love it ! Mega bike 😍
Headlights and sparkplugs, the only electric devices needed on a bike. And even then they don't always work on mine and I still can't cancel the indicators after nearly 40 years, then I can find the switch without pressing the horn. The gizmos on modern bikes would be the death of me Quality video once again! though The "bends" are so good that I bought a house on them and now perversely take the "back road" instead to save on tyres and fuel. As far as testing roads go, the "bends" are full of pot holes, funny cambers, tightening blind bends, first gear nonsense, tractor poo, wet leaves, and ditches just waiting to be filled with unwary bikers, yet still an absolute joy when the mood takes you.
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@@dougiequick1 just try taking a 916 around the Bucknall/Bardney bends. Your kidneys will bleed. Superb bit of road but riddled with poor surface and occasionally mud dragged from fields by tractors. Oh, and horses. I genuinely moved here for that stretch of road though despite everything I said. From Bardney to Bucknall it's tight and "technical", from Bucknall to Horncastle it's more flowing and open. Turn left at the end of the road, first left at Baumber and take the back road back to Bardney, lovely, fast open road.
Great video more reviews on bikes please dave especially on the Lincolnshire roads 🇬🇧👍
I see you riding some of my favourite road's from horncastle to woodhall. 👍
Thank you!!
"The more I rode it, the less I noticed the little niggles..." That got me wondering how long the pretty girlfriend analogy lasts.
Triumph mismatched a few components on some of their bikes recently.
I feel its due to think tank design via customer surveys.
Who puts top grade brakes on a speed twin with basic suspension?
Weird.
Who leaves cruise control off their new sport tourer?
As always Dave,superb content 👍
Good review as it goes I like the bike it does stand out from the rest and you were honest enough at the end I expect you could sort the spring and shifter maybe Triumph would help with this being the flagship bike it is 😉
Should never have to "sort" screw ups ....this bike has too many if you ask me
Enjoyed that, things explained in a black n white way. 👍🏻
Having done 700 miles now on mine, I’ve taken the plunge and bought a 95nm spring for the rear in the hope it just gives it a little more plush feel, the issue I found was that if you turn the rear down to ‘softest’ all that happens is it removes all the control for the shock so it’s still jarring and yet then looses all the plushness. I’m a heavy guy at 15st so in theory a 100nm probably isn’t miles off but I hope that the 95 just gives me the perfect balance. The street triples come with a 95nm and they feel firm but manageable
Keep us posted, it's always good to know what's fixed these things
Great way to come back from Mexico, Wavey. I'm sure the RR niggles can easily be ironed out with a little bit of money, but I was kinda thinking you're more of a Tuono guy on the road? I still think the RR needs a full fairing. Yes I'm that old.
HAHA I knew you were a Tuono guy! (referencing latest video!)
Thanks for a great review Dave. As a 6m owner this bike, I agree with some of the niggles. I think in Road mode, the throttle is very plush, but sport mode makes it worse. Wheelie system is very confusing, and getting a hold of the configuration takes time. I also think Euro5 has restricted quite a lot of the fun parts of the bike on lower RPMs. A proper exhaust (e.g SC-project) and a remap will make this bike much more fun (my plan for next year)
Definitely not made for city traffic, some part of your body will start hurting soon. Alpine roads, curves, tracks are where this machine machine shines. Bonus: Watch a Speed Triple RR on Nordschleife on full attack mode (not me :) ua-cam.com/video/i7ynoX3gF00/v-deo.html
And really WHY did Triumph feel the need for the extreme ergos? Its obviously NOT a racebike so why on earth did they shove the bars down like that? IMHO the fairing should have been larger higher and not even put clip ons but rather just a flat standard bar ....or clip ons that produce the same effect as a higher bar just so they can say it has clip ons ....seems like nobody in charge of the project really tried to masaage out all the rough edges and make it a truly loveable motorcycle ....hence as much as I love the looks they lost my sale sorry to say ....hoping they fix it for 2024 I dont think it would take much
Spot on review.
Great review , might get one after this👍
You won't be disappointed. It's a fantastic backroad carver.
Good vid. Has there ever been a production sports road bike released that hasn’t been over sprung? My k4 gsxr was good straight out but never a bike since @71kg.
