🔴 Best Value Leica iii CLONE cameras | Nicca iiiS, Zorki C, Canon, Leica iiia, Leica iif, Leica iiig

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  • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
    @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

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  • @Definitely_not_Andrew_Yoshiaki
    @Definitely_not_Andrew_Yoshiaki 3 роки тому +10

    As an avid Nicca IIIF user I gotta say it’s a great deal to have. As a broke grad student, I really wanted a L mount lens camera, and since Leicas are out of the price range for me, I sought for a Nicca (and other clones you could find here in Tokyo). I got one in really good condition with a Nikkor HC 5cm F2 lens for about 300$ and it’s a work horse. Definitely want to try other lenses with it but boy is it a beauty, even with portraits.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Andrew, yes great camera and lens! Does exactly the same job :)

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому +1

      See some of my other videos for lenses, there are some great affordable options. More videos to come too.

    • @goiko1986
      @goiko1986 2 роки тому

      I just developed first film from NICCA IIIf, shot with jupiter 8, I am very happy with it

  • @dlyon9673
    @dlyon9673 3 роки тому +4

    As another comment on this very interesting video, I'd recommend looking at the Yashica rangefinders. One of Yashica's later rangefinders was the Yashica YE, which is a Barnack style camera, and as Yashica had purchased Nicca shortly before the YE came out, it feels to me like Yashica's YE is a refinement/variation of Nicca's later Barnack style cameras, with the same basic design, plus a film advance lever. I think its very nice camera. Prior to adopting Nicca's approach, Yashica had earlier came out with the Yashica 35, which is something of a Contax clone, but with a fixed lens. The Yashica 35 also is very nice camera, with a smooth film advance, a film advance lever, a very nice, soft shutter sound, and a solid rangefinder patch. Finally, the Yashica YF is Yashica's spin on Nicca's last design, the Nicca 33, and leaving the Barnack style behind, was something of an effort to match Leica's M3. The YF is also a very nice camera, with a big and bright viewfinder with nice bright framelines, although the rangefinder patch -- incorporated into the viewfinder as with Leica's M cameras -- is a bit disappointing and certainly not as nice as the Leica M. Yashica's lenses for these cameras are also very nicely made and appear very sharp, and the YE and YF use Leica's same thread mount, so these cameras will take any LTM threadmount lenses.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому

      Thanks D! I have looked to buy Yashica a few times in the past! I managed to resist pressing buy on eBay as a I had too many already but perhaps one day I will pick one up. Thanks!

  • @randolphcroft4212
    @randolphcroft4212 4 роки тому +4

    My grandfather had that Canon. I used it a few times when I was a teen. I wish I knew what happened to it, but it's been decades since he passed...

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      Ah very cool. My Grandfather had a Yashica MG-1 but I didn't know til after he passed as I got into photography late. I have the camera and have some some images with it (Full story on the blog).

  • @tomislavmiletic_
    @tomislavmiletic_ 4 роки тому +2

    I've inherited 2 Zorki cameras - the 3 and 4K. And while the model 3 is quite unusable, course the camera had sitting on the shelf for some 60+ years, and I can't find mechanic who would fix her (for reasonable amount of money), the 4K is from 1978, with pristine Jupiter 8, and in (almost) perfect working order. As a matter in fact, your videos nudged me to take that camera more often on a walk...

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      Great to hear you got 2 Zorki! I really like mine :) The 4K setup sounds perfect! Yes you need to use it :) As for the 3 it sounds sad but it might be easier to get another cheap on eBay.. Cheaper than fixing. (I will do a Zorki vs Leica shoot out in a future video so stay tuned!) :)

  • @gottanikoncamera
    @gottanikoncamera 4 роки тому +3

    Sooner or later people will get tired of gear stuff and want BTS of your shoots.
    Posting this for a friend, lol.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      OverDubb I do already! See Patreon! That has a weekly model BTS video plus other stuff.

