All four of you failed to understand that them saying "a GOAT" and not "the GOAT" simply means that they're saying Sonix is ONE OF the greatest Ultimate Players all time, not exactly THE ABSOLUTE greatest. And if you disagree with that then I have nothing more to say to you. I actually do not like watching Sonix play in bracket, but he is a beast.
3:27 is such a sneaky good play. Sonix positions the homing attack by letting his spin dash go slightly off stage so his double jump pops him straight up. Had he jumped from the ground, he would have launched up and away and the HA would’ve missed (Leo would have been drifting perpendicular to its motion). And the best part is if Leo airdodged it and the HA didn’t lock on, it was facing right and would have landed Sonix on stage.
Nah, solo abusa de Sonic y su velocidad, eso sumado al lag y tiempo de respuesta en un juego online hace aún más difícil poder ganarle a alguien que sepa jugar decente o bien como Sonix
@@kaisendbd exactly, people are just mad that Sonix is good at abusing Sonic's strengths and hate both for a dumb reason. Hating how Sonic plays is fair
@@ryanrech107 i genuinely do appreciate every top player (exception of criminals), no matter their playstyle. i especially like looking at players like sonix and captincito because i want inspiration to keep myself calm and patient
Loved it when sonix went, “ Full speed ahead!” And proceeded to do the most INSANE edgeguards to Mkleo that I’ve ever see. GOOD STUFF TO SONIX. HE’S MY GOAT!!!
I was just talking to a couple friends about that, some of the phrases Leo uses are kinda hard to translate in a way they maintain their essence so translating into more proper words is funnier
Leo more comfortable being Pyra again finally, but man this match up always looks rough for Aegis even though it’s supposedly one of the best characters against Sonic
Sonic is a really meta breaking character, there’s no other character that has nearly the same tools that Sonic has, nor players that exploit them the way Sonix does It tends to be an awful experience to watch and play against That being said, whenever Sonix does go in and approach, it can be magic It’s unfortunate Sonix is a very campy player because when he plays aggressive, it is very entertaining
Unfortunately, you can't go aggressive all the time in this game if you pretend to win. Every character does it sometimes. But when a sonic does it, is more noticeable because is the most fastest character
Wdym unfortunate that's how you play sonic lol. Sonix does go kinda crazy though when he does play offensive. That's what makes sonix the best sonic, he knows when to play passively and aggressively
I can't believe that Sonic vs Aegis is even. Definitely losing for Aegis imo solely due to Sonic having good options against every recovery route against Aegis.
The main issue is that Aegis is hard to put in disadvantage for Sonic. They have range and frame data, which makes it hard to play the game Sonic plays best which is whiff punishing. Every punish has to be extremely tight in order to actually take advantage of your greatest asset against them. This also makes Aegis really hard to kill for Sonic, and Sonic already has killing issues. They also have a very oppressive advantage state that can put a choke hold on Sonic. I think it’s winning Aegis for these reasons Aegis : Neutral Advantage Kill power Range Frame data Mythra also has a higher initial dash which means she can catch him if the player predicts a run back. Sonic : Disadvantage/recovery Damage Straight line speed
I just picked up the game, loving Sonic so far, but I don't get it. These top players seem to never use those moves on the right joystick. Are they simply too slow and not worth it when people get better at the game? Or very situational?
The tiers don't really matter or do anything. Top players keep playing Aegis, whether as primary or secondary, and doing pretty good. Look at the Liquipedia page that shows major winners and runners up, and see how many times you can count that foxy redhead. I believe it's 8, about the same as Steve. Kazuya looks like 6, G&W 5, Cloud 3, and so on. The point is that Aegis isn't perfect, but they're a nontrivial fixture in the meta at least for now.
