I was really enjoying the talk & readings of our history but sadly this vid stops in mid sentence. I don't know how much we missed out on but this is still worth watching regardless. It looks like it was a good & funny evening out.
Was the British Library asleep at the wheel or something? The video just stops in mid-sentence. Please rectify this - that was a fascinating conversation that should be preserved for posterity.
One of the things not bought out in this conversation is that even in the 1960s things were a lot different for working class men than the middle or upper classes. This is demonstrated very well in the first volume when in 1954 Lord Montagu, Peter Wildeblood and Michael Pitt Rivers stood trial, because of their involvement with Johnny Reynolds and Eddie McNally, two working class airmen, who were hoodwinked by the police into turning Queens evidence. Eddie and Johnny had relations with all three men (Eddie more with Peter Wildeblood exclusively), yet they are demonised, and Montagu in particular committed perjury, clearly thinking his aristocratic connections would be believed. With all due respect to Neil and Peter, it is very easy in their world of the arts and The Guardian to be devil-may-care, but the law was a lot harder on the shop assistant or the factory worker, than they would be on aristocrats, MPs and the more debtitled professions, In London there were two very different worlds for the gay man, just as there was throughout the country. Also the film Victim, though superb, shows life from an upper class perspective - The Leather Boys made a year later, though not released till 1964, starring Colin Campbell and Dudley Sutton depicting the lives of two working class men, rarely gets a mention in any critical survey. These two volumes though are superb and very expertly constructed.
I recently made a pilgrimage to the Ace Cafe on the North Circular Road a little after Wembley. Love the film, the Leather Boys, and particularly a racing scene which shows the North Circular in its original form.
I was grateful for that correction by Neil Bartlett about avoiding a tabloid take on pre-decriminalisation as an era of darkness. Just as it shouldn't be imagined that life post-Wolfenden suddenly transformed into an ear of great liberation. In fact, prosecutions under the sexual offences act rose as did police harassment of gay bars.
I was really enjoying the talk & readings of our history but sadly this vid stops in mid sentence. I don't know how much we missed out on but this is still worth watching regardless. It looks like it was a good & funny evening out.
Thank you for sharing this.
Well that ended rather suddenly... A pity, I was rather enjoying this talk.
Was the British Library asleep at the wheel or something? The video just stops in mid-sentence. Please rectify this - that was a fascinating conversation that should be preserved for posterity.
What a beautiful set.
One of the things not bought out in this conversation is that even in the 1960s things were a lot different for working class men than the middle or upper classes. This is demonstrated very well in the first volume when in 1954 Lord Montagu, Peter Wildeblood and Michael Pitt Rivers stood trial, because of their involvement with Johnny Reynolds and Eddie McNally, two working class airmen, who were hoodwinked by the police into turning Queens evidence. Eddie and Johnny had relations with all three men (Eddie more with Peter Wildeblood exclusively), yet they are demonised, and Montagu in particular committed perjury, clearly thinking his aristocratic connections would be believed. With all due respect to Neil and Peter, it is very easy in their world of the arts and The Guardian to be devil-may-care, but the law was a lot harder on the shop assistant or the factory worker, than they would be on aristocrats, MPs and the more debtitled professions, In London there were two very different worlds for the gay man, just as there was throughout the country. Also the film Victim, though superb, shows life from an upper class perspective - The Leather Boys made a year later, though not released till 1964, starring Colin Campbell and Dudley Sutton depicting the lives of two working class men, rarely gets a mention in any critical survey. These two volumes though are superb and very expertly constructed.
LOVE The Leather Boys!!
I recently made a pilgrimage to the Ace Cafe on the North Circular Road a little after Wembley. Love the film, the Leather Boys, and particularly a racing scene which shows the North Circular in its original form.
I was grateful for that correction by Neil Bartlett about avoiding a tabloid take on pre-decriminalisation as an era of darkness. Just as it shouldn't be imagined that life post-Wolfenden suddenly transformed into an ear of great liberation. In fact, prosecutions under the sexual offences act rose as did police harassment of gay bars.
Fix this please! I need to see the rest!
Basil Deardon: “Victim”❤️
Ulli's Amercian accent has disappered......
Such a vile slur in the title.
I came out in the late 80s and the Q word was a term of abuse. I doubt gay men post war would have came out as ‘Q’ either