Are the Pittsburgh Police Covering Up a Serial Killer?
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2024
- Pittsburgh is known for its rivers and the bridges over them (as well as a bunch of Super Bowls but I won't be salty as a Philadelphian). Since 2011, however, five young men have drowned under suspicious circumstances in those same rivers. According to the DA, these are all tragic, alcohol related accidents; but some have argued for a different possibility - a serial killer. The Smiley Face Killers folks think they've got a solid case, but do they? Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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No, thanks. I don't support scummy businesses owned by chinese companies.
@@chrischan9318 Definitely chinese spyware, but hey they like memes.
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So you should do a video on the missouri cannibal and his cannibal truckers buddy arrested 2 years ago. I have trouble finding info about it on UA-cam since,I know there's a on going investigation because there could be a group of truckers running a international human meat trafficking organization. What got him arrested was he fed human meat to.his neighbors at a neighborhood bbq,and people got sick. And...and he might be connected to the Springfield 3,a woman andher 2 daughters who went missing 20 plus years ago because when arrested he bragged about snatching her and her kids,torturing them and eating them. Of all the bodies they found on his property.( there were alot) 3 female skeletons had remains of clothes matching what the Springfield 3 wearing the nite they went missing.
What got him caught was,not he feeding of human meat to.his neighbors, but a guy was on the dark web watching idk live streamimg torture porn of a woman who.match a woman who had gone missing 2.weeks earlier,and he contacted the fbi thru a anonymous tip hot line. By the time the fbi got there....the chick was hanging on a literal meathook in the guys shed ans the guy answer the dooelr eating a human meat sandwich. No joke. I'm not joking sir.
The Police: The first 48 hours is absolutely crucial. The trail goes cold after that.
Also the Police: We won't pick up the trail until it's been at least 24 hours.
The Police. What a joke. All they're capable of is highway robbery. Citations & traffic fines.
@@niconine268 Seems their existence thrives on the idea if you're committing the crime, they'd be all over you. Meanwhile, if you're the victim, more likely than not they'd wait to show up until they themselves wouldn't be put in danger.
@@niconine268 and protecting black criminals, and punishing Whites who defend themselves from said black criminals.
@@niconine268 if you disagree, you're either ignorant or a total liar.
@@dennisspence367 Is that contingent upon the 'if' or some other aspect ?
This is wild. So the weekend Jimmy Slack disappeared, I was drinking with some friends in the north side in a really shady bar. My drink got roofied and I ended up getting separated from my friends. Somehow I regained consciousness, was in shaler township in the back seat of a vehicle that had an African American male driver and a white female in the passenger seat. I remember we were at a Sheetz and they were trying to get me to get my mom to send money via Western Union to the Greyhound bus station. It wasn't my phone, my phone had gone missing and while my friends were trying to reach me they kept saying someone else was answering it. I don't know if I just walked out or struggled but managed to get out of the vehicle, walk to the counter at the Sheetz and told the clerk I had been kidnapped. Apparently my shirt was ripped and I had blood dripping from my forehead. When the cops arrived they said my friends had already reported me missing. They drove me home in Bloomfield and I blacked out again for hours. The cops never called me back to follow up
I'd also like to add I'm 6 ft and at the time was 180 lbs with dirty blonde hair and hazel eyes and was 26 at the time
Damn, that’s scary as hell. You waking up saved your life. Did you ever file a formal police report about this kidnapping attempt? These 2 people have probably been active for a while and could be the answer to the question of why the drowned men’s bodies were not consistent with drowning. Dakota especially was held somewhere for weeks before he was found dead. Please don’t let these people kidnap anyone else! 😢
I live 45 min south of the city... your story gave me chills
Jeez.. The police are so useless
I lived on Cabinet in Bloomfield for years, about a 200 yard stumble from the BBT or TeaBags.
Howdy! I work in corrections in the Pittsburgh region. While not necessarily policing, we are still law enforcement and associate with police regularly. Im gonna be honest. Pittsburgh PD doesn't have a great reputation. At all. In my personal encounters in the city, they've been near useless, and in my professional settings, they get memed on a lot. It's not shocking to me in the slightest that this is incompetence at best and malice at worst from them. Recent news about Pittsburgh PD not answering calls from 3-7 a.m. going absolutely viral should tell you all you need to know. Hope this sheds some light...
The mayor changed the hours and manpower. The police aren't simply ignoring the phone. Be mindful of who you vote for.
If you think anyone in law enforcement voted for peduto or gainy your crazy.
What’s corrections department are you an employee of?
@@angelknox7791 right! Crazy what's happening.
Nothing but respect for you COs. *Salutes* Cops are lazy SCUMBAGS. You guys should get to retire in 10 from some of the crap I heard happens in Somerset
As a citizen of Pittsburgh ill say the grassroots effort to find Dakota was HUGE. If I remember correctly it was particularly cold in the time he was missing. When our rivers freeze they stay frozen. I know a guy who jumped off a bridge and body couldn't be recovered for months because of the ice. All I'm saying is our rivers have been used for years to confuse police and water teams
So many young WIsconsin men have gone missing and ended up in bodies of water away from their university bars, unexplained, separated from all of their friends and sometimes miles away. There are too many coincidences, too many patterns for them to all be random. Thank you for doing what the police have failed to do on behalf of these young men.
A dude I grew up with named Marlon Blue was killed by the smiley face at NIU in the early 2000s. Went to take a pee, ended up shirtless and dead in a lake. RIP.
This has happened in LaCrosse, Wisconsin. I grew up on a farm down there. There’s many bars along the third st. And very close to the Mississippi River which they seem to end up in the river. I admit some of this seems strange. But the college kids sure like to drink down there. It seems like it’s been a long time since anyone has disappeared. But I don’t live there anymore so I don’t hear everything in that area.
