Honestly? I think this should be used as another trial run to give competitive final smash meter a chance. We’re already at the point where we don’t care about the tournament itself, and the last time we experimented with FS meter was when the game came out, four years ago. So, we could give a quickly-abandoned mechanic a second chance, completely undermine the entire point of the cup, and hey, if people end up hating it, it’s not like anyone cared about the tournament anymore, anyway. Win-win-win.
I understand, but they should be boycotted, the same with everything Panda related. If we show sympathy for them nothing is going to work out, and Panda (and Nintendo) gets away with it.
@@melodygn Plup was shitting on them on stream. IBDW doesn’t like the decision either. Players can’t just leave the team either since Contracts exist. So they’re in a weird spot
It’s one thing that Nintendo would basically shut down the tournament, it’s just something I’m used to at this point. But the fact that Panda CEO used this opportunity to sabotage a possible positive change with the Nintendo-Smash relationship is just very very scummy.
I’m not surprised by how garbage Nintendo is either, but that definitely does not make it okay. They should be shit on as much as possible because this being the expected is really fucked up. Fuck Nintendo.
I'm devastated that something like this would happen. It was going to be the biggest smash tournament of all time with a $350,000 prize pool and the biggest event in gaming history. I was so exited to see a massive major after a dry month in November and now all we have is mainstage which is not even that big :/
To me this scenario seems a little sketchy This feels like Panda wanted full exclusivity of official Tournaments, Nintendo didn't want to give it to em and they resorted to sweeting Nintendo's ear(if you know what i mean) Essentially, to me this feels like Panda convinced Nintendo to pull the trigger
Panda sees SWT as a threat. It's bigger, better, and community run. So they gave Nintendo a choice: them or us. If Nintendo didn't cut off community licenses, then Panda was going to terminate their commercial license (which Nintendo has actual investment in). Nintendo just chose wrong. I understand why they did, but they chose wrong.
@@thegreattaiyou It is hard to tell if this is true because Panda likely doesn't have too much leverage over Nintendo. It might be a case of one department who listens to the CEO of Panda relying something to their legal department without the other departments knowing, Nintendo has been plagued with the typical international company bullsh*t before.
@@thegreattaiyou What's even worse is if that's the case, after the shit show that will happen with Panda Cup, Nintendo will cut ties with Panda too and they will keep the requirement of needing a licence which they won't ever give to anyone again. This will set the community way further back than where we were last year
@man1narm0r75 Truthfully, it’s still up in the air until statements get released. We’re just basing it off of Nintendo’s record, but TO’s have come out and said Panda’s CEO pushed and made remarks to them about their setups being shut down in the future, “if they remained unlicensed”, etc. It should remain open until further notice.
Honestly couldn't agree more with your point of View HBox. These News are truly scaring the shit out of probably not just me, but many many people. We just want to Play this Game that has stuck with us for basically our entire Childhood, but seeing this happen, I just dont understand why this, or rather, how such a thing could even happen.
Not just people who grew up with Smash, my first Smash game was Ultimate and it got me into GGST, potentially into SF6 once it's out, who knows? Been accompanying the scene ever since, watching top players and cheering for them on the tournaments... For someone who once said that hated fighting games, this game made me fall in love with them and even learn and get inspired, as I'm also a game dev. It's just sad to see the community of a game so special to me, that taught me so much get burned to the ground like this.
This is all so sad. At this point, no matter what that Allen Dude will say, it is better that he steps down from his position in Panda to minimise the damage he has done to his company. I feel really sorry for Marss, Esam and the other guys and gals. They get so much shit now and that is not deserved.
