This is what my knowledge buddy sent me Oko elking something is a layer 4 (type), layer 6 (abilities), and layer 7b (P/T setting) effect. When you make copies of something, the copy is based off of copyable characteristics defined in layer 1, which Oko does not influence.
I was at the Galaxycon event this past weekend and ended up landing my first top 16 on Blue farm. The meta really was strange though, it was 25% Sisay and only two Kinnans with myself and one other on blue farm
Kinnan is a synergistic mana deck, its vulnerable resource is card advantage. Blue Farm is a card advantage midrange deck, its vulnerable resource is mana. Beat Kinnan, target its engines. Beat Blue Farm, choke its mana.
Lesson learned… don’t listen to wounded “deals”. :) hats off to masterful politics. It’s just amazing how you can talk people into doing the opposite of what they know is bad for them. I’m a Tivit Stan and would have definitely mindbreaked that first basalt monolith
Yeah the swiss round game he should have definitely mindbreaked trapped. I'm not really proud of that one or anything that was just something that worked out but I 100% beleive i win that game either way. The deal in my top 16 game I am proud of because I created a situation where it was actively correct for both of my opponents to play along to the situation as if either of them didnt they deterministically lost to the other player. - Wounded
@@ColorsAreACrutchagreed. I've been in a few situations where I could have been killed by either player, but i was the only one with interaction and boards that stopped the other player from winning. Beautiful thing when it works out.
The Level 7 event was my first bigger cedh event and I top 16'd it on Kinnan too lol. I didn't get paired against you, but I might get the chance to if you make any of the other events this month! Thanks for the content. Definitely helped me prepare for this event.
Learn all the lines, recognize what works best in the context of that situation, dont get tunnel visioned into playing the deck in only one way. I do offer coaching if you wanted to go over the deck sometime :) - Wounded
If by easiest to pick up you mean not on the expensive side of the format than you would be correct. But in my experience over the last four years of playing against kinnan, very few people can play the deck correctly. They may understand a goldfished experience but have no idea how to pivot in their deck when faced with any opposition.
Yea layers are weird. Another funny interaction is if you have a stax piece like cursed totem that gets elked, you can throw a helm of the host on it to make copies of that cursed totem, that are not elks.
I don’t know about countering a mana rock fam. I just can’t make it sound okay no matter how much I think about it. The only rock you’d ever really counter would be basalt honestly
He did not, the player played a clone and asked before deciding if it would enter as a real tidespout. The judge answered a reasonable rules question. Judge did nothing wrong. - Wounded
“Get f*kd we are playing.” Yes thank you wounded for playing. This top 4 draw crap is annoying. Did we come here to play to win? Or come here to play and sleep??? Specially after you played a 3+ hour slug fest
That's funny in my game at the boil it was "if any of us win we draw right?" Honestly iv only played with wounded twice both tournaments and honestly worst games of magic iv played 1st game he lied to us all. Other game at the boil before the game even started made it a 3 v 1 thanks wounded 🙃
@@johnweinhandl8890 This is the guy who lost in the game where people got mad when I said It did not have an outlet in hand because I did not have an outlet in hand, I had a Green Sun's Zenith, which tutors for the outlet. Same idea as when random deck says "I dont have the dockside" and then tutors for the dockside and nobody blinks an eye. He's just salty about it. Then at the boil it was the round 7 game where all three of us were locked with a draw and he had to win, and I started the game explaining that lets just play the game normally I understand we have to play, and then rog si won on the play on a mull to 3 with a turn 2 necro that I couldnt have stopped anyway, but we agreed before the game that if any of us won we would just draw, so once again he is just being salty. I did nothing wrong on either occasion. - Wounded
Countering Kinnans mana rocks is wild lol, 100% with Wounded on this one that's terrible magic play 😂. Why trying to build a 1/10000 magical christmas land type of situation to justify where it's still super questionable to counter a rock? You play against 3 people, not Kinnan only.
"Hey man, we're all tired we wanna split."
"WEAKNESS DETECTED. WE PLAY."
This is what my knowledge buddy sent me Oko elking something is a layer 4 (type), layer 6 (abilities), and layer 7b (P/T setting) effect. When you make copies of something, the copy is based off of copyable characteristics defined in layer 1, which Oko does not influence.
How to beat blue farm
Let the kinnan player win
Good stuff as always. Keep up the good work gents 👏
I was at the Galaxycon event this past weekend and ended up landing my first top 16 on Blue farm. The meta really was strange though, it was 25% Sisay and only two Kinnans with myself and one other on blue farm
Sisay the new best deck 🤣
At the dual land event?
@@lexlikessharks yup!
@@natepetras6143 oh nice! Congrats on top 16. I think I remember you.
I was there on Kinnan but had a rough go of things.
Kinnan is a synergistic mana deck, its vulnerable resource is card advantage. Blue Farm is a card advantage midrange deck, its vulnerable resource is mana. Beat Kinnan, target its engines. Beat Blue Farm, choke its mana.
You guys have such a great podcast, awesome episode!!
