Love the fact that his Phantom had to be taken down by a Rocket Launcher, while the greatest soldier who ever lived was brought down by a makeshift flamethrower.
I just want a remake. I mean come on, this is arguable the biggest fight in the series. Big boss Vs Snake is up there with Liquid ve Snake. It deserves some respect.
I mean id love to but not like in full 3D remake could be like HD-2D or models in 3d with cutscenes and all like the remake of Zelda Dx on the switch (obviously not chibi though)
Headcanon: In that moment, Big Boss' only thought between the screaming was "Holy fuck this hurts. Is this how that Quiet chick felt? Man, I'm an asshole."
Reminder that while Big Boss is a GREAT Soldier, that is NOT forever, and the REAL victor is always the one who knows how to turn things around! Big Boss DID come to kill Snake himself, a man that WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO SURVIVE AS LONG AS HE DID! At least giving him the RESPECT owed before killing him, Snake pulled off that win by the SKIN OF HIS TEETH! Reminds me of ALL those action movies like Die Hard 1 where the main character is practically naked without a Fire Arm and has to think fast and quick and get lucky or BE DEAD (and why I liked Die Hard 1 FOREVER) People can have their INVINCIBLE RAMBO 2 LIKE RAMPAGER! I'll take my Survival Horror like Hero's like DH1 John Mcclane's and Metal Gear Snakes any day) And the Cobra Unit DID aim to kill him SANS The End who WAS pulling his punches! Essentially though Big Boss had to EARN his kills on them, but as someone stated, the Boss and them WERE aiming for Big Boss to WIN in the end, just not easily!
@@paulman34340 …Hold up. Didn’t he scope The End the first time he saw him from a distance, and never even engaged in combat with him at all other than a flying wheel?
This in my opinion is that final stepping stone needed to emotionally bridge the gap between the themes of 8-Bit MSX games / prequel storyline & the ending of MGS4. Personally, I think the ending is good, but the added context of the fractured father, son, clone, relationship isn’t really established until a retcon in the Prison / torture sequence in MGS1 where Snake says “he told me he was my father” which he never says in either translation of the original scene in the MSX game. Because of the lack of cinematography and acting, the arguable most pinnacle turning point in the entire series when Snake burns Big Boss to a crisp isn’t as emotional and raw as I feel it needs to be and doesn’t allow ending of 4 to hit me as emotionally as I felt it did for others even though I love the entire series and the story/character development. When Snake finally exclaims “I love life”, the beginning of his split from John’s self-ordained fate begins as he grows to become a noble and honorable man / Hero as the franchise progresses. Once he finds friendship and comrades with Otacon, Campbell, Raiden, Sunny, Meryl- he does not allow himself to be chained to Big Boss’s twisted worldview and becomes more like John from the beginning of MGS3, far more friendly, down to earth, and respectfully personable. When Big Boss & Snake reunite in MGS4, the acting and writing is so good, but having this conversation between Snake and Boss when they are on opposite sides + context of Big Boss’s sadistic and nihilistic worldview prior to his 180° in 4 presented with fully acted and scored cutscenes is my greatest dream (I hope the remake series is done well and respectfully, because to see these games in 3D will literally have all the potential to be an incredible experience). Also @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache loved your comment on how Venom (who had the role of Big Boss forced on him unknowingly), dies to a badass rocket launcher explosion, however Big Boss in all his grandstanding and hypocrisy (all to shield himself from his tortured soul and guilt) is burnt to a crisp in the most climatic, yet pitiful and horrifying way possible. As I am writing this, I sincerely believe Kojima intentionally put in a Return of the Jedi parallel for this very fact, as for when big boss is resting on the grave during the final Cutscene of MGS4, he finally says to Snake “You were right” echoing Vader’s redemption and final conversation with Luke (estranged family members finally finding love and peace). Once he is healed by the ending of MGS4, the contrast of having this interaction and death scene as a cinematic experience would, imho, finally make all the beautiful subtleties of the acting and emotion in the ending of 4 finally hit home for me. (that “Last Day in Outer Heaven” fan animation / comic is 110% canon in my eyes and shows just how far John had fallen in his quest for control compared to the much quieter and reserved soul of Venom & his reunion with Quiet in the afterword & the butterfly).
