Updating the Great Pyramid Internal Ramp Theory
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- The Internal Ramp Theory for the Great Pyramid of Egypt is one of the most interesting ideas ever proposed for its construction. French architect Jean-Pierre Houdin has spent more than 20 years developing and refining this idea.
In October of 2022, Houdin published an update to his theory which reflects the ScanPyramids findings from the past six years.
The ScanPyramids ‘Big Void’ is an intriguing clue that Houdin may be correct with his notion of the Grand Gallery being used as a counterweight ramp for the largest pyramid stones. The ‘Big Void’ may be another Grand Gallery-like space which could be used for the same purpose.
Institutional Egyptology remains unreceptive to Houdin’s publications, nor the extremely confident results from the ScanPyramids mission. This video takes a closer look at those conflicts, highlights some of Houdin’s new model, and proposes some areas that could use improvement.
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Khufu Revealed Documentary Link:
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Houdin’s October 2022 Big Void Update Paper:
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Zahi Hawass Full Interview on ScanPyramids:
• Zahi Hawass on the Sca...
0:00 Intro
1:06 Herodotus' Account
2:35 Types of Ramps
3:00 Jean-Pierre Houdin
4:02 ScanPyramids Findings
4:55 Houdin's Theory
6:48 Internal Ramp Evidence
8:25 HIP & ScanPyramids Launch
9:56 Zahi Hawass
12:05 ScanPyramids 'Bid Void' Published
Correction: 12:19 ScanPyramids Nature article published on Nov 2, 2017 (not 2019)
12:48 David Lightbody
14:01 The Big Void
15:14 The Great Step
17:43 Houdin's Updated Theory
19:01 Grand Gallery Staging Area
19:42 Casing Stones
20:20 Chamber Shafts
21:21 New Internal Ramp Model
23:06 The Big Void Vs. Egyptology
24:32 New Technology Complaints
25:24 Conclusion
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Herodotos reporting is accurate.. first they would build stepped structure using inset ramps and then fill in the same as well as arrange outer casing stones around this by dismantling the inset ramps stage by stage starting from top down. the geometry problem could be resolved by using ropes to measure the accuracy during each stage of the consturction ........ it makes the best sense as compared all the other complicated theories.
I bought a shirt and I love wearing it! 👌 💯
About your critique of the counter weight theory that they were not needed cause they had all the man power they would need: Ok. They had enough man power. But not the space to do the pulling.
Thank you for another great video! I've seen some spiral ramp images that showed the spiral pattern from above. Don't know if it was from the neutrino study/experiment?
Hawass has been an obstacle in Egyptology for more than 30 years. He has been the ultimate gatekeeper and done everything possible to stifle any ideas put forth other than his own.
Yeahh he needs to go somewhere far away from Egypt. And let people that can solve the mysterious pyramids...
@@loxoloveXo One day hell be dead but the secrets will remain to be discovered.
@@sirdetmist3204 I really hope that, if there are evidence that undermines some ideas of egyptology, that it have not been destroyed just because of it!
Helwass must be in his mid to late sixties by now and his personal life has not been lived the healthiest so that being said... He's an obstacle now... But he's not going to be for much longer. That's the beauty of these people. They are mere mortals and don't last forever
Hawass really does seem to be the kind of person that, if he could, he would have someone build a pyramid for him, and then take all credit for himself in building it in some hieroglyphs... he truly embodies a pharaoh without a pschent (crown) like nobody else I know of!! 👌😆
In 1958, when I was 13 years old, my brother and I (he was 17) followed a guide to the top of the Great Pyramid of Giza. There were Egyptian men at the base who for a few small coins would conduct tourists to the top, up one of the corners. The view from the top was stunning, of course. In those days, it wasn’t hazy. The chiseled inscriptions on the topmost stones were spellbinding, and appeared in various languages. Some were dated hundreds of years before. Graffiti has always been with us.
Everyone followed the same path to the top: it went up one of the corners. And you hoisted yourself up, block by block. (The internet reveals that the tallest stones are nearly five feet tall.) If you fell, you were dead. It’s remarkable that my parents permitted us to do that. As I recall, it took about a half hour to reach the top. In the summer, such an adventure would have been unbearably hot. But Egyptian winters are marvelously pleasant.
After we’d returned to the ground, another Egyptian, a teenager, told us that for a small sum he would climb to the top and return in five minutes flat. We hired him to do so. He spent four minutes climbing at great speed to the top: he was in great physical condition. And then he descended, leaping down from block to block to block, in the remaining minute. You had to see it to believe it. He got the price he’d quoted, plus a good tip.
I don’t know when tourists were finally forbidden from making the dangerous trip. But I’m glad it was after I’d left Egypt. I’m now 78 years old.
That sounds like a beautiful experience, one that not many have had or can ever have, thanks for sharing
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@@michaelnoronha2801 It was a beautiful experience, and one that is forbidden now. Thanks for your kind response.
What a fantastic story. I visited the Great Pyramid of Giza in 2016 and obviously knew I wasn’t allowed to climb it, so it’s great to read of someone’s experience who did! All the best to you!
Amazing. Thanks for vividly describing your experience. You helped me relive it as if I was there. ❤
As far as I am concerned, the Great Void refers to the interior of Zahi Hawass' skull.
Zahi Hawass was a villain. i don't know his true motives but he did a lot to hold back Egyptology.
History will remember Hawass very differently to what he thinks he deserves
You are being generous- he is an enemy of humanity and wont be remembered at all
I remember watching late 90’s and early 2000’s documentaries with Zahi, and I had no idea who he was. But it was clear he knew who HE was. He thought he owned Egypt. All of it. No, no-ALL OF IT. ZAHI OWNS EGYPT!
@@6thmichcav262 i bet he also talks about himself in the third person
Harass is a legend in his own mind!
It also never seems to never come up about him selling off Antiquities.
I am Egyptian. I am so proud of your detailed knowledge. I am so grateful to you and John Pierre Houdein. On the other hand, I am also so ashamed of Zahi Hawas.
You should not feel shame. He's greedy in so many ways, he became a joke.
And if Zahi was from a gardians of the pyramid dynasty. This will be accurate to do his best to recover the antiquities robbed from your country and stop speculations, letting Pharaohs living their death in peace! So you could also be proud he dont let clowns trying now to unmount the pyramid to see the inside, what is dangerous.
I agree do not feel shame because you share the same common country of ancestry to Hawass but I understand that Hawass is a Very Bad advertisement for Egypt
Hawass has promoted the idea that there were no slaves in egypt, shows how corrupt he is.
@@Kidraver555 Incorrect. His assertion is that there were no slaves used in the construction of the pyramids............not the same thing. Directly on site he is probably correct.......however in the quarries and places where items were outsourced there were absolutely slaves used.
It’s kind of infuriating to think about the fact that the only reason why we aren’t actively solving the mystery of the pyramids and sphinx is the ego and greed of men who at this rate will die before ever uncovering it’s secrets.
yes and all that because of that asshole minister.
Beautifully put, but still very sad. I'm sure there are other capital interests preventing us as well, depending on what the true purpose of the pyramids are
@@JosephFuckinStalin tombs obviously
For thousands of years foreigners, distant rulers in Europe and Middle East conquered and ruled Egypt. Taxing Egypt, exploiting Egypt, marveling at its structures, stealing its treasures and marveling at its history while exploiting Egypt.
