One that needs attention, the Black Prince, a BR 9F, has just gone out of service on the North Norfolk railway, the poppy line. Her steam pipe is leaking and apparently its not cost effective to repair it.
I think that's because her boiler ticket's almost up. There's no point repairing something like the steam pipe if she's only going to be in service for another few months before going out of service again anyway. Better to withdraw her now and do the full overhaul all in one go.
One of the reasons for 9017 going to the Vale of Rheidol is, although the line is narrow gauge, the museum is in the old Standard gauge shed, 9017s old shed!
They aren't really, '38 is just the official year. The GW needed a bunch of secondary line locomotives and decided to economise by building the 'Dukedogs', basically sliding later pattern (and stonger) Bulldog frames under the Duke boilers and motion in place of the worn out originals. Both donor classes are related late Victorian/early Edwardian inside cylinder 4-4-0s, both had 5'8" drivers, but the 'straight frames' on dukes are stronger, partly because they were built later but also because they were heavier and had bigger boilers. So the frames are originally from 3425,, built in 1906, and the main Duke donor seems to have been 3253 of 1899. That said (without checking) the boiler was probably newer than 1899 and may also have been fitted to more than one locomotive previously - the GWR practiced Compeone6g Exchange Overhaul long before it got fashionable.
Charles Collett "troll ability" the very posh GWR board wanted a new beautiful steam engine class, as a way to have some laughts and fun, he put together the Dukes and Bulldogs parts and give them their new class.
Earl of Berkeley (pronounced Bark-lee) is really at home at the old Aberystwyth shed site that the Vale of Rheidol Railway is occupying. Her and her sister locos worked the Cambrian lines until they were got rid of by BR.
Apparently 2-10-0s aren't allowed on the mainline rail network because of their flangeless middle driving wheels. Which seems counterintuitive as having a flanged central driving wheel would seem to more likely lead to derailment? Perhaps I am wrong but it seems a pity, no 9Fs on the mainline etc
Some engines on the list will get an overhaul eventually, like Sir Berkeley and the Flying Pig. The first one, Aerolite, isn't a good candidate in my opinion, being that small, having one drive axle and thus a very low tractive effort makes her unsuitable for more than 2 or 3 carriages, which on almost every preserved line is insufficient. She was ever only intended to pull one carriage, the inspector's saloon. 5 of the locomotives I would certainly want to see restored in operational status are: the SE&CR D class 4-4-0 no 737 in the NRM, it's one of the most beautiful Victorian age locomotives. Beattie well tank no 30587, LNWR Improved Precedent class no 790 Hardwicke, LSWR 415 class Adams Radial no 488 and LNER V2 class Green Arrow. But for many classes it will never happen as they are too old, fragile and as one offs, too valuable to restore and lose a lot of the original substance as a matter of things.
If I were to revive 5 scrapped engines from Britain 1 - Ffestiniog Railway Large England ‘Little Giant’ 2 - Welsh highland railway Single Fairlie “Moel Tryfan” 3 - LB&SCR A1 No.53 ‘Ashtead’ 4 - LB&SCR E2x No.105 (im an E2 fan, sue me) 5 - LNER A1/A3 No.4471 ‘Sir Frederick Banbury’
+1 for Moel Tryfan, I was thinking of Snowdon ranger. Single fairlies are so underrated! (Edited to add) Sir Theodore, or really any of the Glyn Valley Tramway's distinctive locos.
I'd wanna dig the hush hush up and workout where tf did gresley go wrong with it's design and the high pressure steamers to see we can work out the kinks
Great video Darkness! Thoroughly enjoyed. Would love to see all these locomotives mended! Also must applaud the British for the absolutely beautiful paint jobs they give their locomotives.
There are SO many British Engines I’d restore. But I have to say my number one would be Green Arrow. the LNER V2s are some of my favorite engines of all time (along with the LMS Stanier Mogul) and it’s nothing short of a crime they stuffed the last one in a museum. 34051 Winston Churchill would be a close second, but I understand they want to keep most of that engine original since it did pull Winston Churchill’s funeral train.
Apparently there's rumours that there's a plan to overhaul Green Arrow. The only issue that's keeping them from overhauling GA is that monobloc cylinder block. The RM has said the cylinder block is "too significantly important" to fix it.
@@justanotherpersononyoutube7130 at this point I think I'd rather see a replica V2 and keep the monoblock rather than change the original. All preserved engines eventually reach the where the original metal wears out, and I'd rather green arrow was preserved for what it is, and get a 3 cylinder fix another way. From memory, inthink knkh the wheel centres on 4472 are original, even the frames were changed in the 30's. But it's not my money of course.
@@jonathanj8303Well, there's a V4 on the starting blocks .... and I'd not bet against A1SLT doing it again. Great little loco for the West Highland line and others where V2s are too heavy to tread.
Fun fact: Churchill’s widow wanted the engine that pulled her husband’s funeral train cut up as soon as it finished hauling the train, so what did they do? Shove it behind a shed and wait until it could be run again
They want her running as far as I can remember, but you either throw away her history or run illegally, the tender frames are fucked, due to the collision in the film
I hope you could find one, in my country -Argentina- the authorities were happy sendind to scrap everything they could and sadly almost survived except a very few examples 😢
With respect, Mr Ivatt's Mogul isn't even slightly endangered. RIP is rather more.... terminal and therefore more applicable to S15 30841 and Crab 42859, both of which need a full-on miracle to return to even the land of static display.
The North Eastern Railway, as the successor to the first steam railway, the Stockton and Darlington Railway, started the railway preservation in the UK. The LNER's museum was on the NER collection.
[Nerd mode ON] Actually, I think the earliest you could say was delivered 'preserved' is the Padarn Railway's "Fire Queen", hidden from those who'd do it harm and currently to be found on display at the VoR's Aberystwyth museum. Not seeking to detract one jot from the NER's uniquely enlightened approach, for which we can all be grateful.
@@TheHoveHeretic Locomotion No.1 aka Active was preserved in 1857 whilst Fire Queen (delivered 1848) and her sister Jenny Lind were still hard at work in Wales. Whilst Jenny Lind was scrapped in 1886, Fire Queen was put I to a shed at the quarry they worked ay until 1969.