    • @gottanikoncamera
      @gottanikoncamera 4 роки тому

      Yeah, I found that right after I posted, lol. Thanks, Matt, er, Mr. Leica.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +2

      @@gottanikoncamera No problem.. yes i'm trying to keep YT for gear reviews (as that's what most people seem to want) then Patreon for models / other stuff

  • @randallstewart175
    @randallstewart175 4 роки тому +1

    The Nicca has been described as so close a cone of one of the Leica models that the internal parts can be interchanged between them. At last in the US, I doubt you can acquire a Nicca for the price he suggests. The Leica IIIg carries a price tag these days well above its prior models because relatively few were made and they combine the mechanics of the prior model with the much improved viewfinder optics of the Later M models. In college in the mid-1960s, a dorm roomate had one - very nice camera.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      Thanks, Yes I can confirm that I get my Nicca and iiia confused. They are to my eyes identical except the name plate.

    • @goiko1986
      @goiko1986 2 роки тому

      I bought mine IIIf from japan for incl. shipping, tax and customs €139! nice looking, tiny dent, fully functional

  • @jonlouis2582
    @jonlouis2582 4 роки тому +1

    That was very a very interesting comparison. I have a number of these cameras, but the only ones I use are a Leica iii, and a very early Leica ii that was converted to a iii somewhere along the line. Both are pretty ugly looking, but work great The Zorki C that was supposedly serviced before being sold by a Russian vendor arrived inoperative, completely jammed. I also have a Nicca that needs a shutter service, but my repair tech didn't want to work on it and returned it. I have several Canon clones that work well but have very squinty viewfinders, and pointy bits that rub me the wrong way. All in all, the Leica's turned out to be the best deal, even considering the cost of service which both needed. Your iif is really lovely.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      jon louis thanks I paid slightly more for the iif for a nice copy and that’s my goto iii camera now. Really clear contrasty RF 👌🏻 Sorry to hear about your clones.

    • @ernestovargas1254
      @ernestovargas1254 4 роки тому

      Jon Louis I use Yye Camera Leica service email wye@yahoo.com one of the best techs for Leica and copies in the states.

  • @caldera878
    @caldera878 4 роки тому +5

    Whoever disliked this video must of gotten Leica remorse!

  • @AGL93311
    @AGL93311 4 роки тому +1

    Nice piece, Matt. I see you have a Canon LTM body other than the 7. Looks like an L2 (no selftimer, cloth shutter and no X setting on shutterspeed dial), but maybe an L3, (cannot see if flash port is present), be great if you would review it.
    Regarding the Nicca (also sold in USA by Sears under their brand as a Tower) the lens to use with it is the one it most commonly came with , the Nikkor 50/2 HC, a superb optic, a hard coated clone of the prewar Zeiss Sonnar f2. The Nikkor can focus to about 0.5m and in my experience focuses by rangefinder a couple of inches closer than 1 meter, but certainly very useful with mirrorless digital cameras. A nice pair with a Summitar(or Canon 50/1.8) giving you the choice of Sonnar or Planar looks...
    An early 1950's consumer choice of a Leica IIIc with Summitar vs a Nicca 3S(Tower) with Nikkor in retrospect was a difficult one to make considering the price differential.
    Leica reputation, lack of knowledge about the Nicca/Nikkor and anti-Japanese product bias played into consumer decisions at the time...

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Adam, yes correct an L2 or L3.. I'd need to look at eBay listing. I only bought it for the hard to find lens so I've never used it. (I got the 40mm filter set too which was good). Yes I bought the Nicca for the 50/2 lens :) You see a pattern here! An excellent lens and you will see a video to come on this. Thanks for the Sonnar vs Planar point / reminder. Yes the Summitar is sub-standard vs these mentioned lenses - ie. soft. But you will see that to come too. I found it can be useful for some skin types.

