Jimmy Page's Secret Distortion Trick
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2023
- Thanks again to James Santiago and Dave Berners for showing me this crazy trick, and to Universal Audio for sponsoring todays video!
Today we're at the Universal Audio headquarters checking out their new 1176 Compressor pedal, but more importantly, the two pieces of gear that its modeled after, and the crazy trick that was used on Led Zeppelin's classic Black Dog.
And thank you to Philip Conrad@philipconradmusic (bass) and Chad Collins @Chadman_Aye (drums) for playing in the studio for this one!
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UA Team - love this pedal, really impactful!! Improved my tone!
I love this video. Please make more videos about Zeppelin tones
This Please!!!!!!
Heck yeah!
You’ll have to wait for another pedal company to promote something that has a Zeppelin play to it. This isn’t a Zeppelin tutorial. It’s an ad.
@@jeffdixon847 It's the kind of ad I love!
@@jeffdixon847 BTW, not all Rhett Skull uploads are ads. He can do more videos about Jimmy Page's tone without it being an ad.
James Santiago is a goddamned national treasure! I've never heard a single interview with him that he didn't say at least a dozen things that blew my mind.
James is a MONSTER player. Watched him and Dweezil just shred the last time I saw the ZPZ band. Absolute legend.
I think what's crucial to understanding how Page's tone on Black Dog wasn't as farty and brittle as what we hear here is because they EQ'd the crap out of it. It's the same drive happening, but they tamed it considerably for the final mix.
Plus blending it with more traditional electric guitar sounds.
@@voronOsphereBINGO
@@voronOsphere Like what? Where's that coming from? I'm hearing an effect in that Black Dog mix, maybe an octave box or fast leslie. Sounds double tracked as well. (who knows)
@@annode it's triple tracked and the solo is played through a leslie
Hes also playing an overdriven tele double tracked over the fuzz part during some parts
Jimmy's real secret trick is ... He is really good, he played great compositions.
It's the feeling he puts in his playing, the contrast between light and dark and that comes with playing all the time, putting in the graft isn't it?
Everyone talks about Eddie's swing and he had it in spades. But Page had that, and so much feel, Touch, mood, pocket, etc... Even being a legend Page is under rated.
Tone is all about the jacket
Yes and also he was a great producer/ audio technician
Yup. The real trick is actually showing up to practice, but we all know guitarist don't wanna hear that. It has to be the magical diodes.
As an acoustic guitar player, I usually don't bother to watch videos about guitar pedals. I really appreciate how you presented this pedal and all of the background on how and why it was created. Thank you, Rhett and Universal Audio! Now, if I could only play enough electric guitar to make it worth buying one of those pedals...
As you pointed out, James seems like he has some real depth of knowledge on this stuff. I'd like to hear more!
Rock on kids!🤘
Jimmy Page a true pioneer of rock n roll
Jimmy Page will always be a mystery. It's actually what makes him cool. On Stairway he was using that little Supro Coronado amp with a Tele just cranked to the max. I've got the Jimmy Page Mirror Tele that he was using on that and man that thing is absolutely awesome. Then there are songs like No Quarter and Whole Lotta Love where he just gets absolutely mind blowing tones that we'll never be able to replicate. Jimmy Page is so cool.
Precisely said!
Yes, the Studio tones are basically impossible. On my last video is my new MSG pickups which do the 73 tour sounds.
I’ve actually gotten very close to the WLL tone myself. The trick is to have your les paul in the middle position and have treble volume at max and rhythm volume at about 6. The rest are just amp settings that are easy to mess around with but gain should be at 4.
@@digiorno1142I also gotten a very close WLL tone , Page Used the Vox UL7120 with a built in distortion activated, I have a the Lumpy Overdrive 7 that is based on that fuzzy overdrive that those amps had , and I'm using it into a Vox amp , with a Les Paul with the pickup in middle position.
@@timetraveler8777watch It Might Get Loud WLL section…he shows the fuzz pedal he used.
Two things
Thank you Rhett for doing this video
Please don't have the background music competing with your dialog .
Amazing how much effort goes into recreating an ad hoc sound of the 70s.
Exactly what I was thinking 😂 I can envision Page saying: “you know what, let me just plug into the console and crank it once.” Then he plays and plant says “sounds shite, to be honest”. And then Bonham says “right, but the groove is tight, let’s leave it and jam on that.” And THATS how Black Dog was born.
I'm guessing the Heartbreaker solo uses a really high level of compression, and a noise gate, which creates that chaotic sound. You might want to look into that as well.
