This Train Has A Manual Gearbox
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we got manual v12 mid engine trains before gta 6
Rowing gears while riding the rails. Hell yeah haha
we got manual v12 mid engine trains before even computers or GTA 1 :D
If anyone is surprised that the government contracted Tatra to make these rail cars, one thing to remember is that for at least 20 years before they made their first automobile, Tatra had been prolific in making making railway rolling stock, which was a majority of their business for the automobile, and continued to be up until the 70s or 80s if I am not mistaken! So these little diesel railcars were by no means their first foray into the world of railways, but rather a continuation of their storied history of railway production!
They made whole chassis for 460 pantograph unit, the company was called Studénka vagonka, Tatra was main producent for technologies, parts etc..
Thank you so much for the info. Great little insight to tatra past which I didn't know about
Yes I am
@@lukesmith8792 You’re welcome!!
Tatra made automobiles?
We used to call this railbus "Hurvínek". The units that replaced these had an engine from an actual bus and some are in service to this day in many different versions. Many people love to hate these railbusses, but they helped to preserve rural railways that would have been long closed without them.
As someone growing up on one of these rural railways who use 810 to get to school as kid I quite aoreciate it. And love them unconditionaly to this day.
I wonder how many nations did the same thing, it certainly happened in the UK with lorry engine and gearboxes then bus drivetrain, the frogs did too many drugs in the 60's and ended up with gas turbine railcars.
Not only the engine, but 4 speed hydromechanical transmision too, only the original reverse remained unused on this transmision box, and an another gearbox was added only for the purpose of reversing the direction of travel
Man I used to love these when going skiing in Šumava.
We had the same thing in the UK, we call them Pacers.
In some depots train drivers called it "Tříruké hovado". It means something like a "three hand monster", because there were 3 levers on the main controll panel. 😆
Of course it's air cooled, of course it sounds beasty as hell, of course it's a Tatra engine.
meanwhile in France many narrow gauge railcars made by Billiard or Renault had manual gearboxes too.
Poland also had diesel railcars of various manufacturers on the narrow gauge. Some were factory built, some were repurposed passenger cars, but even the factory-built ones could be very primitive, usually sporting an OHV diesel and a non-synchronized manual transmission straight from a truck. Some were even single-cab, requiring the railcar to be turned on a turntable or a track wye. Narrow gauge is a whole different "universe" than the standard railway in many respects.
The more I hear about Tatra engines the more I with they had gone worldwide. Sounds like a true workhorse.
i think they are worldwide, they sell cargo vehicles. many fire departments in the capital of czech republic, prague, still buy and use tatra-made firetrucks
India as well
@@oadka Hey, you are one of the only places in the world to find old David Brown parts! Treasure them!
@@prazakkk Yes but they didn't make it to Darwell, Alberta, Canada!
@@oadka Tatra or Tata?
It's so weird to see a train and hear a diesel engine going through the gears 🤯
very common in europe with small railcars, like Stadler RS1 or Siemens Desiro
@@PG-nf9wx the Desiro even feels like riding on a bus, as the ones in Romania have a regular automatic gearbox, albeit without the gears allowing for much RPM fluctuation
Looking at the exhaust smoke, it looks like they ran on coal rather than diesel 😁
So would your exhaust at 80 years old.......
which is a bad thing
I love railbusses! They look perfectly imperfect. 😁
The diesels in Australia are literally diesel trucks on rails with a manual gearbox
It's really interesting that M131 (801) series is known not only in Czech and Slovak republic. And I'm happy that videos like this are produced, because it's really good work. Like and greetings from Jaroměř, Czech republic.
“Reducing the need for diesel electric trains”
Proceeds to show a clip of a class 55 “Deltic”, which is fitted with an opposed-piston 6 cylinder Napier Deltic marine diesel engine
18 cylinders 3 crankshafts , 36 pistons in a triangle
I rode on a couple of those trains, totally cool to see the drivers shifting gears.
Its also worth noting that Tatra already made such small railbuses even before the war.