To some people who are quick to dismiss the fact that BB went down so easily after his experience fighting The Boss, Volgin, The Fury, think back to what Snake said to Naomi in MGS when talking about the fact that he was revealed about his father. “And you were able to kill him knowing that?” “Yup.” “How?” “He wanted it. Besides, some people just need killing.” Or the revised quote from Twin Snakes, “It’s what we wanted. Me and him.”
Crazy the boss told big boss almost the same thing before their battle, and going back to this game we really see howmuch big boss had warped the original boss" vision.
@@alexdeghost2729 Are you dense? Have you played these games at all? Solid Snake came here by himself and Big Boss was a monster who had nukes and child soldiers and wanted to wage endless war. Big Boss fans have no brain cells.
THAT is the million dollar question, apparently when the Patriots recovered His "remains" He was 99.9999999 % dead after being flame grilled by Solid Snake and they ended up putting Him into a medically induced coma, but HOW He actually survived this is beyond me
@@texasgent4694 I mean Big Boss is a guy who Survived getting his eye shot, Falling off a building and nearly drowning, survived a torture device, and survived a helicopter and ambulance crash. So now I am actually not surprised lol.
@@FunnySuitGuy Yeah Big Boss is definitely in a whole different league when it comes to durability, and it also explains why His Sons/Clones can survive as much as they do such as Liquid surviving the helicopter crash, the explosion of Rex, falling off of Rex, and the jeep crash before Foxdie FINALLY finished Him off, and Solid Snake had been tortured repeatedly by Ocelot, had faced off against several of the Genome Soldiers plus Foxhound and still managed to have enough strength to beat Liquid Snake in a fist-fight, save Meryl and escape Shadow Moses Island
Why did boss said the line about feeding kids to the battlefield? Did he get mad after phantom pain or he was just feeding a lie to Snake to kill make him fight harder? The kids we are seeing are just war orphans that big boss saved and they’re around there playing what’s boss talking about? What was he trying to do?
He's not talking about the kids we see in Phantom Pain, if that's what you're confused about. He's talking about children that are living in Zanzibar that look up to Big Boss. I don't think he's saying they are currently child soldiers, rather he is saying that the long term plan is to turn them into soldiers to perpetuate this cycle of war.
i don't know if you have seen the reply i wrote but if you don't here's another big boss in manipulating the world ad this point to get rid of the rogue AI system that the patriots created to convert the world into an enormous battlefield a system that feeds itself from a cycle financed by war economy and what's big boss lan was? taking rescues to zanzibar making them lay with guns until they are manipulated to become soldiers? not very big boss how did he change his way to view the war so much and so quickly? @@carterherbert1829
1. We see Big Boss indoctrinate Chico as his child soldier in Peace Walker. Did you miss all that? 2. That's not Big Boss in Phantom Pain. That's Venom and he was prepared to send the children back to war till Miller stopped him. 3. They kidnapped and displaced those children, raising them away from their families and cultures as their labourer. How can you be so clueless?
@@carterherbert1829Big Boss had child soldiers. Chico, Sniper Wolf and Gray Fox all worked for him since childhood. Stop making excuses for this monster.
It's funny, Big boss fought The Fury that was using an actual flamethrower as his weapon and defeated him. But yet, solid snake defeated him with a makeshift flamethrower made out of a lighter and spray can lol.