They now are now an independent self ruling nation state with complete control of its marvels.
I can’t blame Egypt and the man in charge of telling the rest of the world to fuck off, you cant explore and dig up and take our “shit” away for your entertainment and in the name of knowledge.
I don’t think there’s much more to learn about the pyramids. They’re stone giant tombs with some tunnels. There are some mystical secrets in them.
They want to farm it for tourism so they think they need to keep the mystery alive. They probably assume that it's in their best interest to make sure that investigations fail
Fantastic video. You showed complete non biased work here. You provided sources and gave feedback both for and against each expert involved. Personally, I admire JPH's work and dedication. He put his heart and soul into it. He seems genuine and sincere and wants to progress science, not his personal agenda like some others. I'm sure he would like to receive credit for all his work, like we all would, but him refraining just shows us his class. People have such shallow egos that they can't admit they could be wrong. That's what science is all about. Testing, evidence, trial and error. I wish him long health and hopefully he can remain around to see some profound discoveries.
Zahi Hawas is the embodiment of Max Planck's quote: A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.
Boomers really dont like having their personal beliefs challenged. They never have.
Thanks to the internet the old knowledge will not be forgotten by the new generation.
@@3-body-problem Millennials don't seem to have any beliefs that have merit steeled by experience. But they do have immature ideas that might grow into fruition. I wish you good luck on your quest..
@@3-body-problem Middle schooler input is always welcomed here.
@@Dave-ty2qp Right! Like these guys never take historical context in their analysis, and are blinded by their own baises- Like the reason Hawas is so protective of Egypts archaeological sites is bc they have been looted by European powers for the last 300 years. Europeans even used to eat mummies back in the 1800s that's why there are so few of them left.
Zahi Hawass is the biggest obstacle to pyramid exploration. He cannot bear that his expertise might be refuted. He also likes his position and the reputation he has as a result. If he were genuinely interested in real origins, he would pursue any theory, no matter who it came from, and explore every opportunity. Instead of opposing them.
He is an expert of nothing but lies, deceit, and manipulation
Zahi proves that he not a true Archaeologist at all as he does not want to investigate possible truths.. he is a fake!
Zahi Hawass is nothing but a self serving fraudulent bureaucrat. Always has been. Probably always will be. It is a shame that the new evidence about the pyramids is cloaked by this charlatan's shadow!
I thought Zawi Halfass was booted out of the ministry of antiquities years ago, somehow weasled his way back on to the employee list, the sooner the guy retires/emigrates/passes away the better, and someone who has even the slightest of open mind and curiosity about them takes his place, the better, then some of these mysteries may well be solved/debunked. The egyptians are happy to recieve all the foreigners money through tourism etc, But when some company/person invents a machine or something that could look into these mysteries, that would cause no or very minimal damage, the barriers all come up so fast with so many pitfalls and clauses put in their way, especially with Zawi Halfass having any kind of say, that might disprove his expertise and hypothesis. Moving the goal posts even further.
He doesn’t want to take a chance on someone showing that the pyramids were built before the Egyptian’s
Why the F would anyone decide to "restore" the "step"?
Cant they just remove the material that was used to fill in the funnel?
I love this theory! Its not conclusive. I can not wait till there are more discoveries of records that explain evidence.
Such a wonderful mystery we were all left with! Thank you whoever left us with these incredible ancient relics
JUST A CONSTANT WOW
This is my THIRD OR FOURTH TIME "THROUGH" this episode. Still captures me and still learning…the same as all your works here.
Ole man in Nebraska says, THANK YOU…Bill
I like how you present Houdin's ideas with both respect and skepticism. You acknowledge how his work, even if you disagree with some parts of it, was critical in furthering what we know about the Great Pyramid.
Thank you for your videos.
Sometimes being wrong in a way that causes the right answer to be revealed is as good as guessing right in the first place.
@@mal2ksc Nice. grin
@@user-kb8lr5ed4l lol dude. Do you seriously think your long winded rant, that was essentially just one long run on sentence that didn't even make sense. Is some how a well thought out critique of a theory a man worked on for years?
Lol fucking step away from the arm chair there tough 🤡🤣
ironically, zahi hawass has officially announced the presence of the void behind the Chevron blocks entrance thanks to the great work of the scan pyramid project, which he himself was criticising his results, thank you again and again for your brilliant work
At least archeology seems to slowly be opening up to realization that specialists in climate scientists, economics, religion, architecture, and engineering, among others can offer valuable insights into more practical problems that archeologists, are not exactly expected to be experts in. There may be some holdouts unfortunately.
He seems to have quite a few portraits of himself.
OSSILATOR using moon and core...
Standard backpeddling tactics of any conman being exposed.
The world can see that he is an obstacle to knowledge and discovery.
Far too late to start pretending to care about the truth now!
Zahi hawass is corrupted as you all know he is the head of ministry of antiquity
Even so, the sheer magnitude of the pyramid, the amount of material, etc is just insane
I think these construction and engineering possibilities make them all the more fascinating. "Hundreds of thousands of slaves" brute forcing it is impressive but less so than much fewer skilled workers making use of brilliant techniques with limited material quality and relatively low technology imo.
I was very happy to see John Romer in your video. His presentations are by far some of the most eloquent and informative.
I like Romer - although he made a colossal error in his Great Pyramid book about the 'air channels' which needs to be addressed. But that book also has one of the best observations I've ever read in Egyptology, which I will share in a video about the same subject.
I am fortunate to follow Jean Pierre Houdin from around 2008 if I remember correctly, and I lived almost in real time the problems that Hawas introduced. I remember talking with Jean Pierre in facebook, asking him why he is not in this new "committee", and he explained me briefly the problems and that he was just being patient. At that time, he lost all of his fortune, and his father had just died, and from what I understood, he was being unofficially "employed" by the dassault guy, just to help him, but also to keep him silent on the side, because Hawas was not happy that some "foreigner" was steeling his thunder and the situation was very delicate at that time. It was after Hawas brought down from his "throne" and a new minister was appointed that didn't like Hawas that the whole project started, but the new minister also wanted to keep a balance and didn't bring Jean Pierre....
This is a great but tragic story, but I know that he will be written in history as the guy who started this new wave of explorations that brought all these new discoveries.
You have an intelligent Opinion
@@frontenac5083 It hapens for me to wuork on the restorant that yu had eatn on yesteday. I hoppe you've enjoid the sekret ingreedient on the whitte sause.
Houdin got it right on the spiral internal ramp but badly mangled the rest of it... UNLESS, he intentionally mangled it in an attempt to get through the eternal CRIMINAL, Hawass. This means, he sold his soul... And neither position is where I'd want to be.
Zahi Hawas, thinks he is the Egyptian version of Indians Jones!! That portrait of him with the “Indi Hat” is just precious.😂
Always the highest quality content on this subject. No one else on this planet matches your work.
I remember watching Houdin's documentary.
Quite enjoyable.
Possibly one of the best available theories to explain construction. Great work as always!
keep up the good work 😀
Agree. The grand gallery being used as room for counterweights makes a lot of sense to me.
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they'll never stop puzzling us with how they did it
There was never a ramp. The bricks were formed in place. There is more proof of the bricks being formed than there being a ramp people just choose to believe what they have heard first. If you do some true research you will see this video has no good info at all.
