Multi-variable Optimization & the Second Derivative Test

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  • @DrTrefor
    @DrTrefor  4 роки тому +39

    Note that the conditions of the 2nd derivative test should also demand the 2nd partials are CONTINUOUS.

  • @ossahmadrezaazimikohnabi5108
    @ossahmadrezaazimikohnabi5108 6 місяців тому +6

    I love that I live in an era where when I get confused studying my text book I can just come yo UA-cam and have someone explain the same thing to me in 3D.
    Thank Dr, great lecture.

  • @Mobinahere
    @Mobinahere 3 роки тому +50

    This playlist is, without a doubt, FASCINATING! Thank you!

  • @randompianonoises767
    @randompianonoises767 3 роки тому +44

    SO THAT'S WHAT THE MIXED PARTIALS ARE FOR THANK YOU SIR

  • @zeeshanmouzam5831
    @zeeshanmouzam5831 4 роки тому +27

    THE BEST explanation.....I bet none of my teachers (in India) can even think of this...

    • @amansingh-ww2qc
      @amansingh-ww2qc 3 роки тому

      Yes bhaai isilie India m koi maths m accha nhi karta bas rat Lete h underlying cheej koi nhi samjhaata ratwaa dete h

    • @Ck-ej6dy
      @Ck-ej6dy 3 роки тому

      None😂
      Kuch v bhai

    • @adityashingne7808
      @adityashingne7808 3 роки тому +1

      Not quite true… my professor did an excellent job

    • @mohamedirshaathm32123
      @mohamedirshaathm32123 Рік тому +3

      U are from India and I am from India lets change it brother atleast in next generation....🔥🔥🔥

    • @archismandas7760
      @archismandas7760 Рік тому +2

      @@mohamedirshaathm32123 the correct mindset 💪

  • @陳力歐-d2d
    @陳力歐-d2d 3 роки тому +11

    The mixed partial derivative fxy=fyx is the concavity on the line x=y, explained in 10:30, is great.
    Thank you.

  • @jonpritzker9709
    @jonpritzker9709 Рік тому

    Dang, I posted two comments here, first one I thought I was so clever because your diagram and explanations were so clear I got the idea before you said the words ....... but then you said exactly the words ...... and the second comment was a question ....... and then you explained that question. You are an excellent teacher

  • @chyldstudios
    @chyldstudios 4 роки тому +28

    Clear explanation of mixed partial derivatives. More videos on the Hessian matrix and its applications.

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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    • @OrionConstellationHome
      @OrionConstellationHome 3 роки тому

      Where is the video "Hessian matrix and its applications"? Please give a link to it. Thanks.

  • @christianondo9637
    @christianondo9637 9 місяців тому +1

    great explanation. having visuals in 3D is sooo important to understanding multivariable calc

  • @BrytonWA
    @BrytonWA 2 роки тому +5

    Thank you for the intuitive explanation of the mixed second partial derivative and what it is representing. I took some time sitting and contemplating on my own before I came to a similar conclusion. It's nice to hear some confirmation of that!

  • @sestro4233
    @sestro4233 21 день тому +1

    Bro is the reason that I can procrastinate. 5 hours of studying in 13 mins...

  • @badrmoubile9219
    @badrmoubile9219 Рік тому +2

    For the people who don't understand the pink part, it is just the result of the Hessian 2x2 matrix. that you solve by doing, a.d-b.c

  • @aashsyed1277
    @aashsyed1277 3 роки тому +1

    so that is what it has application! thanks! you explain like 100x better my teacher.

  • @riyaverma4724
    @riyaverma4724 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you so much! Your videos are helping me survive multivariable calculus :)

  • @sazdaz1955
    @sazdaz1955 4 роки тому +4

    Exceptionally good and easy to follow explanation! I was having trouble understanding how to interpret the calculation for the 2nd derivative test and this definitely helped a lot.

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @dilekpusat8248
    @dilekpusat8248 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for clear and engaging teaching. It was wonderful.