With the context of the other games, and knowing the conversation shown in game isn't exactly what happened, I actually believe that Big Boss's speech to Solid Snake isn't what he desires for the world to be, but explaining what the current state of the world is, just as The Boss did to Naked Snake all those years ago. And just as Naked Snake was under the lie from the Philosophers that The Boss was a traitorous villain, Solid Snake is being used by the Patriots to destroy their biggest threat. In the end of MGSV: TPP, it's stated by Ocelot that the *true* Outer Heaven created by Big Boss is to be free and independent from the Cycles of War and Revenge between countries. In MGS4, Big Boss explains that the Patriot norms went under a mutation to be dependent on the war economy and and it's endless cycle. Skullface himself states that the thirst for revenge will infest the system of Cipher/The Patriots. If you pay attention to Venom and Skullface's backstory, his design, their dialogue, the trailers for MGSV and Kojima's twitter, you'll piece together that Venom Snake is the one who nurtured and thrived in the chain of retaliation. He carries on Skullface's will and walks down his path, weather he knows it or not, which is represented by his Outer Heaven logo being Skullface. Big Boss could have sent Solid Snake to Venom Snake knowing it would expose him to The Patriots and come down to what we see now. Such a tragic tale the life of Big Boss is...
Doesn't make any sense, you meet him in MGS4 and he doesn't look anything like a burn victim. Kojima should've brought some time travel idea into the mix and turn skullface into a BB from the future that traveled back in time to change the timeline.
Dude, did you really played MGS4? He said that his body was recovered by the patriots AI and put him in a state of eternal sleep by JD Proxy AI, when Eva stole his body,its was replaced the missing parts with pieces from Eli and George (Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake), the skin of solidus was used in Big Boss, that's why Solidus in MGS4 was looking like a burned courpe
@@Resterminador I think it's funny how Liquid dies on Shadow Moses, gets his arm planted on Ocelot, his body is used to declare Solid Snake dead after the Tanker chapter, then his body is used to reconstruct Big Boss. This dude can't catch a break even after death.
No, this is the real Big Boss. Venom Snake dies at the end of MG1. This Boss is actually still alive after this fight, but goes into a coma and his body is completely destroyed, which will be "rebuilt" using Solidus' pieces
@@Nico-iv3wr but is he really big boss? When you call George Kasler on the radio, he says that Big Boss (Venom) was very badly injured and die from the first encounter. With the one you are fighting (the supposed real one) he had lost both hands, 1 foot, and his right ear. Dr. Madnar revive him used it as the first experiment of his snatcher project (robotic parts in medicine). It makes me understand that this is still bad if he has all those implants. But how do you explain that the real big boss was completely mutilated and had cybernetic implants?
@@0nlyShadowS I get you, and I agree with you, it never had an explanation. The reality is Kojima didn't have enough time at Konami to retcon this part too😂. What we can assume is that either real Big Boss had to play this part of the survivor in order for Solid Snake to not reveal to the world there was a double or, which would make more sense, he got injured while fighting for Zanzibar Land. But then again, only Kojima could have retconned it
Love the fact that his Phantom had to be taken down by a Rocket Launcher, while the greatest soldier who ever lived was brought down by a makeshift flamethrower.
Search: Snake meets Big Boss
Ever been burned alive?
@@JThom529idk man, but being shot at with rockets 30 times gotta hurt more.
@samuel97120 well, that's the only way Konami has shown how Venom died. So.....
venom also take the majority of the blast from the helicopter explosion in mgsv too and had tons of shrapnel stuck in him, hes built different
The irony of Big Boss getting Volgin experience
Volgin and the cobra unit sans the boss were probably giggling from the afterlife 😂
volgin was dangerous to the war economy and big boss was a reluctant champion of the war economy so no.
I just want a remake. I mean come on, this is arguable the biggest fight in the series. Big boss Vs Snake is up there with Liquid ve Snake. It deserves some respect.
I mean id love to but not like in full 3D remake could be like HD-2D or models in 3d with cutscenes and all like the remake of Zelda Dx on the switch (obviously not chibi though)
@@zerowolf9491
Like the Final Fantasy pixel remasters?
Sounds goody
Headcanon: In that moment, Big Boss' only thought between the screaming was "Holy fuck this hurts. Is this how that Quiet chick felt? Man, I'm an asshole."
It's absurd that this guy beat the Fury but dies when snake grills him with hairspray and a lighter.