Its an underwound PAF but a unique one. I was lucky to know Jimmy guitar tech..I build both the Pre April 72 and Post April 72s sets . The Madison Square Garden set is on my channel last vid.
@@bryanwilliams3665and you build them so very well!!!❤
I think it’s a cranked Plexi
Cool and well-executed idea for a pedal, and this video was really well-done overview of how to get creative with studio compressors by showing in detail how to stack and dial in the 1176s for legendary sounds. Pedal sounds stellar too. Bravo Rhett and James!
SOUNDS SO SO GOOD!!! MAGICAL
Gotta say this tone is so cool to me. I would never have considered for someone to get the idea to do that at the time.
One of the most fun and interesting “commercials” I have watched in a long time 👍
i've learned so much here! studio compression usage starts to make a lotta sense - thanks to you all
some great playing on this
Super educational - thanks heaps Rhett and UA
The pedal just arrived and it's better than I was even expecting! great as a sustaining compression, great as a kind of boost, and it can even do a kind of fuzz sound when combined with other pedals!
Nearly 60 years ago and we are still digging into the sounds of Led Zeppelin. Were they geniuses or did they find some felicity in messing around with the equipment? I mean, how do you get stoned, find a certain pitch, amplification, setting and not forget it, but patent it and build on it. What really impressed me with their muscianship was "Carouselambra" from "In through the out door". A seminal work with great nuance, change patterns and strange ambience emitting from the lower strings of Page's playing.
Nicely put!
Page is a genius and an innovator actually they all were in my opinion
they just used the tools that were available to them at the time. if Zep had formed in 2018 and not 1968… they would have used plugins in a DAW for flavour.
The recording engineers did a lot of the innovation.
I read that Page was using Gibson Lab series solid state amps for Carouselambra
Great video, looove that slide sound 🤤
I believe Jimmy used this trick all over the first album and people mistake the effect for his tone bender. The solo in You Shook Me, the fuzzy upper octave in Dazed and Confuzed and the main riff on How Many More Times. I believe it is used on Bring It on Home, the solo in Tangerine, the fuzzy slide parts in When the Levee Breaks, and the main riff in No Quarter. It is my feeling it was his secret ace up his sleeve when he wanted a guitar part to ooze sleaze.
Led Zeppelin I is the crunch of supro, and some songs tonebender mk2, led zeppelin II is the distortion built- in of the vox UL7120, this trick is on black dog , no quarter, and some other songs.
I agree with the upper octave in Dazed. Not sure about You Shook Me. Page did say he drove a Leslie speaker cab with the desk, but I think the Tone Bender was also in there.
Page has also stated that he drove the Leslie cab with the desk for How Many More Times.
Zep II was a Vox UL, but I think there is some desk distortion on top of the amp’s natural distortion. Some of the drum tracks sound like the dual 1176 driving things into distortion.
One of the greatest distortions I've ever heard is the Paperback Writer tone and I've heard that George Harrison was literally just plugged into to the board with it cranked. You think he was using this same trick to get that sound?
It’s cool that you only get the fuzz on the transients. That clean sustain is a unique character.
This actually sounds so cool, never would have thought to do this!
Thanks for remembering Lowell George and Little Feat!
I have had the pleasure of recording this way on occasion. Something that wasn't touched on was that your guitar and pup choice become very important. Tele gonna Tele and a master gonna jazz.
Great post. I still don’t understand that 1176 compressor…maybe make 3 short videos about how to use it…some of us have U/A software gear, so we have all those knobs!
Great video! Thanks, guys!
Thank you for not having just a clickbait title and a few throwaway remarks (about playing style or something) but actually delivering with some new information.
Superb video Rhett. This is the first decent explaination of what UA have put in their 1176 pedal. More importantly it explains why. Cheers.
super interesting video. thanks for the quality content as usual ✌
I have a couple Warm Audio 1176’s. Will have to try this. I used to play through an old tube amp record player console when I was a kid, probably in 1976. About that time I got my first real guitar amp a PV Backstage. I smoked that amp and a guy Mike Metz a now famous technician out of Wichita Kansas built that Backstage into a really great amp. It was a solid state amp that smoked some of my friends tube amplifiers at the time.
As far as recording, I have no clue. I had an RCA record cutter and I used a EV microphone into a Fostex 4 track and straight into the RCA.
Jimmy and all the greats back then managed to make the best sound out of what they had. We now have infinitely more specific gear and stil try to copy their old set ups.
