Ramuh Extreme?! We've got this! A GOOD day in Mentor Roulette!
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- We return to Mentor Roulette as Warrior, doing 11 Mentor Roulettes in a single day with some challenges along the way!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:07 Duty 1: Ramuh Extreme
05:00 Duty 2: The Antitower
06:07 Duty 3: Bardam's Mettle
08:15 Duty 4: Hells' Lid
09:22 Duty 5: The Dead Ends
11:20 Duty 6: Kugane Castle
12:32 Duty 7: Eden's Verse: Furor
13:26 Duty 8: The Sirensong Sea
14:14 Duty 9: The Dead Ends
18:31 Duty 10: Lapis Manalis
19:05 Duty 11: Malikah's Well
19:39 Outro
20:51 Fun Fact - Ігри
The "did you know warrior can solo..." running gag should be getting old by now but I giggle _every. time._
Perfect! 😄😄😄
No really I am glad to hear that! 😁
Eagerly awaiting the day when they phrase gets used for a level 50 duty.
@@hoodiesticks Honestly apart from Duties before you get the skill that allows you to self heal from damage are pretty much the only duties warrior cannot solo, if the tank is a warrior the rest of the part is more or less redundant, that's part of the issue with them.
Wow. Two tank mentors. That Ramuh run was a lucky as hell. Thank goodness you didn't have a tank that ignored chat, pulled immediately every time, and then ran circles around the boss, constantly cleaving the party every few seconds.
NOT THAT I BRING THIS UP FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON. I'M ALSO NOT ANGRY IN THE SLIGHTEST.
😂 Yeah we were very lucky!
Go go go tanks are never fun, it just makes things way harder 😣
Or a co-tank that listened until add phase and decides that they need to kill adds instead of helping tank the boss T-T
Or a co tank who keeps standing on top of me (the MT) and keeps dying even though half the group keeps telling him not to lol
healers kept dying last time i got ramuh ex. I've been too scared to even attempt it ever since. I'll give any other fight a fair shot, but not ramuh ex.
11:16 Dancer from Dead Ends here ! :D
Of course the one time I meet you on a duty is the time I die by being smooth-brained.
Good thing Warrior can solo Dead Ends synced !
Hahaha don't worry about it! It happens to me sometimes too! 😂
I appreciate your positive and constructive attitude! I feel that too many mentors go into mentor roulette with a negative attitude already and that causes them to give up easily, but instead you always try to help people and assume the best! You're the kind of person that all mentors should strive to be!
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that! 😄
I suppose it might help that I am going in with no expectation of beating the fight! 😊
the horror in you voice at the realisation that you may be a healer main
It would certainly explain a lot of things! 😂
In all honesty I get the whole "you're more critical of jobs you take seriously/main" feeling. I'm more than willing to just let stuff ride if it works but if I see someone play machinist and never use Wildfire it gives me that kind of feeling, too.
Ooooh that's a good one yeah! A weirdly common one to be missed entirely by less experienced machinists too!
i'm the same way with bard. i get so disappointed when i see bards who don't esuna
That Ramuh reminded me of the first time i ever cleared that fight way back in ARR. It was through the DF in 2.4. I was tank and the other tank was super helpful and thoroughly explained all the mechanics for everyone. Also had macros for when mechanics were coming.
2 wipes and we cleared. Still one of my favourite xiv memories.
I will say, becoming a main to a certain job type will very quickly make you notice mistakes, being a tank main. I tend to ignore certain things like what mitigation is used when because that is like, ultra advanced stuff to keep track of that's really not necessary (Aside from BloodWhetting and Heart of Corundum Those should always be on cooldown), but generally, I can tell very quickly when someone isn't mitigating at all
I do notice this too! I simply also notice that if I'M the one healing, I just go "that's weird and mildly annoying and inconvenient" and just heal harder to compensate. Where as tank I'm over here like "why are you healing when you could attack?!" 😂
Yeeep, I play almost exclusively Tank, and I notice mistakes or oddities all the time when I'm not tanking... and I just can't help but judge because it's all so heavily ingrained in me.
As a whm main myself, I can say that it took me a LONG time to stop keeping regen up at all times on the tank. *Especially* after a couple month run back in ShB of near constantly having tanks (almost exclusively GNB and PLD for some reason) in Mt. Gulg not seem to know what a mitigator is. While the WAR and DRK tanks needed almost no heals fairly consistently. Why this was? Who knows.
Now-a-days though, I just forget to use lily heals because the roulettes throw me into so many low level dungeons that in the random high level ones my muscle memory forgets I even HAVE half my kit..
So in the defense of the defensive healers, I don't usually find it a problem when it happens save that it's not optimal and can slow a run down. There are definitely worst case scenarios where a healer blows their good abilities early when they should've saved them but that feels like an entirely different issue. I've heard alot of reasoning for why this happens though such as some players not knowing how other jobs abilities work, not grasping why overhealing isn't optimal, or just not trusting the tank to use their mitigations; I've definitely had a few too many dungeons where a tank tried to do no mitigation runs for inexplicable reasons. All to say it's hard to know what a person you get in a roulette is gonna do and while you are absolutely in the right about this it's also understandable that a healer might choose to come in being proactive and defensive just in case. I think that we'd both agree that even if that is the mindset you are coming in with it's appropriate to adjust and not adjusting is also a skill to work on. I love your content btw I just wanted to add a potential perspective of why a healer might have gotten into the habit of this.