He was a much younger man then. Plus, even prime Naked Snake is human.
The Cobra Unit let Big Boss win per Boss's request.
Well, he is a snake... Apparently snakes are delicious. To Big Boss at least.
Reminder that while Big Boss is a GREAT Soldier, that is NOT forever, and the REAL victor is always the one who knows how to turn things around! Big Boss DID come to kill Snake himself, a man that WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO SURVIVE AS LONG AS HE DID! At least giving him the RESPECT owed before killing him, Snake pulled off that win by the SKIN OF HIS TEETH! Reminds me of ALL those action movies like Die Hard 1 where the main character is practically naked without a Fire Arm and has to think fast and quick and get lucky or BE DEAD (and why I liked Die Hard 1 FOREVER) People can have their INVINCIBLE RAMBO 2 LIKE RAMPAGER! I'll take my Survival Horror like Hero's like DH1 John Mcclane's and Metal Gear Snakes any day)
And the Cobra Unit DID aim to kill him SANS The End who WAS pulling his punches! Essentially though Big Boss had to EARN his kills on them, but as someone stated, the Boss and them WERE aiming for Big Boss to WIN in the end, just not easily!
@@paulman34340 …Hold up. Didn’t he scope The End the first time he saw him from a distance, and never even engaged in combat with him at all other than a flying wheel?
This in my opinion is that final stepping stone needed to emotionally bridge the gap between the themes of 8-Bit MSX games / prequel storyline & the ending of MGS4. Personally, I think the ending is good, but the added context of the fractured father, son, clone, relationship isn’t really established until a retcon in the Prison / torture sequence in MGS1 where Snake says “he told me he was my father” which he never says in either translation of the original scene in the MSX game. Because of the lack of cinematography and acting, the arguable most pinnacle turning point in the entire series when Snake burns Big Boss to a crisp isn’t as emotional and raw as I feel it needs to be and doesn’t allow ending of 4 to hit me as emotionally as I felt it did for others even though I love the entire series and the story/character development.
When Snake finally exclaims “I love life”, the beginning of his split from John’s self-ordained fate begins as he grows to become a noble and honorable man / Hero as the franchise progresses. Once he finds friendship and comrades with Otacon, Campbell, Raiden, Sunny, Meryl- he does not allow himself to be chained to Big Boss’s twisted worldview and becomes more like John from the beginning of MGS3, far more friendly, down to earth, and respectfully personable.
When Big Boss & Snake reunite in MGS4, the acting and writing is so good, but having this conversation between Snake and Boss when they are on opposite sides + context of Big Boss’s sadistic and nihilistic worldview prior to his 180° in 4 presented with fully acted and scored cutscenes is my greatest dream (I hope the remake series is done well and respectfully, because to see these games in 3D will literally have all the potential to be an incredible experience).
Also @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache loved your comment on how Venom (who had the role of Big Boss forced on him unknowingly), dies to a badass rocket launcher explosion, however Big Boss in all his grandstanding and hypocrisy (all to shield himself from his tortured soul and guilt) is burnt to a crisp in the most climatic, yet pitiful and horrifying way possible. As I am writing this, I sincerely believe Kojima intentionally put in a Return of the Jedi parallel for this very fact, as for when big boss is resting on the grave during the final
Cutscene of MGS4, he finally says to Snake “You were right” echoing Vader’s redemption and final conversation with Luke (estranged family members finally finding love and peace). Once he is healed by the ending of MGS4, the contrast of having this interaction and death scene as a cinematic experience would, imho, finally make all the beautiful subtleties of the acting and emotion in the ending of 4 finally hit home for me.
(that “Last Day in Outer Heaven” fan animation / comic is 110% canon in my eyes and shows just how far John had fallen in his quest for control compared to the much quieter and reserved soul of Venom & his reunion with Quiet in the afterword & the butterfly).
To some people who are quick to dismiss the fact that BB went down so easily after his experience fighting The Boss, Volgin, The Fury, think back to what Snake said to Naomi in MGS when talking about the fact that he was revealed about his father.