Leo and Sparg0 have both gone back and forth with Sonix in this matchup recently, with big set wins on both the Aegis side and the Sonic side. Maybe a few more on the Aegis side, but we're talking about Leo and Sparg0 here, which is to say the best of the best. It's got to be playable for both Aegis and Sonic. It seems to be more playable for Aegis than for Byleth, given how Byleth is too slow to ever track down Sonic. Cloud can't be all that bad, but it's nicer to have Mythra's speed if Sonic is being evasive. Mythra is one of the few characters in the game that can keep up with him. There is also maybe something nice about Aegis's curving aerial hitboxes if you are going air to air vs. Sonic in just the right way. The offstage vulnerability is a tradeoff that top players like Leo, Sparg0, and Shuton (whose Aegis has a good record against KEN's Sonic) have accepted. Note that Sparg0 also beat KEN's Sonic with Aegis at Kagaribi#10, but it was 3-2, so the matchup seems to be tight but winnable with a few different player combinations.
The reason why sonic didn’t gat his sword Excalibur in smash is because it would be too broken for the fastest character in the game to have even more reach
Sonix' recovery at 1:30 was insane tho
Exactly this
Leo being way more consistent with the uploads and I’m all for it 🔥
he washed so he gotta go content creator mode 🥱 (im just messing around)
"He keeps gimping me over and over." Welcome to playing with Aegis.
Lol
Unpopular opinion i know but i gotta say i really enjoy watching Sonic in Smash especially pro players like Sonix
I definitely like watching Sonix most of the time compared to other Sonic players, his punish game is crazy
his bad reptation makes no sense.Peopl dont understand that when sonic starts "camping" its basically him playing neutral
Respect to Leo for uploading this video is all fun so far
idc how anyone feels about sonic as a character, sonix is a certified GOAT of the ultimate scene
you are valid but he aint even in consideration for my goat. all respect to him as a brilliant competitor
Why do people throw that word around so willy nilly
@@fupalover bc of agendas, wanting interactions, being a fan, or they straight lying u pick lol
@@onafets 😂 true tho. Goat is literally greatest of all time thats just leo for ssbu at least
All four of you failed to understand that them saying "a GOAT" and not "the GOAT" simply means that they're saying Sonix is ONE OF the greatest Ultimate Players all time, not exactly THE ABSOLUTE greatest. And if you disagree with that then I have nothing more to say to you. I actually do not like watching Sonix play in bracket, but he is a beast.
Sonix moment 9:25
That Leo art goes so fucking hard
3:27 is such a sneaky good play. Sonix positions the homing attack by letting his spin dash go slightly off stage so his double jump pops him straight up. Had he jumped from the ground, he would have launched up and away and the HA would’ve missed (Leo would have been drifting perpendicular to its motion). And the best part is if Leo airdodged it and the HA didn’t lock on, it was facing right and would have landed Sonix on stage.
wow this channel has really blown up recently good job leo
Yo 9:26 is like some M2K melee edge guard! Sick!
The best irl vs the best online player
Funny bc that’s the same player and his name is Spargo
@@akap Yeah your name is Ultrank or OrionRank , that's why you say this
Leo not the best no mo
@@akap idk man Acola has only lost two majors in the past 2 months. That's the same number that Sparg0 has won
@@Vuden13 Imagine being this wrong
it's easy to hate Sonic, but Sonix is such a good player he deserves some recognition
@@NotAI69420and you suck and go nowhere no matter the character you play, so let’s shed light on people that do good things with characters
@@NotAI69420 and you just have shown that you are a part of the problem with certain smash players
Nah, solo abusa de Sonic y su velocidad, eso sumado al lag y tiempo de respuesta en un juego online hace aún más difícil poder ganarle a alguien que sepa jugar decente o bien como Sonix
@@kaisendbd exactly, people are just mad that Sonix is good at abusing Sonic's strengths and hate both for a dumb reason. Hating how Sonic plays is fair
He used to be a heavy camper tho. Don’t forget that.
my two favorite players fighting each other. such a sight :D
You have to be trolling.
@@burnpisces7733 what, i cant enjoy my favorite players fighting each other?? get a new hobby bro.