"Věžák" and many others
Tatra and their air cooled V12 diesels...
I still want a T813.
Tatra 111
4:47.... it does not only enhance relaibility, it also enhance passenger-confort (less motor speed, lesser loudness). So, as you meantioning, the train-engine for that vehicle, is reduced to even 155 HP and 1600 u/min. That is way less loud and intrusive running noise. Besides the possible fact, that for normal use, that power-mode is absolutely enough.
And there is a phenomen at ship-diesel running (and noising). They rev even lower and with way higher displacement, it results in a hypnoticing deep rythmical noise...barely hearable (infrasound via resonance within the ships steel construction?). So, low revs are lesser stressing, because of that phenomen of deep frequencies and that rythmic sound.
Most of local railways this train was implemented don´t allow speeds over 60kph because sharp turns and many level crossings including dirtroads with no safety features.
The engine speed of large ships is crazy low, around 100 rpm.
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Small railcars like this existed in many countries, they were developed for those lines where passenger traffic wasn't enough to justify the use of full size steam or diesel locomotives with just 1 or 2 cars. That just wouldn't be economical. These little railcars with drive technology based on busses and trucks were much cheaper to build and operate and saved many branch lines from closure. For instance West Germany had the "Schienenbus" VT95 and VT98, East Germany the VT2.09 "Ferkeltaxen", Belgium the Class 551, 552 and 553 "Brossel" , and the Netherlands the omC and omBC "Ome Ceesje" to name a few, the UK had also diesel mechanical rail busses from 4 different manufacturers, but there they were less of a success.
Interesting railcar design. Thank you.
Italian Aln663 Aln668 class have manual gearbox too.
That's wild! Dom is gonna use one in the next F&F to catch a bullet train carrying the mcguffin.
Nah Dom is gonna steal one of these when he travels back in time to save his dad because family
This reminds me of the BR Class 101, I have only driven it in simulators but i must say its a unique driving experience.
those of us who watch this channel, we can all agree, for much of the 20th century Tatra were pretty awesome 😎👏
In France We called them autorails and MICHELINEs when they were on tires
In Czech we gave them popular nickname: Hurvínek.
As we brits would say, those DMUs are hellfire
When I was a child I droved in one of this.
My mum called it Schienenbus (German for rail-bus) 😅
It was loud and slow but funny ❣️👌🏼
These days we just take 1 (or 2 with a shared mid bogie, superficially similar to an articulated bus) passenger rail car, put a bus engine with corresponding automatic transmission at each end-bogie, and are happy. Well, at least in Germany; Voith makes the transmissions as they do need some care for the rail use; the engines don't need notable engineering specialization for this usage, it seems.
The gearing to the axle is typically a bit different as the wheel diameter and maximum speed differ from bus usage, but still....
Reminds me of New Jersey Transit and how they had special engines built because it's a mix of electrified and non electrified lines.
Chief Engineer! The State requires you to build a mid-engined vehicle which can have front or rear wheel drive, with a V12 engine and a preselector gearbox!
{wild enthusiasm}
It is a bus to run on railway tracks.
{plans to defect to West}.
I remember a railbus - "ferrobus" - around Salamanca, in 1984. I was amazed to see the driver shifting gears. He was there for all to see, the whole thing was not much more than a bus with trainwheels.
So a month ago we had a vid on the Russian 12 x 12 locomotive turned into a truck and today we have a bus that was turned into a locomotive. . . .
Only the engine is from a bus
1:41
The term Československé Štátne Dráhy is in the Slovak language.
In Czech language it is Československé Státní Dráhy.
The difference is in the words: Státní - Štátne. And in the pronunciation...
"Railways " has a very peculiar translation here. So different from most of slavic languages
On the class 100s, 117 and 121 in Uk they got manual transmission (no clutch but you have to take off throttle to go up a gear, then put throttle on)
Tatra (1850) like Skoda (1859) were already wellknown industrial manufacturers when the Chzech republic was still a part of the Austrian Hungarian empire.
