My All Time Greatest Springbok XV
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2020
- This week I pick my all time greatest Springbok team. It was quite difficult to do this video as it is almost impossible to compare players from the amateur era with players from the modern era. This video should actually be called my favourite Springbok team of all time!
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Being a 21 year old Springbok fan, there are so many legends mentioned here that i never got a chance to watch. Maybe try do a "21st century" Springbok team? Would be awesome as a young viewer to see your perspective! Great video though!
Definitely a good idea, thanks!
professional era boks team
now immagine we sent in these boys at their peak as a team against the greatest All Black team ever. It will be the mother of all games.
Hennie Muller is still revered here in NZ! For years the dreaded pre season runs in NZ were called the ‘Hennie Miller’s’
Thanks man, although I don't necessarily agree with your selections, I still enjoyed the historical aspect of your critique.
I would have loved to see a greatest ever team made up of players from the amateur era before 1995 and another fantasy team made up of Boks post 1995 from when the professional era started. Very difficult to compare players across both eras when their competitors were also so different.
Because you picked Naas, Danie and Mannetjies, you get a thumbs UP!
I had read the HO de Villiers biography so many times at my school library that the librarian just ended up giving it to me. Still have it 30 years later. A biography of courage.
When naming my all time world 15 team I’m biased as a kiwi I pick mainly NZ and SA players
With you on Naas, master tactician with loads of big match temperament.
The best ever in my opinion
Carter doesnt even come close@@RealRugby
Thanks for compiling this incredible hypothetical dream team of the greatest Springboks ever to grace a rugby field. We are around the same age, and you jogged my memory with a few childhood heroes of mine, who in retrospect would be at least the equal of any modern era player. I therefore have to agree with your dream fifteen, we can only imagine how wonderful it would be to see all fifteen in the same team. Thanks for the memories!
I agree with the 95 try of Ruben Kruger. It's sad he passed away. I met him when5o was still a youngster. His rugby and personality was the best ever. He was down to earth and tough as nails.
Looking at this list I feel so bad only being born in 1991. Missed all these guys play.
Don't worry mate, he doesn't even know half of them himself, and definitely never saw them play - he picked them of off what he had read about them on Google.
Herman what a dumb comment.
Are you intellectually bankrupt Herman? What a Dumbass !!!!
@@Herman-oy2tm What are statistics kept for if not put to later use? I have seen and heard many of his choice players play and believe you me he is fairly spot on bar for personal favourites from couch selectors like you and I.
Cant argue a lot with this team.
Really good list, I only differ in opinion on two minor places, I would put ptsd first as well as fourie du preez at least in the top two but your ranks for them weren't far off the money, really liking this channel, keep it up man
Good team, but I must ask how do we rate players that we hardly saw play? There is not much video evidence of those from the before the 1960's. Keep these videos coming. Really enjoy them.
Not a fair conparison Mitch. I've read a hell of a lot of books and over the years formed an opinion on players based on what other people like Doc Craven thought of them as well. I'm not necessarily just looking at playing ability, but also on a player's "status" in Springbok circles. Guys like Bob Loubser and Japie Krige's careers are well documented and they deserve a mention. Does it matter? No it doesn't...
@@RealRugby Your knowledge of Bok history is awesome, thank you for the videos.
I think it does matter, selecting a player based on a match report or on stories shared with a tint of nostalgia by his mate, is very different to watching a player go through good and bad days.
Take Percy, I watched that guy debut as a centre then play fullback and become a utility back. Then he left the country to almost a tone of mockery, only to come back and stake his claim as an ultimate fullback. And an incredible match winning kicker.
I just think witnessing greatness is worth more than hearing back in my day stories.
Again thank you for the videos much respect to you and the channel
I do not deny the players picked were world class in their time. But the game has changed and the skill level is now way beyond stars of sixty and a hundred years ago! Never the less we can give
Honour to players of yesteryear
Remarkably well considered team.I can go along with with it save for Uli Schmidt who is a very deserving choice.Malcom Marx anytime.Know you can’t do it on social media or in public but sitting down with knowledgeable friends and picking your worst side can be fun and heated at times.Thanks for a great program Werner.
