The Comics Journal 152, August 1992, part 2
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- The Comics Journal 152, part 2 - we continue comparing and contrasting mainstream and alternative comics. Chris Claremont, Alan Moore, Evan Dorkin, and David Mazzucchelli talk about their experiences inside and outside of the Marvel/DC machine.
• Chris Claremont's first big interview after leaving his 17-year position as X-Men writer
• Alan Moore on the current state of comics and culture
• A young Evan Dorkin talks Milk & Cheese, Bill & Ted, Pirate Corps, Deadline magazine, comics retail, Marvel, wrestling, music, and art
• David Mazzucchelli turns self-publisher with Rubber Blanket! He also talks about Daredevil and Batman
• Justin Green's sketchbook
• The first Artist Edition?
Supplemental links for later viewing:
* Kim Thompson Ronin 1 review (from Comics Journal 82, July 83):
www.tcj.com/run...
* Vice interview with Issei Sagawa:
video.vice.com...
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Your channel has lit a fire in me that I thought was dead, I can’t thank you enough. I’ve also had a like or two on my instagram from the both of you of late, which is just fucking awesome. Thank you.
Your love and deep appreciation for comics of all stripes and forms makes these videos a true joy. This is some serious intellectual discussion about the medium and all the elements that go into it from the art, creation, the form, the business and enjoyment as a fan. Keep up the good work and many thanks for your hard work on this series!
I thought about this while you guys were talking about Claremont and the little power he had despite being a bestselling author:
Kyle Baker told a story at CXC 2017 were he was kicked off his Plastic Man comic BECAUSE it was so successful. DC didn't want him to have too much power or leverage over them so they simply ended his reign. That was the same panel were Pete Bagge mentioned that his Spider-Man comic (published by Marvel) was his highest selling comic ever as an individual cartoonist, but it was the lowest selling Spider-Man comic in the history of Spider-Man comics.
Regarding Alan Moore's mention of the Eros line funding Fantagraphics, during this era I'm buying all the "toxic" X-books, the Mirage/Tundra stuff from the Turtles to the artier and more extreme titles like Bratpack, a bunch of the Eros titles, tons of weird b/w indies, AND Spawn. I was probably driving my local comics shop owner crazy because he's having to order something like Ho Che Anderson's 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' that nobody in my town but me was gonna buy. But from the mid '80s on I was religiously reading Comics Buyers Guide and Comics Scene and Amazing Heroes and The Comics Journal and these media outlets covered ALL OF IT. They were running articles on Faust, Watchmen, Moebius, the Clowes stuff, manga, whatever big movie was coming out like Batman 89, or whatever the fuck. So in my mind it was just all comics. I never got the fragmentation. I will say this, VCR's were not rare during the Eros era.
I first heard of Rapeman sometime in the 90's because its name was taken by a band that included Steve Albini from Big Black and Shellac. I've never encountered it though.
I have seen a documentary on Issei Sagawa (the Japanese cannibal) though. He apparently did porno in Japan to capitalize on his fame. He basically got off because his parents were well connected in the government.
I'm excited for the next Wizard issue, but I'm already missing Comics Journal.
Great episode guys. Comics Journal is always a dense fulfilling read. Hope to see a couple more of these in the future.
Thank you for the words about Kim. I never got to meet him, but he was the first one to publish me. May he rest in peace.
Hey Alan Moore, Dan Clowes interned at Cracked!
That "Absolute Batman Year One" is a handsome collection. It's a real brain opener to go through Mazzucchelli's post "Year One" work. I'm a big fan of his adaption of "City Of Glass" (I get a lot of flak for it, but I think it's far stronger than the source material).
Also - You guys bringing in the supplemental material is 110%. Many thanks for the extra work.
Nirvana studio engineer Steve Albini named one of his 80s rock bands after the Rapeman comic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeman
No sleeping tonight...Must..Finish...Video...Before...Sleep.
Watching you guys talk about the Chris Claremont interview and I'm all like, "why don't comic artists and writers form a union?"
Listening to people talk about the impending fall of the speculator's market reminds me of hearing old people talk about cigarettes. They can pretend they didn't know it was bad for them but if you added up all the clues, you had to know.
All hail Les Daniels’ COMIX!
Put me in that small percentage that reads Hip-Hop Family Tree AND X-Men Grand Design! You better believe I'll be picking up that Splatterpunk book, too!
One day I hope to see the Banana Pajama Mother F#@#ers...
I was pretty rapt watching both of these Comics Journal videos. That was an amazing issue that really speaks to a particular moment, and it was wonderful listening to Jim and Ed talk about it. I remember buying the Comics Journal in the mid-80s without really knowing what it was because they were interviewing Alan Moore and Frank Miller (Swamp Thing and Dark Knight were my favs, of course). My first exposures to Moebius and Crumb were through spotlight issues that the journal did on them. My mind was thoroughly blown, and I don't think I'd have developed a love for people like Herriman, Barks, or Hal Foster if it weren't for the Comics Journal.
neil gaiman DID interview los bros. i don't know what issue of 'tcj', but it was reprinted in 'the love and rockets companion' a few years ago.
It was issue 178 - Jim
Hi guys. I know i am late here but what ever. Your point about money maxing and cooperative takeover in the comic wars is reminding me of the mcu right now. Greetings
First Flight happened, it was a novel about jet pilots. It was ok but nothing special.
I always wonder what would've happened with Image had Claremont and Portacio gone through with The Huntsman. Could've been the best written Image book
I don't think it's a slam dunk. As much as I enjoyed Claremont's X-books, I can't think of another title of his that I would endorse. What else stands out in his catalog? - Jim
@@CartoonistKayfabe you're probably right. There isn't much of his that stands out. Would've at least sold up there with like Savage Dragon, though. Might've at least changed Claremont & Portacio's trajectory. Either that, or it holds the same legacy as Wetworks.
Jeremy Pinkham I read that Marada back in the day. I was enthusiastic since it was Claremont and Bolton, but it didn’t seem to have much going for it aside from the names. I think it first appeared in Epic magazine. I was excited about Bolton as an artist, but now that fully painted stuff seems so clunky to me.
Cartoonist Kayfabe Agreed. I always wanted to see where he would take another pre-built book like the Fantastic Four or Avengers. I was an X-Men freak during the Claremont, Byrne, and Austin years. I read it for another 3-4 years after Byrne left, but I always found the art lacking and that extended Alien knockoff storyline bored me to death. That “aimless era” left me feeling like Claremont could be great but that he needed someone strong to work with to bounce ideas around. I also have the CJ issue just before the New Mutants book is released which interviews him with his ideas about that. I also felt that his initial ideas for NM weren’t very interesting since I was buying those when they started and it felt so formulaic. I stopped reading before anything interesting occurred.
@@CartoonistKayfabe his run on Spider-Woman was fun....
Can you guys peruse some Mr. X comics?
1:30:17 Evan is our homeboy...
I bought a copy of Binky Brown from Denis Kitchen last year and it was signed. Super awesome.
Not only is there a Rapeman manga, but also an anime, and several live action films. Just when I thought Japan couldn't illicit a "wtf" out of me anymore...
Did it inspire the Steve Albini band of the same name?