Today Tatra ( who went bankrupt in the 2013 due to a corruption scandal in India) is after a restart and partly owned by PACCAR/DAF specialised in the niche heavy duty off road for construction/mining sites and military truck market.
Tatra came in the picture after PACCAR/DAF searched for a new partner after GINAF (in the same niche market) went bankrupt and was sold of to the Chinese.
Military contracts and outside the west/NATO owner was an absolute no go for US parent company PACCAR.
Fun fact the former warsaw pact countries had mostly the famous Tatra trams. The former western NATO countries are getting more and more Skoda trams/regional trains.
Portland has Škoda streetcars…
The most important question is, does anyone make a shortshift for it😉👍
And the jake brake, can't forget that.
trains with manual gearboxs were pretty common back then. However, I had no idea there would be an AIR COOLED train to ever exist. Typical Tatra!
also this train was in czech film "rebelové", its film about young people in 1968, before the warsaw treaty
Wow, the action of changing gears is closer to what you'd do on a bike than on a car :D Thanks for the video!
Beautiful story and great inventions , and even merrier engine sound , long live the Manschaft and the Duech tech ❤️
That is very cool! I'd like to see it in person.
In New Zealand we had the Vulcan Railcars from the 1940s to the 1970s.
It was fascinating hearing these railcars going up through the gears after leaving the station....
One still holds the unofficial speed record for any train to this day... (narrow guage rail so not very fast..... 128kmh)
náhodná okolnost, hurvajz tedkom (14.7.) vykolejil v lednici na historických jízdách. respektive motorová jednotka ne, ale pouze samotné přívěsy této řady, které byly taženy hektorem (lokomotivou 720), protože motorový vůz měl prý roztavený jeden válec. nicméně jako náhrada jezdil hektor, těžká nákladní lokomotiva, na kterou ta trať z břeclavi do lednice uplne nebyla uzpůsobená, a byla i časem degradovaná. vlak vykolejil v pravotočivé zátočině, a jelikož jsem trasou nedávno jel, vím, že tam lehký motorák umí pěkně poskakovat, zejména když v zátočině najede na dilataci mezi kolejema. nejspíš došlo k tomu, že těžká lokomotiva "rozsedla" částečně koleje v mistě dilatace, nicméně sama se na kolejích udržela, kdežto malý lehký motorák byl nerovností nadhozen, a vykolejil. škoda je prý okolo milionu na trati a milionu na vozech
Watching this on a train
We used railcars up to mid eighties in uk they had a manual gearbox with fluid flywheel coupling to the engine
In America we had, and in some places still have diesel railcars known as RDCs. They were diesel-hydralic (hydralic toruqe converter) as apposed to diesel-mechanical.
The British rail class 101 also has a manual gearbox
Fascinating video.
Manual transmissions in rail vehicles isn't that uncommon, though mostly limited to very light, narrow guage applications. There was a Hungarian narrow guage loco that I think used the trans from a Csepel truck. It had the standard 4 or 5 speed transmission with a 2 speed range box, and even had the reverse on the transmission, despite that being irrelevant since rail vehicles have reversers to allow same speed travel in either direction anyway.
The railcars built by the GWR in the UK used 5-speed pre-selector gear boxes.
UK also had a manual transmission train that used an entire semi-truck power train & those were quite modern.
the preselector manual gearbox was a British invention.
Leyland was the first to implement that on mass.
The routemaster bus also had a preselector manual gearbox.
I remember from my youth that in Leyland/Daf public transport busses the driver had a pedestal wth a H pattern and small knob to preselect gears. (Leyland engine and drivetrain were build under license by DAF)
Pushing the clutch pedal would engage the selected gear.
Nowadays in modern manual truck gearboxes it can automaticly preselect and engage gears and act like an automatic.
A manual gearbox is way more energy efficient then for example a classic hydraulic automatic gearbox.
Lovely vehicle
They'd have loved the Pacer trains from the UK.
Poland produced few railcars with mechanical transmission in the '90 even. With automatic gearboxes though. They were basicly draisine frame with passenger compartment added.