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I remember Mr. Paulides speaking on that. Wisconsin naturally being settled by Germanic and polish descent.
Only college town area that I know has so many “drowned” young men. King of odd how La crosse. I studied criminal Justice at University of Western Ontario and we had a Prof Michael Arntfield and he’s a world renouned serial killer hunter and expert and has written books. We looked into La Crosse Wisconsin he’s convinced there’s a police officer there that’s a serial killer
He said with his profiling he did he believes it’s a white male, a police office or detective, started killing in his mid 30s and does it because he’s ashamed he’s gay and kills men he’s attracted to.
"A bridge too far."
As a former Pittsburgh resident, I felt pain at a spiritual level from that.
Ooooooooo same!
How long has that one bridge been closed? Jesus
The city of bridges. I do love it.
Had to pause and look for a comment. Imagine if Google maps kept track of how many times you go over a bridge 😅😅
RIGHT
When police declare something "accidental," it's generally code for "dont know, dont care, write it off, fill the quota and move along." Very similar to archeologists declaring something was used for "ceremonial purposes."
Austin cops are doing this with the cases of young gay men being pulled from Town Lake/Lady Bird Lake too.
You forgot to mention that Cyril Wecht was the Pittsburgh coroner for a very long time. He’s used to seeing bodies that come out of the 3 rivers. Or what doesn’t look normal for a body coming out of the 3 rivers for that period of time.
Yeah he is the real deal!
It's crazy, He not only has done Pittsburgh issues but high profile Country issues. And they think he isn't right? Doc is amazing!
I know several officers from the city. Their relationship with Wecht was always... strained much of the time. Wecht is also a camera hound and loves the attention bit he's usually right in his assessments
He’s a publicity hound. I have no faith in anything he says.
@@jimfoster7986 based on what?
I was a student at Duquesne when Dakota went missing, didn’t know him personally, but I remember the missing person flyers up all over campus. Absolutely no one believed that his death was accidental.
Ever buy the smiley faced cookies from Eat'n Park? Kinda coincidental they have a location on the water near where the bodies were found huh?
@@antagonizerr This guy, officer. That's the guy who knows too much. Gettem.
@@antagonizerrthere’s so many locations tho not all near water
Yes but this location is literally 100 feet from where several of the bodies were found AND smile faced cookies are their main product. Isn't that strange? @@Gixsir
@@antagonizerr I think you're just overacting, you're just reading to much into it, nothing to see here, whatever you do don't google Tower 7
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20 years of EMS, broken ribs are not easy to detect particuarly with a combative person. It is very easy to see the roommates not knowing he had additional injuries.
No way he accidentally fell in the river and floated around for 40 days then is conveniently found 15 miles away with limited decomposition. Considering he still had a BAC, and some autopsy reports have suggested his internal temperatures were colder than the water, I believe he was kept in refrigeration somewhere before being dumped back in the river, in a different location
The answer to "are the police attempting to cover something up" is more often then not YES
Usually that they don’t want to do some work or that they are completely at a loss.
than* than is comparative. then is chronological
The cities don't want any bad press. Sadly it's not just Pittsburgh I've heard New Orleans has similar patterns of bodies being discovered that didn't seem connected to any gangs.
@@bickyboo7789Wisconsin has a whole bunch of young men who have gone missing and were later found in bodies of water.
It is usually "Are the police actively covering something up, or are they just lazy and stupid?" and I think this one is the former, though the first case had some of the latter.
You need to cover the Chicago aspect of this case as well… it’s dozens and dozens of men going missing and the police refuse to do anything.
Up in Madison WI too, seems to be lots of disappearances in college cities
@@milkshake1993Wisconsin has ALOT of cases if missing young men being found in bodies of water
Chicago had literal governent black sites/ prisons.
South side
Weird how there are all these hot spots of missing people, mostly men.
One of these victims was my best friend. Jimmy Cook, 2005. Died at CalU in western PA, fell in the river allegedly after partying with some friends for a 21st bday celebration. The theory was tossed around that he was a victim of this killer, nothing came of it.
I’m sorry for your loss.
It's hard to accept for a lot of people when a loved one gets drunk and has a fatal accident I remember about 6 years ago a good friend of mine got drunk and stumbled onto some train tracks and got hit by a train everyone swore up and down he was murdered and placed there blah blah blah nah he just got drunk and couldn't stumble across the tracks fast enough
@@user-bh3uv6vx9gsorry that you had that happen to you but it can be kinda of hard for people like you, apparently, to remember that not everyone shares your life experience and it could in fact have been something else that killed this person.
@@ronkledonkanusmoncher564 could be but until the evidence proves otherwise it's an accident
Have you ever heard of Missing 411? I think David Paulidas covered his death on his channel CanAm Missing Project. People are disappearing under very mysterious circumstances mostly in National Parks but it can happen anywhere.
There have been over 20 people found dead in a body of water in Austin over the past 20 years and it has been ticking up in the frequency in the past couple of years. cops don't think any of the deaths are connected and consistently attribute the deaths to accidents despite there being evidence to suggest otherwise. and a handful of men found were known to be at one nearby street before going missing. I don't remember details but I'd love to hear you cover this as it's quite literally close to home for me.
@strangelegend6209 I watched the doc on that. Very interesting. Several of the victims were at the same bar the same night they disappeared. I don't understand how police don't think there's a connection. Same as the guys here in Wisconsin. All college students found in rivers after drinking at bars.
@@jillniemczynski5517 where in wisconsin? i'm from the upper peninsula.
@@draco4540 Hi draco it was centered in the Lacrosse area. All college kids, left a bar, bodies discovered in water. LE swears there's no connection. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@draco4540 One more thing, stay safe & warm!🤗
@@jillniemczynski5517 it's currently monday. last saturday, was a b$$ch. we got 12+ inches of snow. I'm almost 60 years old. the older i get, the more i hate winter (snow). i used to wonder why my dad would complian about winters. it wasn't until a few years ago that i ralized why he complained about winters so much. i sure will stay safe and warm.