I'm sure there's been a few, it is normally the point of greatest compromise though
These sound absolutely sexual with a Racefit exhaust fitted. I quite like these as it goes, not sure I’d own one over my GSXR 1000’s though. But as another bike, most definitely!!
Good review
Luvely video, great review. More of the same please, maybe on used stuff?
I'll try 😁
Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing Claude from GTA 3 reviewing a bike. 🤣
I don't even know who or what that is!
that bike is very stable, the powerplant owns plenty of torque ,but the bike in general looks out dated a bit. certainly a great choice as street ride,but i'm guessing the new S1000R,which basically follows the same ideology of the tuono in relation to the RSV4 , IS the best hyper naked out there.i'm eying it in fact lol
Why compare a faired bike to a naked s1000r? Compare the non RR version without the fairing street triple naked high bar right? Arguably this one is more in line with the S1000RR except it comes nowhere near close to as good ... And as for outdated looks THAT obviously was the goal here I believe..no? ....too bad Triumph made the ergos ridiculously uncomfortable ....with a higher larger fairing they could have maintained naked comfort and STILL captured the retro cafe "RR" look ...I think anyway darn I might have bought it save for the ergos ...as for naked bikes you can have em all lol.
A bit off topic.. Is the fuel tank metal now or are they still using plastic for some of the fuel tanks??
I think they're metal now for most of the range
When I borrowed one I ended up breaking it🤣🤣 so I took it back a bit quick🤣🤣
Beautiful
Think a tuono v4 is better for the road.
Triumph made a mistake with the race replica riding position.
I hope the new yamaha r9 has a more considered bar height than the r7
I've owned a Tuono V4 factory and a Speed Triple RR. They are both great but very different. I personally like the Triumph's smooth linear power delivery and light weight. It also rides a bit better than the Tuono and for me, it's more comfortable because the RR riding position makes sense at higher speeds. The Tuono is very aggressive and wicked fun up to about 80mph where the lack of any wind protection makes the Tuono tiring and kind of a bitch. They are equally fast but where the RR is classy and deceptive, the Tuono is sexy, loud and in your face. Personal taste.
The shocks is not too hard. Adjust the factory suspension settings.
Adjusting the modes only made it worse, and it wasn't mine to play around with preload too much with.
Speed triple looks great but I don’t like the look of this version at all.
Have you become a moto vlogger now Dave? I love the blocking of the speedo .
But my advice would be not to mention wheelies. The old bill can get a bit funny about it .
Great video.
no wheelie and no burnouts , are you sure it's a speed triple ??
I’m confused, first he said he couldn’t wheelie it because of the wheelie control and he couldn’t figure it out. Then he says he wheelie it everywhere. So which is it.
It won't wheelie on throttle due to the electronics which are awkward to navigate, but will launch off crests ok
@@obsession_engineering I have a speed triple so similar wheelie control I would assume. Mine won’t wheelie on throttle or over crests.
OBVIOUSLY this is NOT racebike so WHY WHY WHY the extreme ergos? It;s like they just made it for looks alone and didnt care ....WTF?? COULD have been a wonderful bike I WOULD buy....just make the fairing larger and raise the damn bars! Then actually TUNE the motor etc to be what it is....a racy LOOKING bike that is NOT a racebike not a superbike ,,,,something very sporty and comfortable easy to ride,,,,,but they screwed up so badly
Exactly!
Maybe a set of handlebars... To make it a speed triple 🤣
Maybe if they offer this suspension on the RS..m
Let's slow up a bit is this half faired bike claimed to be a sports bike ??????
It is! Claiming to be the ultimate sports bike at that....
Where did you get 197hp from?? They never claimed that, official spec sheet says 180ps…. Explains why the botty Dyno didn’t feel like it
I think Dave did say 177bhp.
Just spotted he says 197 but onscreen corrects it! Fair enough
so basically it sucks and he hates but cant say anything bad or no more reviews
It wasn't the ultimate machine, but wasn't all bad. Not had a test bike from triumph since though 😂
@@obsession_engineering wow and you were extra fair. I’ve been trying to force my self to love this bike because new is 7K off where I am but keep hearing bad things sadly.
What do you think the ultimate machine is, top 3 if you can, thank you! @@obsession_engineering