@@SUPERLINKX2 yeah same with TK and Vikki. If I remember correctly (which I might not since 2022 was a blur to me), they got sponsored by Panda early this year. So I think they’re the “youngest” in the team too. Mega ouch
I do feel sorry for mars, wadi, and Tkbreezy, but I don’t feel sorry for Esam and MVD for their history of doing bad things. 1. They both dog piled on Mew2King with proven false accusations and never apologising when proven false 2. MVD supplied alcohol to a person that was underage at a party and this person ended up being non consensually assaulted and didn’t apologise until Tkbreezy told him to. 3. Esam on a recorded stream told Nairo to “[black person] go boxing ring [bundle of sticks]” after giving himself the N word pass because Esam “says it better than other people” If you look up go boxing ring Esam in UA-cam search you can find it. Esam was also recorded calling a different player a “watermelon loving fried chicken eating, grape juice drinking ****** that can’t drive or swim”. And finally Esam in his apology video said “I talked to people that fall into the category of the words that I said, and they said I was okay”
@@missy7871 check out the Esam N word moment video again, There were 3 players in that video. Nakat was the person streaming as sonic but the Zelda that Esam was playing against for a majority of the time was actually Nairo, and he even has the tag Nairo in the game itself
Only takes a few top players to BoyCott the Pandacupp for Alan to realize he fcked up not only for the community but for himself and his own pockets. I love & look forward to great smash tourneys with the best talent (esp with international scene growing as it is!) and its extremely sad to see something like gross greed get in the way of that
However, some players would have a difficult time boycotting panda as it is most of their income and would likely have a difficult time finding another major source of income (not meaning to defend panda in any way, just an explanation as to why some players may not boycott it)
Normally I hate when people say they "think something would happen" when something happens but its believable and that's so sad. When SWT and Panda Cup were announced, people were skeptic instead of ecstatic.
You asked a really good question, "What more is there to be gained by doing this?" and I think that answer comes easiest if Panda Esports is publicly traded - investors are up his ass trying to get every nickel and penny out of the circuit as much as possible. If Panda Esports is private, then maybe their financial situation isn't stable and they are scrambling to payback loans and offload debt? Just my thoughts on it.. This news has been terrible and I'm really hoping we get some good news or explanation from Alan.
Having a monopoly on anything is usually worth everything businesswise, long term if panda deals with this bad pr well and keeps their now monopoly on streaming smash and them having the only big circuit they have a lot of options in the future to make a lot of money that they wouldn't if competitors like smash tour were there, mostly based on things that cause bad pr that they couldn't take with competitors because everyone would just go to the competitors.
@@VampiresAreRealGuys key word is long term, right now they're losing money from this, but if they somewhat recover the pr and they do become a monopoly for smash streaming, how about charging viewers to view the events on the circuit, or going hard into ads; the potential gains are high, it's just if they can weather the storm of right now first.
@@VampiresAreRealGuys I think me irl is saying that Alan is trying to bet on the short memories of people. If he gets a monopoly on all big Smash tournaments he is gambling that people want to watch and play competitive Smash over morals or ethics or have no choice because Panda is the only one around (think like a protection racket). Notice that he has done it once many players have swapped full time streaming or competitive Smash, so if they do want to continue living without getting tons of costs to reeducate (some do have degrees) they HAVE to play with Panda. But what Panda forgot is that they are not a multi-international conglomerate worth hundreds of billions, they only got this far because of the dedicated fans of the competitive Smash and FCG communities and their staff who love the games Panda supposedly supports.
It's also important to remember that competitors are not just passionate, playing Smash is their living. Even those that don't make their living as competitors have spent years practicing, it's a huge chunk of their lives. I totally understand them if they keep going to Panda tournaments after all of this, don't blame them a single bit. And let's be real, if there are events with players, there will be viewership.
I like the part where Nintendo claims that they "weren't trying to trap the community" when this is at least the second time they've done this, canceled an event last second when all the costs were already sunk. It's hard to feel like it's not on purpose when it's a pattern of behavior, but that said, I'm still more mad at Panda, or I guess Alan, in this situation. It's very much a "better a devil we know" situation. At least I expect Nintendo to fuck us over at this point. But betrayal is something else entirely.
Truthfully, I think Alan forgot the Smash community was, well, the community. He's standing on thin ice, considering the already thin truce we have/had with Nintendo, and he's kicking that ice with steel-toed boots trying to monopolize the Smash scene. Unfortunately, he made a misstep; not only did his actions cause considerable damage to VGBC and the SWT, but realistically this has endangered the smash scene as a whole. One of (if not ) most important Esports in the world is in peril right now, all because one man (and probably some Nintendo execs) flew too close to the sun, and now all we can do is wait.
@@kaarD04 TkBreezy, super smash bros commentator. He recently uploaded a twitch vod discussing the drama, as he is a panda sponsored commentator. He talks of the spot this puts him in since he's a part of the company that is hurting the scene. Watch the vid for better clarification
@@miguelangelserrano-arteaga1265 Panda is going to bleed staff like crazy in the aftermath of this, there's no way they'll be able to rope along anyone who actually cares about the community. If there's still a panda for a 2024 panda cup I'll be shocked.