@@neiloflongbeck5705OK ... you got me on S&D No.1, but the Horrocks locos were withdrawn in the 1880s LONG before the 4ft gauge line closed down ... in 1961. Pity none of the later Padarn mainline locos survived, but as the only functioning 4ft gauge line I can think of is that Glasgow Subway, somewhere to run it might be an issue!
"William Francis". The ONLY surviving Garratt built for UK service, Bressingam's oddly cute 0-4-0+0-4-0 has 3'-4" dia drivers, making it ideal for the 25mph limit on heritage lines. It weighs in about the same as the 2ft gauge ex-SAR NG16s found on the Welsh Highland. Let's see the NYMR's notorious dining set give that one any grief!! On rhe NG, shout out for "Earl of Merioneth", the first newbuild - bigger than 15in gauge - in the preservation era. Likely to need new power bogies (it's a Double Fairlie), this machine is marks a major part of the Ffesterbahn's history.
My local heritage railway is the Severn Valley so I'm pretty familiar with both the Flying Pig and Gordon! I went to the Winter Gala in January and managed to travel on her final train up to Bridgnorth (and had actually travelled behind her several times during the last couple of years). She certainly performed well and is a lovely locomotive, if a little strange looking thanks to the high running boards! I have a soft spot for Gordon because she's a Longmoor loco, and the village of Liss, where the railway connected to the mainline between London and Portsmouth, was where my mother grew up. There are a few unique survivors at the SVR: obviously there's 43106, but the railway's also home to the only Stanier 5MT mogul in preservation, no. 12368 (also numbered (4)2968), which returned to traffic at the same time as 43106 was making her final runs, the only surviving GWR 15xx 0-6-0PT: no. 1501, and GWR no. 813, a 'Swindonised' ex-Port Talbot Railway locomotive. They're also building a new-build BR Standard Class 3 2-6-2T locomotive.
1501 my beloved, 1501 and gordon need restoring as soon as possible, me and a friend were discussing recently if we were the only two people left on earth then it wouldn’t be long before 1501 and 600 returned to steam, and probs wouldn’t be long until 601, 400, 401, 700, 428, (all other LMR engines) return too
Well Darkness there's an Freightliner Class 70 that was damaged on its arrival in the UK and sent back to GE in America which is now been used as a test in Erie it's on another You Tubers channel. If you want to check it out.
Like many Preservation locos, 43106 is privately owned by a society as opposed to the Severn Valley where she's based. Their owners will discuss her future in due course but the SVR have a number of other projects at various stages of completion, alongside West Country class Taw Valley, whose own boiler ticket recently expired but is an SVR owned locomotive. These include nearly completed overhauls of a GWR small Prairie loco, Bradley Manor, a GWR Mogul, and a brand new locomotive BR Riddles Standard 3 Tank, 82045, of which there are none surviving in preservation. Most of these should be running by 2025, by which time a couple of the currently active locomotives will see their boiler tickets expire and be scheduled for overhaul themselves.
I like the idea of the Dukedog running again. A very good example of engineering repurpose without spending huge amounts of money on new locomotives for secondary lines. Another I would add is the Midland Compound 4-4-0. This ran for many years on main line enthusiast specials, and is the only one preserved from 245 built. It has many parts in common with the Somerset and Dorset Junction 2-8-0s, of which there are two in operation, so manufacturing pattern parts should not be difficult. And the Midland Johnson Spinner 4-2-2 and the sole Caledonian single. The Caledonian locomotive ran many railtours in the early 1960s and there are not very many locomotives from Scottish companies in active service. Although only single drivers, both were main line express locomotives in their day and would be capable of hauling trains up to 200 tons on heritage railways which do not have too many steep gradients.
Interestingly, Stepney isn’t the only locomotive on this list to have a Thomas character based on it. NER 66 “Aerolite” also has a Thomas Character based on it, being the character “Whiff”
With sir Nigel Gresley running around, bittern in the queue at Crewe then the argument for restoring and running mallard becomes weaker compared to more unique engines. For instance blue Peter the A2 is now being restored so will have A1 (peppercorn not Gresley) A2, A3 and A4 around. Quite frankly could stick 4468 and garter blue on sir Nigel Gresley or bittern and 90% of people would not tell the difference.
I think it’s a shame that such a fine looking engine isn’t moving only because it has class mates that are. I don’t see why it couldn’t be run on excursions as long as it had modern equipment. It already has an appropriate bell and whistle.
Ooh .... Good call. Trouble is with 800s, they were only ever permitted on Dublin - Limerick Jnc - Cork/Limerick (and I'm not 100% certain about Limerick!!). Getting Maeve up to Cultra for preservation in the 1960s was quite an exercise. The Boyne Viaduct was the major headache and the whole operation required several spacer wagons and not much speed!!
Good luck with 9017 my mate broke a part of it off last weekend, he was looking at it and a peice of rubber snapped off the brake rigging in the tender.
i agree but my issue is id want to see if City did actually breach the 100mph mark to shut up all the ney sayers once and for all lol and i believe that she could it be a tough job she be tired after that sprint but boy oh boy would it make alot of people cry!
8:28 the bluebell was NOT the only standard gauge preserved line in 1960, there was also the Middleton Railway in Leeds which was the first preserved standard gauge railway, although it is an ex colliery railway so not big enough for such locos as 9017
I think the one engine I could restore if I had the money would be NCB No. 24, currently on static display at the Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway, but originally in service at Waterside in Ayrshire (now the Doon Valley Railway). It's an Andrew Barclay 0-6-0, so probably a bit big for preserved service on the Doon Valley, unless that Railway's original ambition of running trains all the way between Waterside and Minnivey (near Dalmellington) came to fruition. As it stands, the engine would certainly be a handy size to run on the B&KR.
Not sure that's actually true. Newbuilds seems to take many years and cost millions of pounds. The LSWR T3 at Swanage was rebuilt in about 6 years for well under a million having not run for 75 years. Getting engines repaired if their boiler certificate has expired and nothing much else is wrong is also less expensive.
i have something to point out the army didn't own 600 it was the army transport museum having been gifted to them upon the closure of longmoor along with a few other peaces of rolling stock such as woolmer and gazelle
Gordon NEEDS to be restored, she is unique, the sole surviving LMR dub-Dee, the closest to my favourite dub-Dee, 601 “Kitchener” what died to a fusible plug failure, the same year 400 sir guy Williams suffered the same death, so Gordon NEEDS resorting, same with all the other LMR survivors, and those who didn’t survive need replicas, ASAP, and the A3 needs rerouting, so not to sit atop where Longmoor downs was, and the railway needs resurrection, NOW
Darkness, could ya maybe also make a list of german engines you would restore? (Pls. say Yes. No such list exists and because of many reasons we constandly get oberrshadowed....)