Oh absolutely I agree, and that is also why it is important for me to think about the fact that, had these healers gotten a worse tank than me, then maybe that extra proactive safety might have been NEEDED, so we absolutely agree! 😁
And thank you so much, I do appreciate the perspective!
Thank you so much for the spoiler warnings! Trying to consume content for this game while also dancing around spoilers is stressful haha.
Yeah I can understand that! I try my best to highlight it with the very spoilery ones, but a lot of duties also feel like... If we just don't address what the dungeon is about it might not be too obvious, things like that! 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh definitely, I think most are fine w/o context. The only things I avoid completely are Trials / Raid boss designs. I just keep my eyes on the hotbar and listen to the video lol.
As a free trial white main I like to pop regen right before a pull just for safety since I almost always get a Dark Knight as the tank who doesnt really mit much on trash and at this point its just muscle memory
Really enjoy this series. Thank you! Was in The Burn and the Mentor left before the last boss with nothing more than an, "I am leaving now, good luck." ☠
What a random situation! 😅
I'm glad you enjoy it! Thank you! 😁
I will add a little more about Ramuh ex as someone who did that over 30 times already in mentor roulette. Damage of Thunderstorm is dictated by amount of orbs on the ground so range dps should try to grab any extra if tank doesn't need anything and there's no need for cancelling tether. Another very annoying thing about Ramuh that doesn't allow for too much carrying is that his seduce can be very mean because he will skip chaotic strike sometimes(high echo&ilvl does that) so two random players will just die after being stunned for like 30 seconds (surely, this won't happen to both healers hahahahaha, (I am very mentally stable)). I am not so sure about two tanks having to be knowledgeable about tank swaps, I saw some wild tank mentor players performing so called "asmongold tank swap" on poor sprout and that seemed to be working but I am guessing that tank would have to prepare that plan before
Sadly, I don't collect exact time for my mentor roulette but I mostly play between 17-22 on dps and extremes are around 13% of all duties
Asmongold tank swaps 😂
I have no idea what that entails, but if it just takes one tank to know I would imagine it involves shirk or something! 🤣
Thank you for the additions and insight! 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh it is known strat for shiva ex from asmon himself, all sprouts love to use it ua-cam.com/video/NgJFYDSQeZA/v-deo.html 😂
The asmongold tank swap is to let the current tank die so the other tank has the most enmity (a failure to provoke/shirk LOL)
I ran this as a sprout while under the mistaken assumption it was necessary for msq.
I was a tank and had no idea what I was doing. There were a couple patient mentors and I did my best, but dear lord we wiped so many times. It's amazing to me that nobody dropped.
We eventually won! I felt so guilty.
Couple of fun facts again
1) According to data I've collected (currently in the process of doing 80 mentor runs as each role and recording what duties I get) Tanks are much more likely to get Extreme Trials. After doing 80 runs as healer I got 2 Ex trials, meanwhile I've only done 50 Tank runs and have gotten 9 Ex trials.
2) It's actually possible to do Ramuh Ex with just one tank. It's difficult but it's possible to time your buff to fall of just after then tank buster, which will give you time to go grab 3 more orbs.
12:43, *Foot Ball!!!* I was looking away from the screen and assumed you were saying that as you activated a broken warrior mitigation.
Haha that could also work I guess 😂
Got Ramuh EX as my first "real" mentor roulette extreme on Sage a week ago. I say that because I got a Rathlos Ex much further back but that duty is very different than a normal EX.
I had never healed as Sage on a ex, let alone with the level 50 kit, but I did okay. We got past the adds two times before disbanding. Tank one really liked grabbing 6 orbs making healing impossible. Tank 2 did fine but could not propperly swap with 1. In roughly 30m we disbanded.
Ramuh Ex looks like a fight that is simple on paper, but could be a pain to actually put into action (having never done it myself)
It is certainly one where it feels like one small mistake can lead to a wipe!
Maybe it is different now because of job changes but it was optimal to solo tank ramuh extreme for farm parties because you can just keep grabbing orbs before the buff runs out since even when over capping, you still can survive the busters. Back then it was easy to heal through the healing debuffs because scholars lustrate used to be a %hp heal that was unaffected by the debuff. We may have even run double scholar for this reason but I don't remember
Last time I got ramuh ex in mentor the other tank was a gladiator. I told him to sit tight with the healers to make sure they were getting shocked out of charm and gave everyone the run down on the orbs. We cleared after about 40 minutes
Regarding your point about Warrior being overtuned in dungeon pulls: I feel that. I'm a Dark Knight main (both because of the aesthetic and because it's part of my WoL's character arc), and it always annoys me whenever some mentor in NN goes "oh Warrior is objectively much better, especially in dungeons".
Thankfully, I've found that healers don't grouse about my tank job whenever I queue into duties, at least not publicly. And things seem to go pretty smoothly most of the time - I've been able to pull off megapulls as a Dark Knight, in large part because the healer often knows how to heal me. (Maybe it's because I'm in Dynamis rather than Aether, since iirc Dynamis is a bit more laid-back as a whole, but still.)