As a Pittsburgh local, one thing to keep in mind is that the river trails follow all of the rivers (often times on both sides), so the trail being the last location each of the guys were seen is a bit more minor. Plus, many of the bars located in Southside or the North Shore are along roads parallel with the rivers.
As a Pittsburgh native who was in college when Dakota disappeared, I appreciate you sharing his story. I will never forget the feeling of dread I had when I saw the story on my FB in 2017. I just”discovered” the missing 411 and knew they’d find him in the water. Something about this case has always rubbed me wrong.
You just discovered the '411' and you 'knew' they were going to find the man in the water? in Pittsburgh? SMH
What were the racial demographics of the area in which he went missing?
Yes same timing, I went to duquesne. So many water related disappearances of young men, esp any sort of queer identity. I warned my younger brother whenever he'd visit me and we'd go out
@@megank9355No, most were straight.
If you go walking around north side after midnight then you have poor situational awareness. You young people don't remember the Burgh back in the day, just because it looks pretty now doesn't mean jack. 80s and early 90s it was known you were asking for trouble.
You need to also look up what little Info exists for Patrick Rohal, who also had been at a bar on 22nd and Wharton that disappeared and had never been found I work at 2100 Wharton street and I walk past Paul Kochu's apartment every day. The missing signs had been up for Patrick all over , but it is like no one cares about him. Patrick had been at Rugger's bar a half a block away from Paul's apartment, and while Patrick is older than the others, he looked young. The video of Patrick crossing Carson street after leaving Rugger's, walking behind a white van sitting at a red light and then the van pulls away and Patrick is gone has been pretty much scrubbed from the Internet. It was haunting...
And within a week of Patrick disappearing, on a sidewalk to 2100's parking lot, across from Rugger's, a blue smiley face was painted.
do you have any pictures of that smiley face?
Or any other details?
Pittsburgh resident here with a friend who is a detective. I asked him, after a person went missing: "didja hear some people think there is a serial killer causing all this?".. my friend (the detective) replied with: "we still do." Which was nice to hear they were taking the possibility seriously.
Then why won’t they say so? I’m not angry at you or even your friend; I know how these departments work. I just can’t understand why, at this point, they would keep quiet if they share the suspicions?
@TheLoreLodge ongoing investigation, I presume. *shrug*..spitballing here, they could have a lead on someone. If they announce they are theorizing its a murderer, thr murder could go dormant, trail could run cold, perhaps?
Hey Aidens, I stand by my former comment that this is at least 2 people, one male, who are drugging potential victims and kidnapping them. I believe that the victim is kept somewhere isolated until they determine if he can generate a ransom or not. It could also be a case of human trafficking gone wrong. How many people who fit the rough profile just disappear every year? The ones found dead are those who were not suitable for their needs. Just a theory.
There is another comment here from a local that said he was drugged in the north side and kidnapped by a male African American and white female and ended up in Shaler. Close to where that one guy was said to have driven to
Shaker sucks 👎🏽 just another reason to hate that f’d up area 🙅🏻♀️
There are certain witnesses that reported seeing a man and woman couple.
@@GodfatherBoxSetI’m local and the theory above definitely falls in line with the theories and alleged sightings we have heard and throw around conversation
I think this theory is the closest to what is most likely going on
There’s another individual who went missing north of Pittsburgh in 2011 in a town called Beaver Falls, who went missing on a running trail (near the river) and his body was found 4 months later… Was a college student at the local school Geneva College.. Was ruled an accidental drowning yet he was out for a morning run when he “accidentally drowned”… Suspicious.
Another follow up to this, Devon Minor, forgot to provide his name, was found near Monaca in the river
Everyone said for a long time that there wasn't a serial killer in long Island but lo and behold
Yeah and it turns out he lived around the block from me for like 30 years. That bugged me tf out….
We knew and many of my friends suspected he was from Massapequa.
Find the funeral homes via obituaries and display ads in newspapers, as well as individual websites. Call them. Be friendly. A lot of funeral homes have copies or access to the death certificates and, if appropriate, affidavits. No body can be cremated without a concrete cause of death listed from the doctor or coroner.
The amount of young men disappearing after nights out, even during. Then never being found or being found in water are numerous. Im in Uk and here too there are a lot of cases.
Apparently there is a "pusher" killer operating around the midlands, where there are many canals.
What do they have in common tho? Where they involved in political causes or movements. Oofing dissidents and making it look like random crimes is a golden rule of a "soft" tyranny.
@@constantinethecataphract5949 Oh C'mon stop with the stupidity. There are genuinely young men disappearing on nights out. The most likely cause is terrifying. But to start bs like that.... ???!!!
@@constantinethecataphract5949 Its the Woke mob liberals canceling their existence for real real.
@arakkaramoon586 then it could be terrorists.
I'm a Pittsburgh native. The second I saw the title of your video, I knew this was about Dakota. While I'm not convinced the police are covering up a serial killer (they were far more active and involved than implied by the parents and this video), I will reinforce that Dakota's case is absolutely infamous in my city and surrounding suburbs, and not a single person understands what happened to him.
Pittsburgh came alive looking for that boy. Everyone was looking for him. His case will probably never be forgotten by my city.
You're absolutely right
I think it's probably a serial killer or organized crime, since the FBI and secret service were there. But the chances of anyone being a victim are so astronomically low, there are probably more people who die from furniture each year in Pittsburgh alone. And more people just fall in the water, than are victims. So it is scary, but realistically it's not that big of a deal. There are usually a decent number of serial killers in the country who are never caught, and it's such low numbers of victims nobody notices a few dozen a year out of 340 million people.