  • @sgiruc
    @sgiruc 4 роки тому +2

    Fed 2 - small, stylish and with strap lugs

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +2

      Agreed! I have it.. I need to use it more then I can do a video :) ...a "real" one bought in antique stop in Ukraine when I was there years ago :)

  • @DonWood
    @DonWood 3 роки тому +1

    I am awaiting delivery of an Agfa ambi silette described by some as ‘the poor mans Leica’ I cannot wait till it gets here 😀👍❤️

  • @LeendertCordemans
    @LeendertCordemans 3 роки тому +2

    Most best clone of the Leica II is the Zorki 1 and FED 1. Also the Canon IIf clone of the Leica III. But als the Minolta 35.

  • @espenbjrkvold5119
    @espenbjrkvold5119 4 роки тому +2

    That Nicca camera does indeed look interesting. I will certainly look into that one. 😊 Thank you for sharing this.

  • @sailingandpaintingtheworld538
    @sailingandpaintingtheworld538 4 роки тому +1

    Hi matt thanks for the info on the various cameras but could you tell me what sort of negative scanner you use.
    I need one for a project. Many thanks

  • @1peterq
    @1peterq 3 роки тому +2

    Did you tried Zorki 3 or Zorki 3M ? It is definetly the most nice looking soviet LTM cameras. Technically it is compact version of Zorki 4 but without flash sinc and selftimer.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Peter, no I bought the Zorki 4 but still need to film test it. Is the viewfinder good in the 3s? That bit is the post important to me - VF/RF. Maybe I need to get one :)

    • @1peterq
      @1peterq 3 роки тому

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Techically Zorki 4 is a Zorki 3C with added self-timer (Zorki 3C is a Zorki 3M with flash sync and ugly top cover. Zorky 3M is Zorky 3 with combined shutter dial for long and short shutter speeds). So they share the same viefinder wth 1.15x maginfication (better than ANY Leica) - the best (by picture ) VF for mass soviet RFs. But RF spot is not the best - FEDs and Kiev have better one.
      And of course no framelines in a viewfinder - in Soviet rangefinders with interchangeble lens this feature was only in a small numbers of models - Leningrad, Drug, Kiev-5 and FED-5C. And only FED-5C can be taken in a considerations for shooting today. All the rest models had BIG problems with reliability, was made in a small numbers and now are interested only for collectors, not shooters.

    • @1peterq
      @1peterq 3 роки тому +1

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom If you are paying most attention to VF - try to look for overview of Leningrad camera. You will definetly like the view! But don`t mention it for buing to shoot - it was "reporters camera" so it has no frame by frame manual drive, only spring drive for a buch of shots (8-10). And due to this spring drive the mechanism is heavely stressed even on normal shooting - usually it leads to RF disalignment after 2-3 rolls of film. Also this RF had own space construction frame made from silumin alloy instead of steel and these frames usually are broken - and no way for fixing it, only frame replacement (taken from another one Leningrad) . So it is hard to find camera with extremily hard to find working RF - and even after it you have absolutly no warranty that it will not become fatal dead on a next roll of film with a neglectible hope for repaire.
      But the picture in RF is SUPER. :)

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому

      @@1peterq thanks Peter!

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому

      @@1peterq thanks Peter!

  • @maureenbachmann1858
    @maureenbachmann1858 2 роки тому +1

    I'm having trouble finding a lens for Nicca - what was it called? Thanks

  • @jcarter4073
    @jcarter4073 3 роки тому +1

    Hello Matt, if I could ask you about the Zorki C in this video. Around the shutter dial and below it is I think a millisecond flash sync dial. If I was going to use a simple electronic flash, do I need to set the dial on the Zorki at one of the numbers or do I just forget them and fire away. I have just bought this camera but I have no instructions. Many thanks.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому

      Hi, sorry i've not yet used my Zorki with flash. Can you test fire without film and see what works? Leicas differ depending on the model so no set rule sadly. You might need to use some cheap film and test it.

    • @jcarter4073
      @jcarter4073 3 роки тому

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you for the reply. Yes, I will go away and do some testing and see what happens. Or rather what develops.