Dark knight is a perfectly capable job, and you should never feel bad for choosing it!
I've managed to do max level dungeons hardly healing good dark knight tanks, but the key is that dark knight is like the astrologian of tanks: you need 4 buttons to do what some other tanks do with one! That's an exaggeration but I hope you know what I mean! 😊
Thank you! And yeah, that's very true - TBN being on a very short cooldown and not being a %-based mit means you're gonna want to be using it whenever it's available, while *also* managing a rotation of your %-based mits. It's a bit more to keep track of than other tanks' mit rotations, but you can get very robust if you can juggle them.
Healing is my weak point, so I tend to error on the side of a little to much healing vs not enough. That and I have brain fog ever since I had Covid so unless I am doing a dungeon/ raid fairly regularly it might as well never be more than my 2nd time in a dungeon that I haven’t seen in awhile so a lot of times I have to rely on reflexes. Now if I am queuing for something I can take a quick 1-2 min reminder of the mechanics while in que but not something I can do with random ques.
With the caveat that mine is done with summoner, here's some times of day (GMT/BST, I didn't store the actual days) where I got extremes:
12:40am, 11:30pm x2, 11pm x2, 10:15pm, 9:30pm x2, 8:20pm, 7:30pm, 6:50pm, 6pm, 3:30pm, 3pm.
Which I think is evenly distributed across 'when I'm likely to do the mentor roulette'.
Ramuh accounted for 3, Great Hunt 3 and the Navel 3, others I've only seen once. Seen some heavensward but no later except great hunt.
If you want to try to make use of my data (~200 runs across two people) I can send you it, but I haven't really been able to spot patterns myself.
Yeah based on that it does sound like it's... Randomly all day right? In that case it is probably not a time thing! 🤔😊 Thank you!
I'm a healer that maintains regen at least most of the time and its not for my peace of mind but the tanks. I've found a lot of tanks seem to get nervous if they see you're a pure healer and you dont put a regen on them so they pull smaller but when they have the regen it seems to be a sign of "my healers got my back" not all tanks are like that of course thats just been my experience so far. I have had tanks get mad at me for letting them drop below half, I experience a l o t of GNB's who will hit invuln at half then panic with 1hp as if they didn't just do that to themselves, and many other things that have lead me to be so defensive that I know I over heal, sometimes it seems the second I start to dps the tank forgets what mit is and tries dying. I do notice good tanks, I don't have to heal as much and I can dps since killing the mobs is mit.
On the other side of it I also tank a lot and I do see when healers panic seeing low health on me, I try to allow them the time to pop heals before I invuln and its gotten me killed many times but I want to trust my healers and if I die its not the end of the world. I also look at the healers body language, usually a healer that is right next to me during a pull will want a big pull where as a healer that hangs back isn't as confident and may struggle with large pulls. Most often it is sages that want the biggest pulls from what I've seen and when I see a confident healer I'll go straight for that pull and having gotten that perspective as a tank I now stay in front with the tank during the pull as a healer to show them I've got them. heck I've even had a sage tell me as a paladin not to heal myself which as a newer paladin made it a bit confusing but I listened to my healer and didn't use any healing only mit which worked out fine but I have been in some situations where I'm a second or third healer as a paladin which is funny.
Oh yeah I see this too.
As a tank, I sometimes feel like I need to be extra aggressive healing myself to show the healer things are fine. Similarly, tanks get unpredictable when they drop really low a lot. Doesn't apply to everyone of course, but I do see how it matches with maintaining regen on tanks that don't seem to need it! 😊
I think your “nitpicking” if we want to call it that Cae, is just born out of you being naturally familiar with the jobs and what they should be doing to maximize DPS and adjusting based on the situations. And I think it’s a healthy thing to talk about if you’re still getting the hang of something and you want to improve at it. I love playing Sage but I’m far from a Healer main so at times I get a bit more defensive than I should.
You might be right on that!
After all, you don't have to be even close to perfect to enjoy a job though, so hopefully my nitpicking doesn't ruin that for anyone! 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh And on that subject of you saying not all tanks are built the same, like with Warrior and Bloodwhetting, as someone that plays Paladin and Dark Knight, I do my best not to get complacent even on simple pulls. Especially in the Dead Ends my word they’re so tight
@VashimuXIV Indeed! 😁 But when played well, you can actually almost make the healer forget their tank isn't a warrior, seriously! 😄
7:30 This annoyance also works in the other direction. My FC Lead is a WHM and everytime she gets WAR as a Tank she is annoyed because now there is nothing to really heal (in a Dungeon) :D Also WAR wanting to optimize Vengeance DPS... in Dungeons.... WTF?
Haha, yes I know right on the vengeance thing 😂 it's a whole 55 potency per swing!!! 🤣
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I've played more War than every other job and I forget about that little bonus damage all the time. I find I'm biased against White Mages more for them being so inconsistent and can be bad in so many different ways.
