You know my passion for Libertads like no others. I have always used Coin Week Supplies for quality Air Tites. I think that came from you many moons ago. As far as silver Libs I am cozy with my entire setup of these great pieces. I can still have more though eh, LOL. Thanks a bunch for the update on these wonderful pieces. My passion for Mexican silver continues as strong as ever.
I have been a dedicated stacker since 2012 and long time follower of your channel. I've prioritized easy resale through silver bullion coins and rounds with lower premiums. My appreciation for Mexican Libertads beauty and low mintages led me to purchase all sizes heavily in 2014 and 2015 at reasonable premiums. I capitalized on their growing demand through eBay sales for several years. Once their popularity soared, dealers started to capture all markups, making significant profits difficult to achieve. I did not purchase any Libertads this year for the first time in 10 years. I still have over 1,000oz, mostly sealed in mint bags from 2018 and 2020 which are semi key dates, along with all the 7 pc proof sets going back to 2014. Unfortunately, I won't expand my Libertad holdings further unless premiums come way down. Lady Libertads will always hold a special place in my heart and allowed my to increase my silver stack! I'm now comfortable with my stack and will sit on it until the gold silver ratio comes back down to earth!
Agreed! We started around the same time and I’ve done well on the Libs over the years but as you stated I’m not going whole hog as the dealers have stolen my thunder for flipping!
Man those old premiums were the bomb. I remember when Apmex was pushing out the 2014 five ounce libs for about $100 bucks. When popularity and premiums soared in the last two years, I planned to sell them. And I did. I don't speculate the way I used to, but if I did I try to remember that high premium coins in your stack represent an opportunity cost unless realized and reinvested. I like the 1 oz bu this year. not too bad around $30...
I have almost the whole FDOI 2023 PR70 DCAM set just need the 5oz to complete it BUT out of all of those I did have 1 come back spotted and that was the 1oz but I sent it back and they sent me a new one PLUS gave me a whole refund so I saved myself $120
I have a couple that are slabbed. I have a NGC MS67 1998 1oz & NGC 2020 1oz Reverse Proof PF70. I sent others to be graded, but I was informed that the other reverse proofs would not get a straight grade.
Well if those are correct, I guess my 1/4 and 1/2 BU gold might have been an OK buy! Also that’s weird that the mintages are not round numbers like usually televised. I wonder if that’s the amount that has actually been minted but may not be finished? I know in years past there had been some distrust in Banco de Mexico because they were thought to be minting older collector coins many years later. Supposedly that was why their coins weren’t popular back in the earlier 2000’s. At least that’s what Don Bailey told me long ago. I don’t think it was ever proven or disproven. Thanks Louie.
The 2023's Preorders for Silver Libertads started in mid-October this year. The Gold Libs started releasing for Preorder in Mid September. Both through Chitown Coin for 2023 USA allocations. Initial Preorder date for the Silver Reverse Proofs was October 16. I placed an order within 5 minutes of receiving the In stock notification from Chitown, as I figured the 1oz RPs would sell out quick. They sold out their preorders within a day. I received the 1oz and 2oz RPs I preordered on Jan 10. Extra month wait over the other dealers, but I saved $120+ on the 1oz RP ($259) , and $50 on the 2oz ($229). Monument Metals currently seems to have the lowest price on the 1oz RPs at $380. Apmex $423.
So this is disappointing...WTH Thanks a lot for this important update Louie. Still happy with my 1 oz BU purchase but man....getting busy now on sealing them all up. Was not aware of the issues they have. I really appreciate the info and being able to do something about it rather than pulling my tubes out one day only to see somewhat of a mess. Kudos to you friend
You are very welcome. Not to worry too much. If handled correctly you should not have any big problems with the BU libs. After buying and selling lots of them, not too many turned out bad. Of course, those would be the ones I kept, cause you can't sell them, lol. The proofs, however, are really dangerous to hold IMO.
Do you think the fractional gold was up due to the worldwide situation??? Also try Goddards Dip. Its quick snd with a micro fibre cloth to gently PAT dry... you can remove the tarnish and discolouration . Happy New Year brother
I was a huge Libertads buyer but the dealers have stolen my thunder as far as flipping them goes! Still have all my 2oz and 5ozers dating back to 2013 as well as a flu tube of the 1ozers
You mentioned removing tarnish with tin foil and baking soda. Is that considered, "cleaning"? And is it detectable by PSGS? Can that same method be used to remove milk spots? Also, what type of storage do you use for older libertads? Air Tites won't fit, too thick. Just looking at mintages for one ounce silver BU for the past 3 years you show, those numbers are higher than published. Maybe they are including the set numbers in the total. Could also explain the discrepancy of the 465,000 number we got earlier; 465,000 individual releases and the remaining 48,864 to the sets.