@@uponeric36 far as I'm concerned Alan needs to step down and disappear. Cause if all this is true then he's a scumbag and should leave the smash community behind. Cause right when things were going well his greed blows a hole in the progress. He should allow players/commentators out of their contracts after this mess
I’m really wondering if a lawsuit is in order somehow. We have yet to hear an official statement from Alan, but if this trend continues, then we’re gonna have 3 different stories from Panda, SWT & Nintendo which sucks. VGBC might have a 4th official statement too (idk how much they were involved).
I think VGBC responded to the PR Nintendo made hours after the initial drop. Mostly boiling down to, sure you didn't tell us to shutdown but you made us read in between the lines, which is you are going to be shutdown if you continue. Remember that Big House Online was okay with continuing it until Nintendo sent a Cease and Desist letter when The Big House didn't "read between the lines."
The way employment is in the esports realm this is a crushing blow to the community.. Someone who makes such brash decisions without full clarity of the impact they cause does not need to be at the helm of any competitive gaming/governing bodies.. This is the type of move that kills a scene, a scene that people have put so much time and energy into only to have some shortsighted nitwit mess it up.
@@ABC-ik9vj agreed. But I sadly think we’ll get different responses/official statements from all the companies involved. Then it’s really gonna turn into a “he said, she said” battle and all the fans will be split blaming both Nintendo or Panda unless one of them has such good evidence that it clears their name.
I'm 100% convinced Alan strong-armed Nintendo. He'll probably try to spin the narrative and say: "I was trying to give Nintendo more incentive to keep partnering with us by making the Panda Cup more popular" In which case, at least he should've actually told TO's that instead of that SWT was "going to fail" Maybe he "thought Nintendo would shut it down" even though they could've done that a long time ago. Alan will try to spin this narrative somehow, but the damage has already been done. He was probably counting on people blaming Nintendo.
This is truly something awful that has happened. Not only cause of the SWT cancellation, but also the public image of Panda and the future of Competitive Smash Bros. Because of the conflicts involving the Panda CEO and likely some (but certainly not all) Nintendo Executives, the future of Competitive Smash now in danger. As Hbox said, “What is to be gained?”
It sounds like Panda wanted to kill the competition on who gets to be the biggest smash tournament by making sure there is no competition and they would have an monopoly over this market, which is only good if the market on tourements in inelastic to which I'm not sure of
Seems like Alan just wants a monopoly on smash so all the money goes to them. I can see Nintendo going with this as it means more for them. Maybe one day we can have people in leadership positions that actually do things for reasons other than money.
Honestly Alan pushing for exclusive rights to essentially the scene (via licensing rights) and sabotaging the tournament when he couldn’t get it shouldn’t go unanswered. I love some of the Panda players, but the CEO of Panda needs to be completely expelled from the scene. He should never make another cent off of our love for the game ever again. I hope the players can find another sponsor cause I can’t support anything affiliated with Panda when it comes to Smash ever again.
Panda should get completely atomized for Alan's greed. Dude absolutely ruined Smash for half of 2023 and (potentially) the rest of smash's lifespan. Get Dunked On Alan, you monster.
I think this situation is two different issues, the first is Nintendo shutting down SWT, which is like Evo all over again but on a much bigger scale. Hopefully Nintendo comes to their senses and realize they gain nothing from this. The second issue is Alan and Panda acting like a mafia trying to scoop up the entire Smash market by bullying people. The BTS/Panda situation in particular is borderline criminal, trying to scare people to break contracts and pay Panda “or else something bad might happen to your company/tournament.” With BTS corroborating this, there is nothing Alan can say to save himself, and Panda is probably dead too. I don’t believe this “99% of Panda didn’t know” BS, the talent probably didn’t know but I am confident people behind the scenes knew exactly how Alan was recruiting these events to switch from SWT to Panda.
Sad day for the smash scene and VGBC in particular. Just when the game can reach new heights with popularity and reach, it's all taken away. I'm anxiously waiting to hear more from Panda and Nintendo.
I'm about halfway through the video so if this gets answered later, my apologies. But in what world is it fair that Panda's CEO gets to spread misinformation, misrepresent Nintendo, and still keep their license? How are they not the ones being shut down and SWT get's to move forward?