@@Ecl1ps3_YT he’s probably saying you’re trolling because you like sonix
@@burnpisces7733 what's wrong with liking sonix? Aye he my favorite player too and im a sonic main
@@ryanrech107 i genuinely do appreciate every top player (exception of criminals), no matter their playstyle. i especially like looking at players like sonix and captincito because i want inspiration to keep myself calm and patient
Idk why *cries in spanish* was so funny to me😂😂
Really enjoying the frequent uploads lately
Loved it when sonix went, “ Full speed ahead!” And proceeded to do the most INSANE edgeguards to Mkleo that I’ve ever see. GOOD STUFF TO SONIX. HE’S MY GOAT!!!
Is this mf trolling?
I really enjoyed your playing. You make me feel you really happy and enjoy the game, even in competition. Not just doing work❤
3:54 you who doesnt get gimped by sonic like that though? corrin
I want the corrin back :(
How does corrin avoid getting gimped?
@@Mystprism better diagonal recovery
Lol... The subtitles are PG..... While what he be saying is R rated.
I was just talking to a couple friends about that, some of the phrases Leo uses are kinda hard to translate in a way they maintain their essence so translating into more proper words is funnier
Leo more comfortable being Pyra again finally, but man this match up always looks rough for Aegis even though it’s supposedly one of the best characters against Sonic
Sparg0 makes it look pretty good ngl
It does not seem to me that MK played at his best in these matches. It shows in his recoveries and misinputs like 6:28
The match up is even. It’s a skill issue on Leo’s part.
@@grimxdisstracks3178 yep
Cries in spanish
Sonix is a top 10 player forsure
Best player lost to a 1 meter tall hedgehog who be” kickin butt fast, puttin on a show”
My two favorites, mkleo and sonix❤
Btw i dont care what people say, sonic can be pretty good. Sonix and Ken prove it daily
It’s very easy to hate Sonic, but it’s also very hard to like Sonic
Nah sonic is cool
@@H20overflow -in his own series
Sonic is a really meta breaking character, there’s no other character that has nearly the same tools that Sonic has, nor players that exploit them the way Sonix does
It tends to be an awful experience to watch and play against
That being said, whenever Sonix does go in and approach, it can be magic
It’s unfortunate Sonix is a very campy player because when he plays aggressive, it is very entertaining
Yea, people will learn
Bayo is also one of them mark my words
Just Ban Steve
Unfortunately, you can't go aggressive all the time in this game if you pretend to win. Every character does it sometimes. But when a sonic does it, is more noticeable because is the most fastest character
Wdym unfortunate that's how you play sonic lol. Sonix does go kinda crazy though when he does play offensive. That's what makes sonix the best sonic, he knows when to play passively and aggressively
you have to mix it up between on and off like most characters
sonix wifi warrior
Crrying in Spanish LOL
Goats runs into goat
Holy shit Sonix is sooooo good its actually ridiculous
Everybody gangsta till they run into someone online who's tag is a girl's name
LFG LEO VS SONIX
Yo,was it on Twitch? 😮
The Aegis dub is real 🎉
What gamecube controller do you use?
Sonic online, gotta love it haha. GG carbon/El Rey jajajaja
That intro was fire 😁
Le iba a Sonix todo el rato.
I can't believe that Sonic vs Aegis is even. Definitely losing for Aegis imo solely due to Sonic having good options against every recovery route against Aegis.
Yeah but Aegis has the tools to fuck sonic up when they have the advantage
@@jaydenhohman2590 Ehhh same as Sonic though
@@BlastPKMN Yeah that's why it's even lol they fuck each other up in different aspects
The main issue is that Aegis is hard to put in disadvantage for Sonic. They have range and frame data, which makes it hard to play the game Sonic plays best which is whiff punishing. Every punish has to be extremely tight in order to actually take advantage of your greatest asset against them. This also makes Aegis really hard to kill for Sonic, and Sonic already has killing issues. They also have a very oppressive advantage state that can put a choke hold on Sonic. I think it’s winning Aegis for these reasons
Aegis :
Neutral
Advantage
Kill power
Range
Frame data
Mythra also has a higher initial dash which means she can catch him if the player predicts a run back.
