The TRUTH About Playing 'Alt/Indie' Guitar The Pros Know!
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Ever wondered why when you play your favourite guitar riffs or try and write them yourself they don’t sound quite as good as the bands you love! Well, here’s some tips the pros are using to level up that playing!
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What I love so much about shoegaze is that it is at it's core, extraordinarily easy to play technically. But because of when its played with all of the effects it becomes so incredible.
100%! And the fact that someone made those sounds in the first place is testimony to why your guitar sound is sometimes equally important.
I’ve been thinking a lot about the thing of practicing WITH pedals and effects on. I usually just play and write riffs, progressions, etc. not even plugged in (I’m a hobbyist player and have never been in a band.) I want to get better at tones and sounds, and I know that I will play differently and write different kinds of stuff based on the tone. So thanks for the reminder!
Just remember thers a big difference between the in the room tone and a live band or mix ready tone
No probs! It’s not something I always do, like you I write at home sometimes just on my acoustic but it definitely helps make different ideas!
Great stuff as always! Thanks for your hard work.
Glad you enjoyed it mate!
Really impressive production on this video, keep it up this is awesome stuff
Thanks so much!
Dude youre inspiring me to finally finish my songs
And your band is so sick!!
Thanks so much mate! finish those tunes 🫡
@@thesethingsmakenoiseshell yes
Lots of valuable tips here, as usual! Have been getting more into practicing with delay recently, it immensely improves my timing.
(On a sidenote, the Valhalla Supermassive is like the best free vst out there imho). Another great lesson!
Thanks so much! It’s so great right!!
Brilliant video, Dan! 2:40 😍
Thanks Daria!!
Actually, regarding Eddie Van Halen, I've heard elsewhere that he took piano lessons as a child, and had been working on the keyboard part for Jump for 2-3 years but it had always been rejected by the band until it finally got his way on 1984.
Ahh no way really?
There is no "sticking to music theory". At least not really. All theory is to me is a communication and analysis tool. What you showed there, making the three chord of a major scale major is called a secondary dominant. It resolves well to the vi chord, which is how you used it. The way it works is that the iii chord is no longer iii. It is the V of vi. Not breaking any rules at all. Whip a minor seventh on that secondary dom and see how that sounds!
Thanks a really cool way to look at it!
The timing thing is interesting... I'm just over 40 years old now. I have a friend, how has played in bands on and off since his teens, and he's a bit of a classic metal and hard rock guitarist. He's not a great soloist, but has the riffs. I've always considered him the better guitarist. When we were recording a track together a couple of years ago, he was all over the place. He couldn't play to the click or to the programmed drums, even though it wasn't a very difficult or fast track. Me, on the other hand, I've been recording songs since the early 2000's, and obviously, most of my songs are shite, but after so many years I've grown accustomed to play in time, so when I started playing with a band, it wasn't difficult at all. Also, I'm an okay songwriter. Not very productive (you know, having a job and a family means there are other priorities), but I've got some good finished songs and some good songs on the way. And I've learned to play and know when to leave space, so I'm not overcrowding the song, so to speak. I'm doing a similar thing in some songs as you're doing in your examples there. I also have a pretty good ear, so I'm happy about that.
I used to practice, but these last couple of years, I'm more into songwriting, with a lot of effects. My effects are my colour palette and I really like that stuff! But sometimes I would really like to be a shredder. Like Billy Corgan!
Oh, at 6:35 you stole my song! ;D
It’s a huge thing for sure!!
😂😂 I’m sorry!
I agree with most of this. I luckily have always played to drums of some sort even before i played in bands. But as for the theory, i know nothing and will remain that way lol.
I've just played by ear and watched the crap out of guitarists i love. I realized i was doing things just fine on my own when multiple guys who could shred like crazy (i thought they were famous guitarists, they were that incredible) approached me, on seperate occasions, and asked me how i was doing certain things on the guitar (i was mostly making odd sounds and riffs), they wanted me to teach them lol. I was almost speechless.
So, the point of the story is that you dont need lessons or theory if you're really into music and truly love it. Also, i think playing with your effects on is a HUGE part of finding your sound. But its also true that you need to have your technique down first
Yeah fair play!
Hi! Nice video! What about a tutorial on how to use drums on Logic pro? And some free cool plugins? Thanks!
That’s a good shout! I’m sending out an email today on my mailing list with a free reverb plug-in that I’ve been using at the mo!
@@thesethingsmakenoises good!
Subscribed! Thanks!
Focus on having a frog mug. Solves all tone problems.
It's an awesome mug 💯
Hahaha! It’s the secret to all my tone.
@@thesethingsmakenoises Tone Frog is now officially a thing good people.
hey dude, i wanna ask u about pedal order. i'm struggling to order this. i have some pedal like
• boss bd 2
• big muff green russian
• keelley loomer
• chorus
• and zoom ms70cdr ( usually i use this for delay, trem and shimmer)
do you have some advice about my pedal order? i wanna reach some shoegaze sound but not really close with mbv
In my opinion I’d go with the order you’ve written here except try the Kelley loomer last
I definitely agree with the effects tip you can play amazing all you want but if you sound like everyone else whats the point? I mean imagine Party In The Dark by Mogwai without the trippy vocals and reverb and delay and stuff
Haha yeah exactly!! Have you ever watched the Bill Bailey stand up where he 'plays the edge' without the effects and it's like twinkle Twinkle little star or something
About your last point.. I started playing guitar again half a year ago, and I didn't have a guitar amp for several months. A lot of riffs that I wrote, which sounded nice without amp, didn't sound any good at all with a distorted amp, and I had developed a few bad habits that wasn't apparent without the amp. Practicing with the intended sound is very important indeed!
Yeah that’s a really good point mate!
Awesome video. When you get ready for the music theory/chords in the key of E video. I have PDF breakdowns for free if you want to use them. Save you some work.
Ahhh thank you so much!
dude i love using the garageband/logic drummer for jamming!
So good isn’t it!
@@thesethingsmakenoises whats your favorite kit/drummer to use? I really enjoy the heavy kit and hard rock drummer
I very much believe that creating sounds and textures is a skill unto it's own that needs practice if you want to do it.
Like if you give 2 delay pedals to the Edge vs the average guitarist you're gonna get way different results, and getting into that kind of creative thinking and trial and error is harder than you think.
Yeah 100%!
that mug ❤🔥
Haha it’s a beast
On synth being doing so for a while. Guitar is something different 😂
Checking out the Boss SL-2...pretty cool pedal...if you have a slight idea what you're doing... 😮
Haha I’ll have a proper look at it!
Ive been trying to do the opposite of billy corgan and taking simple nirvana/grunge riffs and applying it to death metal
Great shout!
Where did you get that mug?
It was lying about at my parents house ready to be thrown out, so I had to save it! It’s a beauty right 😂
Space is your friend. 👽👾👽👾
Want to sound heavy? Leave space, leave in dynamics. Playing in the pocket is loads of fun!
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I never wondered why my playing didn't sound as good as a million dollar mixed album
Well, in my experience mixing becomes 100x easier when the parts have been played well.
@@thesethingsmakenoises true that
Yes. You DO want to aim towards relying solely on your ears for playing. I mean, certainly learn theory. But learn to rely on your ears to create melodies. That's far more important than shredding. Listen to 100 shredders on youtube and you'll realize they all sound mostly the same. Just a flurry of notes. Don't do that.
Absolutely!