  • @GeorgeStar
    @GeorgeStar 3 роки тому +1

    I never understood what that little lever next to the rewind know was for. Diopter? I played with it when I had a IIIc but never could see any difference.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому

      Sorry for delay. ,maybe your's is not working, they are a gamechanger for me! I can see! (Push 1 way to focus closer, and other to focus to infinity)

  • @JimGriffin
    @JimGriffin 4 роки тому

    To answer your question in the video...yes...I have some Leica clones. Before I came across the great deal on my Leica iiif, I was buying into the Russian clones and lenses. I have a Zorki 1, Zorki 4, Zorki 4k, and a Fed 2. My favorite of those is the Zorki 1. Other than the shutter sound being louder, it feels great just like my iiif. For lenses, I have many Industars...all of them 50mm...the 22, the 50 and the 61. I then have some Jupiters...the 3, 8 and 12. I haven't tried all of the lenses on the Leica...only the Industar 22 and 50...which work well. I've heard that the Jupiters may have some focusing issues when used on the Barnack Leica cameras, so I figure that it will give me a good reason to shoot the Zorki and Fed cameras. 😊

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      Jim Griffin thanks Jim and good to see you hear. Yes I have a FED2 and nearly bought the Zorki 4/4A. Yes these bodies work great too with Industars. Yes my Jupiter 3 doesn’t work on Leica but maybe just my copy. J-12 lens is nice too 👍🏻😊

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      Jim Griffin ..you’ll see some of the lenses you mentioned to come in the Series 2 lens series 👍🏻😊

    • @JimGriffin
      @JimGriffin 4 роки тому

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom If you are going to get a Zorki, I'd recommend the Zorki 1, then the Zorki 4...then the Zorki 4K. Although the 4k has a winding lever, it feels cheaper. It could just be my copy though. I have found that I prefer the winding knob on these cameras anyway.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      Jim Griffin thanks Jim! The most important thing for me is a good rangefinder.

    • @JimGriffin
      @JimGriffin 4 роки тому

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I totally agree...because as I age, and my eyes don't cooperate like they used to, the rangefinder is critical. I like having the diopter adjustment on the iiif. I would like to get into an M3 or M6 but right now, the $$ can be put elsewhere. I may also start using my SLRs a bit more...easier to focus. 😁😉

  • @tuftufclub159
    @tuftufclub159 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Matt, very intresting informations ! For me, a real eyeopener ! Greetings, Roger.

  • @dreunderscore3314
    @dreunderscore3314 3 роки тому +10

    The N word pass camera

  • @tikkathreebarrels
    @tikkathreebarrels 4 роки тому +1

    I've got the Zorki/Fed bodies and enjoy them, I've also got a Bessa R: what might I get from trying th Nicca and/or Canon bodies?

    • @AGL93311
      @AGL93311 4 роки тому +1

      A more accurate rangefinder for use with fast lens, particularly close up.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      If the Fed and Zorki models don't have the built in diopter then if you don't have 20:20 vision the Nicca should help you focus better (or Leica). Compared to Bessa R all these cameras have much more accurate rangefinder (see my Bessa R video as I mention this).

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      These cameras are better with 50mm lenses, the Bessa R is better for wider as has the 35mm framelines + use entire VF for 28mm approx.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      Thanks Adam, I agree vs Bessa R

  • @gilbertleon5607
    @gilbertleon5607 3 роки тому +1

    How many exposures do you loose on a roll of film because you have to trim the film in order to load it in to a camera?

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому +1

      Less than you think..maybe 2 but compared to the ‘modern’ automated film cameras. Some of those loose more as they auto wind on. The le both cut is 2-3 frames but you still get 36ish (from memory) just not 38.

  • @neilpiper9889
    @neilpiper9889 2 роки тому +2

    All Barnack quick loaders!

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  2 роки тому

      Hey Neil, there is a model will a M style back door for quick loading too.

  • @danieltuba3843
    @danieltuba3843 3 роки тому +1

    So lets say, i can use my zorki 1c for example with a leica summitar 50mm f2?