Sonic :
Disadvantage/recovery
Damage
Straight line speed
sonix is too good
Ain't no way I'm playing against sonic in my free time. That is the least fun sounding thing.
Do you now see how much potential and power sonic has
I got the down smash read on the punish for 10% what do I win?
Singed autograph from mkleo stating that you are most most intellectual smash player in the world
He thought for a second he was using byleth
I just picked up the game, loving Sonic so far, but I don't get it. These top players seem to never use those moves on the right joystick. Are they simply too slow and not worth it when people get better at the game? Or very situational?
6:30
Mkleo: me trolearon 😭😭
I fing hate Sonic but sonix is just so insanely good
Leo getting wrecked by sonix
Aegis have such a bad recovery they should almost slide to A or B tier
No.
lol
The tiers don't really matter or do anything. Top players keep playing Aegis, whether as primary or secondary, and doing pretty good. Look at the Liquipedia page that shows major winners and runners up, and see how many times you can count that foxy redhead. I believe it's 8, about the same as Steve. Kazuya looks like 6, G&W 5, Cloud 3, and so on. The point is that Aegis isn't perfect, but they're a nontrivial fixture in the meta at least for now.
Leo por que cuando hablas ingles no pones subtítulos pero cuando hablas en español si lo haces
I appreciate the nod to Samsora is still at the end of the videos. Back in the days when Joker destroyed his Peach lmao
Pero por q no cambio de personaje si le dieron una palisa con sonic a pyra y mitra?
Buen video Mario Kart Leo
Aún recuerdo cuando eras el mejor del mundo...
He’s still the king 👑
@@kava3957 see
Yessir the goats
mkleo
Opinion on nairo beating an iron man
Lmao you don’t have to translate “Gracias 😂 honestly forgot that was Spanish
Batalla de los Latinos. Viva Mexico 🇲🇽
Poyo
cool
Is this match-up heavily favored towards sonic?
Sonic's 2nd worst MU after Fox
@@rizvan1632 Isn't this like even tho?
@@jaydenhohman2590 yeah it is
Leo and Sparg0 have both gone back and forth with Sonix in this matchup recently, with big set wins on both the Aegis side and the Sonic side. Maybe a few more on the Aegis side, but we're talking about Leo and Sparg0 here, which is to say the best of the best. It's got to be playable for both Aegis and Sonic. It seems to be more playable for Aegis than for Byleth, given how Byleth is too slow to ever track down Sonic. Cloud can't be all that bad, but it's nicer to have Mythra's speed if Sonic is being evasive. Mythra is one of the few characters in the game that can keep up with him. There is also maybe something nice about Aegis's curving aerial hitboxes if you are going air to air vs. Sonic in just the right way. The offstage vulnerability is a tradeoff that top players like Leo, Sparg0, and Shuton (whose Aegis has a good record against KEN's Sonic) have accepted. Note that Sparg0 also beat KEN's Sonic with Aegis at Kagaribi#10, but it was 3-2, so the matchup seems to be tight but winnable with a few different player combinations.
Quiere llorar
MKcooked
A dónde inglés hablando español tan?
Pos es mexicano
Creo
Leo’s arc as the best in the world is surely 100% over now that he’s all in with Aegis.
That is such a stale take.
Aegis sucks!
ur2slow
Primer comantario! saludos LEO ! xd
The reason why sonic didn’t gat his sword Excalibur in smash is because it would be too broken for the fastest character in the game to have even more reach
*get
Hey I am on here because I would like to play against you mkleo reply if you are interested.
Sonic is gay and sonix is gayer
There is literally no way you're older than 12.
@@deadeyed2454cierto
3:39 "cries in spanish" 😂