“And you were able to kill him knowing that?”
“Yup.”
“How?”
“He wanted it. Besides, some people just need killing.”
Or the revised quote from Twin Snakes, “It’s what we wanted. Me and him.”
True as an aside I liked the original dialogue far better
@@jenpachi2408you’re only saying that because of bias.
Crazy the boss told big boss almost the same thing before their battle, and going back to this game we really see howmuch big boss had warped the original boss" vision.
omg its Jenpachi the arkham guy
@@bongo104 ayyee 👊🦇
No match for a lighter and a spay can.
I need to see this in 3D graphics. Big Boss deserved all this agony
No you don’t. Your imagination is what makes things more memorable.
@@slowcheedah I do and everyone does.
@@slowcheedahSpeak for yourself. I wanna see this in 3D, too.
No he didn't. Solid Snake was being used by the Patriots to kill Big Boss for something he didn't do.
@@alexdeghost2729 Are you dense? Have you played these games at all? Solid Snake came here by himself and Big Boss was a monster who had nukes and child soldiers and wanted to wage endless war.
Big Boss fans have no brain cells.
So this is a Christmas game, confirmed! 😅
How dose Big Boss live during the Zanzibar Land Disturbance?
THAT is the million dollar question, apparently when the Patriots recovered His "remains" He was 99.9999999 % dead after being flame grilled by Solid Snake and they ended up putting Him into a medically induced coma, but HOW He actually survived this is beyond me
@@texasgent4694 I mean Big Boss is a guy who Survived getting his eye shot, Falling off a building and nearly drowning, survived a torture device, and survived a helicopter and ambulance crash. So now I am actually not surprised lol.
@@FunnySuitGuy Yeah Big Boss is definitely in a whole different league when it comes to durability, and it also explains why His Sons/Clones can survive as much as they do such as Liquid surviving the helicopter crash, the explosion of Rex, falling off of Rex, and the jeep crash before Foxdie FINALLY finished Him off, and Solid Snake had been tortured repeatedly by Ocelot, had faced off against several of the Genome Soldiers plus Foxhound and still managed to have enough strength to beat Liquid Snake in a fist-fight, save Meryl and escape Shadow Moses Island
Nanomachines, son.
No really, that's what Kojima used to handwave his survival.
@@texasgent4694nano-machines son.
Why did boss said the line about feeding kids to the battlefield? Did he get mad after phantom pain or he was just feeding a lie to Snake to kill make him fight harder?
The kids we are seeing are just war orphans that big boss saved and they’re around there playing what’s boss talking about? What was he trying to do?
He's not talking about the kids we see in Phantom Pain, if that's what you're confused about. He's talking about children that are living in Zanzibar that look up to Big Boss. I don't think he's saying they are currently child soldiers, rather he is saying that the long term plan is to turn them into soldiers to perpetuate this cycle of war.
it's fucked up anyway
i don't know if you have seen the reply i wrote but if you don't here's another
big boss in manipulating the world ad this point to get rid of the rogue AI system that the patriots created to convert the world into an enormous battlefield a system that feeds itself from a cycle financed by war economy
and what's big boss lan was? taking rescues to zanzibar making them lay with guns until they are manipulated to become soldiers?
not very big boss how did he change his way to view the war so much and so quickly?
@@carterherbert1829
1. We see Big Boss indoctrinate Chico as his child soldier in Peace Walker. Did you miss all that?
2. That's not Big Boss in Phantom Pain. That's Venom and he was prepared to send the children back to war till Miller stopped him.
3. They kidnapped and displaced those children, raising them away from their families and cultures as their labourer. How can you be so clueless?
@@carterherbert1829Big Boss had child soldiers. Chico, Sniper Wolf and Gray Fox all worked for him since childhood. Stop making excuses for this monster.
It's funny, Big boss fought The Fury that was using an actual flamethrower as his weapon and defeated him. But yet, solid snake defeated him with a makeshift flamethrower made out of a lighter and spray can lol.