None of such vehicles were made. First, the (very late) attempt at a light diesel railcar was class SN81, which was bascially a repurposed maintenance-of-way wehicle, with *manual* transmission and only the heading unit was operational during a ride, there was no multiple control. A very makeshift solution to an important problem. Later on this... "thing" served as the basis for its sucessor SA104, which was made in one example before further orders were cancelled, and this one has an automatic transmission (ZF) indeed, as well as more serious carbody construction and interior equipment. There were also SA101 and SA102 diesel units, but these were designed from ground-up, also with automatic transmission, but the production count was also very low before the production was cancelled.
Proletarian version of other Tatra's railcar "Slovenská strela".
Wonder why Tatra diesels have always made that thick blue smoke
Air cooled anything has larger clearances piston to cylinder built in.(more expansion/contraction with air cooling
Plus whether you burn diesel or sump oil...the diesel doesn't care...it burns both.
And ATF
and hydraulic fluid
and peanut/soy/banana/vegetable oils...
Plus we are now looking at 80 years of wear and tear on those engines...?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Deutz air-cooled engines does not smoke that much.
Good video, like.
It only have a single pair of powered wheel?
yes
The Gulflander in Australia has a manual gearbox because it’s a truck put on the rails
It put some character. Nice rail car. Not many examples of diesel "mechanical" (gearbox) trains. Here there are some small 2 coach trains with scania engine and trans. I think it is kinda of AT transmission. They are like this ones, for small towns that are far from any rail network. Mostly used in light applications.. Ive heard they have experienced driveshaft issues. It is not that easy to get this thing right.
The only real railbus
This isn't a train. This is a bus with train wheels
It's not a train, it's a railcar.
Actually, there is a much bigger hungarian railcar, with semi-manual gearbox. The clutch is not really manual but pneumatic, it can be used in slip mode in first gear to get it move, and every other gears with pre-selected fuel load in in the actual gear. Its engine is about 65.000 cubic centimetres in 12 cylinders, driving the output shaft via a 6 disc lamelled clutch. Well, this old lady has a very good sound
Didn't they use a similar prime mover of also Tatra design and similar transmission in the earlier M.120 class?
3:29 It must be hard to shift all those levers AND steer
steer 😂
is there a HO model of this?
Imagine doing burnouts on stations:):)
And iam sure it not have TC.
7:26 I really didnt expect that owercomplicated geabox.
Beats having to shove down a .75 metre pedal with your right foot....or a 1 metre long handlebar clutch lever?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Can be operated by wire cables,electronicaly,hydraulic..etc.
Some old cars have this so why levers that are confusing to use and really not makes sense to me.
@@joe125ful
Railways systems are alll about bringing the train to a halt if anything goes wrong..f.g. Westinghouse brakes....deadman's pedal..etc.
The gearbox is a pre selector that, once you understand the principles, is easy to use......
and all laid out on the dash cam be quickly scanned with the eye ......
and moved with the hand.
Essentially a Rail Truck!!
Not really, the only part from a bus is the engine
We had manual transmission trains in the uk
Class 101-102 fitted with a epicyclic 4 speed gearbox
A lot more than those classes. Most 1st gen DMUs were bus engined, semi auto with freewheel.
Yeah British United transport bus engines
@@susansmith3568 Oh yes, B.U.T. I never knew what that stood for. It's always a good day when you learn something new. 👍
También hay un parecido tren DMU class 101 en Reino Unido....
I've been a huge fan of ČD railways and the former ČSD Railways also, i did not know the hurvínek has a manual gearbox until now, also what caused the noise of the ticking sound in every train that has a steering throttle?
You mean as the throttle was moved?
Probably a spring mechanism winding up to capture force that automatically returned the throttle to closed when the throttle was released (like a "dead man's device?)
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk dead man pedal.
US is like twice the size of europe my guy
In 1988 I was on a train in Scotland that was a manual shift 3 speed maybe more but it never got above 3. Learned much later it was probably a Gardner diesel motor. It vibrated like crazy and rattled the whole car. A fun experience.