Hennie Muller at 8! My dad watched rugby from his youthvtill he was 92 and he told me with all the seriousness that he could muster that he had never before or since seen a rugby player like Hennie Muller.
True story. The greatest ever
Carel du Plessis over mordt. Maybe PS D T at 7 ? Love the mention of Uli Schmidt , what a a player! Tight head difficult. Dont under estimate flippie v d merwe. Most obvious choice , Danie Gerber. Best player in SA history.
Brilliant team 👍
What I appreciate is the recognotion of the palyers from yesteryear, who are always not considered because the pundits were only watching the game from recent times.
Most of the players from previous eras did not play plenty of tests, although they were around for a long time in years. This is illustrated in the reasoning behind Habana vs HO for instance.
I am putting my team forward taking their international tests and their achievements into consideration(in these eras).
Take note prior to the RWC, All Blacks and Lions tours were considered the holy grail. Because of rugby being a team game, combinations were important in my consideration:
15. Heunis - great goalkicker, tactician, most versatile, speed, and a great defender as tackler, and the aerial ball. When he came into the line the opposotion had problems.Ultimate team man.
11. Carel du Plessis - poetry in motion. Had the ability to sense the opportunities. He created as many tries as he scored. Good defender as well.
12. Joggie Jansen - made the tackle that was heard around the world, whenbhe destroyed Cottrell in 1970. Absolute great defender and great distributor of the ball. Instrumental in '70 series win against NZ after '69/'70 debacle in Europe.
13. Gerber - Probably the best centre that ever played the game. Overshadowed Sella in '86 at Twickenham, made the Irish tackle themselves, made the English look like an u 16 team in 84, created havoc against the Cavaliers, the best backline player on the field with re-admission against the All Blacks at 34!
14. Kolbe - Like Mordt not very tall, but superfit, immensly powerful and fast. The ultimate athlete. Great defender as well. Can score from no hope positions
10. Naas Botha - game changer! All opposition feared him - the Lions in 1980, NZ in '81, '86 and 1992 and every team in between. Great tactician and decision maker.
9. Joost - Big and powerful. Opportunist like no other 9 ever. Great defender. He had no let up.
8. Hennie Muller - Revered around the world from Murrayfield in the North to NZ in the South. Was not called "Windhond" for nothing. Revolutionised 8th man play.
7. Theuns Stofberg - interplay between forwards and backs was unparralelled. Fast for a big man and unstoppable in contact. Forward with the closest thing to "flair"
6. Rueben Kruger. Few flankers could equal him on the ground, could lo what was required and much more. Unsung hero - Like Heunis the ultimate team man.
5. Matfield - best line out forward at four in the "lifting" era. Could run, dummy, chip kick and put grubbers through - very little he could not do.
4. Frik du Preez - the original enforcer - kept Mcbride, Meads and the other would be tough guys in his era in check. Danie Craven was of the opinion a side was not supposed to lose with him there. All time great. Was the precurser to Matfield, regarding running and the other skills, but he could drop and place kick at goal too!
3. Hannes Marais - a real strong man. You did not play 33 tests in his era without reason. Those were the days of hard forwards. The anchor.
2. Marx - Great scrummager. Is a dynamo in rucks and mauls. Can run well with the ball and his line out throws is spot on. Hard no nonsense attitude.
1. Os du Randt - his name often comes up when a "greatest" team selection is discussed. Whether it be all time, Springbok, RWC dream team, whatever, his name is there. He is revered world wide.
Except for Jansen and Kolbe the backline consists mainly of the most potent Springbok (1980's)
bacline ever. All at some stage payed with Botha, except the mentioned 2. Joost played a couple Northerns games with him. Consists of speed, defence , gamebreakers and versatility.
Typical SA pack - Could even by todays Springbok standards dominate, play wide and defend
You know your rugby history. Well done.
Liked your selection, I don't know your fullback well enough, might have rather gone with Gysie Pienaar or Johan Heunis there.