No matter what, I haven't even seen the whole video but still, I just hate how us as a community is not even seen truly officially by Nintendo and sees more of us as a nuisance throughout the years. I just wish I could have gone to my first real big tournament not only was it to enjoy with friends and see the community, it was going to be so cool having that tournament in my home city, MY HOME CITY. It really is something that makes me so frustrated being a fan of both the Nintendo and Super Smash Brothers Ultimate.
Contracts exist, and even if they could break it, they are still in an awful situation. Panda is probably a helpful source of income, especially since playing smash doesn't get you that much. And if the community has a decline, I doubt E-Sports teams would want to pick up players from a game that is dying (Also the Panda players aren't the top of the top making their chances lower). It sems they are stuck in a lose-lose situation.
You......don't know what a contract is do you? They can't just "drop" Panda. Cauze trust me if they could I guarandamntee you a few of them would have done so already
And this is why panda did what they did. They held their players hostage knowing they'd be forced to play under the panda monicer for all this to blow over. The machine won't stop if the players are held hostage and people will eventually forget. Thus this will all blow over...unfortunately.
This seems to always happen when a Smash tournament of this magnitude is attempted. Whether it’s on Nintendo’s side or on the organizer’s side, somebody always ends up pulling the plug for one reason or another. It just seems Smash is cursed to always have bad news when something looks up for the competitive community.
Nintendo is a business first as always, nobody wants to get sued these days if theirs shaky business that's dirty business and could land you in legal troubles, can't say I blame Nintendo for this.
I feel bad for the players and partners of Panda who are gonna get a fuck ton of flack for this. But the blame lies with one dude, and that is Alan. The only way to fix this and get his company back in popularity would be for him to leave the company, period.
This sucks, I’ve heard some people say that this is the end of smash. But I disagree. We, as a community will get through this. As long as we have a good amount of people playing smash and competing in tournaments and be as passionate as us this game will never die.
I personally feel it's more like this: Dr Alan = spoiled little brother SWT = mature older brother Nintendo = daddy That or Dr Alan = Palpatine Nintendo = Vader
If there's anything I know for certain, Smashers will get through this once again. The competitive scene has been on the verge of death so many times, we will find a way even if (as silly as it may sound) we go underground. You do not talk about Smash Club.
Nintendo definitely DID have a role. But they did the action, not the thinking. Perhaps Alan spooked them by threatening the panda cup if SWT continued this year.
Idk man. People are just getting sick of fighting just to play the damn game. Not to mention a lot of money, more than ever in fact, went into this. It's not something you can just bounce back from. They already paid for a series they can't do anymore. They probably aren't getting refunds. This could legit kill smash as a scene
But this time it's different, it's mostly Panda's ceo Fault, apparently he convinced Nintendo to shut down the tournament because it wasn't officially licensed and he wants Panda to be the only place to compete
My guess is that Panda's contract with nintendo locked up nintendo from holding other smash events for 2023. That's why Nintendo was pretty much good until they signed those contracts with panda. It sounds like it's something the CEO of Panda wanted already too
i really hope the players who are contractually obligated to play gentleman to taking turns top-decking with Hero, only other moves allowed are up-b jump and airdodge to recover to stage. FD of course, standing center stage every turn
Heartbreaking because doing it with Nintendo's seal of approval would have meant possibility for Sakurai to make a guest appearance during one of the tournaments
When Nintendo denied VGBC the license the statement by VGBC says Nintendo gave VGBC a reason for denying the license "that was based on misinformation". I have an idea that this misinformation might be about Stealth-UCF set ups at VGBC tournaments. Maybe Panda's CEO provided proof of that to Nintendo (since there is a common belief that this happens at all tournaments, also in the Panda Circuit), that this was happening at VGBC/Summit events explaining why Nintendo didn't want to give a license anymore
Didnt that happen in Evo 2018 iirc? Two bayonetta's just stood still charging their guns for a couple minutes before they were forced to move or else get disqualified
I still haven’t seen any correspondence uploaded from Nintendo tbh all I’ve seen so far is hear say, like what’s stopping anyone from uploading these convos online so we have a better concept of what’s goin on?
This is devastating and heartbreaking. It seems really hard to think Panda had nothing to do with it, even if a statement comes out from Alan contradicting all of this. It is horrible to watch Nintendo treat the community this bad and it is even more horrible to realize that people would f* up the community to prioritize their own greed
This last minute U-Turn is just a big F-U to the fans, and if Nintendo actually take down Mario flipping the fans off, it’s officially cannon. (That last part was satire.)