I've seen Cure 1 spammers, ones who never learned to use OGCD heals, Holy/Glare spammers who never learned that past HW Holy won't carry you entirely in dungeon pulls, ones who panic use Bene way too quickly after barely healing at all (So many Living Deads ruined by Benediction making the pull that much harder by wasting both). It's just such an erratic job to try to work with since most people who want to heal will start White Mage and stick with it for a while, bringing their own mix of good and bad habits. Though good White Mages are amazing, regardless of which tank I'm playing.
i've never run mentor roulette as i'm not a mentor, BUT i sure used to be a sprout queuing up for ARR extremes. i distinctly remember queuing for Leviathan EX right after daily reset happened, just so i'd be more likely to get a pop. i even queued on paladin to give myself tank queue priority... a little embarrassing now knowing how the community here (eu/light) usually works in terms of extremes, but i had a lot of fun doing that fight back then regardless!
I've found the Ramuh adds are exactly within max melee range, so, while a bit scary, the big donut doesn't pose that much of a problem
17:00 Thanks for asking if the others are fine with soloing the Boss and mentioning it in the Video. I found out that not all Tanks are the same and WAR can solo stuff when I did Mt. Gulg for the first time, died (as Healer) to the Spinning Cube Boss, DPS dieing to lack of Healing and we had to watch the WAR Solo the Boss from like 60% or so.
But the Trial and Cutscenes after made me forget about my newfound hate for WAR
Yeah I definitely didn't feel entirely good about it even when they said it was fine! 😅
Might just be confirmation bias, but I feel I get EXes more often when queuing as DPS, likely due to the preconception new players have of healers and tanks being more rare so they'll queue for the role themselves. It's not uncommon that of all the healers and tanks, only 1 is a mentor and the rest are sprouts.
Hard to say. We would need a huge amount of data to know for certain if a specific role gets more extremes. It could depend on time of day or even day of the week as well!!
But what you suggest does sound reasonable! Similarly, sometimes you could imagine players would prefer to not have the tank or heal responsibility on their first clear, so it is hard to get an obvious conclusion! 😊
I'm currently running the Mentor roulette grind on the NA servers. Of my 850 runs so far, for Healer 3.3% of those have been Extreme Trials, for DPS the proportion goes up to 4.8% and when running Tank 8.2% of my runs were Extremes. Most of those are in NA evenings. I landed on Ramuh Extreme once as DPS and it was clear that one or both of the tanks were new and/or struggling. When one tank dropped I dropped myself and requeued mentor as tank to see if I'd get the same group. I did! Unfortunately you need both tanks to know what's going on and we didn't clear in the end
That trick of dropping to requeue as tank is awesome! Shame it didn't work out though!
Thank you for sharing your data! 😊
I dont remember when it was, or what dungeon it was
But i was playing tank on my main, and the whm, would only use regen....on everyone, wouldnt attack because after the regen gets put on the last one, the first ones had 2 seconds remaining and would reapply it
Im on console, i dont have a keyboard, i literally stopped attacking to say "you do not need to constantly apply regen on people not taking dmg"
One thing i see on other players playing astro
8x+
They will use horoscope
And thats it, they wont buff it with helios or aspected
And it usually goes out, before an aoe goes off. I even did a savage and asked them why they dont buff horoscope with helios, and they said "the guide tells us to never use our gcd heals"
For the regen part, that one is weird and I do see it too. Sometimes when its only 4 man groups, they will use the extra time after applying Regen to everyone to apply Medica 2 afterwards, and it is quite weird and wasteful!
For the Horoscope thing, I am not sure why they do that if the healing just goes to waste, but sometimes just horoscope on its own can be nice for a small oGCD AoE heal, but thats of course situational, and it does not sound like that was the logic in the case you described!
I would like to bring up that Lapis Manalis is soloable on Warrior as well. The Crystal phase on Cagnazzo is a "little bit tight", but it is doable. Wouldn't recommend it though.
Just a little bit tight haha!
The Astrologian in Lapis Manalis might've been a controller player, I've heard the cards can be a real pain to work with on controller.
My favorite thing about being a healer, is getting to do damage. On WHM, I mostly only do my HoT and OGCD heal.
for ramuh extreme every orb laying around is a damage up for the boss. also as I learned if you have a very competent healer, are good with your mitigations, and you are synced and not MINE you can survive solo tanking even picking up 3 too many orbs (which is the maximum debuff, its a heal debuff but at least makes you immune to the tank buster one shot as you mentioned).
I learned this when I had to do the duty with a not so competent cotank. we made it through after 30 minutes after I started just picking up every excess orb because dps were not helping with orb management. I noticed in the footage the other tank also doing this.
Indeed, I did not know the orbs on the floor boosted his damage. But now I know, and that will be exceptionally helpful to know looking forward! 😊
I'm not insinuating you were playing poorly to be clear. To explain. My cotank refused to touch orbs no matter who explained it to them, nor would they ever tank swap. So I needed to take excess orbs to stay alive. Separately I noticed dps not helping with cleaning up orbs. I decided in frustration to kill two birds with one stone and just pick up every orb on the map until there were 6 or less while main tanking and this actually got us the clear.
@stonium69 oh I didn't feel like you were commenting on my play. In fact, I simply understood my Co tank was playing better than I initially thought!
I specifically avoided grabbing extra orbs because I didn't truly learn static condensation still protected from shock strike until I reviewed the footage later. So I thought I couldn't!