You surely know your rugby. I studied rugby for 59 years. My team is exactly as yours except I choose Carel du Plessis at no. 11.
Awesome video! I have an idea for your future video: 10 greatest Currie Cup (and maybe Super Rugby?) teams of all time, i.e. Western Province 82-86 :)
Great idea! I'll keep it in mind 👍🏻
Cool piece. No shortlist for 13. 100% agreed!
Uli was a joy to watch and played every game till the last whistle, but I reckon Bismark would give the team more power and go forward.
Great stuff as always Real Rugby. Here`s a challenge for you (perhaps on the 2 guys I just mentioned or chose your own comparisons) can you do some analysis to compare these players of different generations in terms of speed to breakdown, turnovers won, running meters, try assists etc.
I appreciate the support and kind words. The stats you want to see won't exist for players from the amateur era. I'm not really comparing players here, I'm picking a bunch of players based on my opinion alone, no stats
Would like to see your list now. Pollard has now won two World Cups
Fair point. This team will look significantly different. Maybe time for an update....
Great video. It’s difficult comparing players from such distinct time periods, I wonder if some classic greats would fare as well in the modern game or if they would be the same type of player. For example the role of the line out exponent lock ala Matfield didn’t exist back then.
Very true, and its probably not a fair comparison, but it was still fun!
Players by province:
Western Province - 31
Northern Transvaal - 26
Transvaal - 16
Natal - 12
Free State - 7
Boland - 4
Eastern Province - 3
Griquas - 2
SWD Eagles - 2
North Eastern Cape - 1
Rhodesia - 1
South West Africa - 1
Western Transvaal - 1
Great list. Really also liked Honiball, Hennie le Roux and even van Straaten on #10. But I don’t know the older guys as well. Couldn’t challenge on any other position. Nicely done.
Naas is Baas
Naas was levels better even than Dan Carter@@Mzansi74
Great Team!👏
As an AB fan it's nice to get a History lesson on our old foe, eternal rival.
I know SA were the best and had a sightly better record than us and against us till the 2000s. I know that SA originally had amazing runners and attackers. Your honourable mentions and picks at 15, 14, 8, 7, 4, 3, has given me some research to do lol
Good luck to anyone playing against that team.
Goeie span!
Top side you chose- all the guys you mention here were true greats in their prime 👍🏻 .Andre Joubert at no. 15 was obviously fantastic but he was unfortunately a bit suspect on defence though. HO was the best choice then , Pity Bob Skinstads career was cut so short - I agree. Juan Smith too was such an awesome player at his best , workhorse of note -tough as nails but not a first choice I agree- just a shame injuries hampered his career so badly.👍🏻
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I always learn something new when I watch your channel. Thank you for posting this. I can’t really debate you as I don’t know a number of players that you have mentioned. How do you know all of this?
LOL This will set the cat amongst the pigeons but you have done well with the team you picked. I have seen them all play - Danie Gerber was the best ever rugby player I saw. Jan Ellis & Frik Dupreez were also very, very good.
Awesome video. Really good research into springboks of old. Only one I disagree with is naas botha. Just an idea. Could you make a springbok world cup dream team? Basically a short list of the 3 world cup winning squads. So only including players that have received medals. I think that would be interesting.
Hi Neville. Thanks for the feedback. I did do a similar video on RWC winners, go check out the channel's video section. I picked from the 45 players that STARTED in the 3 RWC finals, not just the medal winners, so maybe I should do a revised video. Food for thought
@@RealRugby Awesome thanks. I'll look for that video.
Will be awesome if you could mak a renewal of the greatest Springbok team again, just to see where people like cheslin Colbe, Lukanyo Am, Franco Mostert and Frans Melherbe fits in under top 10 positions.
That's a good idea! These videos are fun, but opinions can change very quickly...
Naas is not only the greatest Springbok fly half of all time, he is the greatest fly half the world has ever seen
Never seen him play, is he better than Dan Carter?
@@HenryDube72 yes
@@HenryDube72 .. absolutely.. Naas is Baas.