I"m not much of a grader. Have generally regretted messing with it the couple times I tried. That's with the exception of my morgans and peace dollars that graded well. I really don't know if they detect "de-tarnishing". But my guess is no, as long as you do not do any wiping or polishing, just pat dry it should be ok. In the past I have cracked open the tube so air can be removed upon sealing the entire tube with the vacuum sealer. Many also recommend a desecent be inserted in the bag. Not sure about the mintage variances, I'm new to this website.
@@awakenotwoke4830 Under Mexican coinage on the airtite website, it says they don't make a holder for the 82-95 libertad. So, I typed in 36mm for the size, and it shows one that is specifically for the libertad. Called the "X-36". Weird.
I love the Libertad’s I have 1 tube of 2023, and one 5oz 2023. I want to get one of each size, I only need a 2oz, 1/2oz, and so on down. Is there a good site to buy from?
It’s very difficult to verify mintage numbers since the only other readily available source is Wikipedia which is an open source database. After going to the banxico site and looking at the figures, I believe, and I may be wrong, that those are production numbers, NOT mintage numbers. What I mean by this is that they represent the number of coins produced in a calendar year not a mintage year. For example, you can start minting coins that are dated 2023 in 2022 and complete production sometime in 2023 so if the cart shows that there have been 1,000 coins produced in 2023, we have no idea how many of those are dated 2023 and how many are dated 2024. Just a thought.
Thank you for sharing your expertise. I have noticed that since mintage numbers have been floating around (right or wrong) the price of some coins has been greatly reduced. And as for the bu gold, the lower mintage 1/2 coin getting scarce.
Weird. I saw a 2023 1kg Proof Like Libertad for sale on Ebay today that has a Certificate # of 335. But this chart says they only minted 204. The certificates say "Quality: Reverse Proof" on them though see them sold as both "Reverse Proof" and "Proof - LIke" from various sellers.
Try this guy on ebay. His store should have it.www.ebay.com/itm/182488825602?hash=item2a7d2e7f02%3Ag%3AsK0AAOSw32lYx4dU&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAkIk%2BryBj%2FjtjC9VVJn0IY5xpICMP5%2BCf8mdvCMdRl1NzIo1YXZYtv5andjqsrUvHFS0p87jzy1g7nrrOMAG9%2Fo23mKrEeTLkq%2F04Pc2aN6LfpwRSEesQyh6FzhS02f3fe89OQgBBs2VXWzPf%2BnhQxbdDFe9NwSaGZN79%2BQegOO4ckwJUNKVAB3q4ejCre7WJQQ%3D%3D&LH_BIN=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338533442&customid=&toolid=20012&mkevt=1
Reverse proof quality Select your time seriesSelect serie 1 oz. Gold 1 oz. Gold Structure observations of 1 oz. Gold 2021 2022 2023 500 500 1,000 Select your time seriesSelect serie 1/2 oz. Gold 1/2 oz. Gold Structure observations of 1/2 oz. Gold 2021 2022 2023 500 500 1,000
You know my passion for Libertads like no others. I have always used Coin Week Supplies for quality Air Tites. I think that came from you many moons ago. As far as silver Libs I am cozy with my entire setup of these great pieces. I can still have more though eh, LOL. Thanks a bunch for the update on these wonderful pieces. My passion for Mexican silver continues as strong as ever.
💯 Louie ! Great knowledge content on the Libertad coin's.
Always love to grab a few when they become available for purchase.
Deep stack for me.
I need a 98!
Me too
I already have 2 but need lots more
I have been a dedicated stacker since 2012 and long time follower of your channel. I've prioritized easy resale through silver bullion coins and rounds with lower premiums. My appreciation for Mexican Libertads beauty and low mintages led me to purchase all sizes heavily in 2014 and 2015 at reasonable premiums. I capitalized on their growing demand through eBay sales for several years. Once their popularity soared, dealers started to capture all markups, making significant profits difficult to achieve. I did not purchase any Libertads this year for the first time in 10 years. I still have over 1,000oz, mostly sealed in mint bags from 2018 and 2020 which are semi key dates, along with all the 7 pc proof sets going back to 2014. Unfortunately, I won't expand my Libertad holdings further unless premiums come way down. Lady Libertads will always hold a special place in my heart and allowed my to increase my silver stack! I'm now comfortable with my stack and will sit on it until the gold silver ratio comes back down to earth!
Agreed! We started around the same time and I’ve done well on the Libs over the years but as you stated I’m not going whole hog as the dealers have stolen my thunder for flipping!