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GEOPOLYMERES i.e. liquid mass which solidified into sometime we later believe to be compact rock/stones, maybe combined with actual rock/stones where needed and/or wanted
the pyramids were most probably NOT assembled like LEGO cubes, but rather poured and molded, the process just like e.g. a drive way in front of your house
It's nice to see John Pierre Houdein's theory is still alive, I would love to see it actually tested.
it failed miserabley .. there are interior stones 30 ft long weighing 900 tons .. Those farmers did not build these pyramids.. Not one mummy found inside . not one hyroglif inside... this is ancient.. long before them ..
You and me both , I think his theory makes the most sense
@@itzjcee557 I feel the same. I've never read any other theory that makes as much sense.
Its crazy to think they made a ramp who is larger than the pyramid it self, noway they did like this
@@nilslundstrom8671 Why would it be crazy to think they could do that? For Heaven's sake, they built the pyramid! The stone used to make such a ramp could then then be dismantled and used elsewhere.
While I am amazed and in the same time love Houdin's theory of the building with the idea of the counter weight system - the thing that always bothered me is why many argue about how many, 600 or more ppl was required to move the biggest blocks. One thing is animal power was available (e.g a dozen elephants? Or maybe a few dozen ox?), other thing is that human resources were available. For any pharaoh who had the spare resources to build an artificial mountain I don't see how to put together a team of 600 workers to pull up a few dozen massive stones (that may have been completed in a few weeks or so) was a problem.
When I first heard of the proposed "internal spiral ramp", I immediately realized that such an idea is crucially important. All of the external ramp designs were ludicrous not only in the building, _but also the _*_dismantling_*_ of them_ after the fact! Internal ramps need not be dismantled after the capstone is installed, they can just be blocked off every few meters.
Btw, a lower level counterweight shaft would allow lifting of blocks to the very top, assuming a structure is built to allow clearance of the block over the surface. This shaft could easily be created and extended as the top surface continued up; without it, the top surface would steadily decrease in size, to the point where there wouldn't have been enough room for not only large numbers of workers, but also the distance needed to pull the stones up.
Crazy that assassin's creed developers took Houdin's theory more seriously. I'm glad at least scanpyramids did get published. Hoping in the future our progress in understanding the pyramids won't be hindered such. Thank you very much for your quality work on this video, you deserve many more subscribers. Hope you keep this up and you get there 🙏
@@user-kb8lr5ed4l It all really ties onto the assumption that they're assuming we (homosapeins) built it when it was probably Homomagna around the Mediterranean.
i just found this channel and i cant believe how many villains there are in Egyptology!
Like in every institution, there are corrupt forces at play.
Same here, I wasn’t even much into Egyptology but this channel really opened my eyes how amazing it is. I can’t believe it’s the same narcissistic “trust the experts” “don’t do your own research” villains who wish to control literally everything and this guy on UA-cam has to expose them.
@@WaaDoku ...and all crippling ego.
They're not villains, they're Set's acolytes!
I've been binging these, this is excellent! Thank you so much for your hard work.
What tremendous content. I truly appreciate the work to show all sides of the issues. Fantastic!
Thanks for this awesome video, Mr. Granite. I love Houdin’s theory. It really fired one’s imagination.
As for Hawass, unfortunately people like him, in positions of authority, will always be a stumbling block to true science and research. With people like him in place we’ll never see another Flinders Petrie come along and uncover the last mysteries of the pyramids.
You're absolutely right and "Mr. Haw Ass" would sell his grandma before accepting
the truth about the pyramids being built long time before Egypt's have been around!
36yrs ago doing my bricklayers apprenticeship we were asked to explain or suggest how the pyramids were built. I came up with almost exactly the same theory, I was ridiculed and laughed at.
I used too blush a lot, VERY Humiliating. Much thanks.
Always ask a Builder.!x
Many years ago I also had the thought that the pyramids could have been built using a spiraling ramp built on the structure itself, although I imagined it as being on the outer surface. I see that the idea of an internal ramp does away with some of the problems of the external spiral that I had imagined. It's kind of surprising to me that the general idea of a spiral ramp didn't come to the foreground long, long ago. It seems like a rather obvious solution.
As a union mason i would have said, "go ask a hod carrier, keeping me stocked is their problem." :D
Iv'e always thought an internal ramp would be the best solution as well, with the ramp being right being the casing stones.
The Pyramids suggests to me that whoever built them really knew around the architectural structure of it, various "blueprints" and mini-models with accurate calculations was probably very much present before they started building. The shape of the Pyramids suggests a bottom to the top building process with layer on top of layer. Lifting stones for the most part doesn't seem necessary, but more likely "dragged/pulled" and then carefully dropped into place. How they adjusted the precision with other stones I have no idea, but surely some imperfections must be found as well.
If internal ramps were used it has to been a core part of the structure, meaning that the ramps was a part of the building process from the beginning, and then they somehow pulled and dragged stone-blocks into place to build floor after floor. If they actually did create internal ramps they must have been operational all the way to the top, or close to it. If this would be the case then these ramps should still be there inside the Pyramid today as a part of the structure, or at least one may think, unless the "Egyptians" had some kind of plan on how to fill the ramps with stones as well on the way down after the Pyramid was finally built.
@@karlkarlsson9126 The theory is that the ramps are still there, but they were filled with stones. They would have to slide a block all the way to the top, and then put another just below it, until they hit the bottom of the ramp. Using log rollers under the stones to move them up the ramps, would be the way to go. I have moved wood stoves and inserts, weighting up to 1000lbs with broom sticks as rollers.
Why are you lying dude. 4,500 years we haven't a clue but some kid gets it in five mins. FFS.
Thousands of years later we're still scratching our heads. That's just mind blowing to think about.
i am really happy that i saw this video , the host of this video or the creator of this video actually have a better idea then most of the scientists itself and that makes me feel really good about the information provided , thank you soo much for this beautiful information provided by you and thank you for making this video ♥
Since I knew of Houdin's work, I taught it was the most interesting discovery about the great pyramid since a long time. Further Moree, I like Jean Pierre Houdin as a person. The man is full of class, never rude. Things that neither Hawas or the female archeologist "discoverer" of pyramids can stated of themselves. Very well done summary and video. Thks.
She was very annoying, likely a feminist and likely wrong. Dunno man, as with their construction, should women be involved in the pyramids today? lol
*thought
I remember watching the video about Houdin's theory a long time ago. I'm glad I stumbled upon an update. It's a shame Houdin's work is still met with so much skepticism even though it has a lot of merit and is very intriguing.
No, they KNOW Houdin is onto something. That's why they are so dismissive of him. It's there way of saying, "Pay attention to me, instead!".
Skepticism is all well and good, but when someone makes testable predictions that are well within the ability to check (although it takes permission), then philosophy is the wrong tool. Get out there and make the measurements. Oh wait, they did, and that just pissed off the authorities even more.
And the video examination confirms a lot. Now they have to accept the scans. And hopefully soon, open the corridor they found and explore further
Well done! I really enjoy your detailed approach and great background work. I like your very honest appraisals and "Calling it like you see it" style. Outstanding content in all your work. Keep it up!
Hawas fancies himself the Walt Disney of Egyptology. He wants to be a larger than life character, charming, immortal, omniscient. He wants to be a modern pharaoh, basically.
He also doesn't care who he has to trample or how many lies he has to tell to achieve it.