@@Spyder-Marth If what people are saying is actually true, me and 9001 of my homies will literally not watch anything Panda makes in the future. Would you?
Guys I have a theory. Just recently, Maister was denied entry to Port Priority 7 due to discrimination. Part of the Smash World Tour. Based on Nintendo's change on attitude, this possibly could have been used as the catalyst for shutdown.
Panda straight up pulling mafioso tactics like The Sopranos, or pulling a straight up coup like in Game Of Thrones by proclaiming and asserting Joffrey as king.
Well stated, in the off chance a Nintendo rep is in the comments: I will not be purchasing Nintendo consoles, games, or DLC until a clear answer is given in relation to the rights to host tournaments. I will continue to not support Nintendo if at very least easy and expansive approvals are given to tourneys nationwide. It isn't a complex situation when you consider the bottomline, your customers pay for the experience Nintendo provides and to me and many others, this is a large part of that experience. Tourneys=exposure=game sales=allowance to make more awesome games. Thank you for reading.
@@toxsun 'off chance' and you felt the need to respond so it's at least hitting an audience. But hey at least my time isn't spent responding to something that's 'melodramatic' in my opinion
The team at nintendo that worked with VGBC was absolutely correct. There is no logical reason why SWT and PG Cup could not coexist. Alan's actions are the only way something like this could have happened. Truly horrible.
I suspect Nintendo likes their game being represented as a popular esport, they're just wary about involving themselves with certain people, and certain behavior.
it sounds like nintendo doesn't want to license a tournament that's already been announced. To be safe they should ask for licensing 1-2 years in the future I guess. But that really isn't viable for quick or small tournaments. And panda's ceo was behaving weird.
I just recently bought Panda merch so I'm seriously hoping it turns out that Alan wasn't to blaim, however...... for at least now I'm putting the tshirts under my other shirts. if it comes out that panda will stay owned by Alan, and that it was in fact his fault, i'm just going to donate those shirts immediately
I got a custom track jacket and pro hat because I love the players and they were my transition to being more competitive, it hurts because I still love the players, but the org has fucked up and wearing their merch feels wrong
@@AJZTheMagnificent exactly, same here. Marss especially, but also Wadi, ESAM, Vikki, TK, Little Z, legit most of the team, they're the people I watch the most on UA-cam
What I wish people took more seriously is how long Nintendo took to reply, most of this could've been prevented if they had good communication, which they do not, even if worst case scenario where Panda's CEO pulled the strings to become the main focal point of the competitive smash scene, if Nintendo had replied to the World Tour months ago, most of this mess would've been prevented. I do believe most of the people working for Panda have no say in this and the entire organization should be punished as a whole, if this was Nintendo's direct order then there's not much that can be done, they already stated they want to be involved now and this is the price for that, even if their involvement is really bad. If as i mentioned before, this is the Worst case scenario, then its all up to how Panda handles it, if the guy at the top gets removed from the company, or they let it sink with him.
If I'm correct, CEO of Panda Global being a sussy baka and intimidating other tournaments or else he'll get daddy Nintendo involved. That's what I'm getting out of this.
Panda's CEO used Attract! Nintendo is now infatuated with Panda! Nintendo used Legal Threats (well it was more like "read in-between the lines of our statement." It was super effective! Panda used backstab on Smash Community, it was super effective!
Short version? The Panda CEO (that's VERY important here not the players) was going around basically bullying other tournaments to the point where he'd get Nintendo involved. All in the name of greed
Thank you for being my number one news source when it comes to smash. I love smash even as a casual and it sucks to hear this. Hopefully one day Smash can find a good balance and be taken seriously as the Esport it is
Most level-headed take so far. Would the Panda CEO really do something so absolutely asinine? Perhaps, but let's wait until more information comes out.
Like eventually there will be new tournaments that are funded by nintendo with more money but the soul of the community is gonna be absolutely neutered
this will be a huge mistake because the more people who hear about this, the more people will get a bad taste about the panda cup. So this whole situation is burned, and the worst part is the actions the CEO has allegedly taken makes him appear untrustworthy with his response.
@@Thepathyouseek I mean, maybe he was telling them so that their grass roots events weren't taken down. If Alan knew that those who weren't licensed by Nintendo couldn't play anymore, maybe he tried to rescue those events(?) I'm trying to find a good side to the story, although it seems unlikely.