@Pistolita221 it's quite easy to fall into the rivers here as well, especially the Allegheny along the north shore. Also him being a Duquesne student he could have wondered into the wrong neighborhood becuase its quite bad around the university, especially at that time
@@GodfatherBoxSetwhy is it so bad around Universities everywhere? It should be one place that is kept safe😪PS...loves The Godfather!
I think it's pretty easy to understand a drunk person falling into the river and drowning. It happens so frequently around here.
Neville Island is one of the most depressing places in PA. It's all industrial and post industrial abandoned buildings. Most people there are working and not paying attention any else so it would be an easy place to dump a body, especially at night. Drive down the ramp find your spot, dump it in the river and drive back up and you're on the interstate.
As someone who has lived there. Yeah, old industrial on basically 2/3 of the island. Poor security on buildings at night besides window and silent alarms but usually just cats tipping them so people ignore them a lot, not a lot of cameras. There is a specific part of the island I would go to and hang out near the water, maybe smoke a J, if you look around you can 100% find a building with 0 CCTV coverage.
It’s heroin island lol
Pittsburgh is a strange city. Lots of mafia history, secret societies, and old money, lots of weird shit. There’s something distinctly magical and terrifying about that land
It's the junction of the rivers. Draws all sorts of weirdness.
Eh trust me, its about as boring as a bucket bolts around here
@@callmevegito just depends on where you’re at and who you know I guess. It’s been a while since I lived out that way but when I was out there I’d seen terrorist attacks, an fbi shootout with a biker gang at a bar initiated by an agent dancing too hard, interstate LGBT drug operations, a gun shop in McKeesport that nearly tripled the murder rate by intentionally selling guns to felons, a machete attack on Wood Street, a pizza man get robbed with an AR-15 which ended in a cop shootout, a high school football coach using the star QB to sell dope (he was murdered in his house before 21), an entire police department get recused from a murder case that involved the spouse of a known mafiosa, and perhaps most jarring, the Milano’s pizza incident where a mom and pop pizza shop got harassed and boycotted because of a pizza chain with the same name down the street aggressively throwing out a black woman.
I live there. Several missing men seem to disappear from the same bar….it’s bizarre.
That is an interesting coincidence
Same here in Austin, gay men are being pulled from Town Lake/Lady Bird Lake after they were last seen on Rainey St, our downtown gay bar district. 10 so far. Too coincidental and APD are too quick to call each one accidental as well while poo pooing on concerns of a serial killer/a.
And who is the owner?Something similar happened with the missing women in Juarez,they were all registered with the same language school.
I'm struggling with sharing this video !!! I'm a friend of B.Davis's father and I'm big fan of your work / channel however I'm not sure how his father will take watching this video or the things It's suggesting. I can tell you the Davis was absolutely not one to commit suicide and from what I understand he was a very head strong , well liked kid !!! You definitely got me thinking about several things now. Keep up the good work & putting out these videos !!
We wouldn’t ever want to cause someone pain through our content, so please do as you think is best.
I knew Brandon from dice😔😖🕊️🙏🏾rest in peace to him he was a great friend to me and my sister too. He definitely walks with us.
I believe the more thats spoken out the better itll be heard
Law and Crime Network released a video about 2 weeks ago regarding bodies in Austin, Texas found in Ladybird Lake. The circumstances are very similar to the ones in other cities. All men, drinking at bars within a few block radius, showing up in the lake much later. Suspected druggings. It may be worth looking into it if you haven't already.
Yet that network is wrong about the Idaho 4
I thought about lady bird lake as well.
I was looking for this comment, I saw another channel talking about Ladybird Lake
I've always suspected that this guy was killed by an off duty cop that was working as a bouncer and that's why it's been covered up.
It’s peduto.
My brother goes to University of Pittsburgh, definitely scary to think there could be serial murders connected in the area
I was just at Pitt last (2022) Summer for Japanese, what a small world!
Well, great minds think alike, because I was ALSO a student there in the 2000’s for a Humanities Degree, after transferring from Duquesne University 👍🏽😂✌🏽
@@aimeewank7859 Humanites degree and great minds lol
Or only people connected to Pittsburgh get videos about Pittsburgh
@@a-iz4pg lol haha I know what a waste that was.
I live in Pittsburgh, have for 6 years. Young men go missing every year. The police here are a joke, same w the DA.
I'm born and raised in Pittsburgh at age of 42 I can say that our city police are one of the most ignorant and incompetent police officers and forces I've had experience with. I've been pulled over and had an officer harass me and stuff $400 cash in my mouth and tell me to eat it. This was after he used a mini metal baton on the bone of elbow while arm was pulled behind my back and caused serious swelling and bruising. All because he couldn't find drugs or any other reason to arrest me so he acted like a bully and totally violated my rights. That's just one experience.
Click "X" to doubt
I’m so sorry you went through that
@@cjboyo you're such a moron to believe this story
Get a camera for your car and property.
@@rickyspanish9002big city cops in the 80’s / 90’s were some of the biggest monsters out there, I won’t be clicking your x
I'm born and raised in Pittsburgh and we still have so many questions about the Dakota case.
It's not uncommon to find bodies in the Ohio River, especially in the spring time when everything is getting warm again.
There's just some things about his case that don't feel like a standard jumper case.
having recently moved to pittsburgh and recognizing all of these locations freaked me out but man another great video
Same bro lol
yeah this one is a bit too close by for comfort
There's murders daily here
@@tayahmoon i'm well aware of that, but usually the cases lore lodge covers take place in the mountains or a forest/national park. most people in the city aren't dying in mysterious ways so these cases stand out.
Police looking at a body wearing a bulletproof vest with 27 arrows sticking out of its stomach, half a face blown off with a shotgun, with a signed note stapled to their chest and a backpack full of white powder floating in the river: *poor, sad drunk, mustve fell in*
You'd think if loads of people keep falling in the river the city would consider putting up more barriers to counteract this
This is happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. Boston, Chicago, I believe Austin (may be a different city in Texas), and a few more I can't remember exactly. Same exact M.O.