Hawass is the worst. Cant believe he was never charge .
Reminds me of Neil Degrasse Tyson, slimy, dim witted, self serving 'scientists.'
Well, he did everything in his power to come as close as he could to completely controlling ANY and EVERY research effort approached or done in/on ancient Egypt for a very long, very long time. We can be sure that 99% of what we all know of, when it comes to ancient egypt from the past 40 years or so, has been directly controlled and or limited by the controlling grip of Zawi Hawass indeed. Shameful legacy that Egypt is going to have to bear for many, many years to come.
A brillant summary, helping so many people to understand the wole discussion about Jean Pierre Houdin. The Egyptologists can`t bypass this man without discussion. Thank you for this channel, Sir !
Love the videos man. Very well done, well spoken, and well researched. You, my good sir, have a new subscriber.
It's so clear that they had become so good at building these things that they built not one huge one, but a slightly smaller one and a small one as well (in mimic of Orion's Belt, IIRC), that I can't believe we still don't know how they managed to do it. That the Egyptians didn't write about it in any way that was preserved, when they wrote about so many other things, is incredible (although we have records from the quarries and the workers who transported blocks). Such a fascinating topic.
A long time ago I was privileged to see a presentation by some university students who invented muon scanning. They actually scanned the Khafre pyramid, and found voids within it.
Hi! Are you saying that also in the pyramid of Khafre they find some kind of void? 😯😯😯
@@saturno_boom3490 No there were no voids found
Thank you for supporting Houdin's work and keeping it in the public eye.
My theory is that the ramp system (whatever ramp system you imagine) was built on the raw inner bulk of the pyramid. Then the final facing was staged on various levels of the pyramid, and the ramps were removed and replaced by the facing from the bottom up. This way any ramp system does not need any additional bulk to support it; it is supported by the Maine bulk of the pyramid.
one benefit to labor-saving technology for building the Great Pyramid is that it makes the massive reservoir of labor that was available more effective in producing ever-grander achievements. As you pointed out, 600-man teams pulling up massive stones starts to run into logistical concerns irrespective of how many thousands of people might be on site
Plus, there are megalithic slabs above the Kings chamber that a ramp would not be able to be used.
Good grief what masterful presentation. Only the third video of yours that I've watched and once again concise, accurate and desperately needed. Your channel is an absolute gem. Thank you.
اريد ان اخبرك انه لا يوجد خشب يستطيع حمل هذه الأوزان ولا يوجد حبل تستطيع حمل هذه الأوزان من نظري
انا اعمل في شركه لي مقاولات انا مشكلتي دائما في رفع البلاطات الخرسانيه الكبيره وزنها ٣٠ طن كتله واحده ولدي رافعات ولكن احيانا نفشل ونحن في العصر الحديث
Why am I not surprised that Hawass has inserted himself into a scientific process that has nothing to do with him, and erased all trace of the person who initiated the entire thing. That's how I understood it anyway...
He has been doing that for decades, there was one guy that found a subterranean system that had been ignored since Pietrie's days that can possibly connect with the Giza complex , and when he announced it , hawass had it dismissed and locked under heavy security even tho it was a "worthlless" discovery then a couple of years later he takes credit for rediscovering it and is conducting work in that area.
@@starkistuna so true and shows his consistency at least.
Hawass is a grandiose narcissist who seems to have total control over all of Egyptian archeology...
I almost switched off when I saw him onscreen, I cannot bear to watch him talking about himself and how he discovered everything singlehandedly (as he has done in every other of his appearances that I've seen).
I watch history shows to learn about history and every time Hawass comes on all he ever does is talk about himself and I learn nothing...
@@Vandal_Savage Lol same he demanded to be in every single documentary shot in his time as reigning the supreme council. I hate everytime he says "perameds"
Also...
But rest assured his time will come, and the "perameds" (as the sucker says it) will remain there for centuries to come.
He is just another rock on science path to understanding a lot more this ancient culture.
Phenomenal. I appreciate the frank discussion and courage required to put this together.
Thank you for your fair & balanced take on the Internal Ramp Theory.
I didn't realize the motivation for scan pyramids was driven by Jean-Pierre Houdin and his theories, interesting, so yes without him it probably never would have happened.
Thanks a lot of the critical analysis of Houdin's theory. I always like his internal ramp approach and it is great to have a serious review of its probability, as you did. I just hope, like everyone, that we will know in our lifetime
I just wanted to drop a comment that I really appreciate your critical yet open-minded attitude toward this subject. So many people view it either simplistically or go straight to "ancient aliens," of which neither really advance the scholastic investigation of determining the how of building the pyramids. I studied history, not engineering, but I appreciate having an open mind, but not so open as to suggest human couldn't possibly have built them.
Loved hearing about this story before. It just seemed so logical even if flawed in his proposed design. The higher inner ramp idea is great big brain work. Props to you if that was yours.
It seems greatly probable that the lower third was done with a large external ramp. It also seems highly probable that the grand gallery had a lifting function and that an internal spiral ramp was used to complete the upper portion.
I look forward to more discoveries.
It's not like this was the first pyramid built, I'm sure the had developed multiple ways of delivering materials where they needed to be. Some of those would have worked great for smaller pyramids and then not scaled well or only covered the base of a larger pyramid, like a fixed ramp.
I know the "spiral outside" method has a problem of hitting corners and having to turn large blocks, but what if the scaffolding earth was laid down in a circle rather than sticking closely to the perimeter of the current level? Then the blocks would still have to be turned, but they'd be turned _continuously,_ without any sudden changes of direction. The disadvantage is, of course, that you're not taking the shortest path, but that may have been an acceptable price to pay. A round mound will also be less prone to collapse, since it is already closer to a relaxed, slumped state.
@@mal2ksc I guess they could’ve also rotated them the correct direction on the ground, and then pulled them from different sides in one direction, switching at each corner
if you know about this theory, especially the gallery and its purpose, you can apply it to other buildings.
there is the stepped pyramid with its "chimney". inside the "chimney" there are marks of slabs or something and nobody knows what they were for.
but if there were counterweights used to lift stones up high... it makes perfect sense to have a vertical shaft, and to stop the weights with slabs from falling all the way up or down that shaft.
smart
Fill the chimney with water and you can just attach floatation to the blocks and lift them effortlessly using buoyancy ☝️
@@kxkxkxkx no way they had the technology to make it all watertight.
@@untitled6391 yeah no way they could get hold of any bitumen 🤭 genius
@@untitled6391 obviously you're too dumb to understand my subtle rejoinder, so just read this if you can: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bituminous_waterproofing
It took me a few weeks to get up to speed with the subject. But I think I can form an minimally informed opinion about the subject. I will only address what seems interesting to me because I assume it's going to be a long post.
I will start with the most obvious thing for me. The drawing at #1:30 where we get an artist impression of what Herodotus was describing to us, about the description that he got. So it's 3rd hand knowledge, AT LEAST, but I trust it the most. And here is why.