Out of balance Gardners were few and far between....
something wrong there
might also account for no exceeding 3rd gear...
Probably not Gardner. More likely Leyland or AEC. Some parts of the country also used Rolls Royce
most european countries had railbusses post ww2 as they where an economic way of keeping smaller passenger lines open.
Yea just normal czech retro train
Having bus or truck engines and transmissions on small regional trains is nothing new or unheard of.
Many use a torque converter transmission from a city bus
What is a "semeye truck"?
C'mon, do you have to pick in him when you realize English isn't his mother tongue...? Not everyone is fortunate to have been born in an English-speaking country. FYI - SEVERAL times a week I observe comments in various forums written by naturally born American or British English speaking people that contain OBVIOUS misspellings or errors in syntax. Still I - as an alien - don't reach out to correct them. It's called politeness
How about the dm3 from derail valley
This train Is in my country (i'm czech)
Γεια
Technically, Its semi-auto. Also, do note that this boxer engine is literally an evolution of German ww2 production.
There´s no boxer engine?
Yes not a boxer but a 75 degree v12.
👌
No turbo???
No need...
those engines were usually derated
and the vehicles were designed not to exceed 60kmh
with uncontrolled crossings, ad hoc pickups and drop offs etc. to contend with on their countryside runs...
TATRA :)
Are you from Czechoslovakia, Slovakia or Czech ? You pronouced the ČSD very well.
Slovakia
@@VisioRacer Já si to myslel :D
Those engines smoke very badly... 🤭
80 years old.......parts NLA?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk They smoke on the archive footages as well. Back then they were new...
@@janosnagyj.9540
Poor quality sump oils and fuels let alone machining tolerances compared to present days....
can it do burnouts?
Iam curious too!!
Wind it up in first gear and sidestep the clutch. Er...side handwave the clutch?
Ofc! Shift into 1st gear and then pull the throttle to max
Aluminium*
Did someone say MANUAL?
Preselect by hand......
Československé státní dráhy, nikdy ne slovensky.
Kdo je čech nebo slovák ať dá like
👇
It is very ugly when compared to the Swedish model we chose here in Denmark in the early fifeties suplementing our teak clad pre war triangel cars
Im very like videos. But this not the only Diesel-Mechanic unit. The germans had the VT95 Schienenbus:
ua-cam.com/video/_V-w-SqkP8E/v-deo.html
Hungarian Railway had its fair share of Diesel-mechanic traction:
Some of them like the Bcmot from the 1930s:
ua-cam.com/video/n1U2fJLgGQs/v-deo.html
After war motorcar, the ABbmot which had a V12 Jendrassik diesel engine:
ua-cam.com/video/zA6j5wHziA4/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/jU-9xG_ZynU/v-deo.html
The shunting loco M28, inline-6 Csepel diesel engine
ua-cam.com/video/qeONW-_LaDE/v-deo.html
Later they started building Diesel-Hydraulics, and Diesel-Electic rollingstock. The small railmotorcars replaced by the Bzmot "Stundenka" made in Czechoslovakia:
ua-cam.com/video/f9l8weFXSGo/v-deo.html
US, Canada, Russia, India, China and Australia aren't only mass operator of diesel-electric locomotives. UK has a large fleet of them, too.
Kinda defeats the point to run one without even a second car 🤔
Should still be more efficient than a bus just due to the reduced friction of running on rails?
But you do have a good point, seems like one extra car is no issue to include, so I see no reason to run without other than limited capacity needs
@@goosenotmaverick1156 Looking at the speeds it achieves in individual gears, it is clear that it is not easy. With the additional weight it would only be worse.
@@marcinsmolinski903 I assume in flatter areas they weren't as bad, footage of one with an extra car was shown. But I assume any incline was absolutely impossible
Depends on the passenger numbers. Why run 2 coaches when 1 woukd suffice?
your accent makes this video inunderstandable.
In the DPRB, some of the railways run DMUs which have ZF automatic transmissions.