.. I absolutely agree with you. People talk about his kicking and being scared to tackle, but his vision, reading and understanding of the game is like none who’s played the game. His boot did do the talking, but no one could send a back line away like Naas, and he was always there ready to receive the pass. Left foot, right foot, Highveld or coast, rain or sunshine.. he could boot it over from everywhere. A match winner in the Shane Warne mould. With the rugby the Springboks play today, Naas would’ve been the first to a 1000 international points. Even if he started at the same time as Carter, he would’ve gotten there first, and would still hold the record for most points scored. Naas’a job wasn’t to tackle… His job was to Win
Not if your jersey number is greater than 10
I would put Duane Vermeulen as my No. 8 with Hennie Muller and Jan Ellis on the flanks . Vermeulen is an impressive player who has dominated every opposition in World rugby. Big, strong and powerful, with good vision in reading play. No way could he ever be excluded from the top Springbok XV.
Wahl Bartman and AJVenter on flank. Morne at 8
Excellent team selection overall. Your analysis rules supreme!!
Pssst. Can you make a list of your starting xv made of one-hit wonders or underrated players?
Psssst... already working on a one cap Springbok team...
great, thanks, I enjoyed that. Whose on the bench ? Bomb squad !
Great team man, you just forgot the legend DOMKRAG( Frans ) Erasmus at Loosehead. Nag ou Grootte!
Awesome team
Steve sings about Ruben! I was waiting for Jan Ellis and you said it!!!! Number ¹!!! yes yes Love him
I can only count the last 60 years because unfortunately there is so little archive footage from the 50s back. So my personal all time team would be...
1. Os. 2. Bismarck. 3. Malherbe. 4. Frik. 5. Matfield. 6. Pieter Steph. 7. Ellis. 8. Morne. 9. Joost. 10. Naas. 11. Habanna. 12. Gerber. 13. Fourie. 14. Kolbe. 15. Heinus
Great team - really unlucky ones Carel, John G & Eben E I would guess…..
Seems a bit Pretoria orientated but not bad . My team - Joubert, Mordt, Habana, Gerber, Roux, Hannibal, vd Westhuizen, Morne du Plessis, Venter, Rob Louw, Matfield, du Preez, Hempies, Bismark, Os
great fullbacks i agree
Oh gosh, Last comment I promise. I agree with the 15's. André was more of an all round back. Might have picked Percy above him though.
Hennie Muller, "Die Windhond"
I M O, there was no way Ruben Kruger did not score that try in the first 10 minutes of the '95 RWC final. Kudus to Francois Pienaar's captaincy for keeping ftheir motivation up !!
Jy ken jou rugby. Ek stem 100% saam met jou keuse. Welgedaan.
Very goog team. Centers - Gerber and Roux are both the same sort of player and you need a steady guy alongside Gerber like Jean de Villiers or John Gainsford
Flyhalve - Botha the nr 1 , but at nr 2 no one better than Visagie
Probably better nr3 frontrow than du Toit - Hannes Marais, Hempies
Nr 2 - I think there is better ones like John Smith, Bismark and Marx
Thanks 18:55
To me every man has his own idea about who the best is and it is extremely difficult to pick, especially across decades and changed rules as well as amateur vs semi professional to professional. Skills changed and so did the way the game was played.
Out of the team, I see five people only who I suspect would feature in most peoples' top 15. To me these 5 would not be debateable.
1. Os du Randt - never been and still have not seen any loosehead in the world with the work rate of Os at his best.
2. Jan Ellis - the super fit Springbok with the incredibly big hand and lost of pace to burn.
3. Hennie Muller - Fast, agile and intelligent. A player that had the rugby brains look at the rule book to try counter his ability to destroy backlines on defence.
4. Naas Botha - the biggest rugby general we ever saw in Springbok rugby. His ability to read the game was immense and he could not be rattled.
5. Danie Gerber - Need I say anymore about Danie. Perfect centre n attack with an eye for a gap and a swerve that left you for dead....every time!