Forget about the pyramids. Let's just start over with something simpler. The Unfinished Obelisk. Now, in truth, that one came 1000 years later. And I'll keep numbers round to make some sense of them. Now, the way The Unfinished Obelisk is carved, allow us to see that they expected at some point to be able to raise it. That thing is around 40 meters long, and 1000 tones heavy, and was carved in a quarry of granite like in a bathtub. Now, again, it came 1000 years later vs The Great Pyramid, but we might expect similar technologies to be used. Now, if you assume a person can lift like 50 kilos, than in order to lift a block of 1000 tones, you would need about 20000 people. Just to lift it from the position (tub) where it was carved. You can't fit 20000 people in the space of 40 meters, so brute force is out of the question. So you would need a counterweight system, as described and drawn above. We wont find any cranes as described/drawn because they were repurposed, and removed once the job was done, but I find it terribly improbable that they didn't have this technology. And if they did in one place, they did in all places. Meaning that if they knew how to use counterweights at the quarry, they must have had T shape cranes at the docks/ports too and at the pyramids themselves as well. And that solves a tone of problems.
Second problem in my estimation is that people tend to think about the pyramids leading with The Great Pyramid. They really shouldn't. The Great Pyramid is the oddity, not the rule. Lets make some simple generalizations about pyramids and you'll see what I mean. Excluding The Great Pyramid, how many pyramids use rooms above the level floor? None. How many use granite so much? Well some use it, but in modest amounts, for the burial chamber. Either for floor or ceiling or Sarcophagus. And the plugs that block corridors. But NEVER high-up in the pyramid. Sometimes below ground level. So you see, The Great Pyramid is the oddity, not the rule. I think it's important to remember the "who". At least what we know. So we're talking about rulers of the 4th dynasty. Just to put in some context, the little that we know. So the first ruler was Sneferu, and he is attributed with the Red Pyramid. One single room, middle of the pyramid, with a single corridor going down to it. The room at floor level btw. His son Khufu follows him. I only mention Sneferu to point out 2 things. The time we think it may have elapsed since The Red Pyramid till The Great Pyramid at Giza. New site. New technology. Raised rooms. Multiple rooms, Grand Gallery. The Great Pyramid doesn't resemble anything that came before, and nothing that came after. It's important to remember that. Next after Khufu, follows Djedefre, that has both a short reign and a modest pyramid. I mean, in our time, seems like just rubble, but it said that in his time it was the most beautiful. Many things to say, and prolly most revealing. Wikipedia reads: "Djedefre's pyramid was architecturally different from those of his immediate predecessors in that the chambers were beneath the pyramid instead of inside". Well technically, Djoser Step Pyramid that came, uhm, 5(?) pharaos before it also had an underground burial complex. Let's move on. So Djedefre has a small but (said) beautiful Pyramid) and a short reign. Then Khafre follows, that is not the son of Djedefre, but his brother. And he builds the second large pyramid and Giza. Almost as big as that of his father, way bigger than that of his brother that preceded him, but still, not as complex as that of his father. Important to remember, the burial chamber, floor level. Modest use of granite. Then his son Menkaure follows, which builds the smallest pyramid at Giza. I think this succession of events is important to illustrate one thing. Khufu was an overachiever (lets put it like that). His pyramid is nothing like his father, or that of his first first (direct) successor. Or that of his second successor. Or that of his grandson. So going back to my initial point, it is (I think) important to remember the time span. It was mostly from father to son. And ONE dude has like the biggest grave of all time. Not just in his own time, but ALL TIME. Khufu's "grave", is one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world. So I think it's important to remember that, that we are talking about MASSIVE ego, completely unchecked. I wont go on, but there is more to it.
And third. People keep asking the wrong questions, and they do have they answer right in front of them. So by this point, I think I have convinced you that they knew about counterweights and at least T shaped cranes. As shown in the drawing. So from my point of view, the question becomes, what kind of rope and timber can haul 1000 tones of stone? That is what I want to find out. Again, the Unfinished Obelisk would have weight more than that, but if they had the ropes and the timber required to raise it, then certainly not much else has to be explained. Although I would say this. People always ask about the ramp. "And would have been made of this and that?" "Should it be 10 degrees or is that too steep?". I find those questions to be ridiculous because again, people look in the wrong place for the wrong question. Not every block is 70 tones. In fact, limestone is lighter and easier to carry, than granite. So you only need to account for the big pieces of granite in the Great Pyramid. But again, The Great Pyramid is the only pyramid with a Grand Gallery. The only pyramid with chambers above the floor level. The only pyramid with large granite stones above ground level. But if you put all the data together, I think the Grand gallery IS _THE_ ramp. Well, one of them. There is probably another one just like it on the other side. Two platforms, with counterweights, suspended with ropes at the top. The holes in the margins of the grand gallery I think were places where to place the breaks while you slowly raise the granite blocks. The way it would have worked, and why THIS pyramid needed this complicated elevator system is because of the granite blocks used in the kings chamber that was like half way in the elevation of the pyramid. Pretty hard to raise that much weight. But anyway, I think that's why we have the ascending tunnel and the grand gallery at the same angle on inclination of 26 degrees I think it was. No need to ask about an outside ramp, because they would raise normal limestone exactly like the drawing shown at 1:30. But for granite... that's why they built the grand gallery. It was a pulley/elevator system. One platform goes up, one platform comes down. Imagine another ramp on the southern side. exactly like the grand gallery + ascending tunnel. Same degree. And like a pulley on top. A great big tree trunk, that was freely rolling, lets say. So it is conceivable that if they knew about the counterweight principle, they could make the system work. One elevator cabin at the top floor, the other one at the bottom and viceversa. Now, you would want a way to make sure you don't have accidents, and again, I think those holes in the grand gallery is where they installed breaks so that a platform can't move up or down.
And that's that. Explained. And in this context, I find it ok to ask what sort of rope they used. What sort of timber they used. Methods, I don't find any of them to be alien made. Reasons, again, don't find any of them to be alien made. But rope and timber has to investigated. I talked extensively with chatgpt about this subject. Sometimes he's wrong. You correct him and he goes back on track. But in my research I only asked myself the 2 questions, what sort of rope they used, because no matter what you think, rope had to be used. And it had to resist those weights. And fine... hemp and flex rope. But that's not the whole story. If you only consider the stones at the pyramid, fine, it's only 70 tone block, easy. But 1000? That is steel cable area. Not rope area. The way they did they rope must have been... something amazing. Hemp and flak, but none the less amazing. And second the timber. Now, it's easy to say a T shaped crane. It's easy to imagine. But if there are some studies here and there about rope, there are even less about the study of timber. We often hear that cedar wood was most prized, but we don't know why. I for one want more research on it. Like what sort of tree trunk you would need as a roller at the Great Pyramid in order to be able to sustain that weight. What sort of timber can be used and in what configuration to make a simple T shaped crane. Now that I have actually looked into this, the questions I have left are only related to those 2, rope and timber. Everything else is ... weird, but not out of the realm of explaining.
I concur with the view on Sarah Parcak. She was a real darling of National Geographic about 10 years ago. I remember seeing one of her documentaries on something she had "discovered" from a satellite, and I was waiting for the bit where they check it out with a dig - but no such thing and the credits rolled.
No problem with her identifying possible targets - but summarily declaring "discovery" before any site inspection is ridiculous.
Never heard of the great step before. Love your antique photo of how it looked. So great. Subscribed :)
I like Houdin's theory, it is the best so far I think, but what really annoyed me is when Bob didn't prepare properly to inspect that void. He should have taken an inspection camera or something. I also agree with you about the casing stones. It serves no purpose to finish them before transportation.