And I also wasn't sure how many extra orbs we had to work with! 😊
Impressive backup solution on your end by the way!
as a healer i WILL keep regen on you all the time, and nothing you can say will change my mind 😈
Fair enough, it's just one attack every 18 seconds or so! 😁
Ramuh extreme jump scare!
Part of a healthy breakfast!
I agree with the warrior sentiment. Warrior is on such a different league from other tanks in terms of sustain. When I play it or am playing a healer with warrior I def tend to turn off my brain quite a bit because I know that it'll probably be fine to not work so hard as long as raw intuition/bloodwhetting is used well. Coming DT I won't be surprised if it gets a nerf and I do welcome it cause I do admit it's probably a bit too strong. Though I admit I'll def miss tank easy mode just a little bit if that's the case lol.
Interesting to hear the talk about noticing that other Healers are doing things "wrong" as it really feels like that's the sort of thing that sends a lot of people off the deep end when it comes to DF groups. While you certainly approach it with an even keel and acknowledge that it's your viewpoint as someone who has a lot of knowledge and who has done most of this content many (many, many) times (and still try to be kind and help when you can), there are a lot of players who seem to lack that sense of perspective. Instead they just write off everyone else as being "terrible at the game" simply because the other players don't know the job and/or role and/or content as well as they do.. when in reality in the vast majority of the content in the game things just go perfectly fine outside of maybe making that 12 minute dungeon run into a 15 minute dungeon run.
Yes indeed! 😅 I've heard a lot of tanks that complain when the healer heals them at all! Of course mainly warriors. And it is quite funny when, as you said, it is probably ultimately only costing a few minutes at most, where a wipe could end up costing more!
If you go as tank or healer - you mostly get dungeons, from my experience. I get the most extremes with DPS during evenings, biggest streak was six in a row (NO I DONT NEED HELP).
Six in a row?! Yikes 😭
hi youtuber, you see me around often im Vivian Viscorgi, I actually do extremes with my friends every now and then but its def in the "post dinner" european times , so a while after reset. The other night I decided to test my friend who was very confident in herself and I qued Minstrels Ballad Nidhog at 10 pm and I somehow managed to vacuum 5 mentors and a sprout in a 5 minute que. So if you're sniping these , maybe try that time slot if you're available. When I was a free trial though queing for these was usually only possible within this time slot, never before reset though, absolutely a bit after because you're likely to catch mentors of whom half are willing and just insta leave.
Hello! 😊
I don't exactly try to snipe anything, but that is an interesting suggestion!
I don’t get extremes in mentor roulette; I genuinely haven’t seen one in two years.
… I play on Materia.
another successful day helping out the masses good work cae.
also as a slightly defensive white mage myself who will cast renew on pull and refresh it on trash once the tank stops before holy spam i prefer finding out what kind of tank im getting before i potentially reduce any healing output espeially on the likes of dark knights or tanks that sit on their cd's.
Thank you!
And yes indeed, that's also a logical approach. Being a bit more defensive and careful until you know what you're dealing with is absolutely a great idea! 😊
in my experience, DPS in need for mentor roulette is basically a guaranteed EX
the good ol "warrior can solo anything" and "warrior is the best tank".
Pretty good, but you only master warrior once you get to "warrior is actually a healer" stage. Keeping sprouts alive instead of soloing bosses is my personal hobby.
I'm only missing a rescue... or maybe something a bit more fitting for a tank, something like a "shove away" ability and I'll be happy
Well in my defense, not even warrior can prevent one shots on others! 😂
I like to replace the healer when necessary too!
I like the idea of a shove ability. Could save an immobilized teammate or one about to get hit by an aoe buster. But then I also see the potential for griefing lol
Do you mind if I put links to your page on my videos for job guides and such? I can't do all the technical stuff like you do, my brain just will not retain the information. No matter how many times I watch your guides, I cant remember the rotations. I literally paused your video at one point and set my buttons up in the orders and still screw it up. I've gotten to the point I'm trying to be relaxed while playing stressing rotation at one point really stressed me and I almost quit cause I just couldn't remember the "needed" rotation. Yes I get comments during dungeons but very rarely, I guess most jobs I can fudge well enough to skate by. I do have my moments of inspecting the floor more often than I'd like but there's a to of dungeons to remember. Thank you for all the content and information its super valuable. I like how you're doing stream highlights, I may start doing that too, along with the dungeon runs.
You are welcome to refer and link to my guides sure 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh thank you, I love your content, just wish the numbers would stick in my head. Felt bad for the 90 party last night haven’t been on hard in a while, I ended up being the floor dps
As a warrior main I disagree with blodwhetting needing to get nerfed.
Bias aside my go to healer is sage so I’ll talk about healing tanks at 90 from that perspective.
Warrior: it’s know as the blue healer for a reason. The skill to survive without a healer is lower than any other tank. Hit bloodwhetting on cooldown and keep up a defensive and you’ll be fine. This means very little work for a healer most of the time.
Paladin: really good passive healing on confiteor combo and Holy Spirit. Not to mention divine veil and holy sheltron. Generally their hp doesn’t fall too much. Again very little healing needed.
Gunbreaker: aurora and heart of corundum are very powerful heals. A good gunbreaker can keep these cycled well enough where they won’t need much healing either. This is the first tank that can go either way on the amount of healing it needs. It can either need very little or a lot depending on the player.