We guitarists are hard to please!
I know it’s Madness gone Mad , All the Gear and endless possibilities, AI and god knows whatever other Nonsense and yet The Best was still Done with them Great Bands from The 60s and 70s with stuff that hasn’t been bettered really when you think about it,it’s just a bit more convenient now.. 👍🏻⭐️
I'm pleased.
super tips folks, awesome stuff.
I never understood why my stereo compressor has a button to dump one channel into the other. now I do.
thanks!
Great content. Thanks Rhett!
Nice to see a Publison Infernal Machine in the rack at UAs. Everything else they emulated already. So now we know what will come next year.
Lovely slide tones
I personally don't care for that distortion sound. If I heard that coming out of my gear, I'd be convinced something had blown. I'd grab my handy Tube Screamer!!!!!
SWEET! Now I want another pedal. This is a great video & sharing of information to help us be better players.
Nice
Thanks for showcasing UA
Great stuff
-Matt-
Hudson Valley, NY
Yeah! I remember hearing this story from Mason at Vertex when their Nyle Comp/Mic Pre came out. One of the settings of the Nyle gets you in this territory.
It sounds like a made in taiwan ds1 going straight into my stereo back in 2001
😂😂😂
Great video.
I remember reading about this technique being used on Black Dog a bunch of years ago. When tracked with multiple guitars and used in a subtle way its a great effect but by itself not so much.The Beatles used this technique as well. Keep these great videos coming.
Yes, Lennon's guitar is straight to board for 'Revolution'. Maybe same as 'Black Dog'?
I'm more of a metal guy but it never hurts to see what people do for a cool tone tks Rhett
Great explanation and demo of a phenomenal compression system.
Awesome Rhett - learned a lot in this video
Bro Dr. Berners is ripped, amazing video btw
Very Interesting. Complex to me. Would love to have that set.
Very informative. Compression in general has always been a mystery to me..
Great review,Nice trick,
Interesting use of compression. I dig clean sounds and that had some lush clean tone without sounding muted or boxy
Very cool guys. I've been using two compressors in series for many years as a foundation for both clean and OD sounds. I'm gonna try this OD trick. Thank you.
I think these comps are in parallel.
@@annode Maybe. When I have use stacked compressors they were always in series. Compressors in parallel create a different, more aggressive and very nice sound as well.
I stack compressors in series to increase the amount of compression, maintain sharp attack, and prevent the usual compressor anomalies.
Its all good, and whatever makes the best sound for you, that's what is right.
definitely in series@@annode
@@martinaddison4880 I watched those meters intently for a while over and over, considering what's going on, series doesn't make any sense to me. Parallel hardly makes sense either but at least it's more probable in that configuration. No matter.
Not only the gear does brilliant stuff, your slide playing blew me away.
Nothing screams rock and roll more than affiliate links
I love this method with the EHX Black Finger.
Great video Rhett!!! Very educational and inspiring on how to get more out of compression . Also there is some really gear in the background…
Huge Zip fan, IV was one of thre first lp's I purchased in 1977. Thanks for this video!
I want that 1176 pedal!!!
Love the historic take on where Page got that icon is sound. Taking a sound that isn’t necessarily pleasing and working into the mix. Great content Rhett!
I used to record with a guy that literally makes almost every band he produces play a generic rhythm track on every song and sometimes even an acoustic on every song. Regardless of genre or how heavy the music is supposed to be. The only thing I personally don't like as much about that is I always wanted to be able to recreate the sounds live. If you listen to Zeppelin live there were just things they couldn't recreate live but their records are seriously insanely awesome sounding.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 I can see where he’s going with that method. Must Nice to have flavors to mix in when the need be. Interesting point! What do you have if it can’t be performed live? I kind of all went for that gut feeling of “ is this in the soul of rock n’ roll” when writing. Have i gone to far out that I can’t get back in? I’m just a guy trying to play a song. Getting to what ever the song needs.
Thats cool!
I thought it was the EchoRec that did that😂
Great video!
James is a Wizard! 🧙♂️
I like the Isbell slide lick. I remember learning about the Lowell George thing because of the Slide Rig pedal that Jason used.
I have the Slide Rig and it is a very cool pedal.
DI guitar sounds are underrated. Of course you can't get them to sound like a traditional amp, but that's the point. Sometimes, you just need an heavily compressed, heavily EQed direct signal to get your sound to stand out in the mix.