The rest of the team is totally debateable, even the position of a legend like Frik du Preez, whom I personally would not pick in an all-time bok team :)
Thanks Hansie. You are right, its always debatable and very subjective. It also depends on who you support, for instance Northern Transvaler tend not to like someone like Morne du Plessis and WP supporters hated Naas. Topics like this should actually be "what is my favourite team" because there will never be consensus. Everyone in SA think they are a rugby expert (me included). At the end of the day everyone has their own opinion and I'm happy if people debate me, its just a bit of fun. Thanks for the feedback!
1) OS 2) Marx 3) Franz Malherbe 4) Eben 5) Matfield 6) Burger 7) PSDT 8) Thor 9) JVDW 10) Naas 11) Habana 12) De Allende 13) Fourie 14) Kolbe 15) Pierce M.
🇨🇭❤️ Springbok's!
Man, Joost over Fourie.... tough call
The greatest wing is a player who never played for the Boks Niel Burger. I haven't seen any wing beside Lomu who scored tries like Niel Burger
This list is pretty much spot on, which is commendable given how much legendary talent we've been blessed with in SA. But Uli Schmidt ahead of all those other hookers? I think not. Yes, a fantastic rugby player - almost revolutionary in the way he approached the game - but not the complete package, particularly in the scrums compared to some of the guys you left out. Hell, John Smit's game was similar to Uli's, except he also happened to be stronger in the scrums and then there's the small matter of captaining the Boks in 83 of his 111 Tests (and snapping up a World Cup trophy to boot).
It's hard for me to comment on anyone prior to the late 70s, but if you're looking from then on, I think it's just about impossible to find a better hooker than Bismarck du Plessis. At his peak - a period of about 5-6 years - he was not just the best hooker in the world but possibly the best forward on the planet. At that time, Bismarck really was the complete hooker: better than anyone else in the tight loose, absolutely dynamic in loose/broken play (including being one of the best support runners I've ever seen), near perfect on defense, the best lineout thrower in the world, and possibly among the 3 best scrummaging hookers of the professional era (at Test level, at least). Probably the strongest man on the field whenever he stepped on it, yet had a tremendous (and often underrated) rugby brain which allowed him to read the game and make game-changing plays or reorganize his own teammates on the fly almost as a matter of habit. During his time in a Bok jersey, the All Blacks respected many of our guys, but if you asked them (in secret and anonymously, of course) who they actually feared, it would be Bismarck, hands down.
And I say all that despite the fact that I actually strongly dislike Bismarck. But I don't have to like him to recognize his brilliance.
I can't disagree with youbon Bismarck. Fantasy teams are always a matter of debate and Uli was just a favourite of mine. For his size, he punched above his weight. Both world class players
You mentioned the contentious positions and their names. Andre Joubert at full back, Henry Honiball at fly half and Gary Teichmann at no 8. Those 3 players read the game from the back of their palm. Maybe I am biased and support the Sharks.... But I do believe they were greatest in their positions..... Watch videos of the 96 curry cup final.
Skinstad should never have made the list above Teichmann. He was a pretty boy who could run
30 seconds in to the video, I might not agree with you, but I still respect your opinion Let's see your pick.
15. H.O. de Villiers
14. Ray Mordt
13. Danie Gerber
12. Mannetjies Roux
11. Bryan Habana
10. Naas Botha
9. Joost van der Westhuizen
8. Hannie Muller
7. Jan Ellis
6. Ruben Kruger
5. Victor Matfield
4. Frik du Preez
3. Piet du Toit
2. Uli Schmidt
1. Os du Randt
Great team. Who would captain this XV?