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому

      Hi Riley, yes correct. Will mount ok and focus but might not be 100% accurate at f2 as slightly different flange distance, all Soviet bodies vs Leica

    • @danieltuba3843
      @danieltuba3843 3 роки тому +1

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks for the fast response. :) I have a friend who make professional CLA-s and repairs. Maybe he can calibrate it for me. I will buy a Leica body one day, but first I have to complete my hassy setup.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому +1

      @@danieltuba3843 nice, I like Hassy too, need to use them again! See those vids! :)

    • @danieltuba3843
      @danieltuba3843 3 роки тому +1

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I like your videos, also your stunning photos on Flickr! Thanks for sharing. :))

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому +1

      @@danieltuba3843 🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @avistrader9126
    @avistrader9126 4 роки тому

    Hi Matt, maybe you can do a comparison between a leica m2/3/4 and the cannon p/7. Is there any difference between the viewfinder of those cameras. I just bought a canon 7 with a canon 50mm 1.8 ltm but the lens had some minor traces of haze and have send the hole kit back to the seller. Is it worth spending the extra cash on a leica m and leica 50mm lens or is the canon as good as the leica? Thanks

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks I have already done the M2 vs M3 and M4-P vs M6 (See Leica playlist or film camera playlist to see videos). I have Canon 7 to come. Yes there is a difference. Maybe I will try to do the Canon this week.. Canon lenses can be good but may have haze. Leica cameras are my preference by far but check the Voigtlander Bessa videos I did. They can be good. Maybe Bessa R + Canon lens or Bessa T.. see videos as each has own quirks. M3 is best.

    • @avistrader9126
      @avistrader9126 4 роки тому

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks

  • @nickdigrispino2409
    @nickdigrispino2409 4 роки тому +1

    What about the FED 1 and 2?

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      I have the FED 2 but the design doesn't match these quite the same so I left it out. I will include it in another future video. (I don't have the FED 1 sorry).

  • @RobBob555
    @RobBob555 3 роки тому +2

    £300 ?? dont think so mate..much more expensive, only saw 1 in the UK under 400,the rest are sky high,, il stick with my Zorki 4K for now :O)

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Rob! Most of mine were under £350 and bought in the last 2 years but the prices of everything just keeps going up. I have Zorki 4! I need to film test it.

    • @RobBob555
      @RobBob555 3 роки тому +1

      @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom well, there's a couple here and there, but for the most part, yes, prices have gone crazy .no doubt due to the hipster virus 😁

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  3 роки тому

      @@RobBob555 well at least I can’t be blamed for that bit, I’m
      Not a cool hipster!

  • @johnny_bravo9990
    @johnny_bravo9990 4 роки тому +1

    You are awesome 🙏

  • @marioesquivel5735
    @marioesquivel5735 2 роки тому +1

    I scored a zorki c for 10 US dollars.

  • @physiocrat7143
    @physiocrat7143 4 роки тому +1

    There is also the Reid but it is more expensive than a Leica!

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      Physiocrat thanks yes there are more, I just mentioned a few common ones. Yes Reid and TH both cost more I think! :)

    • @brandonscherff9344
      @brandonscherff9344 4 роки тому

      Matt Osborne there is also the American Kardon, but they cost way more than a Leica also

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому

      Brandon Scherff thanks, that’s a new one on me!

  • @Zetaphotography
    @Zetaphotography 2 роки тому +1

    IIIB with 5cm F2

  • @jessekoskinen
    @jessekoskinen 4 роки тому

    Leica clones! What blasphemy is this? Seriously though, screwmount bodies are very nice looking. I'd love to have a Leica IIIG. An original black paint one if money was no object. I'll have to be happy with a normal chrome one though. I'm a cook, not a millionare.

    • @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
      @MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Jesse, you must be an excellent cook as you looked at the Thambar! :P :P (Joking).. my spending is heavily bias towards my interests then I save elsewhere (like having no house or TV ha) :) IIIG is nice if spot one at good price on eBay.