Honestly have to say I would not bother restoring Stepney as there are loads of other Terriers around, many in working order. The single most historically important locomotive type that wasn't preserved, in my view, was the pioneering Churchward "Saint/Lady" class, so it's good that the gap has been filled by the newbuild "Lady of Legend", though sad that it won't be seen on the main lines. Have to admit that restoring a "double framer" like Earl of Berkeley or City of Truro would be rather fun.
The little gauge trains in the UK are my favorite. And I'm american. The problem with me getting a train is one I have no truck to run it on to I don't have the funds to build or repair one or buy one. I could probably build a basic miniaturized version of a diesel but I like steam. So I'm SOL
You should do a top 5 New builds of lost steam locomotive classes if you had the money for American, British and European locomotives next. that'd be a fun thing to do.
Cornwall would probably be one of my picks. Considering the disaster that occurred during the engine's time, that left it unable to be used, I'd say it's worth getting the engine back in service again.
IIRC, There was an attempt to overhaul Cornwall for the Rocket 150 Cavalcade. Only for the boiler inspector to put his hammer straight through the boiler barrel.
Although I live in United States, but if I live in the UK and have the money, I would restore NBR K class Glen Douglas 4-4-0 256 since Edward's basis FR 4-4-0 K2 were scrapped, the Glen Douglas is one of few 4-4-0s in UK that resembled Edward in existence today along with LNER D40, and the older 1889 built LSWR T9.
I know this is a video about British trains, but you mentioned talking about international trains. With all that said I am curious about Russian, Soviet, then Russian trains and rails. My research comes up really short and ends abruptly.
Let's just say that, following LSWR 563's return to service, I'd be amazed if no-one at least had their eyes on the drawings for the crank axle needed to get 737 running again.
To be honest these are all restored and only need overhauls, there are a fair few steam locomotives here that need a full restoration from scrap condition many of these engines are southern class engines although some GWR and BR examples require a restoration from scrap condition such as 7027 Thornbury Castle. I’d choose these instead of your list, at least your list have had the privilege of running in preservation…… the others have not
There are soo many. You even have new ones being made of extinct models. BR Riddles 3MT, Standard Class 6 CLAN, GWR County Class, and GWR Grange Class are just examples.
@@zepheris_ there are loads of great western engines preserved versus only 3 Caledonians and only 1 is an express engine and a good looking one at that
@@caledonianrailway1233 3mt was made because they could in theory be mass-produced. hengest is gonna do mainline tours county is a botch job and so is the grange in reality the only reasons why locos like 61264 made it to preservation is because it was taken to barry, enthusiasts had to pick and choose what would be best to run a railway and best to preserve history, and consider all the money that went into buying them in the first place! it sucks that the single isn't running but you can help that by donating funds and spreading awareness because all this is volunteer driven!
@@caledonianrailway1233apparently there is an ex-Calle pug, but all callies need to be running again, I’ll be seeing 828 later today funnily enough, probs in steam too
7027 Thornbury Castle was cannibalised and has lost its boiler to the 4800 project. It might be rebuilt with a larger boiler, perhaps the LMS 2A boiler as fitted to the Royal Scot class, to produce a "Super Castle", oil fired. From watching the Castles at work, I suspect that they are still far from the peak of their potential.
With 7 other castles preserved then providing parts to get an operational “Star” let’s face it lode star 4003 not going to restored to running, is it really such a loss. Is not as if there aren’t 7 other castles available. When a person wrote into steam railway that we didn’t need a second star i facepalmed, literally if we don’t need a 2nd star that would get an example out and running then why on earth do you need an 8th Castle. Pendennis, Clun and Earl mount Edgcumbe all running at the moment and others awaiting restoration. Even the suggestion of sticking an LMS boiler on a GW engine, will have GW men in uproar.
@@michaelmcnally2331 The County class had LMS designed boilers as the had the flanging blocks at Swindon for the 8Fs they built there. The Castles were originally intended to have the 4800 class boilers but the ones that were fitted had to be smaller and lighter to satisfy weight restrictions at the time. A second Star would be interesting to see but a significant downgrade which would only be used on museum lines. The current performance of the Castles now running suggests that the underlying design might still have unrealised potential. It is significant that further Castles were built after the County class. There was a rumour in the early 1960s that a further 30 Castles were being built, due to lack of confidence in the diesels that were coming into service. This sounds fanciful but more likely is that the locomotives were being very thoroughly overhauled to as-new condition almost until the end of their careers; they were certainly still performing as well as they had ever been. If it had not been for the mad dash to get rid of steam, spearheaded by the notorious Stanley Raymond, the steam fleet would have continued in service well into the 1970s. I believe Raymond was also responsible for widepread closures in Australia.
Come to think about it.the L.N.E.R ,U1 Garrett, used on the Worsborough incline and then sent over to the Lickey incline. One of a kind the 2-8-0 0-8-2 was a beast of a loco. Could have been preserved and displayed at the national railway museum at York
He’s done American trains, he’s done British trains. Now it’s time for AUSTRALIAN TRAINS No but seriously if I had the funds I’d restore City of Truro, The Highland Jones goods, Mallard (of course) and several others. (Particularly that red Jinty which carried 16440) But because I’m in Australia, I’d probably sink most of those funds into restoring WAGR engines particularly DD592, and MRWA B6.
The national rail museum don't want Mallard restored. At this point since there are already surviving A4s in steam they want to keep Mallard as original as possible.