Seriously good side! Out of that team, I think you would have to go with Hennie Muller as captain
Great team - no doubt!! No issues with HO Habana and Mordt; Gerber one of the greatest players of all time. Roux was great but looking at a pure 12 Joggie Jansen deserves a mention. He and Ryk Van Schoor took tackling to another level! I would play De Villiers there, great #12, and astute leadership. At 10 Naas had no peer but I do believe given time Pollard may challenge him. But Naas is still King! SH imagine a team with Joost starting and Fourie coming off the bench!! Loose forwards I do have an issue I do think Krige was great but IMO Greying, Schalk, Rob Louw were better. BUT give Steph Du Toit a few more years he will be revered like Ells, and I would have him in the starting XV! Locks no issue. At Tight head if we are talking straight strength the strongest man to ever play for the Boks was Anndy MacDonald - the man killed a lion with his bare hands!! but for me, Chris Koch was the ultimate prop with Os Du Randt. Hooker now here is a real contentious one who was better? Uli or Bismarck? Great players no doubt Smit was a great hooker but also a great leader. Having said this though had Uli's career been after isolation he would be the best. So agree with this choice. Fascinating! But we are in the modern game so let's look at a bench: 5/3 split - Frans Steyn Handre Pollard Fourie Du Preez John Schalk Burger Piet Du Toit Beast Bakkies and Vermuelin. Now there's a bench!!
Awesome feedback, and you are right, its so difficult to pick between these players. I can't fault any of your suggestions, all champions!
1. Os Du Randt
2. Uli Schmidt
3. John Smit
4. Bakkes Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Pieter-Steph Du toit (Abit of a head scratcher but i need a huge and aggressive Flanker who shows a lot of versatility. you can put juan smith but I’m going with dutoit
8. Duane Vermuelen
9. Fourie Du Preez
10. Henny Honiball
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Danie Gerber
14. JP Pieterson
15. Percy Montgomery
I know most of my comments will be based off me disincluding the du plessis brothers and having du toit at 7. but i have my reasons
Smit wasn't a better player than Jannie, Burger would be classified as an openside. Honniball over botha? montgomery over joubert?
Ray mordt over jp pietersen.
Chris Pope right wing and Peter Whipp SA best centre and 2nd only to the great Mike Gibson of Ireland of all time.
Eben Olivier and Willie Du Plessis were brilliant too.Great choices though especially HO DV
Imagine Whipp and Gerber together frightening for any opposition.Peter to set Danie up.Try every time
Good choises ; Juba,Uli Schmidt, Joost, Naas, Danie Gerber,Bakkies/Victor, Burger Geldenhuis and Thys Lourens (capt)..
Did u say who yr captain was???? 🤔🤔🤔
HO de Villiers surely was the most exiting fullback. Hennie Muller (Windhond) must be at No. 8 and also the captain.
Agree on Joost!!!
Pretty good spread over the decades. One major disagreement. You say Naas won the matches, all the forwards had to do is provide possessionMost players look good when they play behind a brilliant pack of forwards. Now As you can guess I am not from Pretoria but from the home of good back line play.
Noord-Transvaal voor, Naas op losskakel en 'n WP agterlyn.
Pas my enige dag.
Yes you are right but some looked even better. WP often had a better pack of forwards when Naas was playing but Naas had that BMT that made him the match winner that he was. Like or dislike him teams that had Naas mostly won.
How about showing some lion cup and mnet night series game highlights? Also do you remember the North v South mnet arranged game in the late 80’ or early 90’s
I do. I have a couple of North vs South games and a bunch of Lion Cup and M-Net Nite Series games
Real Rugby on the channel? I will go look for it. Big Lions fan. the lion cup and nite series was good viewing. I remember going to those games
@@homerwc No, not on the channel, we haven't showed any of those games
Real Rugby I can’t wait until you upload them. Do you remember Hennie Wiggitt Promising Transvaal player until injury ended his career
Not a Naas fan but I can't argue his inclusion. One of the best lists ever. The only exception is Bob Skinstad above M du Plessis, Tiaan, and Gary. Pity no place for Oom Boy Louw.
And nobody even talks about Andy MacDonald the lion killer who Colin Meads said was the finest specimen of a man he had ever seen. Andy was seen to be fighting the whole AB lineout when the rest of the coward Springbok forwards had their tails between their legs.
John Smit said Percy wouldn't make his all time XV because of his 'perfect locks' 😂
Percy was absolutely brilliant and often does not receive the credit he deserved.
Hahahahaha
Tough to leave schalk. Burger out 22:42
You know it's stiff competition when Schalk only makes 7th place. So hard to compare eras
Could have easily been in top spot. What a player! Maybe I should do this by decade...