Dark knight: the tank with the least self healing. Basically just living dead. However that doesn’t mean they need a ton of healing either. The other day I had a dark knight that needed almost no healing. Their hp just didn’t drop enough to warrant any healing.
TLDR it depends more on the player behind the screen than the tank they are playing. I have seen terrible warriors and amazing dark knights
Fair counter point. Personally I just find that warrior being completely immortal on aoe during bloodwhetting is too good. As in, I would've buffed it's single target healing, but nerf how it scales with multiple targets. If the single target potential is buffed, then warrior would (probably) still have the most self healing, which I think is sort of the point of warrior: a berserker that takes the hit on the chin and recovers.
I think an equally good way to go about it is to at least give the other tanks an equal fighting chance by giving them their sustain options you refer to, at least in some capacity, by level 56 where warrior gets raw intuition initially! 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh gnb gets aurora at 45. Not as good as bloodwhetting but it’s still the earliest self healing that isn’t on the 123 combo. And living dead is at 50, which while I don’t consider when comparing self healing due to its long cooldown is still earlier than bloodwhetting. If any of the tanks need earlier self healing it’s pld. Pld below 82 has none (clemency doesn’t count and is an insult to healers if used while the healer is alive).
On the other hand this shows you just how overpowered raw intuition is. People forget you get aurora at 45 but no one forgets raw intuition is unlocked at 56
@Someone_3lse oh I am aware! In fact, the combination of aurora and the level 52 upgrade to brutal shell enables gunbreaker to solo dusk vigil synced! 😁
But you are right it is much more talked about with raw intuition!
as an AST main I dont mind healers keeping 100% uptime on regen on the tank during pulls as long as they are DPSing. Mostly because as astro on levelig dungeons before 80 you do kinda need to keep 100% uptime on aspected benefic if you don't want the tank to drop dead lmao
I feel I got a lot more EX in mentor roulette around this time last expansion and I get a lot more dungeons now because of new Xbox players
I had the same Sage main moment as you when I caught myself wondering (out loud too) why they are not doing 45 seconds of 10% mitigation combo during trash pull when I'm tanking in dungeons, so I really feel the realization moment you have in the video lmao. Usually tanks who see big mitigation plan from healers seem to be encouraged to pull more too.
Anyway as someone who just cleared mentor qualifications (1500 comms for new-ish player w/
To your question, you might as well. Personally I hear higher than arr extremes are very rare, and if one comes up, the best you can do is try your best anyway! It is not expected for mentors to know everything after all! 😊
The only mentor roulette I ever ran was Leviathan extreme with a group of other mentors. I'd never run it unsynched. I never did another mentor roulette either lol
Oh wow that is a rough start! I had a sephirot ex quite early for myself that scared me a bit too! 😅
'especially dark knights, for some reason' like them not having their spammable mit until lvl 70, for example.
Indeed, but even past 70 it isn't uncommon to see drks that for one reason or another use it sparingly / not at all, making things worse!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh you raise someone on blood, sooner or later its all they have a taste for. just look at white mages.
that conversation with advice for the healer during hells lid is exactly what i do when i go into a new duty as healer (which i main). i tend to overheal a bit and save my aetherflow stacks JUST in case...which people tell me not to do and i get why.
however, ive never been here before, i dont do that sort of thing in dungeons i know, i dont know whats coming up in this dungeon. we can take the slight DPS loss instead of wiping which would take us longer overall to get through.
as i get comfortable doing a new dungeon i will get better at healing when not needed and spending my aetherflow more often, but right now as a first timer? or even 5th timer? let me learn the dungeon first.
just did The Aery for the first time the other day, the tank asked me pull size since i was watching the cutscene, i said everything. i know i 100% overhealed, but i dont know how hard the enemies will hit. dungeon went great with no wipes and i got 2 comms. the more i do the dungeon the more i know what i can get away with and cant.
That is a great approach for a safe first run through! 😁
lol, just noticed you are doing mentors too. Only just started watching your mythbusting and mistake video's.
A topic for the mythbusting, though I don't know how you could test it with you mostly likely being max lvl in everything. But the thing I'm trying to wrap my head around. Do you get more xp doing content at your lvl, or unsynced. The classic of getting into a lvl 16 dungeon when your like 50. Sure they give you bonus xp to make up for it, but is it enough? Like is queing for dungeons at your lvl, to grab folks from the roulette better then queing into the roulette yourself when your role is not wanted.
I feel like it is but I need to clean a chatbox feed to see it later.
From what I know, both from previous leveling, and also leveling my alt on stream on Saturdays, doing content closer to your level is more effective. This is of course in the context of roulettes. This is because leveling roulette gives a boost to compensate, but all the exp from boss kills in the dungeon benefits from various exp bonuses you may have that leveling roulette does not.
To name one, the pre-order bonus earring gives you 30% more exp from kills, but does not affect your roulette exp gains themselves! I hope this helps! 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh thanks. Yeah that helps. It's interesting to know that some xp bonus don't apply to everything.
Another fun note. I have noticed that queing for specific dungeons helps lower my que times with dps. The thought process being that in roulette, your fighting with many others for your place. But if you're in your own que, the game is going to put the tank and healer from roulette to you. Thinking you're going through the msq.