If I had money I would rebuild Thomas the E2 tank engine or K2 class Edward n give them a major upgrade so they can run on BR or anywhere else in the world there is if I was allow to is created a new class of locomotive with a potential to outshine the Duke of Gloucester Class 8 BR locomotives ( hand drawn design and development of the new generation of steam 🚂 Grand Duchesses of wales Class 10 BR with a cantroning valve and gears system)
one of the reasons lists like this make me annoyed is because you've just revolved it around engines that are similar to thomas characters... 1. Where on earth would Aerolite run? it'd probably slip all over the place and would cost a decent amount of money for it to do bugger all... furness 20 and 25 could do more to actually generate money for their continued service and they're just as old! 2. Terriers are sort of useful at best (See SVR's spring gala timetable for proof) and we have plenty of them, let stepney rest... it's had it's run and it's costing more and more money and for what? it's old!? it appears in thomas?! it was the bluebells first engine, remember it for that not the other pointless crap... and there's a reason the bluebell only run 2 bogied coaches with fenchurch or 4-wheelers... they're bloody pathetic! 3. I agree with the ivatt, ownership problems are preventing it from being restored. another issue is the locomotive beats itself to pieces, after reading the SVR's quarterly magazine each year it needed to come out in January otherwise it would have just fallen apart... I was on it's last train however and it was a very good sendoff... 4. Dukedog is nice but at the end of the day apparently it's frames are borked and it's at the Vale of Rheidol museum now. 5. Gordon... the thing with no firebox and soo big for the SVR that it has to go 5mph over Victoria bridge... good luck getting money for that when the SVR are building a new 3MT and restoring 4150, working on 34027 and have many other engines of more sound condition and use than 600... heck there's calls to get the ivatt 2 out of the engine house and stuff like the 8F would be more reasonable because they actually ran over the line at some point in time! IMO they need to either sell it or keep it in the engine house... they can't do much with it...
5:44 Pronounce it correctly for f's sake... *Four Thirty-One Oh Six.* Imagine she was numbered 3106 in LMS days, which in the real world is sadly impossible, because although the Ivatt 4MTs totalled 162 locomotives, they were built between 1947 and 52, so only the first 3 of them saw service on the LMS. Also, thankfully the Flying Pig has been replaced with LMS Stanier Mogul 2968, which needed to come back at some point, and she has, in proper LMS numbering no less. Anything to see less BR numbering in LMS-designed engines.
Why would you preserve any more of these overgloryfied british abominations. Just look at them, their engines just are like overpaid plastic magazin-models. Yes they were good workhorses but there are much more locos around the world that deserve preservation much more!
Yeah, it was a big deal with a lot of ceremony with caretakers coming over to present her to the museum, think there are documentaries on UA-cam on the move
UK: Great at preserving locomotives.
USA: Great at preserving battleships. (and other naval vessels)
One that needs attention, the Black Prince, a BR 9F, has just gone out of service on the North Norfolk railway, the poppy line. Her steam pipe is leaking and apparently its not cost effective to repair it.
I think that's because her boiler ticket's almost up. There's no point repairing something like the steam pipe if she's only going to be in service for another few months before going out of service again anyway. Better to withdraw her now and do the full overhaul all in one go.
One of the reasons for 9017 going to the Vale of Rheidol is, although the line is narrow gauge, the museum is in the old Standard gauge shed, 9017s old shed!
Always find it amusing that Earl of Berkeley and Mallard are the same age!
They aren't really, '38 is just the official year. The GW needed a bunch of secondary line locomotives and decided to economise by building the 'Dukedogs', basically sliding later pattern (and stonger) Bulldog frames under the Duke boilers and motion in place of the worn out originals. Both donor classes are related late Victorian/early Edwardian inside cylinder 4-4-0s, both had 5'8" drivers, but the 'straight frames' on dukes are stronger, partly because they were built later but also because they were heavier and had bigger boilers. So the frames are originally from 3425,, built in 1906, and the main Duke donor seems to have been 3253 of 1899. That said (without checking) the boiler was probably newer than 1899 and may also have been fitted to more than one locomotive previously - the GWR practiced Compeone6g Exchange Overhaul long before it got fashionable.
Charles Collett "troll ability" the very posh GWR board wanted a new beautiful steam engine class, as a way to have some laughts and fun, he put together the Dukes and Bulldogs parts and give them their new class.
If I had the money, I would restored GNR Stirling Single No. 1 since that's Emily from Thomas.
exactly my thoughts
@@TheLazyFusspot_3428 there isnt even one preserved, how are u gonna restore one 💀💀
@@fatpigeon008 there is one at the NRM at York, its on display if you’d like to see it
@@Falcon_Works_1878 Nah some kid said he wanted to restore a furness K2 (Edward's basis) So thats why I said what I said
@@fatpigeon008 sorry
Earl of Berkeley (pronounced Bark-lee) is really at home at the old Aberystwyth shed site that the Vale of Rheidol Railway is occupying. Her and her sister locos worked the Cambrian lines until they were got rid of by BR.
Point of Order: They were at least REPLACED .... unlike far too much of the Welsh railway network.
I gotta say, I’m a little shocked you didn’t include that Bulleid Q1 in your list. I think that deserves to run again, as ‘ugly’ as it may be.
She’s not ugly, the reason she isn’t ugly is she was design by the best there ever was, Bulleid
@@SouthernRegionProductions I know. Why do you think I put quotations on that word?
that was the basis for Neville right?
@@GoofyVirginian630 Yes.
Ngl seeing a Q1 one would be pretty cool
Apparently 2-10-0s aren't allowed on the mainline rail network because of their flangeless middle driving wheels. Which seems counterintuitive as having a flanged central driving wheel would seem to more likely lead to derailment? Perhaps I am wrong but it seems a pity, no 9Fs on the mainline etc
Some engines on the list will get an overhaul eventually, like Sir Berkeley and the Flying Pig. The first one, Aerolite, isn't a good candidate in my opinion, being that small, having one drive axle and thus a very low tractive effort makes her unsuitable for more than 2 or 3 carriages, which on almost every preserved line is insufficient. She was ever only intended to pull one carriage, the inspector's saloon.
5 of the locomotives I would certainly want to see restored in operational status are: the SE&CR D class 4-4-0 no 737 in the NRM, it's one of the most beautiful Victorian age locomotives.
Beattie well tank no 30587, LNWR Improved Precedent class no 790 Hardwicke, LSWR 415 class Adams Radial no 488 and LNER V2 class Green Arrow.
But for many classes it will never happen as they are too old, fragile and as one offs, too valuable to restore and lose a lot of the original substance as a matter of things.