  • @isakwatz11
    @isakwatz11 3 роки тому +6

    thanks man! never knew what mixed partials are supposed to mean but you made it crystal clear! :D

  • @GoutamDAS-ls1wb
    @GoutamDAS-ls1wb 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks so much Professor Bazett for this excellent, lively presentation! You convey your enthusiasm to your audience. They are helping me so much as I review multivariable calculus being offered on edX. I am very, very grateful.

  • @joaomattos9271
    @joaomattos9271 Рік тому

    Fantastic way of teaching!!! I recommend the classes here in Brazil!

  • @hareshwedanayake7427
    @hareshwedanayake7427 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much! You are such a great teacher. This simplified this topic so much for me

  • @noctua7771
    @noctua7771 4 роки тому +4

    This is the best explanation I've ever seen. Thank you my man!

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @azbebggddef
    @azbebggddef 2 роки тому +1

    im korean college student and thank you for your hing class lecture.

  • @thinhvucuong4089
    @thinhvucuong4089 4 роки тому +3

    Great video!! I really looking forward to your new video in this topic. Thank you!

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @翰翰-u6w
    @翰翰-u6w 3 роки тому

    This Video is awesome that I can clearly understand this concept.
    I truly love the calculus!!!

  • @NumbToons
    @NumbToons Рік тому +3

    I nominate you for Nobel Prize.

  • @marflem12
    @marflem12 4 роки тому

    Thanks for that. always struggled to find an intuitive understanding for the mixed 2nd pd. and its' significance. Think you nailed it. Thank you.

  • @aidenstonehouse9651
    @aidenstonehouse9651 Рік тому +1

    Please can you make a video just on mixed partials - graphically what is going on. I still do not understand.

  • @shefalichoudhary3082
    @shefalichoudhary3082 Рік тому

    Thank you So much... Very Easy and Perfect Explanation.. Really Helpful video

  • @tpsashok
    @tpsashok 9 місяців тому +1

    Very helpful! Thanks 👏👏👏

  • @HermanToMath
    @HermanToMath 4 роки тому +1

    I love your intuitive explanation! :-D

  • @sergiolucas38
    @sergiolucas38 3 роки тому +1

    nice video, very straightforward, detailed explanation :)

  • @nadaabdelkhalek3844
    @nadaabdelkhalek3844 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent explanation!

  • @bhaveshmutkure8150
    @bhaveshmutkure8150 3 роки тому +1

    Sir you are the best really 😇

  • @dhananjayjoshi3561
    @dhananjayjoshi3561 4 роки тому

    Really nice explanation... Waiting for more videos in this manner

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @AJ-et3vf
    @AJ-et3vf 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome video sir! Thank you!

  • @rlaajaj
    @rlaajaj 10 місяців тому

    I love how well you explain the intuition, you have an extremely pedagogical way of teaching maths!
    I had one doubt that I couldn't solve and confused me:
    Assume the function x^2 + y^2 + 3 xy
    It gives me fxx=2, fyy=2 and fxy=3 Hence fxx.fyy - fxy^2 = 4-9 = -5

  • @ycombinator765
    @ycombinator765 4 роки тому +2

    You are just awesome!!!
    I want to be this good in Maths... :)

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  4 роки тому +1

      Keep working at it, you'll get there!

    • @ycombinator765
      @ycombinator765 4 роки тому

      @@DrTrefor thank you!
      I am trying my level best.

  • @dvir-ross
    @dvir-ross 5 місяців тому

    Great explanation! Thanks

  • @tassneamosman6998
    @tassneamosman6998 4 роки тому +3

    wait can someone explain how at min 10:05 he gets the line x=y, f(x,x)=-x^2? Like idk if my brain is just fried but i do not see where that's coming from and now suddenly my mouse is hovering over the "withdraw from MATH 1320" option in my enrollment portal.