The difference between warrior and the other tanks in dungeons feels way to high. Gnb has been my primary tank since introduction. I started playing warrior more in the last few months and there is a difference in what i can get away with that i would not feel comfortable doing as a GNB. I had a healer dc during the second boss of Troia. The dps said they were trying to log back in. But we went ahead and did the normal trash packs with out them. no issues what so ever, never came close to death. The healer got back in to the game right as we got to the last boss.
Even when healing dungeons, if the tank is a warrior then i am just an Art of war bot. While if i have a drk (which is honestly rarely these days ) I have to remember how to manage their HP.
as WHM i have to heal full health tanks to get my bloodlily and sometimes feel useless when every tank heals themself
i usually do my mentor roulette on dps and i get tons of ex trials. i play after 6 my time (germany) on weekdays and on weekends usually after lunch. when i play healer, i usually get dungeons and not as many ex trials. there's been a surge of free trial players queueing for ex content lately, too, so that's probably why i see so much of it. a lot of these sprouts are tanks or healers recently 🤔
Thank you for the insight! 😁
On the topic of warriors- as a healer I don't like them because I like feeling like I. Have a role to play lol. The other tanks will do that but a warrior feels like a cop out of my job.
Yeah I can see the problem there! 😅
I actually get a little bummed when I have a warrior tank in 4 mans because it basically just means I’m sub-par dps with three buttons to press. This badly needs to be nerfed in Dawntrail IMO. I like most players am in these doing dailies more than I’m in hard content.
Well, Cae, you now openly said, what you told me some time ago when I told you my opinion on Warrior: that Bloodwhetting makes it way too good compared to others and that it should be dialed back a little. Paladin's self sustain is pretty good right now, but it is not too much. Gunbreaker's Aurora cannot sustain the tank all by itself, but it is still better than Dark Knight, that only has Souleater and Abyssal Drain, which is only used once per minute and only on mobpacks.
Indeed, warrior could use a bit of a dial back, and then even with that, the other tanks would probably still be able to get a small buff on their self sustain without overtaking warrior!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh As for when I end up on Extremes on Mentor roulette, I haven't really seen a pattern. To me it just seems totally random. But what I can say is that to me it is most often the Striking Tree. I have been wondering, why that comes so often. Is it because unlocking it is easier? After all, the Hard version of Striking Tree is mandatory for MSQ, unlike Ifrit, Garuda or Titan Hard, those are all optional (Titan Hard becomes mandatory in post-Heavensward though). They are unlocked from the same place though.
@vespi57 ifrit, titan and Garuda hard are also required for the msq. It is simply that titan hard is required twice for some reason 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh yeah, now I remember. It's the same way like with the ARR Alliance raids.
I in fact did know that War could solo Dead Ends... did it myself, carried on every single boss in one run with all new/bad/returning players lol
Fair enough haha! 😂
I think I encounter the most extream at the rushhour times close to rest adn when most are back home from work and at nigttimes I NEVER get it but allmost 50% of it is Msq rouelt
I find this silly that two people I'm following videos for are working Mentor Roulette stuff now -- Cider Spider (the youtuber behind "Mad Because Small") released in the last day or two a vid about doing some for his "get all achievements" set of vids, having done his first 10 mentor roulettes.
Quite a few seem to be. It is an interesting way to get some variety to have fun with and talk about I think! 😊
Mentor vids are the best
I'm glad to hear that! 😄
Hope yer doing well Caetsu
I am, thank you! I hope you are well too! 😄
as broken as WAR can be I dont like the idea of changing bloodwhetting or the amount of healing the class is able to output as I feel that class is created for solo players in mind and in that case its the perfect class for em
With a game like final fantasy, where even the job that has a button intended for soloing (blue mage and basic instincts) bot being rewarded for soloing content, I find it hard to believe any normal job is built with soloing in mind 😊 besides, you could make bloodwhetting more balanced by making it heal more on single target, and scale worse with more targets, ultimately, it is this insane multi target scaling that makes it broken, and let's not forget that bloodwhetting is still insanely good on single target for soloing! 😊
7:48 I'm guilty for having thought this (never say anything ofc). Doesn't matter what tank I'm playing, I'm always a little disappointed when I get a white mage.