@@RealRugby Should you this by decade it would be interesting. Another topic, who do you deem to be your five best captains of all time? Now, it becomes a bit tricky, because some of the best captains did not make your "best squad".
@@christoels8110 good captains don't always make the best players (like Pienaar and Smit), but in no specific order, I think 5 great Springbok captains were Dawie De Villiers, Hennie Muller, John Smit, Morne Du Plessis and Philip Nel
I'm sorry, 32k almost 33k subs, 2ok views, and only 259 likes.... Seems odd.
What about the players that are playing now
What about them? I mentioned a couple of the current players
Ek stem 100% saam met you top spelers.
Volgens my was Joost die beste rugby speller ooit.
Liked your selection, I don't know your fullback well enough, might have rather gone with Gysie Pienaar or Johan Heunis there. Just checked HO out and he did not score a single try for the boks. Not a good stat for a full back.
Players of yesteryear given the same training/diet, etc would have been as good/hard/skilled/ as present day players
SA are like NZ it's very difficult to really pick the best ever when there's been so many good players over the years I'm a hardcore AB supporter but my favourite SA players were probably Bryan Habana and Danie Gerber it's a pity Gerber was around mainly during SA isolation waste of a player I would even pick him ahead of Brian O'Driscoll who is considered the greatest centre
I get what you did with the team and players from before 1980 that were outstanding back in the day, but none of them from 40, 50, 60, 70 years ago would have an impact today. As an example, the guy you picked on fullback would struggle today to even make a Super rugby team, let alone play for the Boks.
Some team that's for sure, I'm not SA but I've seen a lot of rugby and I think that team is pretty spot on, just a slight quibble in that you said that Matfield who was a great player and deserves his spot was better than Frik du Preez, sorry but he or anyone else for that matter wasn't, Frik was a freak just like Gerber . I'm British and people tend to pick modern players in their top ten understandably so , but that doesn't mean they are right, there have been remarkable players in the past but in some cases they were in poor teams not least some of the English teams of the Amateur era and some of the long forgotten talent from the Pacific Islands .
Great team so difficult to let anyone out, but i would Schalk on flank with Ellis, and Van vollenhoven with Habanna on wing , thanks
Agree with a number of selections but interesting enough all the rather close decisions you went for the Blue Bulls players. You were chosing best player per position but said Fourie was better scrumhalve , Joost was a better overall player perhaps but Fourie was the best scrumhalve - stay true to what you were chosing on the video. 8/15 Blue Bulls ???
No one will agree with my selections. Its just a bit of fun Dirk, what difference does it make if I picked 15 Bulls players? Its just my opinion, no one has to agree with it
@@RealRugby Sorry if it seems like I am having a dig at you, rugby is too nice a sport to "fight” over it. The problem is that you have to read up on the old legends because there is very limited footage, I always try to ask my father whether he saw this or that player , he is 80. I would have chosen a few moe WP players because I m a Stormers supporter. Have you done something on the dirtiest SA rugby players , not Springboks per se but SA rugby players. You dont have to bad mouth anyone just for fun. You will be able to choose a few Bulls as well. 😜
80s WP and bulls would havedestroyed the Prime Crusaders imo
Do a professional era xv
Juan Smith, Jacque Fourie, Francois Steyn and Bryan Habana gotta be there.
Jaque Fourie ahead of Gerber??????
@@RealRugby Fair enough, I've never actually watched Gerber play. But of the modern out of isolation era Fourie is my boy!
Modern era, I agree with you. But Gerber is the the greatest centre of all time in my honest opinion
No jaapie moulder?
Makes for good listening and healthy debate. Danie's not either a defensive centre, his attacking abilities are unquestioned so I'd put Jaques Fourie in at 12 to counteract this. If you're playing in the 70's and 80's Naas is your go to flyhalf, anything after that Henri Honiball. The 2 greatest SA all round game flyhalves imo, Henry and Handré Pollard. One cannot pick an all time greatest SA XV without No.6 Schalk Burger, he just took open side flank and general play to another level....sorry Jan Ellis. If you're going to have bacon, you must have eggs. Therefore Bakkies comes in at No.4 in place of Frik du Preez (a SA sentimental favourite). A team needs a specialist enforcer aka Bakkies Botha. Also a lock a 6.2 inches doesn't work for me. Bismark over Uli anyday. Bismarck was simply in a class of his own the world over in his position as well as an enforcer. Uli was great, but Bismark was better. At No.3 H. Koch or Hempies du Toit at tighthead for me. They refused to go back. Hempies had that harregat attitude !!