There is 100% an active serial killer in the USA right now, and you cannot convince me otherwise that this person is traveling from city to city, probably to lessen the heat on them.
Yes all over America many other cities too. The theory is it is a gang of people under a similar call. The MOs and Victim demographics are similar and the circumstances too. Someone or something is killing young men all over.
There are between 25 and 50 possible serial killers active in the USA at this time - FBI stats. Available from a quick search.
Austinite here, my theory is that since most victims appear to be gay men, nearly every one of the men pulled out of Town Lake/Ladybird Lake were last seen on Rainey St our local gay bar district downtown, it could be a hate group working in tandem across America. With the rise in white nationalists, white supremacists and neo-Nazis here, as well as around the world, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if it is what is going on rn.
Man, I'm tired of my comments disappearing when they didn't violate anything, just stated facts.
Take 2: Yes this is happening in Austin, 10 men pulled from Town Lake/Lady Bird Lake that were last seen on Rainey St which is our gay bar district. This is getting crazy. My theory is that there could be a h8 group/s working in tandem to unalive gay guys across America. Cops are too quick to call them accidentals.
Just today march 19, 2024 a body has been found again in the charles river in boston, by newton. Again 😞
Your videos are so detailed especially in the Native American department. I live in Ohio and there is so much native culture to the region that most people forget about...If you are taking requests, The Mothman connection with The Battle of Chief Cornstalk is an interesting story. Lots of native bloodshed by George Washington's army in Point Pleasant, WV. I used to have relatives that lived there and I truly believe those violent actions left a mark on that area. Lots of railway accidents, mining accidents, as well as the well known bridge collapse are just a few examples of the curse put on that region. Not to mention economic and drug problems that plague the area as well. Also, the famous serpent mounds aren't more than an hour away across the river in Ohio.
Going back 300 years to find something bad Whitey did, how many white women got raped by black men TODAY? How many black shootings occurred TODAY??? Stabbings? Robberies? Today!!!!?
🎉🎉🎉 true!! I have never heard that level of detailed native history, mostly it's focused on the white folks in the fort. Keep up the great work Aidan!
As someone who lives on the Ohio side of that bridge and is an avid believer of cryptids and the like, the scariest thing about Point is the methman. Our area is just another Appalachian town raised then killed by progress. Then the wound was left to fester by the goverment pushing pain killers down the working mans throats from the 80s on up. Truth to God this area is just the po-dunk version of what they did to the inner cities.
To be honest, the FBI can be involved in _any and all cases_ for _any crime_ in a consulting and/or advisory role upon specific request of the Police Department or District Attorney's office that have jurisdiction over said case.
This is true. From what I know too, the FBI- profilers, 🔍 have to have 3 homicides-deaths with similar evidence, scenes, clues to consider it a serial killer, serial case 📂.
They should get involved, too many similar not alive gay men being pulled from rivers that run through cities. My theory is that a, starts with h rhymes with rate, group could be working in tandem targeting gay men. With the rise of Christian and/or white nationalists, neo-Knot-zs and a resurgence of white supremacists in America, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
as a Pittsburgh resident I 1000% believe this the cops here are so corrupt
I was acquaintances with Koty in high school. This story always breaks my heart. He was doing what we all did at 23.
I loved hearing about the Shawnee in this episode! I'm distantly related to the Shawnee through my great grandmother, who is a descendent of Martin Chartier and Seawatha Straight-Tail. My great-grandmother grew up in Illinois, moved to Kentucky in her early teens, and then to PA when she got married. She ended back in the state her ancestors called home and never even knew it.
Why is it every white girl claims to have some sort of native American in them lol.
You have the whitest last name ever.
Anyone can say they have some sort of something if they go far enough behind
Since we're talking Pittsburgh: can yinz give some thought to Tonee Turner? She went missing from Squirrel Hill in 2019. Id be happy to help you get more info + access to the fb group where her family posts. It's a really bizarre case.She dissapeared without a trace, possibly while crossing a bridge. Maybe even related???
💔 Tonee Turner. I still hope for her safe return or some news of what's happened to her.
I’m from Pittsburgh. Shaler is a community on the north side of town not to far from where the body was found. I think the yelp review was the killer sending the police to a house that he could watch or hear about the police searching. I managed a kitchen on the south side and young white guys went missing from around there often. I even talked to some of our male servers about it.
Man every time I see the lore lodge cover this type of missing trend it always makes me sad that so many sons, brothers, or friends go missing like this
On Dakoda, I'm typically not a huge fan of the Smiley Face Killer theory but there's so much sus shit about this case. The fact that he allegendly managed to walk from the North shore to South side is insane, especially given it happened at night during the winter months. I've done similar drunk walks before and going across the bridges can be brutal, but making it that far down E Carson st while not being fully conscious? thats sus. Those winds bite enough to pull anyone into consciousness. I have mixed thoughts on his body. Those rivers don't move too fast during Decemeber and they're also filled with trash to get stuck on. But only a couple of miles and such little decomposition? Furthermore, I also don't see this being hate crime related, the most you typically get is weird looks.
Overall, its not hard to fall off of those bridges / trails, but given the low BAC of the men, there atleast had to be something purposeful there.