At this point, I’m not even surprised… I just knew things were too good to be true when the World Tour and the Panda Cup were announced at the same time. I just knew one of those tourneys would be shut down. #FuckNintendo #PandaHigherUps
It all makes sense, Pandas consume grassroots all day while doing nothing productive and they don't even like to smash. It was right before our eyes the entire time
I don’t understand with what authority Nintendo is able to shut things down. It’s time to take them to court, they have absolutely no case in the US or Europe. We should just start a fund to challenge them legally.
They own the rights to stream the game. Technically every company has every right to take down videos and streams of their game. They usually don’t but it’s within their legal right to do it
@@defectivesickle5643 That’s not how IP works in the US (or even in Europe). Nintendo has absolutely no case, just like they don’t have a case against modding or emulation (in the US or Europe). They rely on people being afraid of the amount of money it’d take to prove them wrong. And that’s all.
Seems like Nintendo was willing to work with the SWT as long as the SWT didn't violate IP, then Panda CEO must've went past the Nintendo Reps and straight to the higher ups. The Nintendo higher ups must've been persuaded by the Panda CEO to put a stop to the SWT and the Nintendo Reps simply had to relay the bad news. Truly unfortunate.
Man this all makes so much sense, all this snakery behind the scenes with scaring off smaller organizers. Ill bet money too that alot of these events that were forced to backout were on non american soil… like oceania, Eu and various canadian tournaments.. this was called smash world tour for a reason…
Nintendo tried to fix the issue. One greedy, slimy Panda guy decided to create a toxic conversation with Nintendo and run with the spoils. Ends up single-handedly DESTROYING the ENTIRE community including himself. Truly pathetic and petty.
licensing for streaming a smash tourney? I can understand stage music, but maps? they agreed to be in the game and anything associated with the game, if they didn't want that, THEN DON'T HAVE UR SHT IN SMASH, 2nd it just sounds like Nintendo and Panda are monopolizing this because that's the only place to see a big smash tourney, well to be fair its legal, its their property, but maybe some new laws need to come out around this stuff to regulate it better
I don't understand why you would legally need approval from nintendo to run the tournament. If you bought the game, then it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it.
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If you’re contractually obligated to attend, make it the slowest most sabotaged tournament to watch. SD’s left and right.
i dont remember who but a someone said that him and everyone else should just do steve dittos and build dik on the map for the whole set xD
@@antoine8563c3v the best idea ever
This here is the answer tbh. With enough backlash and protest streamed live, it can have a genuine impact.
I heard that they could have put something in the contract that bans “unsportsmanlike behaviour” or something. I’m not sure though
Honestly? I think this should be used as another trial run to give competitive final smash meter a chance.
We’re already at the point where we don’t care about the tournament itself, and the last time we experimented with FS meter was when the game came out, four years ago.
So, we could give a quickly-abandoned mechanic a second chance, completely undermine the entire point of the cup, and hey, if people end up hating it, it’s not like anyone cared about the tournament anymore, anyway. Win-win-win.
Remember not to blame the players under Panda, many are equally upset.
Really? Are they speaking up about this?
I understand, but they should be boycotted, the same with everything Panda related. If we show sympathy for them nothing is going to work out, and Panda (and Nintendo) gets away with it.
@@melodygn little Z has a few tweets on it
@@melodygn yes, Plup especially has been speaking out against it
@@melodygn Plup was shitting on them on stream. IBDW doesn’t like the decision either. Players can’t just leave the team either since Contracts exist. So they’re in a weird spot
It’s one thing that Nintendo would basically shut down the tournament, it’s just something I’m used to at this point. But the fact that Panda CEO used this opportunity to sabotage a possible positive change with the Nintendo-Smash relationship is just very very scummy.
Far as I'm concerned he should step down and disappear. Cause this damage he's done is more than likely irreparable
I’m not surprised by how garbage Nintendo is either, but that definitely does not make it okay. They should be shit on as much as possible because this being the expected is really fucked up. Fuck Nintendo.
I'm devastated that something like this would happen. It was going to be the biggest smash tournament of all time with a $350,000 prize pool and the biggest event in gaming history. I was so exited to see a massive major after a dry month in November and now all we have is mainstage which is not even that big :/
Surely I’m missing something here. Biggest event in gaming??? How so? Doesn’t Dota or League have that by like a wide margin?