I think it'd be nice if the other tanks were buffed as well as WAR being debuffed. The first-target-heals-for-more idea is a good one. I think the same should be true for abyssal drain (which should have a MUCH shorter cool down btw) and the PLD holy spirit heals. Maybe for GNB it could get brutal shell shields on its AOE combo or they could buff aurora 🤔
To add to this, it would also be fine in my opinion if drk carve and spit also healed if it is supposed to be the single target version! 😊
19:15 unless the tank has given me reason to trust them, MW is one of the dungeons that I will absolutely baby them and overheal lol
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh dang, that makes a lot of sense. It's kind of a surprise they didn't do that when they made them share a recast timer 🤔
7:05 "problem" with that ... there are enough warriors out there that refuse to use any skills ... they already play with a hard nerf on the selfheal ..xD
7:38 for me it was the opposite most of the times ... warriors are always lame for the healer ... at the same time i mostly run my normal rotation "just to do it" even with warrriors so in the end never was a big deal for me xD i just hated paladins in the beginning ... still dont really know if i was just unlucky .. most likely ... but most paladins i got before lvl 70 or something i had the feeling my tank was made of paper or something ... still wonder sometimes if they all used never any cooldowns or the armor was half broken or something ..xD
11:47 well most of the time i hold regen active too ... harder to forget it later that way .. but well most of the time says it all there are times you just dont need it and can just keep your dps up .. at the same time its in most cases my only pure healspell i use so i dont really have the feeling you are talking to my kind of usage .. ;D
14:35 uh how i would love to see that more ... a group full of first timers ... im not a mentor ... and i dont even know if i want to be one once i can .. its just so much for fun to play a dungeon with first timer when not everything is always the same and there is from time to time something bad happening ... wiping can be so much fun :D im a bit of a masochist sometimes xD
15:46 cant remember it really well ... played that dungeon a lot over 1 year ago .. but cant really remember any groups that stayed together ... at the same time i cant really remember that was ever a problem ... for me personal it feels more save to stay far enough away from each other .. but in the end it will work fine both ways ... atleast if everybody know the mechanics xD
16:40 i though the tip will be like "stay away from the tank" xD his tank buster (atleast i believe it was one?) thats like his whole front is pretty good in getting healers and dps as a bonus ..xDD
Well to your last tip I can at least say that it is generally sound advice to stay away from wherever the tank is unless you know it is safe! 😂
@@CaetsuChaijiCh thats true yeah xD but most normal dungeons arent that deadly unless you stand right next to the tank .. not just the same direction for the boss ... ;D
I don't do mentor roulette, but l tried to pop nidhogg extreme, and it never succeeded.
Yeah, that one sounds pretty tough with a random group synced! 😅
appreciate the spoiler warnings mate, great videos
I'm glad to hear that! Thank you! 😁
Did you know war can solo Pandemonium synced?
Square watching this video like, "Okay message received, for Dawntrail we're going to remove all healers' attacks and just cut Warrior from the game entirely"
😂 Now that would be quite something to see!
When I get comfy with learning sony vegasI want to make a video titled something like "FFXIV Terminology for Dummies" to teach newer players terms like GCD, OGCD, Voke, Tank Swap, etc while also going over the jobs and how they appear to a newer player such as accessibility, niches, and place in a party. I know these are definitely things that have been done before but I would like to see if my degree in yapping can hold up in youtube content
Go for it 😅 I genuinely have multiple videos covering each of those terms you listed! Part of the problem is somehow having your video reach the people that need to hear it.
To specify, I made a video on the gcd and ogcd, and hardly anyone saw it.
I made a video about an assortment of 10 mechanics, and simply frontloaded the video with the entire gcd ogcd story, and it got a lot more attention!
The problem is simply that many of the players that would benefit from hearing these things don't actually know that! 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh one of my favorite memories as a mentor was getting tam tara normal with a group of 3 sprouts who all seemed to be partied up or know each other. I start the dungeon by saying hello and one of them notices that I have level 90 sage and they were like "What's a level 90 doing in a dungeon at this level?" And I had to explain to them what a mentor is and what they (should) do which is queuing with newer players such as themselves to help teach them the game. It was here where I told them I actually have all jobs at 90 and they were flabbergasted which was cute. The tank does small pulls at first and I notice they're struggling a bit to stay alive and the dps (I believe they were a thaumaturge and lancer) were being spooked a lot by aoes so I taught them the gospel of going for the knees with leg sweep which led to a conversation of GCDs and OGCDs and explaining those terms to them which they actually seemed to understand perfectly. Haven't seen them since but I hope they're doing alright and haven't gotten any smelly mentors who don't actually teach.
I find that EX trials most commonly show up in the early morning and on sundays.
Hmm I see! Sunday extreme sounds scary in particular! 😂
"being a lot more critical about things they're doing 'wrong'"
I've noticed that lately I've gotten really toxic towards white mages who don't dps. Specifically white mages more than others for some reason. Like if I go into a dungeon and don't see any holy/glare and only see cure spells being cast, I'll just leave. With Dawntrail being tomorrow, I'm gonna be trying to break that bad habit, lol. But ya, it just baffles me how you get to level 90 and still not cast ANY dps spells in a dungeon.
Man, as a WAR main I hope they don't nerf bloodweating.
I know it's OP in aoe, but I much prefer they give other tanks powerfull aoe tools instead.
Tho considering that aparently we are getting an upgrade for vengance, maybe the nerf it's comming
Hmm that could be. I also think the better solution is buffing the other tanks a bit to match, but it just feels like bloodwhetting is maybe a bit TOO strong to be matched. Like, I am pretty sure it could be nerfed substantially and change very little for the job on aoe 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Well, seeing how BW it's a level 82 ability and warriors can solo level 80 or less dungeons synced, you are probably rigth 😂.
But yeah, maybe other tanks could have more powerfull aoes, or with additional effects like stun, slow, blind or even a defensive buff they get for succesfully keeping uptime in mob packs.
Idk, the "too angry to die" thing has become part of WAR identity (at least for me) and memes aside, I love when I can save a run in dungeons or even normal raids using the heals and mitigation strategically.