He didn't walk to the South Side from the North Shore. He didn't even make it over the Clemente Bridge.
as someone that’s been drugged with ghb, and lives in pittsburgh, not only did i walk from mount washington to mount oliver completely unaware of it…you never know man
the cops picked me up and i woke up halfway through processing at ACJ, i was RORd for a warrant, but i had no medical attention, no hospital trip, they assumed i was high and that was that
the city cops here DO NOT give a fuck
Randomly found this channel today, really well done and researched. I strongly agree there's foul play involved in at least 4 of these cases. However something that's never mentioned as to why it takes so long to find the bodies is the giant, very deep whirlpool right beyond the submarine docked outside of the Science Center across from Hienz Field. When you're taking a tour of the sub you can actually see it swirling from the deck. My good friend has been a cop in pittsburgh for over 20 years and spent time on the river rescue boats. He said bodies are often sucked down into the much colder water for months before washing out. Just a little fact I thinks worth mentioning. Again, amazing work so far and can't wait to see more.
That is a good tip
I always appreciate your history section at the beginnings. People who want to skip that are missing out, in my opinion. Keep up the good work. :)
What do those sections have to do with the rest of the video? He might as well discuss the local sports teams it would be just as relevant
@reaver1414 simple, it builds an idea of the region and gives the reader more context of the area.
@@reaver1414 context is important for a story
I've always felt like some of these drownings death were suspicious... Random but when you said "Giant Eagle" it took me a second to realize what you were talking about. We say "Gian Iggle"
In Erie Giant Eagle vets refer to it as Big Bird lol
I highly think these people that went missing had to have something else in common that police haven't divulged. It wreaks of some sort of foul play. Drugs, trafficking, hell, even cheating in university can ride on crazy stakes when drugs become involved with that.
Maybe they were leftists or had involvement with some political movement or sth.
They all sound like they got drugged. Dudes dad said it’s out of character for him to act this way. Then Paul acting completely out of character. And the first dude.
Someone is obviously spiking drinks and stalking dudes when they leave. Need bar footage tbh
Bartenders can actually be accomplices
The northside is extremly sketchy, especially late at night.... I went to the art institute of Pittsburgh way back in 2005 and they housed us in Alleghany center on the northside and it was rough.
Two years before Dakota James, Pittsburgh had young bi man Andre Gray missing for 5 months with obvious crime scene at his apartment and then found in the Ohio River in West Virginia and determined as murder - we (Pittsburgh) did really believe the Dakota and Andre cases were connected at the time. If you can, i would really recommend bringing that one person who doesn't look like the profile into this deeper dive your considering. At the very least it could contribute to the understanding of why the FBI came in. In the moment our community believed Dakota and Andre were related. We do not know now if they were, they still could have been.
Bravo! I always learn something new while listening, which is my favorite thing to happen whilst listening to anything. It just doesn't get any better for me. Except perhaps when the person I'm listening to gets so much closer (than the authorities) to solving a crime or mystery by taking the sane route, in which you guys are steadfast. Really love this series.
Going to have to re-listen as I suffer from Oldmom Interruptus, so there's still a slim chance I may be able to contribute something productive, but no promises. For now you'll have to settle for shameless flattery.
Now please make a blanket statement that you're perfectly happy with your life and you would never un-alive yourself.
For people wondering about the cold water thing.
Decomposition creates heat... it's an exothermic reaction.
You can pile cut grass up before the winter. And after the ground freezes and there's snow on top it will steam.. reach in and its hot and the inside becomes ash like... methane....
There's actually now a worldwide phenomena with college aged males going missing and ending up in bodies of water with very little to no foul play detected.
Yeah it's called being drunk near water.
@@SleestakLightningYTnot all of them
@@Pistolita221 The vast majority of them
@@SleestakLightningYT you're right, why worry people when there's only a couple serial killers lmao
@@Pistolita221 but there isnt
As always, big props for starting off the video with a bit of history of the indigenous peoples who lived there. It’s info that very few of us were taught in school, but I firmly believe that knowing and understanding indigenous history will help us all to be better citizens :))
Thank you for your hard work and research in looking into these cases. Very thoughtful analysis as always. May they rest in peace. ❤
thanks for the bridge joke in the intro XD sincerely, a Yinzer who has to drive over a bridge for her work commute. In all seriousness Pittsburgh is a beautiful and (mostly) safe place. I highly encourage people to come and visit us.. You truly won't find warmer folks anywhere in the East. Sidenote, I briefly attended Duquesne's law school (before dropping out to pursue nursing) and lived not far from the school. Hits a bit close to home for me.
Pittsburgh pa is not safe at all look at dwntwn Pittsburgh ur delusional
@@danielgraf8957 no city is 100% safe. Anytime you have lots of people living very close together you're going to have crime. That's human nature, it's existed as long as we've been living communally and it will always be so.
It's no Chicago or Baltimore. 😂😂😂@@danielgraf8957
Pittsburgh is objectively a very safe little city. @@danielgraf8957
Video Chapters:
Intro/Sponsor: 0:01
Area History: 2:38
Dakota James Case: 8:31
Other Similar Cases: 38:03
Jimmy Slack Case: 39:21
Paul Kochu Case: 41:24
Thomas Hughes Case: 49:04
Brandon P Davis Case: 54:52
Final Thoughts: 56:50
thank you so much
Good work, buddy! 😁👍🏻
No life people make these kind of comments
I love the history you go through and learn new stories I’ve never heard.
As someone who lives about 30 outside of Pittsburgh, learning more about these cases just makes me even more aware of the dangers actually hiding in the city. East Carson Street and the area around it is extremely busy and bustling, but just because you’re surrounded by people or even friends, something bad can still happen. Stay safe 💕
Does Pittsburgh have IRIS cams 📹? Street cameras, DV? I know they have Shot Spotter.
Having a 24 hr window to file missing persons report is still a belief probably because of tv shows. Did a lot of damage over the years making people wait so long to get help.