@@allangreene15ag Biggest SMASH event.
@@allangreene15ag Yeah you're right, I think he meant the biggest event for the game's history
I wonder, was there a possibility that Smash World Tour would’ve been bigger than the Fortnite World Cup?
@@allangreene15ag it’s by number of entrants, the article says there were 325,000 entrants throughout the tour
To me this scenario seems a little sketchy
This feels like Panda wanted full exclusivity of official Tournaments, Nintendo didn't want to give it to em and they resorted to sweeting Nintendo's ear(if you know what i mean)
Essentially, to me this feels like Panda convinced Nintendo to pull the trigger
Panda sees SWT as a threat. It's bigger, better, and community run.
So they gave Nintendo a choice: them or us.
If Nintendo didn't cut off community licenses, then Panda was going to terminate their commercial license (which Nintendo has actual investment in).
Nintendo just chose wrong. I understand why they did, but they chose wrong.
@@thegreattaiyou It is hard to tell if this is true because Panda likely doesn't have too much leverage over Nintendo. It might be a case of one department who listens to the CEO of Panda relying something to their legal department without the other departments knowing, Nintendo has been plagued with the typical international company bullsh*t before.
@@thegreattaiyou What's even worse is if that's the case, after the shit show that will happen with Panda Cup, Nintendo will cut ties with Panda too and they will keep the requirement of needing a licence which they won't ever give to anyone again.
This will set the community way further back than where we were last year
@@thegreattaiyou I mean not really
@@rizvan1632 move on. There’s hundreds of other games actually supported by the creators lmao
Man I cant believe the CEO of Panda would be so greedy
@man1narm0r75 Both.
@Man1narm0r Have you even watched the video? (I haven’t, but I’ve already seen about this)
@man1narm0r75 Truthfully, it’s still up in the air until statements get released. We’re just basing it off of Nintendo’s record, but TO’s have come out and said Panda’s CEO pushed and made remarks to them about their setups being shut down in the future, “if they remained unlicensed”, etc. It should remain open until further notice.
You don't become a ceo by being generous
@Man1narm0r how do you just barely inform yourself about a topic and then leave a statement full of confidence.
Honestly couldn't agree more with your point of View HBox. These News are truly scaring the shit out of probably not just me, but many many people. We just want to Play this Game that has stuck with us for basically our entire Childhood, but seeing this happen, I just dont understand why this, or rather, how such a thing could even happen.
Yeah I'm scared as heck! I don't want to sign up for tournaments until this whole situation is cleared. The Panda CEO gotta go.
Not just people who grew up with Smash, my first Smash game was Ultimate and it got me into GGST, potentially into SF6 once it's out, who knows? Been accompanying the scene ever since, watching top players and cheering for them on the tournaments... For someone who once said that hated fighting games, this game made me fall in love with them and even learn and get inspired, as I'm also a game dev. It's just sad to see the community of a game so special to me, that taught me so much get burned to the ground like this.
$$$$$
It’s Esports that’s how lmao.
This is all so sad. At this point, no matter what that Allen Dude will say, it is better that he steps down from his position in Panda to minimise the damage he has done to his company. I feel really sorry for Marss, Esam and the other guys and gals.
They get so much shit now and that is not deserved.
I feel terrible for Punk, Justin Wong and Wadi who just got hired by them recently. This fucking blows so hard
@@SUPERLINKX2 yeah same with TK and Vikki. If I remember correctly (which I might not since 2022 was a blur to me), they got sponsored by Panda early this year. So I think they’re the “youngest” in the team too. Mega ouch
@@SUPERLINKX2 tk is also so sad, he literally cried on stream and was looking for a new job as well
I do feel sorry for mars, wadi, and Tkbreezy, but I don’t feel sorry for Esam and MVD for their history of doing bad things.
1. They both dog piled on Mew2King with proven false accusations and never apologising when proven false
2. MVD supplied alcohol to a person that was underage at a party and this person ended up being non consensually assaulted and didn’t apologise until Tkbreezy told him to.
3. Esam on a recorded stream told Nairo to “[black person] go boxing ring [bundle of sticks]” after giving himself the N word pass because Esam “says it better than other people” If you look up go boxing ring Esam in UA-cam search you can find it.
Esam was also recorded calling a different player a “watermelon loving fried chicken eating, grape juice drinking ****** that can’t drive or swim”.