Man those old premiums were the bomb. I remember when Apmex was pushing out the 2014 five ounce libs for about $100 bucks. When popularity and premiums soared in the last two years, I planned to sell them. And I did. I don't speculate the way I used to, but if I did I try to remember that high premium coins in your stack represent an opportunity cost unless realized and reinvested. I like the 1 oz bu this year. not too bad around $30...
No spots on my proofs! I'm going to continue finding great deals on libertads & hoarding their value.
Your definitely at risk if you don’t have it slabbed/graded that’s for sure
I have almost the whole FDOI 2023 PR70 DCAM set just need the 5oz to complete it BUT out of all of those I did have 1 come back spotted and that was the 1oz but I sent it back and they sent me a new one PLUS gave me a whole refund so I saved myself $120
I have a couple that are slabbed. I have a NGC MS67 1998 1oz & NGC 2020 1oz Reverse Proof PF70. I sent others to be graded, but I was informed that the other reverse proofs would not get a straight grade.
@@johnmorgan9731 why wouldn’t they?
Thanks Louie, great information!
Big like number 85! Excellent video and thank you so much for sharing
I love my Libs, so this was a helpful vid.
Thanks Lou.
Thank you for the info.
Big fan of various Mexico Mint coins
libertads are to damn expensive even more expensive than the american silver eagles
They worth it because the low mintage keeps driving up their price continuously
@@johnmorgan9731 they also rust like crazy
@takusungjung3894 So do Kookaburras, & they're considered superior quality. Well, the older ones sure do.
Well if those are correct, I guess my 1/4 and 1/2 BU gold might have been an OK buy!
Also that’s weird that the mintages are not round numbers like usually televised. I wonder if that’s the amount that has actually been minted but may not be finished?
I know in years past there had been some distrust in Banco de Mexico because they were thought to be minting older collector coins many years later. Supposedly that was why their coins weren’t popular back in the earlier 2000’s. At least that’s what Don Bailey told me long ago.
I don’t think it was ever proven or disproven.
Thanks Louie.
A great buy!any gold proof libertad is a good buy
Great info mate. Does anyone know when the 2024's will be released?
Usually end of year
Probably really close to 2025.
That's what they usually do.
The 2023's Preorders for Silver Libertads started in mid-October this year. The Gold Libs started releasing for Preorder in Mid September. Both through Chitown Coin for 2023 USA allocations.
Initial Preorder date for the Silver Reverse Proofs was October 16. I placed an order within 5 minutes of receiving the In stock notification from Chitown, as I figured the 1oz RPs would sell out quick. They sold out their preorders within a day.
I received the 1oz and 2oz RPs I preordered on Jan 10. Extra month wait over the other dealers, but I saved $120+ on the 1oz RP ($259) , and $50 on the 2oz ($229). Monument Metals currently seems to have the lowest price on the 1oz RPs at $380. Apmex $423.
Was lucky n got the #1 n #2 of the 2022 reverse proof 5OZ & 2OZ Set
So this is disappointing...WTH Thanks a lot for this important update Louie. Still happy with my 1 oz BU purchase but man....getting busy now on sealing them all up. Was not aware of the issues they have. I really appreciate the info and being able to do something about it rather than pulling my tubes out one day only to see somewhat of a mess. Kudos to you friend
You are very welcome. Not to worry too much. If handled correctly you should not have any big problems with the BU libs. After buying and selling lots of them, not too many turned out bad. Of course, those would be the ones I kept, cause you can't sell them, lol. The proofs, however, are really dangerous to hold IMO.
Good video
Do you think the fractional gold was up due to the worldwide situation??? Also try Goddards Dip. Its quick snd with a micro fibre cloth to gently PAT dry... you can remove the tarnish and discolouration . Happy New Year brother
Great to see you Jon. Good to know yer still kickin bud.
@TomokosEnterprize oh buddy I am and doing pretty well. Just been focusing still on reviews and showing my poured silver. Very very soon gold.
I was a huge Libertads buyer but the dealers have stolen my thunder as far as flipping them goes! Still have all my 2oz and 5ozers dating back to 2013 as well as a flu tube of the 1ozers
Not a terrible deal this year on the one ounce bu. I saw them as low as $28 tho I paid $31. If they sell for $40 someday, I'm out and back to basics.
What do you think about them fancy libertads that are rose gold or black platinum?
I'm a recovering collector, so no thanks.
They have 300 made, thought it was interesting but it’s from a secondary source so I had to pass.
You mentioned removing tarnish with tin foil and baking soda. Is that considered, "cleaning"? And is it detectable by PSGS? Can that same method be used to remove milk spots? Also, what type of storage do you use for older libertads? Air Tites won't fit, too thick. Just looking at mintages for one ounce silver BU for the past 3 years you show, those numbers are higher than published. Maybe they are including the set numbers in the total. Could also explain the discrepancy of the 465,000 number we got earlier; 465,000 individual releases and the remaining 48,864 to the sets.