If I were to revive 5 scrapped engines from Britain
1 - Ffestiniog Railway Large England ‘Little Giant’
2 - Welsh highland railway Single Fairlie “Moel Tryfan”
3 - LB&SCR A1 No.53 ‘Ashtead’
4 - LB&SCR E2x No.105 (im an E2 fan, sue me)
5 - LNER A1/A3 No.4471 ‘Sir Frederick Banbury’
+1 for Moel Tryfan, I was thinking of Snowdon ranger. Single fairlies are so underrated!
(Edited to add) Sir Theodore, or really any of the Glyn Valley Tramway's distinctive locos.
I'd wanna dig the hush hush up and workout where tf did gresley go wrong with it's design and the high pressure steamers to see we can work out the kinks
@@chaoticmoron-zl6nv Ooh, do the Leader too while you're at it!
@@chaoticmoron-zl6nv or do what BR planned to do and give it a peppercorn boiler
How about a replica of the Midland Railways 0-10-0 class 2900 Linky Banker known as Big Bertha. That locomotive is more powerful than the 9f.
Great video Darkness! Thoroughly enjoyed. Would love to see all these locomotives mended! Also must applaud the British for the absolutely beautiful paint jobs they give their locomotives.
There are SO many British Engines I’d restore. But I have to say my number one would be Green Arrow. the LNER V2s are some of my favorite engines of all time (along with the LMS Stanier Mogul) and it’s nothing short of a crime they stuffed the last one in a museum. 34051 Winston Churchill would be a close second, but I understand they want to keep most of that engine original since it did pull Winston Churchill’s funeral train.
Apparently there's rumours that there's a plan to overhaul Green Arrow.
The only issue that's keeping them from overhauling GA is that monobloc cylinder block. The RM has said the cylinder block is "too significantly important" to fix it.
I knew there was something significantly wrong with 4771, but I couldn’t remember what it was off the top of my head
@@justanotherpersononyoutube7130 at this point I think I'd rather see a replica V2 and keep the monoblock rather than change the original. All preserved engines eventually reach the where the original metal wears out, and I'd rather green arrow was preserved for what it is, and get a 3 cylinder fix another way. From memory, inthink knkh the wheel centres on 4472 are original, even the frames were changed in the 30's.
But it's not my money of course.
@@jonathanj8303Well, there's a V4 on the starting blocks .... and I'd not bet against A1SLT doing it again. Great little loco for the West Highland line and others where V2s are too heavy to tread.
Fun fact: Churchill’s widow wanted the engine that pulled her husband’s funeral train cut up as soon as it finished hauling the train, so what did they do? Shove it behind a shed and wait until it could be run again
make this a mini series on most countries
Day one of asking Darkness to do video on Canadian Steam locomotives.
Ball is in your court lad
I would love to get _Lion_ going again because, you know, it's the Titfield Thunderbolt.
I doubt its custodians would ever allow it though.
They want her running as far as I can remember, but you either throw away her history or run illegally, the tender frames are fucked, due to the collision in the film
I hope you could find one, in my country -Argentina- the authorities were happy sendind to scrap everything they could and sadly almost survived except a very few examples 😢
There’s a GWR panner tank numbered 5775 painted in a beautiful livery that I’d love to see return to service.
For me it would be GNR(I) no. 171 Slieve Gullion an elegant Edwardian sky blue express engine and a 4-4-0
RIP 43106, rode behind it on the penultimate day of its ticket
With respect, Mr Ivatt's Mogul isn't even slightly endangered.
RIP is rather more.... terminal and therefore more applicable to S15 30841 and Crab 42859, both of which need a full-on miracle to return to even the land of static display.
The North Eastern Railway, as the successor to the first steam railway, the Stockton and Darlington Railway, started the railway preservation in the UK. The LNER's museum was on the NER collection.
[Nerd mode ON] Actually, I think the earliest you could say was delivered 'preserved' is the Padarn Railway's "Fire Queen", hidden from those who'd do it harm and currently to be found on display at the VoR's Aberystwyth museum.
Not seeking to detract one jot from the NER's uniquely enlightened approach, for which we can all be grateful.
@@TheHoveHeretic Locomotion No.1 aka Active was preserved in 1857 whilst Fire Queen (delivered 1848) and her sister Jenny Lind were still hard at work in Wales. Whilst Jenny Lind was scrapped in 1886, Fire Queen was put I to a shed at the quarry they worked ay until 1969.
@@neiloflongbeck5705OK ... you got me on S&D No.1, but the Horrocks locos were withdrawn in the 1880s LONG before the 4ft gauge line closed down ... in 1961. Pity none of the later Padarn mainline locos survived, but as the only functioning 4ft gauge line I can think of is that Glasgow Subway, somewhere to run it might be an issue!
I wouldn’t want Aerolite to steam again. I just want it to come back home to York!
"William Francis". The ONLY surviving Garratt built for UK service, Bressingam's oddly cute 0-4-0+0-4-0 has 3'-4" dia drivers, making it ideal for the 25mph limit on heritage lines. It weighs in about the same as the 2ft gauge ex-SAR NG16s found on the Welsh Highland. Let's see the NYMR's notorious dining set give that one any grief!!
On rhe NG, shout out for "Earl of Merioneth", the first newbuild - bigger than 15in gauge - in the preservation era. Likely to need new power bogies (it's a Double Fairlie), this machine is marks a major part of the Ffesterbahn's history.
My local heritage railway is the Severn Valley so I'm pretty familiar with both the Flying Pig and Gordon! I went to the Winter Gala in January and managed to travel on her final train up to Bridgnorth (and had actually travelled behind her several times during the last couple of years). She certainly performed well and is a lovely locomotive, if a little strange looking thanks to the high running boards! I have a soft spot for Gordon because she's a Longmoor loco, and the village of Liss, where the railway connected to the mainline between London and Portsmouth, was where my mother grew up.
There are a few unique survivors at the SVR: obviously there's 43106, but the railway's also home to the only Stanier 5MT mogul in preservation, no. 12368 (also numbered (4)2968), which returned to traffic at the same time as 43106 was making her final runs, the only surviving GWR 15xx 0-6-0PT: no. 1501, and GWR no. 813, a 'Swindonised' ex-Port Talbot Railway locomotive. They're also building a new-build BR Standard Class 3 2-6-2T locomotive.