All valid arguments. Could have picked any of those players
When you picked HO at Fullback I knew this was not going to be a young man's idiot modern day list. This bar Tom von Vollenhoven pairing Habana on wing would be my team as well. Though I would insist on Frik playing flanker instead of Kruger so Bakkies can be lock-partner with Matfield (he should have no problem there).
Naas was tremendous, but , with him at flyhalf, those 2 amazing centers might as well stay on the bench.
Jip, Naas never passed. That's why Danie Gerber, Ray Mordt and Carel du Plessis never scored any tries
Naas was an outstanding running flyhalf, renowned for that at school level. He just played on a blue bulls team that efffctively used the 10 man game. When he played for the boks he often passed when they were in a good position.
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Well responded. Lol
@@rlsuth Yes you never ever saw Naas pass bad ball. The good ball turned into tries and the bad ball either turned into meters gained or 3 points.
Cannot really fault you with your selection. Just a few points though. If back then defensive flyhalves were not the order of play, Henry Honiball should feature right up there as a flyhalf changing the typical style of flyhalf play. Secondly, give us the Northern Transvaal try scoring statistics with Johan Heunis at flyhalf compared to that of Naas Botha. Should make interesting reading. Then Uli (Boelie) Schmidt at hooker is an emotional choice for you. You also did not appoint your captain in the selected squad.
Thanks for the feedback Christo. At the end of the day, its my opinion and everyone will have a different point of view. Honiball was a great player and he attacked the gain line very differently than flyhalves before him, but he wasn't a general that could dictate the flow of the game. I also wouldn't back him to get points on the board in a tight game. I think Naas's strengths makes up for his lack of defense. On Uli - I don't think it was an emotional choice at all, for me he was the best hooker that ever played for the Springboks. If it wasn't for isolation and amateurism, he could have played 80+ tests. Very strong for a small guy and one of the fittest players on the park. I loved watching him play. If I had to pick a captain from this lot, it would be Naas. He was a strategic genius and he knew how to lead his teams. Team mates didn't always like him, but they reacted to him and he didn't really tolerate failure. I thought he was a good captain. But again, just my opinion
@@RealRugby Thank you for the feedback and explanation. It makes for interesting reading. Clearly you make an in depth study of the players and the game which is appreciative when reaching laymen like myself. I recall Naas once said in an interview that Michael du Plessis was the most clever player he ever had the privilege of playing with. What is your take on that? How would you rate Gys Pitzer, if at all? Thank you for the interesting postings.
@@RealRugby Just a thought, Honiball was a great player who was entrusted with the goal kicking against the 97 Lions against his will. He was a weak link there. I think the old addage of "kickers win matches" applied there to us losing that series. The Boks scored more tries than the Lions but converting them and also penalties was a huge problem.
Great choice with the exception of Ruben Kruger. In and era of absolutely great flanks, Pieter Steph stands out. Even taking World player of the year, speaks volumes.
sjoe!! Tough call. But in my heart, Reuben was the true "fetcher",, No argument here though!!
@@garynash6724 i would pick burger geldenhuys
Piet Visage was a more complete flyhalf. Naas most potent boot was the only advantage
Naas Botha?
Hoe kan mens hierdie span kies en nie die reëlveranderings, amateurs/proffesionele status in ag neem nie? Hennie Muller, Piet du Toit en Frik du Preez het totaal ander rugby gespeel as Habana, Joost en Os.
Jy vat hierdie heeltemal te ernstig op, dis net n bietjie pret, dis al
Ettiene Botha was never a springbok I think Botha and gerber was the best centres
Kolbe not being in top 10 is an interesting choice…