"but what really annoyed me is when Bob didn't prepare properly to inspect that void"
To be fair it really isn't his area of expertise and he did the best he could given that fact.
The problems extend far beyond that to the gatekeeping effort preventing a return to investigate with more equipment.
"It serves no purpose to finish them before transportation"
Of course it does - transportation weight.
That being said I don't believe they transported it all the way from Tura that way, possibly from the base to the top of the ramp.
Considering the difficulty and sensitivity obtaining permission, it might have been prohibited. If Bob suddenly whipped out a fancy piece of equipment the Egyptian handlers could have stopped the filming.
Bob was not supposed to inspect the cavity behind the notch...He stumble on it when he went up there...Big surprise for him...
As for me, the Secretary General of Antiquities prohibed me to climb with Bob...Too afraid that I could discover something...
By the way, this cavity was known since the 16th Century and I've many ancient text from the following Centuries which are about it.
It disappeared from the "news" in late 19th Century...and was brought back to life by Bob and I in 2008.
@@JeanPierreHoudin i respect you
@@JeanPierreHoudin Isnt the issue more that u couldnt/wouldnt pay Hawas ? (In my experience money turns an Middle-east no quick in a YESS!-Sorry if I insulted one.)
From all I've seen Jean-Piere has the most compelling information I've seen.While it may not all be correct, it certainly should NOT be dismissed by any means. Great video.
Any plans on doing a video on the 2nd largest Pyramid? Not many know that a lot of it's base is actually bedrock and a lot of the stones along the base are more megalithic than most of the stones that make up the Great Pyramid. The builders would have also had to have cut out and flatten out the bedrock for where it's base is located. The base they created is also fascinating since it is made up of megalithic blocks that were laid down and locked into place to create a surface for the base of the Pyramid.
Megalithic is a really dumb word, it just means big stonework.
Please stop using it - it's stone, not magic and its use confuses the subject matter needlessly.
@@mnomadvfx Megaliths, derived from the Latin mega (large) and lith (stone).
Only one bringing up magic is you.
I really don't get your disproval... the term is accurately used in this instance.
Only children believe in magic, so why even bring it into a discussion 😆??
@@pii-chan8804 any civilization with sufficiently advanced technology, would be indistinguishable from magic. Please try harder next time!
@@pii-chan8804 Where in the text did you read about magic? Building foundations are one of the most critical elements of any project, even though they aren't visible when the home or structure is complete. On this Article, I refer you to a book by Mark Lehner.
However, you should know what you are writing.
Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt
(Harvard Museum of the Ancient Near East)
Public Lecture by Rita Lucarelli
War of the Magicians: Si-Osiris and the Nubian Sorcerer
Papyrus Westcar (The King and the Magician)
The Concept of Heka.
I AM HEKA !
To Become A Magician
-- Wim van den Dungen
The greatest obstacle to furthering our knowledge of the pyramids is Zahi Hawass. He isn't protecting Egypt's heritage. He's protecting his personal ivory tower he sit on top of.
Beautifully explained, easy to understand and follow. Thank you for your time and efforts to create this video. Kudos
Why build a great step without a ladder? It was definitely a channel for pulleys, the void is obviously another such chamber. The internal spiral method has promise, but more likely it was in mirror image on both left and right sides for only the top half. This allows for 3 work crews, one left, one right, and one middle.
This increase productivity by preventing blockages and traffic congestion. It also utilises the available personnel. The middle ramps became the galleries. And the side a way of count weights back and forth to leverage blocks into position.
Furthermore internal ramps creates less waste and makes it safer for the workers, even cooling workers as the pass through shadows provided by such ramps and shafts. All of which can be back filled to prevent us seeing them, the outer limestone case added by a fourth crew for Further counter weights.
I bet it was done so simply that if we were told we would say “ I should have known”.
I think the spiral ramp theory fits that description :)
@@cerebralm I don't
Exactly
Genius is usually seeing the absolute obvious
Probably something like this, far easier, less waste, no internal magic needed.
ua-cam.com/video/j4cdDT1ZvAA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=JohnTupper
@@Tony-dp1rl This would have left far more extensive and visible evidence then the internal spiral ramp theory, would it not? Seeing as there would be a large region of separate, non-interlocking blocks spiraling up the outside of the pyramid? Wouldn't we have noticed that by now?
This is quality work, well thought out. I have never been a big fan of Houdins ramp theory, and still think in whole it is unlikely, but I was unaware of the full extent of his exclusion. It saddens me that Houdin was never given enough access to develop his theory while undoubtedly showing that he was graced with all the humility that never made it into Hawass at his making. I could be wrong, but I believe you made this as a homage not to Houdins theory but the man himself, and your objective approach combined with knowledge of the field of Egyptology has resulted in something I would have said belongs on the History channel. In truth, your work far exceeds anything they have produced n at least the last 2 decades.
Those blocks didn't get up there on their own and until mainstream archeology/Institutional Egyptology can tell us how it was done (that actually isn't silly) Houdin's theory is the best in my opinion we have got.
Can't be on the History Channel without aliens, though. Also, great vid.
@@Tailss1 I agree, it is far better than many mainstream ideas, and it is why it saddens me he was able to develop the theory further because he could have overcome some of the problems with the theory. But the theory didnt even attempt to solve all of the unknowns. I would personally like to see more work on the geopolymer idea, I believe it is a fairly low tech solution that removes much of the logistical and precision issues that most other theories dont even try to explain.
@@otherkorean There was a point about 15-20 years ago when I could say that I had seen the entirety of the History channels catalogue. The majority of it multiple times. When H, Disc, and Sci went to hell, I quit watching TV altogether, cant say I miss it.
Politics and egos rule.
I think ramses simply gave a holler at one of my handyman ancestors and sat back, rolled up a big papyrus joint and marveled at his work.
Bahahaha, external ramp. Structural designer here and I assure you building an external ramp will be equally to or as complicated design wise as the pyramid itself. You’ll need foundations/deign, retaining walls due to phasing, flat ramp slopes which means massive amount of fill dirt, etc. On top of all that, the excavation, after the foundation blocks are laid, you’ll have to remove that excavation while adding the cap stone and exterior coping.
Enjoyed the video. Just shows that no matter how many resources we throw at this, we still don't know much more about how these things were built than we did 40 years ago when I first got interested in the topic.
Maybe that has something to do with scientists keeping a closed mind to the obvious? The Egyptians didn't build the damn things! They were there long before the first Egyptian laid eyes on them.
Main reason for slow progress is politics. This theory could easily be proven/disproven if it was allowed to continue scanning and gathering more date to improve resolution. However current political will is against it and any1 who wants to do it has a long fight ahead.
@@arturama8581 was about to agree with you until you lost your goddamn mind
@@ozhinz And what moment was that exactly?
@@arturama8581 “the egyptians didn’t build the damn things”
wonderful presentation of houdin's brilliant work and your own observations. i'm convinced the great void is another lifting gallery. and i was genuinely shocked about the great step restoration, it is difficult to overestimate the damage done by hawass to egyptology.
The more I read/hear about Hawass the more confused I get.
How does someone who is no longer in the head position at the Antiquities & Tourism Ministry still hold so much power over the various excavations and investigations in Egypt?
It sounds like he is still in top position in all but name for whatever reason.
I believe a significant portion of the current Ministry owe their careers to him.