First time seeing your channel and as a Pittsburgh resident I appreciate your research. 🙏🏻
I just moved to pa a few months ago and this place gets stranger and more interesting every day. I love it here
My parents moved to Pittsburgh suburbs after I was grown up so I didn't grow up there, however I visit fairly often. My sister went to Duquesne during the time Dakota went missing. I worked in downtown Pittsburgh for a couple weeks in both 2018 and 2019 pretty much living a hotel in the heart of downtown. One thing about Pittsburgh is its eerily quiet at night, even downtown. I remember when I was working there my husband visited and he got there kind of late, around 8pm so we went out for a later dinner. I remember us talking about how it was totally dead downtown and hard to find an open restaurant on a friday at 8pm. I also was on Duquesne campus a couple times, also eerily quiet at night. Southside bar area is lively, but a block or two away its dead. Also alot of forested areas in Pittsburgh unlike other major cities. Alot of the t stations are in wooded areas too, like in between two cliffs with trees, with no or little direct site to houses, its weird compared to other cities. My dad was freaking out the other night bc he saw a guy walk into the woods near my sisters apartment lol. It seems like its a city easy to hide in.
I'm from Pittsburgh. About 8 years ago I was drinking with friends as a 22 year old college guy would do on his spring break. We hit a couple bars and 941 Saloon was open past 2 AM so we went in. We were all straight. It was a cool bar nice DJ and we just had a few drinks and started getting waters. Around 3 AM I got really sick, and blacked out. My friends had no idea because I was pretty coherent but I couldn't remember everything for several minutes. I do remember going to the bathroom and vomiting, and a guy followed me and was trying to help and I said "dude I'm all right" and he said ill help you get home and I said "fuck off I'm fine" I believe I was drugged and I vomited just in time to get rid of most of the drug. What I can remember is the guy was tall skinny and had glasses. I dont remember facial features, his hair was kind of long on the top and shaved on the sides. I got back to my friends and didn't drink anything else the remainder of the night. I also didn't see that guy again.
If I were to send you a picture of someone I think it is would you remember their face?
Isnt alcohol cutoff 2am In PA? But yeah being drugged seems to be a common story among a lot of people here. I bet there's some merit to it. Glad you got home safe bro
@@ChristinaSoft I dont think. Maybe though. Highly doubt it.
@@Sykroid Yes most bars in Pittsburgh PA close up at 2 AM but this particular bar/club was notorious for being open later than 4. A lot of people would drink on the south side and find there way there and get obliterated drunk. I believe its closed permanently now.
@@USFighter Breaking Pa liquor laws is a good way to get closed down, to be fair lol
Minnesota has had these same type of stories around I-94.
A very interesting, well-researched, and well-delivered video. Looking forward to further developments. Thank you for the efforts
What I'm most interested in at this point, because I *am* convinced there's... something up with the police... Is the *why?* Why is there a pattern of police not only disregarding, but almost *helping* these (alleged) killer(s)?
I don't think incompetence is necessarily it. I don't know what it could be really.
Edit: Aiden, yes; a benzo or barbiturate being slipped is the most likely thing. GHB is also possible. It's the emotional swinging that makes me think so.
Definitely agree with you, for a why all I can come up with is that they're covering up the fact that they're incompetent and likely outsourced the cases to the fbi on the down low. I just can't see why they'd hide a serial killers presence from the public though surely safety outweighs the fear factor
agreed. WHY are the cops not taking this more seriously. and it's a much wider number of cases, all over the place, that are very similar. maybe they are (that's my hope anyway) - that there is an investigation - been kept quiet so not to tip off those responsible.
still my personal faith & hope in the cops was... destroyed.. in 2012
there HAVE been a number of killers in their ranks - (for example, Gerard Schaeferbut, Christopher Dorner, David Middlton etc etc) however again, this is a lot bigger than just these cases - examples all over the U.S.
(why the 'smiley face' killer/s theory has gained traction in many (I'm not one - open mind about it, neither support nor dismiss it)
A few reasons come to mind. One of their own is involved, one of their family members is involved, or it's the work of a crime group who has the means to pay them to be in their pocket. There are many cases of police doing corrupt things for these three reasons, so that's where my mind goes.
@@godwarrior3403 That is possible, but I find it more likely that there is a serial killer and they don't want to have to deal with that; so they are covering it up.
@@godwarrior3403 fair enough - all valid points. I have by no means disagree with you at all
my mind goes to they are really not taking this *seriously* - because it's young 'drunk' men - who _appear_ to 'accidentally' drown
they deal with them on a case by case level. they don't know (& to a certain point it's not their responsibility to know) of other cases outside their immediate area
I watched/listened to the case of Lauren McCluskey the other day - heartbreaking story of a young woman who raised concerns with university cops, and when they ignored her, city cops, about her ex (who ended up ENDING her, then himself)
"hours of material never seen or heard by the public - including surveillance video, 911 calls and police interview and dispatch recordings. Viewers get an intimate look into the last weeks of Lauren’s life as she pleaded for and sought help over and over"
the cops didn't take HER seriously, a young, white woman, afraid of a big, strong man (he was working as a bouncer when they met) - her parents sued of course - then almost the same thing happened to another young woman 2 years later.
so, as I said - (& maybe I'm contradicting what I said prior - I really don't KNOW, just speculating...)
(I have my own 'bad' (bad' ha - I have ptsd - from 2012 when someone assaulted me in my home, tried to END me - the way I was treated on that occasion, the months that followed, again in 2020... ) - as a 'white' 'woman' (not so young anymore, at least to others, in early 50s now, so early 40s then - outlined how I was treated to 2 men in early 2012 - (one former Marine, former MP - trained in interrogation, the other very experienced trial lawyer - their response, exactly the same "who do they know" - the person who assaulted me, tried to END me - "who do they know". I don't think it was this - that they 'knew' anyone - they just got to the cops FIRST - lied about what happened, and I had the _wrong_ person/people dealing with me - who, again, believed the person who assaulted me, tried to END me (oh I had injuries - ER thought I would lose sight in my eye, bruises, cops drove me BACK to the person I told them over & over again "I'm not drunk, I'm not lying, they tried to K1!! me" "we know" ...)