Lesson learned… don’t listen to wounded “deals”. :) hats off to masterful politics. It’s just amazing how you can talk people into doing the opposite of what they know is bad for them. I’m a Tivit Stan and would have definitely mindbreaked that first basalt monolith
Yeah the swiss round game he should have definitely mindbreaked trapped. I'm not really proud of that one or anything that was just something that worked out but I 100% beleive i win that game either way. The deal in my top 16 game I am proud of because I created a situation where it was actively correct for both of my opponents to play along to the situation as if either of them didnt they deterministically lost to the other player. - Wounded
@@ColorsAreACrutchagreed. I've been in a few situations where I could have been killed by either player, but i was the only one with interaction and boards that stopped the other player from winning. Beautiful thing when it works out.
Another great episode in the books
The Level 7 event was my first bigger cedh event and I top 16'd it on Kinnan too lol. I didn't get paired against you, but I might get the chance to if you make any of the other events this month! Thanks for the content. Definitely helped me prepare for this event.
Interesting stuff. What's the instant win with Tezzerret and Trophy mage? What do you tutor for?
45:30 Ah layers, greatest part of the MTG ruleset
ETALI IS TAKING OVER!!!
Hey wounded new cedh player here, gonna try ur ob nix list any quick tips :)
Learn all the lines, recognize what works best in the context of that situation, dont get tunnel visioned into playing the deck in only one way. I do offer coaching if you wanted to go over the deck sometime :) - Wounded
One of us! One of us!
Welcome to the dark side
Kinnan is the easiest deck the pick up. Training wheels that's why there's so much of it in the wild.
#IgnorantTrollAlert
@@ColorsAreACrutch you are a fish
If by easiest to pick up you mean not on the expensive side of the format than you would be correct. But in my experience over the last four years of playing against kinnan, very few people can play the deck correctly. They may understand a goldfished experience but have no idea how to pivot in their deck when faced with any opposition.
@@mandielyn0416accurate
Wait! The tivit player couldn't cast sevinne rec with the grafdigger's cage in play
If it was there at the time then you right, there is a chance he did that after the politics on his turn. Hard to remember which one, long game
@@ColorsAreACrutch yeah! Amazing game btw!
@@ColorsAreACrutch yeah! Amazing game btw!
My favorite anti kinnan card is humility, but unfortunately I really only have one deck that it works in.
Yea layers are weird. Another funny interaction is if you have a stax piece like cursed totem that gets elked, you can throw a helm of the host on it to make copies of that cursed totem, that are not elks.
Seems like the best way to beat Kinnan is to ballgag the pilot.
Wounded needs to randomly show up playing mono green stompy 😂 or Oswald watch him smash the tournament
Spell pierce gamers stay winning is all I'm saying
If you wanna counter that Arcane Signet you go ahead and do it! ❤
Its an elk. "Becomes an elk".
What!! How in the hell does it become the OG card?!?
In short: Layers
Gaddock Teeg beats them all! ❤❤❤
I don’t know about countering a mana rock fam. I just can’t make it sound okay no matter how much I think about it. The only rock you’d ever really counter would be basalt honestly
Bottle-Cap blast
So the judge in your top 4 gave unsolicited advice to the eventual winner? That's a big no unless the player asked for clarification.
He did not, the player played a clone and asked before deciding if it would enter as a real tidespout. The judge answered a reasonable rules question. Judge did nothing wrong. - Wounded
@@ColorsAreACrutch gotcha
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hi guys
“Get f*kd we are playing.” Yes thank you wounded for playing. This top 4 draw crap is annoying. Did we come here to play to win? Or come here to play and sleep??? Specially after you played a 3+ hour slug fest
That's funny in my game at the boil it was "if any of us win we draw right?" Honestly iv only played with wounded twice both tournaments and honestly worst games of magic iv played 1st game he lied to us all. Other game at the boil before the game even started made it a 3 v 1 thanks wounded 🙃
@@741elite maybe you can be more specific?
@@johnweinhandl8890 This is the guy who lost in the game where people got mad when I said It did not have an outlet in hand because I did not have an outlet in hand, I had a Green Sun's Zenith, which tutors for the outlet. Same idea as when random deck says "I dont have the dockside" and then tutors for the dockside and nobody blinks an eye. He's just salty about it. Then at the boil it was the round 7 game where all three of us were locked with a draw and he had to win, and I started the game explaining that lets just play the game normally I understand we have to play, and then rog si won on the play on a mull to 3 with a turn 2 necro that I couldnt have stopped anyway, but we agreed before the game that if any of us won we would just draw, so once again he is just being salty. I did nothing wrong on either occasion. - Wounded
@@741elite I recommend eating some dairy queen. You need to get something sweet to help with all this salt you've got in your veins 😂 - Wounded
@@ColorsAreACrutch this is the context I was looking for-Thank you lol
Countering Kinnans mana rocks is wild lol, 100% with Wounded on this one that's terrible magic play 😂. Why trying to build a 1/10000 magical christmas land type of situation to justify where it's still super questionable to counter a rock? You play against 3 people, not Kinnan only.
Pfft -Max P
@@ColorsAreACrutch Ur take regarding rhystic studies is based tho