@@mnomadvfx Zahi Hawass was removed as head Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs, however he has surrounded him self with people who only share his views, anyone with any view not aligned with his, will get no access, no permits and excluded from any form of research, he has still got his face front and centre, and appears on almost TV semidocumentary about the pyramids, he has lost support and then gained it again, I believe he still heads the ScanPyramids science committee, I feel he is the reason we are still just scratching the surface, he is determined to stop any investigation which might show history is not as he says.
There was talk of using a small probe to investigate the "void" nothing is seen of that and I guess it too is shut down, funny how many people over time have reported hammering and drilling, heavy-duty power cables being run into the pyramid, should anything be ever found I don't think we will see another Tutankhamun, it will be all hidden until they are sure its "safe" to release and confirms their current views.
@@Taz6688 🎯
YES! Building the internal ramp higher up saves a huge amount of work and means that the weight on the chamber would be reduced considerably.
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The great pyramid is perplexing. I find your calm logic a relief against all the fantasy projected onto the object. It seems to me that it was logically constructed and that is the puzzle to solve.
Another great presentation and constructive analysis. It was great that you gave tribute to Houdin as with all theories whether we think they are correct or not they give us another avenue to the truth. Look forward to the next video and thank you.
I have read a lot about Houdin's theory, and I can say that you summarized well and made good additions. I also thought it would be more convenient for the internal ramp to start where the external ramp ends. I have been waiting for the update on this theory, thanks a lot =)
This is very possible. But jean h went to Egypt years ago and went to another already destroyed pyramid and he along with his sponsor found an internal ramp in the destroyed pyramid. Its on UA-cam. I wondered if the internal ramp started higher up but adding an internal ramp would so so easy to build as the pyramid went up I think it begun at the bottom. Then the external ramp could have been dismantled and carried up the internal ramp to the top. The internal ramp would have been very easy to space out and construct as the layers went up and would actually save stone and possibly time as the void would have gained construction time. I guess both make sence but just an external ramp to the top of the grand gallery would have made it harder to then dismantle the ramp and carry them stones up to the grand gallery. Unless the pulley was still being used right up to the end. Possible. Either way fascinating ideas to ponder.
Houdin's theory is the best theory to date. He shows wear and tear from top to bottom in the Grand Gallery where the GG was a Counterweight work area to lift the Kings Chamber stones. I do believe the internal ramp was started at nearly halfway up. The bottom 2/3rds was built from an outer step ramp built up a stones height at each completed level.
That would make no sense as the long ramps blocks were used to build the upper portion and needed to the ramp needed to be deconstructed in order to use those filler blocks which again lends it to the lower internal ramp as Kean Pierre describes
@@byronsmithinc That make sense🥸
@@davidcorbett1713 I'm wondering if the potential "void space" detected is, in fact, a _second_ smaller counter-weight shaft, used to facilitate the top third of the structure after the top of the first shaft was sealed in.
Ego, a human trait.The ego to want to have a monument dedicated to 'self' followed thousands of years later by egotistic individuals wanting control. I applaud the dedication of humbler humans who strive for the knowledge rather than the credit. Thoroughly enjoyed this revealing video.
Another great program. You are doing us a great service as your tonality exhibits patience. The primary ingredient to discovery.Your narrative was written in deep assessing thought. My perspective is based on
observation they must deliver the summation of a life’s work.At which point mystery has become provable
fact. It’s a spectacular journey all of us would like to make. Stay strong discover the foundation of whether an evolved version of our neighbors paid us a visit.
Thank you for your pragmatic and [traditional] scientific approach to analyzing all of these theories and emerging technologies. It is quite shameful for some "scientists" to be so easily dismissive of credible theories when it is commonly agreed upon that there are new discoveries still awaiting to be made at this vast archeological site. Keep up the great content!!
It's a myth that they (scientists) are not aware and are dodging alternative theories. Most alternative theories are unfounded with little to no evidence and emotional flights of fancy. If a theory is credible and has gravitas it eventually finds its way into consideration. This whole "scientists being dismissive" drama is perpetuated by guys with books to sell appealing to anti-establishment anarchists. Scientists don't seek to sit on old paradigms they prefer to publish and get credit for new discoveries which creates new grant money funding, better and bigger projects with accolades.
@montalbahn I was remarking on how Hawass and his mainstream peers simply discredit the muonography results as unproven technology due to its early development (alright, I see their point). But they also shut down any supporting non-invasive experiments to help give merit to the prior findings. Alternative theories are the foundation of the scientific method, and shouldn't be politicized based on someone's lack of understanding of newer technologies.
@@stephenr7424 Honestly I think it may indeed be as HFG said:
Hawass covering for inept management of his days renovating the pyramids.
He seems obsessive about appearances of activities in Egyptology more than the practices themselves, which speak to a political mind rather than a scientific one.
Nothing is more likely to put a politician on the defensive than having their greatest 'accomplishments' shown to have been even partially destructive, whether intentionally or not.
Regardless the moment something proves the theory right he will take credit for the discovery too - just as with politicians who often vote against spending/legislation that they disagree with, they will still drink of the benefits and claim that there is no good reason why they would not after the fact.
To summarise I think that the pseudo archaeology crowd that swarms around Hancock's adherents have Hawass completely backward - he doesn't steal artefacts (which is their main claim), he just steals credit and destroys anyone he doesn't feel conforms to his views on the subject.
He is an obsessive gatekeeper - but then again I fear without such an individual you might get someone that is too liberally minded that allows just about any kind of investigative mission short of full blown explosives.
Needless to say too much freedom could turn Egyptology backwards in a fashion that nobody (sane) wants to see.
@@stephenr7424 you are right in pointing out that he was not functioning as a dedicated man of science his role was more that of a government official in a rare economic post serving the needs of the state. Likely not an easy position tasked with preservation of the antiquities while safekeeping tourism which is intrinsically tied to new scientific discoveries and revelations. Few jobs such as this anywhere on this planet. A juggling while balancing act.
That the ancient Egyptians came up with this incredible approach is really remarkable. The fact that they could build the pyramids at all is really amazing.
it really isn't... this was world wide knowledge for a long time... it was lost to the earth cataclyism cycle. ua-cam.com/video/Kywa1QsvwKc/v-deo.html
That was fantastic. What a great channel. So well done.
A true scientist would never dismiss out of hand any of the available evidence, rather they would work to piece together a theory that could be tested by all the evidence, and see where this leads.
Great vid, thank-you for your tireless work on the subject.
Too bad the tourism dollars, and power of the position overwhelm the desire to learn anything new.
Amazing content, honestly! I just can't get enough!
I always defended the point that Archeology should be joined by Geologists, Engineers and Architects as they would have a lot of light to bring according to their knowledge and experience.
The best pyramidologist that I've known in my life started his career as an Economist! He travelled to Egypt more than 120 times in his life and he's is one of the few people that has visited and filmed the whole pyramid inside, even the well-shaft. He sadly pased away in 2020 but I'm sure he would have enjoyed a lot your videos.
Another fascinating video, thank you. I admire your humility when considering all aspects of the pyramids and your evaluation of what is available to you. I'm quickly consuming these presentations and appreciate how much work is put into them. Please continue.