I found cheap china capsules on ebay that fits the 83 vintage libertad. I think it was klickitat coins 40.6mm.
I"m not much of a grader. Have generally regretted messing with it the couple times I tried. That's with the exception of my morgans and peace dollars that graded well. I really don't know if they detect "de-tarnishing". But my guess is no, as long as you do not do any wiping or polishing, just pat dry it should be ok. In the past I have cracked open the tube so air can be removed upon sealing the entire tube with the vacuum sealer. Many also recommend a desecent be inserted in the bag. Not sure about the mintage variances, I'm new to this website.
@@awakenotwoke4830 Under Mexican coinage on the airtite website, it says they don't make a holder for the 82-95 libertad. So, I typed in 36mm for the size, and it shows one that is specifically for the libertad. Called the "X-36". Weird.
I love the Libertad’s I have 1 tube of 2023, and one 5oz 2023. I want to get one of each size, I only need a 2oz, 1/2oz, and so on down. Is there a good site to buy from?
Probably here: sdbullion.com/silver/mexican-silver-libertad-coins
lol I’m opposite I only need the 5 oz but I’m completing the 2023 First Day Of Issue PR70DCAM set but I have the 1/20th-2oz so far!!
Been trying to grab one but I can’t bring myself to pay over $310 for it
I got my 2oz for $180
I started in order tho figured that was my best approach and it’s worked out well for me price wise
It’s very difficult to verify mintage numbers since the only other readily available source is Wikipedia which is an open source database. After going to the banxico site and looking at the figures, I believe, and I may be wrong, that those are production numbers, NOT mintage numbers. What I mean by this is that they represent the number of coins produced in a calendar year not a mintage year. For example, you can start minting coins that are dated 2023 in 2022 and complete production sometime in 2023 so if the cart shows that there have been 1,000 coins produced in 2023, we have no idea how many of those are dated 2023 and how many are dated 2024. Just a thought.
Thank you for sharing your expertise. I have noticed that since mintage numbers have been floating around (right or wrong) the price of some coins has been greatly reduced. And as for the bu gold, the lower mintage 1/2 coin getting scarce.
🎉
Louie, can you post the url for the site you are leveraging?
Its in the description.
Weird. I saw a 2023 1kg Proof Like Libertad for sale on Ebay today that has a Certificate # of 335. But this chart says they only minted 204.
The certificates say "Quality: Reverse Proof" on them though see them sold as both "Reverse Proof" and "Proof - LIke" from various sellers.
I'm pretty sure it's 500, though I can't find it on the Banco website.
A lot of years they did 500
I have just bought the 2023 kilo silver reverse proof and it has a number of 494 on the coa when your saying the mintage is 204 how can this be ?
I'm not sure, but perhaps they have revised their numbers. I had two sources on those numbers, but they must have changed.
The mintage is 500
For the reverse proof of that year
Any ideas on a air tite for the 41.5mm onza?
Try this guy on ebay. His store should have it.www.ebay.com/itm/182488825602?hash=item2a7d2e7f02%3Ag%3AsK0AAOSw32lYx4dU&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAkIk%2BryBj%2FjtjC9VVJn0IY5xpICMP5%2BCf8mdvCMdRl1NzIo1YXZYtv5andjqsrUvHFS0p87jzy1g7nrrOMAG9%2Fo23mKrEeTLkq%2F04Pc2aN6LfpwRSEesQyh6FzhS02f3fe89OQgBBs2VXWzPf%2BnhQxbdDFe9NwSaGZN79%2BQegOO4ckwJUNKVAB3q4ejCre7WJQQ%3D%3D&LH_BIN=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338533442&customid=&toolid=20012&mkevt=1
They actually fit perfectly in a regular bapsule believe it or not..the only one that doesn’t fit is the ASE
What about Reverse Proofs?
I "think" all three sizes are 1500. up from last year.
Reverse proof quality
Select your time seriesSelect serie 1 oz. Gold
1 oz. Gold Structure observations of 1 oz. Gold
2021 2022 2023
500 500 1,000
Select your time seriesSelect serie 1/2 oz. Gold
1/2 oz. Gold Structure observations of 1/2 oz. Gold
2021 2022 2023
500 500 1,000
I believe those are reverse proof mintage limits and not actuals...
Nope, right off the Mexican mint site.
Your copy and paste shows “reverse proof” before it reads anything
“Reverse proof quality”I know this is months old but I’m looking for mintages 😂