    • @tassneamosman6998
      @tassneamosman6998 4 роки тому +2

      nevermind yall i just needed a nap i figured it out

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @skymer5108
    @skymer5108 3 роки тому +1

    Great video! Thanks for the explanation

  • @amansingh-ww2qc
    @amansingh-ww2qc 3 роки тому +1

    Sir kasam s English m likh k feeling nhi aayega , mzaa AAA gyaa kasam s

  • @olehborys1462
    @olehborys1462 Рік тому

    Great, thank you very much for this explanation

  • @michaelhuntington3545
    @michaelhuntington3545 Рік тому

    What is the connection for the formula to the derivative of the mixed partial matrix?

  • @syabongajele6431
    @syabongajele6431 3 роки тому +1

    wow very informative and very clear wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @cesarmoreno987y
    @cesarmoreno987y Рік тому

    Great video hope youre having a great day

  • @OpPhilo03
    @OpPhilo03 8 днів тому

    Thank you very much sir. all doubt clear . only i have a doubt on mix partial derivative and between their negative sign operation. and why overall quantity greater than zero. and if equal to zero then why inconclusive.

  • @MultiKB13
    @MultiKB13 3 роки тому +2

    Points where the partial derivatives don't exist also should be candidate points for the 1st derivative test right? For example, the point on a cone.

  • @toobanadeemali
    @toobanadeemali 10 місяців тому

    What should we do,if we encounter inconclusive condition?

  • @andreeacat7071
    @andreeacat7071 Місяць тому +1

    thank you so much

  • @OrionConstellationHome
    @OrionConstellationHome 3 роки тому

    ? from one of the comments below: Where is the video "Hessian matrix and its applications"? Please give a link to it. Thank You! Great job!

  • @paulwolter3186
    @paulwolter3186 2 роки тому

    What do the second derivative tests look like when the function has 3 or more independent variables?

  • @ahmedelsabagh6990
    @ahmedelsabagh6990 4 роки тому +1

    Clear and simple

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @ProfessionalAccount-d8c
    @ProfessionalAccount-d8c 9 місяців тому

    the best as always

  • @rogerhoefel8515
    @rogerhoefel8515 4 роки тому

    Great video, but I suggest to use convex/concave instead of down concave ....

  • @siddhanttomar2042
    @siddhanttomar2042 2 роки тому +1

    nice visualation

  • @Economics365
    @Economics365 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you sir

  • @experienceit-knowit
    @experienceit-knowit 3 роки тому

    Hi
    Will this work for 3 and 4 variable functions also? How to do in that case?

  • @ton146
    @ton146 3 роки тому

    I was reading another book on CAD/CAM where it is stated that the gradient vector gives the normal to a tangent plane at a point. I can provide the details of the book if required. I do not believe this to be true and so I am trying to resolve this apparent clash. Can you confirm whether or not the book statement is true or not to try and save me some time. Is there a special case where this might be true?
    Thanks
    Tony

    • @muthukumarr5217
      @muthukumarr5217 3 роки тому

      Yes, it is true. Gradient vector always gives the normal to the plane which is why you use to find the tangent plane at any point. Why did you believe it is not true?

    • @isakwatz11
      @isakwatz11 3 роки тому

      ​@@muthukumarr5217
      I'm not Tony Aimer but I found it counter intuitive at first. I would have thought the gradient pointed in the direction of speepest ascent / descent but later learned about the whole "normal" thing.

  • @samyakmahajan6828
    @samyakmahajan6828 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @qandos-nour
    @qandos-nour 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you 👍🏻

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @jayneelshah7609
    @jayneelshah7609 3 роки тому

    Great Explanation!
    I have a doubt though.. say my function is sinx+siny+sin(x+y) partial derivative w.r.t. x and y will be cosx+cos(x+y)=0 and cosy+cos(x+y)=0 respectively, now to find the critical points do I equate both the eqations and thus eliminate cos(x+y) or do I go by the general rule and expand the functions by addition formula? According to me, we should go by the second method as it is generalized but the first way also gives the correct answer...why is it so? Please Reply whenever you can.
    Thank You :)

    • @madghostek3026
      @madghostek3026 2 роки тому +1

      I think the first way is more of an trick, but totally works, both partial derivatives should be equal to 0 at some x,y, so in fact they will also be equal to each other. So you get cosx=cosy