1501 my beloved, 1501 and gordon need restoring as soon as possible, me and a friend were discussing recently if we were the only two people left on earth then it wouldn’t be long before 1501 and 600 returned to steam, and probs wouldn’t be long until 601, 400, 401, 700, 428, (all other LMR engines) return too
@@SouthernRegionProductions If we're restoring Longmoor engines, go for the SVR's 8F, no. 48773, as well; she's also an ex-LMR engine (no. 500).
Well Darkness there's an Freightliner Class 70 that was damaged on its arrival in the UK and sent back to GE in America which is now been used as a test in Erie it's on another You Tubers channel.
If you want to check it out.
Like many Preservation locos, 43106 is privately owned by a society as opposed to the Severn Valley where she's based. Their owners will discuss her future in due course but the SVR have a number of other projects at various stages of completion, alongside West Country class Taw Valley, whose own boiler ticket recently expired but is an SVR owned locomotive. These include nearly completed overhauls of a GWR small Prairie loco, Bradley Manor, a GWR Mogul, and a brand new locomotive BR Riddles Standard 3 Tank, 82045, of which there are none surviving in preservation. Most of these should be running by 2025, by which time a couple of the currently active locomotives will see their boiler tickets expire and be scheduled for overhaul themselves.
The City Of Truro, SR Q1 came to mind as engines that should been restore.
L&YR Class 5 would be my choice.
1: YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!😎😎😎😍😍😍😁😁😁😄😄😄
Sir Charles Gordon!!! I did NOT expect this guy!
Gordon is most based WD engine preserved, Kitchener is the most based ever
@@SouthernRegionProductions Yeah + I - LOVE your profile picture/the Bulleid class 70!💖💖💖
I like the idea of the Dukedog running again. A very good example of engineering repurpose without spending huge amounts of money on new locomotives for secondary lines.
Another I would add is the Midland Compound 4-4-0. This ran for many years on main line enthusiast specials, and is the only one preserved from 245 built. It has many parts in common with the Somerset and Dorset Junction 2-8-0s, of which there are two in operation, so manufacturing pattern parts should not be difficult.
And the Midland Johnson Spinner 4-2-2 and the sole Caledonian single. The Caledonian locomotive ran many railtours in the early 1960s and there are not very many locomotives from Scottish companies in active service. Although only single drivers, both were main line express locomotives in their day and would be capable of hauling trains up to 200 tons on heritage railways which do not have too many steep gradients.
Interestingly, Stepney isn’t the only locomotive on this list to have a Thomas character based on it. NER 66 “Aerolite” also has a Thomas Character based on it, being the character “Whiff”
I would love to help overhaul Stepney if I donate it. I love that steam engine.
Surprised Mallard isn’t on this list
The speedy blue duck deserves not to be restored simply because his/her ego would be huge
With sir Nigel Gresley running around, bittern in the queue at Crewe then the argument for restoring and running mallard becomes weaker compared to more unique engines. For instance blue Peter the A2 is now being restored so will have A1 (peppercorn not Gresley) A2, A3 and A4 around. Quite frankly could stick 4468 and garter blue on sir Nigel Gresley or bittern and 90% of people would not tell the difference.
The flying door stop needs scrapping, use it to restore 600 and resurrect 601
You know this would make for a good round house rumble
Would you restore Aerolite in its current form or in its previous form as a 4-2-2 or it's original 2-2-2 form?
Well... I want to restore Bleubell Railway 9F number 92240 (and give a name Murdoch) and, of course, LNER A4 Mallard.
Why the flying doorstop? Melt it down, restore 600 and 601 with the metel, far better use for it
I’d restore Aerolite/Whiff, Stepney and Gordon if I had the money
Dominion of Canada A4. It should be running
I think it’s a shame that such a fine looking engine isn’t moving only because it has class mates that are. I don’t see why it couldn’t be run on excursions as long as it had modern equipment. It already has an appropriate bell and whistle.
Good suggestion
Good name, bad engine, it’s an A4, it’s ABSOLUTELY FUCKING SHITE
Not a British locomotive but I would love to see gsr 800 class maedb running agian it's pretty slim pickings for mainline steam in ireland
Ooh .... Good call. Trouble is with 800s, they were only ever permitted on Dublin - Limerick Jnc - Cork/Limerick (and I'm not 100% certain about Limerick!!).
Getting Maeve up to Cultra for preservation in the 1960s was quite an exercise. The Boyne Viaduct was the major headache and the whole operation required several spacer wagons and not much speed!!
@@TheHoveHeretic yeah but a man can dream
@@mrhotdog468totally. Must admit, my mind was wandering around the Cultra collection. That B&CDR Atlantic tank No.30 is a stunner.
@howardrisby9621 haven't seen that one edit* seen a picture of and dam I have a new favourite tank engine from an ascetic point of view
Good luck with 9017 my mate broke a part of it off last weekend, he was looking at it and a peice of rubber snapped off the brake rigging in the tender.
For me it would have to be the GWR City of Truro and Lode Star, but it's unlikely that it will ever happen.
i agree but my issue is id want to see if City did actually breach the 100mph mark to shut up all the ney sayers once and for all lol and i believe that she could it be a tough job she be tired after that sprint but boy oh boy would it make alot of people cry!
8:28 the bluebell was NOT the only standard gauge preserved line in 1960, there was also the Middleton Railway in Leeds which was the first preserved standard gauge railway, although it is an ex colliery railway so not big enough for such locos as 9017
fun fact! Aerolite is the same basis for Whiff from Thomas the tank engine.
I think the one engine I could restore if I had the money would be NCB No. 24, currently on static display at the Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway, but originally in service at Waterside in Ayrshire (now the Doon Valley Railway). It's an Andrew Barclay 0-6-0, so probably a bit big for preserved service on the Doon Valley, unless that Railway's original ambition of running trains all the way between Waterside and Minnivey (near Dalmellington) came to fruition. As it stands, the engine would certainly be a handy size to run on the B&KR.
The stupid thing now is that it is actually cheaper to build new engines than keep the old ones running.
Not sure that's actually true. Newbuilds seems to take many years and cost millions of pounds. The LSWR T3 at Swanage was rebuilt in about 6 years for well under a million having not run for 75 years. Getting engines repaired if their boiler certificate has expired and nothing much else is wrong is also less expensive.