I haven't ruled out corruption in these young men, or each case - looked at separately - as the cops seem to be doing.
my mind goes to they are really not taking this *seriously* - because it's young 'drunk' men - who _appear_ to 'accidentally' drown
Very well done. I’ve just discovered your channel and I really like your ‘no drama’ approach to this story. I’ve subbed (with notifications on) and I’m looking forward to checking out your other presentations. Have a great weekend.
Born and raised in pgh, and still here…southside to be exact. I remember these men going missing. All of them are worth another investigation and they’re not the only ones. My husband’s childhood friend Tom was pulled from the river near Neville island last year. We’re not sure the COD as he has no family but it def was suspicious.
Incredible research, amazing factual in depth stories and love the history segment. Very impressed with the investigating skills that you have!
Another great video guys. I would just like to add that in my opinion, I find it very odd that those poor guys bodies seem to have been found in fairly good condition after going down that river and through those dams. I am also surprised that almost all of them were still clothed after going through them. Dams always have a ton of debris on the back side of them that should cause numerous injuries and snag clothing. They also have so much force that it's almost impossible to not have at least some of the clothing ripped off. I was once caught in a flash flood and my pants, socks, and boxers were all ripped off within seconds.
Bruh, Poseidon wanted to see what you were packing, boy! 😤😤😤
I’m in my early 30’s and live in Pittsburgh. I can confirm that myself and a lot of my friends kept this kind of stuff in mind when we were in our early 20’s and going out. It’s all very strange. The fact it’s happened within the last year and some change makes me feel even more uneasy. Coincidence or not, everyone from our area should be smart and cautious when out partying in the city.
As a girl I grew up being taught a deep paranoia of being out alone that, while based in real possible dangers, consumed me for much of my life. Luckily it has kept me safe so far. The sad part is that boys and men don't seem to be taught even a smidge of this danger, or at least not until very recently as more people become aware. It's so tragic, but so important to talk about just like people talk about for women, so thank you for covering all of this.
Isn’t it weird how both bodies were thought to have died the night they were out drinking by examiners, they had an elevated blood alcohol content, yet the bodies conditions seem as if they didn’t die the night they went missing. Very odd
really funny typo(?) at around 8:30- Pittsburgh being the second largest city in Philidelphia x-] much love!! so glad to see you covering this, i know it was a huge subject of debate a couple years ago
Thomas was a buddy of mine from highschool he was such an awesome guy, if I remember correctly he used to hang out with friends not far from where they found his van, but he was so chill i still can't believe what happened to him and wish we knew exactly what happened, I hope his family is doing okay.
thank you for talking about these people, as a local it’s scary to hear about this stuff
I've learned more history from your videos than in my actual history classes & way more accurate, so I appreciate it! Thank you 👍
I’ve worked downtown for the last 10 years. Those rivers have so many secrets, cars, and bodies. A lot of Pittsburghers believe his death was connected to the smiley face killer… but honestly a crime would be easy to hide in the city. Pittsburgh has worked really hard to brand itself as clean and safe. And don’t get me wrong it’s beautiful city and 9/10 I feel safe…. But the reality of what’s in the rivers is a reminder that we are never truly safe 😅
Spot on comment! I also work in the city and have for years. I almost always feel safe. Maybe not in certain areas. But! They absolutely try very hard to brand it as a “safe place to live” so I can easily believe they would try to hide something like this. Like you said, it’s not a bad place to live, but there are sickos everywhere. Pittsburgh is no exception lol
Please more Pittsburgh content!! its crazy to hear stories like this being from the city.
Really loving the history portions of this chanel, makes this channel unique.
The history segment in this video was very cool, and it has a connection to my hometown. Blue Jacket was one of the war chiefs in the Native American coalition that fought against the U.S. forces in the Northwest Indian War. Two of the major battles in that war were fought in my hometown in western Ohio.
Do you think maybe a lot of these men were gay or bi and perhaps through either promises of sex, outting to their parents(to the closeted ones) or perhaps this was someone befriending these young gay men who was much older that sold them party drugs or what have you. Since the gay scene was much more underground back then, this killer could easily use that to get away with these murders.
Drugs in the gay community is a massive problem so it wouldn't be surprising that one was a more circumstantial death, even given potential fights with fellow gay people at the bar.
And this is the 2010s, not 1955 lol. They weren't underground at all. LGBT'ers were as loud as they had been to that point
Yeah, this was the 2010s. Gays hadn't been "underground" for decades at that point, and only the first one was gay. The rest were all straight, which is the norm for these disappearances.
As someone who lives in pittsburgh, Im now horrified I never heard about this
Your content is Stellar! Well researched and presented. ✊🏽
And on the note of my previous comment.. PLEASE Do a video on The Finders. Would love to see your take on it. For being a two man team your research and presentation thereof is some of the best Ive ever seen. Big new fan.
I've been screaming from the rooftops since 2014 this was happening in Pittsburgh
Excellent presentation with pertinent questions
Awesome coverage thanks guys
The amount of people being dosed is staggering. In one bar in my local town I know of at least 3 people being dosed at one time via a pitcher of beer and one of those people being dosed at least 2 more times. She woke up the second time in a man's bed and the third time I got a phone as she wandered cold and lost on the city streets. She told us later the bartender and her boyfriend would dosed people with Xanax to be funny, if they were belligerent or wanted to sleep with them...
This was a cool video! Especially as a Pittsburgh local who fits the description of the other victims. I used to work in the SS and would bike home along the trail daily. I'm just really confused about why there was a history lesson to begin? Or how that relates. I liked it, I'm just very confused.
It's just strange to me (a river deckhand who worked Ohio) that they passed the locks and dams with no one seeing a body float passed
Fascinating! Can’t wait to hear more. Thanks for sharing!