  • @rameesmonk8986
    @rameesmonk8986 2 місяці тому

    so what happen if f_(xx) = 0

  • @mathveeresh168
    @mathveeresh168 5 років тому

    Great video ❤️

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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  • @Niglnws
    @Niglnws Рік тому

    I tried to figure out what fxy means so,
    We think of first derivative as difference in function as in the limit formula for derivatives.
    Think of the second derivative as difference IN DERIVATIVE.
    For local minimum the derivative was negative then the derivative was positive and positive minus negative is positive so when fxx is positive it is a local minimum.
    Now for fxy think of it as ok get the derivative with respect to x. Now we have a function fx (first derivative) so when we go in y direction, how the derivative of with respect to x changes.
    More clearly as in the example in the video, the derivative at x=0 is 0 as z does not change. But if we go some small distance in y you will find that when you subsitute in the fx (first derivative) with new values of y and SAME X, you will find that z has decreased !!! So it wasnt local minimum as fx said and it is clear in the visualization that the slope IS DOWNWARDS. SO WE HAVE SLOPE = 0 THEN SLOPE = NEGATIVE. AND NEGATIVE - 0 = NEGATIVE as we found mathematically that fxy is negative.
    It is like ok i am local minimum along x but am i higher in other directions? Like i am at the bottom of a house on a mountain, i can move only up my house or stay at the bottom but i cant move forward as i will fall (i am not at bottom at this point, there is a point more bottom than me).
    But i really dont get the meaning of fxx times fyy, what does their result say. But i think it does not tell something special other than that it is compared with fxy to see which is larger. Also i dont get why someone larger meaning suddenly something. 😅

  • @amansingh-ww2qc
    @amansingh-ww2qc 3 роки тому

    Love u sir ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ MAA kasam pyaar ho gya sir aapse

  • @kylevebar3909
    @kylevebar3909 3 роки тому +1

    Had to come back to this video lol, copied second derivative rule wrong with the equalities and it was a hard problem

  • @ruelmckenzie4616
    @ruelmckenzie4616 2 роки тому +1

    The content is good but the form of the presentation is destracting. Focusing back and forth on the presenter and the diagram and listening to a forceful voice is quite challenging for me.

  • @frosty8655
    @frosty8655 4 роки тому +1

    great video but i feel mic needs improvement.

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  4 роки тому

      oh man, the office I was in for filming this was SO BAD for sound. Much better set up these days.

    • @ricand5498
      @ricand5498 4 роки тому

      Agreed, the volume goes back and forth between too low and too loud

  • @continnum_radhe-radhe
    @continnum_radhe-radhe 2 роки тому +1

    🔥🔥🙏

  • @salmonsushi47
    @salmonsushi47 8 днів тому

    12:13 dont leave me on a cliff hanger :\

  • @maxamadomar5454
    @maxamadomar5454 11 місяців тому

    It became complex from saddle and forward

  • @josephhajj1570
    @josephhajj1570 5 років тому +6

    WOW

  • @quang.5613
    @quang.5613 4 місяці тому

    i wish i found this earlier AGAHAGGAGGAGAG

  • @yurailiesesay8317
    @yurailiesesay8317 Рік тому

    i want to understand marginal product

  • @emc2884
    @emc2884 3 роки тому

    Thank you very much sir keep growing up (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤♥╣[-_-]╠♥

  • @markbell8967
    @markbell8967 3 роки тому +1

    algo fuel

  • @sergiomanzetti1021
    @sergiomanzetti1021 3 роки тому

    Nice tutorial, but the acoustics is strange, it sounds like you are teaching from a bathroom or a cave.

  • @gholamrezasalarkarimi5005
    @gholamrezasalarkarimi5005 4 роки тому

    Dear sir you are speaking too fast, it is difficult to understand your standpoint of your statements for we foreigners. Please speak more slowly, why are you in hurry!

    • @beoptimistic5853
      @beoptimistic5853 4 роки тому

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