@@iankemp1131I’ve been summoned, the best place on earth was mentioned swanage
i have something to point out the army didn't own 600 it was the army transport museum having been gifted to them upon the closure of longmoor along with a few other peaces of rolling stock such as woolmer and gazelle
Gordon NEEDS to be restored, she is unique, the sole surviving LMR dub-Dee, the closest to my favourite dub-Dee, 601 “Kitchener” what died to a fusible plug failure, the same year 400 sir guy Williams suffered the same death, so Gordon NEEDS resorting, same with all the other LMR survivors, and those who didn’t survive need replicas, ASAP, and the A3 needs rerouting, so not to sit atop where Longmoor downs was, and the railway needs resurrection, NOW
Darkness, could ya maybe also make a list of german engines you would restore? (Pls. say Yes. No such list exists and because of many reasons we constandly get oberrshadowed....)
I was on the footplate of Stepney just a few weeks ago 👍
You should consider doing a fundraiser for a donation to a railroad museum once a year. and you can decide which museum by a drawing.
RESTORE 600!!!
She's BIG - BLUE... And her name is GORDON!!!
COME ONN!!!!
Honestly have to say I would not bother restoring Stepney as there are loads of other Terriers around, many in working order. The single most historically important locomotive type that wasn't preserved, in my view, was the pioneering Churchward "Saint/Lady" class, so it's good that the gap has been filled by the newbuild "Lady of Legend", though sad that it won't be seen on the main lines. Have to admit that restoring a "double framer" like Earl of Berkeley or City of Truro would be rather fun.
My thought would be to revive and modify failed engines to where the bugs that killed them off get removed.
The little gauge trains in the UK are my favorite. And I'm american. The problem with me getting a train is one I have no truck to run it on to I don't have the funds to build or repair one or buy one. I could probably build a basic miniaturized version of a diesel but I like steam. So I'm SOL
I need the SECR H class back running on the Bluebell
RESTORE 600!!!
She's BIG - BLUE.... And her name is GORDON!!!
COME ON!!!
And your forgetting the other ♾ reasons, including she is a LMR survivor
@@SouthernRegionProductions Agreed! All he misses now is a number 4.💖
You should do a top 5 New builds of lost steam locomotive classes if you had the money for American, British and European locomotives next. that'd be a fun thing to do.
How about a batch of 50 Riddles 8Ps?
OMG!!! HOW ARE YOU STEPNEY?!😁😁😁😁😁😁
If you like Aerolite, you will love the new build G5. A North Eastern 0-4-4T hopefully it won't be too long before it is running.
Cornwall would probably be one of my picks. Considering the disaster that occurred during the engine's time, that left it unable to be used, I'd say it's worth getting the engine back in service again.
IIRC, There was an attempt to overhaul Cornwall for the Rocket 150 Cavalcade.
Only for the boiler inspector to put his hammer straight through the boiler barrel.
@@justanotherpersononyoutube7130 Yeah. Idiot.
Although I live in United States, but if I live in the UK and have the money, I would restore NBR K class Glen Douglas 4-4-0 256 since Edward's basis FR 4-4-0 K2 were scrapped, the Glen Douglas is one of few 4-4-0s in UK that resembled Edward in existence today along with LNER D40, and the older 1889 built LSWR T9.
T3 says hello
I know this is a video about British trains, but you mentioned talking about international trains. With all that said I am curious about Russian, Soviet, then Russian trains and rails. My research comes up really short and ends abruptly.
I like to see an Aussie version of this.
if I had the money I would rebuilt a Lbscr L class
for my choose i would choose LAYR class 5 2-4-2T 1008/ SECR D class 737/ LMS Stanier tank 2500/Midland railway n1000 /NER D17" No.1621
Let's just say that, following LSWR 563's return to service, I'd be amazed if no-one at least had their eyes on the drawings for the crank axle needed to get 737 running again.
To be honest these are all restored and only need overhauls, there are a fair few steam locomotives here that need a full restoration from scrap condition many of these engines are southern class engines although some GWR and BR examples require a restoration from scrap condition such as 7027 Thornbury Castle. I’d choose these instead of your list, at least your list have had the privilege of running in preservation…… the others have not
For me It gonna be SR Battle of Britain class "Winston Churchill"
Where is the Caledonian single on this list?!
There are soo many. You even have new ones being made of extinct models. BR Riddles 3MT, Standard Class 6 CLAN, GWR County Class, and GWR Grange Class are just examples.
@@zepheris_ there are loads of great western engines preserved versus only 3 Caledonians and only 1 is an express engine and a good looking one at that
@@caledonianrailway1233 3mt was made because they could in theory be mass-produced.
hengest is gonna do mainline tours
county is a botch job and so is the grange
in reality the only reasons why locos like 61264 made it to preservation is because it was taken to barry, enthusiasts had to pick and choose what would be best to run a railway and best to preserve history, and consider all the money that went into buying them in the first place!
it sucks that the single isn't running but you can help that by donating funds and spreading awareness because all this is volunteer driven!
@@caledonianrailway1233apparently there is an ex-Calle pug, but all callies need to be running again, I’ll be seeing 828 later today funnily enough, probs in steam too
Please do Austria next
If I had a few quid spare green arrow would definitely be back in steam,and mallard,and then I’d spend some on some of the more interesting stuff
5AT Advanced Technology locomotive? 😊
7027 Thornbury Castle was cannibalised and has lost its boiler to the 4800 project. It might be rebuilt with a larger boiler, perhaps the LMS 2A boiler as fitted to the Royal Scot class, to produce a "Super Castle", oil fired. From watching the Castles at work, I suspect that they are still far from the peak of their potential.
With 7 other castles preserved then providing parts to get an operational “Star” let’s face it lode star 4003 not going to restored to running, is it really such a loss. Is not as if there aren’t 7 other castles available.
When a person wrote into steam railway that we didn’t need a second star i facepalmed, literally if we don’t need a 2nd star that would get an example out and running then why on earth do you need an 8th Castle.
Pendennis, Clun and Earl mount Edgcumbe all running at the moment and others awaiting restoration.
Even the suggestion of sticking an LMS boiler on a GW engine, will have GW men in uproar.