Is there any plot reasons why you cant cqc big boss aka naked snake
I mean, have you played mgs3? He's a master at it!
@@NoahHalfSquid He practically invented it with the Boss
@@ondexb exactly lol
He also has a gun trained on you at all times. Even with the 20ft rule, he's a CQC God.
Snake hated Big Boss
They did unjustice with big boss right here 😂
With the context of the other games, and knowing the conversation shown in game isn't exactly what happened, I actually believe that Big Boss's speech to Solid Snake isn't what he desires for the world to be, but explaining what the current state of the world is, just as The Boss did to Naked Snake all those years ago. And just as Naked Snake was under the lie from the Philosophers that The Boss was a traitorous villain, Solid Snake is being used by the Patriots to destroy their biggest threat.
In the end of MGSV: TPP, it's stated by Ocelot that the *true* Outer Heaven created by Big Boss is to be free and independent from the Cycles of War and Revenge between countries. In MGS4, Big Boss explains that the Patriot norms went under a mutation to be dependent on the war economy and and it's endless cycle. Skullface himself states that the thirst for revenge will infest the system of Cipher/The Patriots. If you pay attention to Venom and Skullface's backstory, his design, their dialogue, the trailers for MGSV and Kojima's twitter, you'll piece together that Venom Snake is the one who nurtured and thrived in the chain of retaliation. He carries on Skullface's will and walks down his path, weather he knows it or not, which is represented by his Outer Heaven logo being Skullface. Big Boss could have sent Solid Snake to Venom Snake knowing it would expose him to The Patriots and come down to what we see now. Such a tragic tale the life of Big Boss is...
Doesn't make any sense, you meet him in MGS4 and he doesn't look anything like a burn victim. Kojima should've brought some time travel idea into the mix and turn skullface into a BB from the future that traveled back in time to change the timeline.
Did you play the game? Various parts of his body were replaced with liquids body parts
Skin from Solidus
Dude, did you really played MGS4? He said that his body was recovered by the patriots AI and put him in a state of eternal sleep by JD Proxy AI, when Eva stole his body,its was replaced the missing parts with pieces from Eli and George (Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake), the skin of solidus was used in Big Boss, that's why Solidus in MGS4 was looking like a burned courpe
@@Resterminador I think it's funny how Liquid dies on Shadow Moses, gets his arm planted on Ocelot, his body is used to declare Solid Snake dead after the Tanker chapter, then his body is used to reconstruct Big Boss. This dude can't catch a break even after death.
@@Alan_Hommis Never be game over
I want my brother naked snake Aka big boss to win
I’m on big boss side
Best game ever 10/10 bats 😅
This isnt actually big boss right? Its venom snake and we just don't know it yet?
No, this is the real Big Boss. Venom Snake dies at the end of MG1. This Boss is actually still alive after this fight, but goes into a coma and his body is completely destroyed, which will be "rebuilt" using Solidus' pieces
@@Nico-iv3wrHe just saying that because he can’t acknowledge the fact that big boss was easily defeated in comparison to venom.
@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101venom did have a rocket launcher to be fair lol
@@Nico-iv3wr but is he really big boss? When you call George Kasler on the radio, he says that Big Boss (Venom) was very badly injured and die from the first encounter. With the one you are fighting (the supposed real one) he had lost both hands, 1 foot, and his right ear. Dr. Madnar revive him used it as the first experiment of his snatcher project (robotic parts in medicine). It makes me understand that this is still bad if he has all those implants.
But how do you explain that the real big boss was completely mutilated and had cybernetic implants?
@@0nlyShadowS I get you, and I agree with you, it never had an explanation. The reality is Kojima didn't have enough time at Konami to retcon this part too😂. What we can assume is that either real Big Boss had to play this part of the survivor in order for Solid Snake to not reveal to the world there was a double or, which would make more sense, he got injured while fighting for Zanzibar Land. But then again, only Kojima could have retconned it