What a great clean sound! It pops just right. And that is Black Dog 100%
Sorry, that did not sound like the original Black Dog tone to me. But maybe I'm missing something.
The original was recorded through the console. They’d have eq’d it from there.
This was a really kick ass video, yo.
Shout out to UA.
That what is a compressor should be doing! Thanks for the awesome content Rhett.
Jimmy’s real strength was writing music and producing songs
Led Zeppelin é sempre surpreendente!
Wow., this was such a dope vid Dude. Kudos.
Im sold.
Now I have to try this with my Strat running in and out and back in both channels of my ART VLA II stereo compressor. It won't be the same, but it might be amazing in it's own way! You never know until you try.
And that’s why I have an Origin Effects Slide rig on my board. 2 x 1176
The real secret is Jimmy's nuanced ability to find the unique sweet spot between the gain, other settings, picking and playing hardness between each amp situation.
Such great sounds in here! This would be great for Under the Bridge.
Great video. I had heard about the distortion coming from several compressors, but never seen it demonstrated. I think the key, as articulated in the video - in the context of a mix. By itself, it doesn’t sound great. But, in a mix, it works so well. Nice.
Great stuff 😮
I need to upgrade my compressor and love the tones you were getting with UA 1176 in this video. Before pulling the trigger I have to consider what else is available... the more expensive Universal Audio UAFX Max Preamp & Dual Compressor appears to be much more versatile. Wondering... is it worth the extra cost? It's about $100 more and was released earlier this year. I'd be grateful for any feedback. Thanks.
That is amazing that you can get that sound in a pedal.
So I just finished watching this video and thanks cause it was super interesting. Always great to see how historical sounds were made, for us guitar nerds. My next thought was hey, if you can achieve this with two standalone compressors, can you then stack two digital compressors, in a HX stomp, (Helix) environment and get either the clean sustain or even the Jimmy page distortion out of it? Could be additional content…I know I’d watch!
I thought the same thing, so I tried it out. The Helix/HX doesn't have a model of an 1176 that I know of, so I just used two Deluxe Comps (which according to their manual is a Line 6 original.) From my limited testing I can't get the distortion with just compressors, as maxing out the level control on the first comp into the second comp just makes it louder but with no distortion. You can use the mic pre amp block to add some gain and I think it sounds somewhat similar. But the clean dual compressor sound is really cool and I've been loving it
That sounded awesome… pure ‘accidental’ genius
OMG, for years I've been saying that a lot of Page's sound in studio never sounded like an amp I ever heard and thought maybe it was direct input like bass players do and tweaked out in the mix! Finally, clarification about all that! The sound quality of the double 1176's sounds similar to an out-of-phase switch (OOP) so prior to all this my thought was he used his pickups switched OOP through a pedal and direct into the board and pre-amped by the channel gain. Anyways, this has all been very enlightening. Thank you so much! 🤘🤘
Don’t forget his Germanium Fuzz pedal was used for Whole Lotta Love and others
I have two Cali76 pedals (big box and compact) - I'm going to try this!
Was the strat in standard tuning or tuned lower?
Rhetts slide tone was nearly as good as Josh's!
There are free 1176 compressor plugins and I just downloaded some of them. Thank you once again for the esoteric musical knowledge.
THE fuzz pedal (the maestro fuzz tone) was based on a broken transistor in a console board that caused the bass in a Marty Robbins song to get deep fried.
I learned a lot from this video.
History modernized in a pedal?
Amazing video
Cheers from Texas!
🤟😺🤟
Also, you can get this sound by turning off the Cab/IR and play a gained up plexi model preamp through studio monitors
@8:00 running your rig through an ancient tube tape recorder you can get some of these similar vibes. The tubes act as the compressor.
I love geeking over Jimmy Page and Zeppelin ✨
7:07 "Add other effects and bury it in a mix, THEN it'll sound decent." ;)
This was the best commercial I've seen yet.
How would this stack up against the JHS Color Box? Hope you'll consider doing a comparison. Cheers..
Do those compressors have any tubes? The rack looks kind of big for only FET transistors.
It sounds like a cheap solid state amp from the 70’s/80’s to me. Nothing like the record. Maybe a demonstration with a mix would have been better.
I’ve been disappointed with boutique compressors before. The Origin Cali76 has either a design flaw or the last couple I had to return were broken. The noise floor was atrocious. Hopefully UA’s pedal can deliver because I want a compressor that does that super long hang thing.
Whoa. That’s pretty cool.
Which Two Rock Model is that in the background? Cool moss green suede.