Mr. Houdin's theory of using internal ramps in the construction of the Great Pyramid is brilliant. While there are still major gaps in the theory overall it works. The single biggest hold back on learning more about ancient Egypt for the last 50 years or so is Zahi "butt-plug" Hawass. Be happy, be safe
Regarding the queens' chamber shafts, if i read Houdin's article correctly, he speaks about the upper stones (the ones with the metal fittings that were drilled through, in 2002) for closing and opening the shafts. The closing from inside the chamber was done, after the shafts became obsolete during process. Besides from that, i like your elaborated detailed work, not only about this matter. Keep it up, please.
Of all the construction theories, I found Houdin's initial theory to be the most logical and practical. Houdin might not be entirely correct, but I feel his theory offers the best or closest method to which could have likely be employed. I have never thought a single external ramp from bottom to top was truly feasible from a practical aspect. While it might be simple, it isn't workable on such a large scale.
It is very possible they used both, and more techniques, not just one. You would do what you knew works until it doesn't, and from having made others you would no doubt have a whole slew of other tricks and techniques to lean on when other problems arose. You could very likely have multiple external ramps, an internal ramp, and hoist and lever and shim.
@@AveragePicker I worked in the original pyramid company. I can confirm we employed many methods for the construction of the pyramids. My back is still in pain, however.
I was looking for an update on this story less than a month ago. Thank you so much for posting!
great stuff... so glad I found your channel. It's amazing how it seems that the "officials" don't want the truth out
I respect the work you put with a very analytical stance this is how things should be done, but to me more than how it was "puzzled" it's all the logistics behind it that are the mystery and that are the basis of any major project.
It felt really good to hear this. It comes across as authentic, objective and unbiased. You asked questions and pointed in rational directions for answers about many of the things I have also been thinking. I'm not a scientist, but I've been fascinated by Egyptology for nearly 60 years. Zahi Hawass is an enigma. It's not unusual for people who have a lot invested in being very certain to feel easily threatened. Scientists, after all, are merely more focused, more neurotic versions of anyone else.
Apparently you're a person who doesn't live in a social sphere where you've ever met many or any scientists. The scientists I've known have tended to be more down to earth, psychologically balanced people than the average. They also tend to be kind of outdoorsy and more physically fit than the average schlepp. After all, you're talking about people who have had the discipline and mental resilience to master huge volumes of knowledge over many years of professional educational training. This kind of person tends to be emotionally stable and generally maintains a high level of health.
History will not remember very well scientists who unreasonably protect their theories only to have them debunked years later.
@@donnievance1942 Hawass was replaced or, fired yet, all university and other tech institutes professors teaching evolution as fact still have their jobs.
You mistake me on Hawass: no, I don't condone his dishonesty. Saying that, it is outright brainless to support evolution when it has been proven a total lie by Honest science, specially and most importantly, in mathematics/numbers (the only none bias and none prejudice science), not only millions, not only billions, but Trillions of times beyond the point of Probability. Many scientists are overall honest, but evolutionists are Not scientists but counter it instead. Oh, yeah: most scientists on biology, archaeology, anthropology, geology and a few more, are not as you said "down to Earth..." but arrogant, overly proud and ignorant when challenged, specially when it comes to creation, in which there is much evidence for.
I just watched a video that argued for the construction of a steep internal ramp. He said that a gradual ramp (shown as a straight 1:6 gradation going off into the distance) would require more material and man power than the pyramid itself. I like the spiral ramp idea because it allows for a gradual slope because the ramp IS the pyramid.
The problem is: you have to come up with techniques that are simple not just in their execution, but in their planning and logistics and measurement. These things were built before the invention of the wheel for gods sake. It’s hard to imagine they’d be able to make complex rope contraptions or anything. They also didn’t have 3d CAD tools to plan out a 500-step master plan that’s hard to explain without complex visuals. They had to use simple tools like a compass and straight edge to verify the dimensions and placement of blocks.
I think that great step is an important piece to the puzzle because it’s much easier to verify that something is equidistance from a reference point than it is to verify non-relative measurements.
As a trained stone mason, when building a cathedral spire you use the spiral staircase not to move material due to the plane but to move people you use a crane to move the stone and the spire is built internally and externally then the space between is infilled this is the real reason for the spiral staircases.
1 year later they had put a camera into the void behind the chevrons proving the ScanPyramids project correct, and Zahi Hawass immediately started bragging about it and making stuff up about Khufus burial chamber still being in there. It's so frustrating being forced to deal with such a capricious personality in order to study this.
I think the Grand Gallery being used as an construction ramp is so cool, especially when they walked through it on the documentary, just standing there seeing all the markings for it, it felt very conclusive, it was used for something all right. It's a shame people behave like children when all people are trying to do is to just figure out how something were built.
Hawass wanted to appear on TV, that's all. 📺
The slope of the grand gallery is about 26 degrees. I'd love for someone to demonstrate using sleds and pulleys, the moving of an 80 ton block of granite up such a steep grade with manpower.
@@LBCAndrew Counter-weights an trolleys.
I believe the idea is that the Grand Gallery is a path for counterweights, not that the big blocks were pulled up in it.
@@gjh42 , same group(s) can reset counter weight while first sled descends back for another larger block. Pretty freakin' clever. I believe the "mystery voids" were there for the functionality of the pyramid. Used to have a moat around it too. Perhaps that's why the main door is located above ground level. Perhaps the drummers/caretakers took boats over. Tesla designed his Colorado Springs wireless energy device after the great pyramid's setup.
Two remarks:
1. This video is about the great void, contrary to the title which is about the internal spiral ramp theory.
2. The biggest problem with an internal ramp, as Murphy once said: Shit Happens...
If you have the slightest accident happening anywhere along the ramp, the whole workflow comes to a dead stop.
There is a video about a "Rolling Stones" theory. I find that theory rather intriguing (and it is also based on archeological findings of the tools required).
The bit about the smooth casing stones being installed from the top down could work pretty well with a spiral ramp which is anchored on ledges of blocks which are also backfilled as the ramp is dismantled from the top down. This could mean that the "lifting levers" were only used to set and place block within a few houses of each loop of the spiral as well as the very top. As a result there may not be any true voids following the spiral but a discontinuity where material was later back filled.
I found one video from your channel, a day later I'm going down an ancient egypt rabbit hole and designing a pyramid dungeon for dnd. your videos are great and you should keep them up
This is actually a genius theory. The grand gallery might have been nothing but a channel to hold the counterweight and they could have had a ratchet and pully system. We for some reason give meaning to the grand gallery as a magical tomb or something.
*Nobody* ever claimed the grand galley was a tomb. Because no sarcophagus or ornaments or anything remotely resembling a final resting place has ever been discovered there.
Plenty of people claimed it was the "entrance to the underworld" butt actually it's just a channel that was filled with water to float the blocks in ☝️
@@kxkxkxkx float...
Float the STONE blocks which are denser than water.. UPHILL???
This was so interesting. Thanks for posting!
The latest models propose the use of water flotation to elevate blocks - I’ve seems two models that appear to work very effectively- do you think the water buoyancy method is viable ?
I like Houdin's ideas, because they push thinking in different directions. But at same time, I think some aspects of his hypothesis are too complicated. The ancient Egyptians were incredibly practical people who found solutions to complex problems through 'simple', if yet labor-intensive or time-consuming means. Their priorities were different than ours.
And Egyptology has some of the worst gatekeeping around! It's really sad!
Regardless, this is an excellent video! Great job! 👍👍 ❤❤