@@michaelmcnally2331
The County class had LMS designed boilers as the had the flanging blocks at Swindon for the 8Fs they built there. The Castles were originally intended to have the 4800 class boilers but the ones that were fitted had to be smaller and lighter to satisfy weight restrictions at the time.
A second Star would be interesting to see but a significant downgrade which would only be used on museum lines. The current performance of the Castles now running suggests that the underlying design might still have unrealised potential.
It is significant that further Castles were built after the County class. There was a rumour in the early 1960s that a further 30
Castles were being built, due to lack of confidence in the diesels that were coming into service. This sounds fanciful but more likely is that the locomotives were being very thoroughly overhauled to as-new condition almost until the end of their careers; they were certainly still performing as well as they had ever been.
If it had not been for the mad dash to get rid of steam, spearheaded by the notorious Stanley Raymond, the steam fleet would have continued in service well into the 1970s. I believe Raymond was also responsible for widepread closures in Australia.
@@michaelmcnally2331castles are not stars though? They were a further development of the stars, yes, but they are not the same clads
Come to think about it.the L.N.E.R ,U1 Garrett, used on the Worsborough incline and then sent over to the Lickey incline. One of a kind the 2-8-0 0-8-2 was a beast of a loco. Could have been preserved and displayed at the national railway museum at York
He’s done American trains, he’s done British trains. Now it’s time for AUSTRALIAN TRAINS
No but seriously if I had the funds I’d restore City of Truro, The Highland Jones goods, Mallard (of course) and several others. (Particularly that red Jinty which carried 16440)
But because I’m in Australia, I’d probably sink most of those funds into restoring WAGR engines particularly DD592, and MRWA B6.
Aerolite was actually the basis for Whiff in Thomas.
WE KNOW
@@Cooledman2099 DTC and nobody in the comments mentioned it so i did it.
I volunteer at the svr she will return just awaiting over hall and will return soon hopefuly
What's next? Mexican locomotives?
Make a video about the Greek armored cruiser Georgios Averof
Drachinifel already did that.
If I had the money I’d restore LNER A4 No. 4468 Mallard to steam
The national rail museum don't want Mallard restored. At this point since there are already surviving A4s in steam they want to keep Mallard as original as possible.
An American thinking about restoring American locos first?! HOW DARE HE! Rarrrrrrrrrrrrrr rage
"Berkley" is pronounced "Barkley" in the UK.
5: HHELLO WHIFF!^^
Mallard
V2 green arrow
London, Tilbury and Southend 'thundersly'
Gwr city of truro
Duchess of Hamilton (in current streamlined form)
Least you talked about Great Britain and the United Kingdom and not England as too many Americans do.
the dwight d eisenhower.
Overrated shite
Are there other steam locomotives worldwide that you'd like to restore to operation if you had the money?
Ahh for crying out loud give Josh a break he works his butt off. Running like what 4 UA-cam channels counting this one.
Where's Australia in all this?
The last Dean Goods went from Vienna Nord around 1949.
What? Title said 'British'!! 😁
5 Canadian Locomotives You would Restore if you had the money?
For me it will be locomotion
If I had money I would rebuild Thomas the E2 tank engine or K2 class Edward n give them a major upgrade so they can run on BR or anywhere else in the world there is if I was allow to is created a new class of locomotive with a potential to outshine the Duke of Gloucester Class 8 BR locomotives ( hand drawn design and development of the new generation of steam 🚂 Grand Duchesses of wales Class 10 BR with a cantroning valve and gears system)
Class 10, so, 10P, 10F, 10mt, BE MORE SPECIFIC
Id resotre Gordon...
Same
Ask mr.beast to help
one of the reasons lists like this make me annoyed is because you've just revolved it around engines that are similar to thomas characters...
1. Where on earth would Aerolite run? it'd probably slip all over the place and would cost a decent amount of money for it to do bugger all... furness 20 and 25 could do more to actually generate money for their continued service and they're just as old!
2. Terriers are sort of useful at best (See SVR's spring gala timetable for proof) and we have plenty of them, let stepney rest... it's had it's run and it's costing more and more money and for what? it's old!? it appears in thomas?! it was the bluebells first engine, remember it for that not the other pointless crap... and there's a reason the bluebell only run 2 bogied coaches with fenchurch or 4-wheelers... they're bloody pathetic!
3. I agree with the ivatt, ownership problems are preventing it from being restored. another issue is the locomotive beats itself to pieces, after reading the SVR's quarterly magazine each year it needed to come out in January otherwise it would have just fallen apart... I was on it's last train however and it was a very good sendoff...
4. Dukedog is nice but at the end of the day apparently it's frames are borked and it's at the Vale of Rheidol museum now.
5. Gordon... the thing with no firebox and soo big for the SVR that it has to go 5mph over Victoria bridge... good luck getting money for that when the SVR are building a new 3MT and restoring 4150, working on 34027 and have many other engines of more sound condition and use than 600... heck there's calls to get the ivatt 2 out of the engine house and stuff like the 8F would be more reasonable because they actually ran over the line at some point in time!
IMO they need to either sell it or keep it in the engine house... they can't do much with it...
The 8f needs to be repainted into LMR livery and 600 needs restoration, same with every other LMR engine
5:44 Pronounce it correctly for f's sake... *Four Thirty-One Oh Six.*
Imagine she was numbered 3106 in LMS days, which in the real world is sadly impossible, because although the Ivatt 4MTs totalled 162 locomotives, they were built between 1947 and 52, so only the first 3 of them saw service on the LMS.
Also, thankfully the Flying Pig has been replaced with LMS Stanier Mogul 2968, which needed to come back at some point, and she has, in proper LMS numbering no less.
Anything to see less BR numbering in LMS-designed engines.
You really are the stereo-typical American, aren't you?
Why would you preserve any more of these overgloryfied british abominations. Just look at them, their engines just are like overpaid plastic magazin-models. Yes they were good workhorses but there are much more locos around the world that deserve preservation much more!
Duchess of Hamilton
2:52 I was thrown off by the 0 series shinkansen in the background, I didn't realize that any were in museums outside of Japan.
Yeah, it was a big deal with a lot of ceremony with caretakers coming over to present her to the museum, think there are documentaries on UA-cam on the move