And finally Esam in his apology video said “I talked to people that fall into the category of the words that I said, and they said I was okay”
@@missy7871 check out the Esam N word moment video again, There were 3 players in that video. Nakat was the person streaming as sonic but the Zelda that Esam was playing against for a majority of the time was actually Nairo, and he even has the tag Nairo in the game itself
Only takes a few top players to BoyCott the Pandacupp for Alan to realize he fcked up not only for the community but for himself and his own pockets. I love & look forward to great smash tourneys with the best talent (esp with international scene growing as it is!) and its extremely sad to see something like gross greed get in the way of that
Yup. Sparg0 and Dabuz already announced that they are NOT giving Panda their attendance anymore.
lol seriously don’t know why whoever it was thought this was a good idea
I saw someone mention that Axe, Fiction, and n0ne have also said they're not competing in the PC Finals.
However, some players would have a difficult time boycotting panda as it is most of their income and would likely have a difficult time finding another major source of income (not meaning to defend panda in any way, just an explanation as to why some players may not boycott it)
I wanna see a reenactment of EVO smash 2016 grands
Little Z put it best. “Why can’t we just play the fun video game.”
Because f*ck you, money, greed, power, people, politics, God, drugs, sex, feminists, rapists, crime, all the evil in humanity.
i had a feeling that something like this would happen. it's happened a million times. but i didn't know how evil this was going to be
Normally I hate when people say they "think something would happen" when something happens but its believable and that's so sad. When SWT and Panda Cup were announced, people were skeptic instead of ecstatic.
@@icegod4849 I was right there with them, man.
Never happened like this because this never happened to begin with.
“Evil” it’s a game not a dick don’t take it so hard.
@@-.Outlaw.- bruh english plz
You asked a really good question, "What more is there to be gained by doing this?" and I think that answer comes easiest if Panda Esports is publicly traded - investors are up his ass trying to get every nickel and penny out of the circuit as much as possible. If Panda Esports is private, then maybe their financial situation isn't stable and they are scrambling to payback loans and offload debt?
Just my thoughts on it.. This news has been terrible and I'm really hoping we get some good news or explanation from Alan.
Having a monopoly on anything is usually worth everything businesswise, long term if panda deals with this bad pr well and keeps their now monopoly on streaming smash and them having the only big circuit they have a lot of options in the future to make a lot of money that they wouldn't if competitors like smash tour were there, mostly based on things that cause bad pr that they couldn't take with competitors because everyone would just go to the competitors.
but panda doesnt get any more money by doing this. if anything they will just make people angry and lose money
@@VampiresAreRealGuys key word is long term, right now they're losing money from this, but if they somewhat recover the pr and they do become a monopoly for smash streaming, how about charging viewers to view the events on the circuit, or going hard into ads; the potential gains are high, it's just if they can weather the storm of right now first.
@@VampiresAreRealGuys I think me irl is saying that Alan is trying to bet on the short memories of people. If he gets a monopoly on all big Smash tournaments he is gambling that people want to watch and play competitive Smash over morals or ethics or have no choice because Panda is the only one around (think like a protection racket). Notice that he has done it once many players have swapped full time streaming or competitive Smash, so if they do want to continue living without getting tons of costs to reeducate (some do have degrees) they HAVE to play with Panda.
But what Panda forgot is that they are not a multi-international conglomerate worth hundreds of billions, they only got this far because of the dedicated fans of the competitive Smash and FCG communities and their staff who love the games Panda supposedly supports.
It's also important to remember that competitors are not just passionate, playing Smash is their living. Even those that don't make their living as competitors have spent years practicing, it's a huge chunk of their lives. I totally understand them if they keep going to Panda tournaments after all of this, don't blame them a single bit. And let's be real, if there are events with players, there will be viewership.
I like the part where Nintendo claims that they "weren't trying to trap the community" when this is at least the second time they've done this, canceled an event last second when all the costs were already sunk. It's hard to feel like it's not on purpose when it's a pattern of behavior, but that said, I'm still more mad at Panda, or I guess Alan, in this situation.
It's very much a "better a devil we know" situation. At least I expect Nintendo to fuck us over at this point. But betrayal is something else entirely.
Don’t forget they sabotaged attempts for other esports sponsors to broadcast Smash and got Project M killed for nothing.
Truthfully, I think Alan forgot the Smash community was, well, the community. He's standing on thin ice, considering the already thin truce we have/had with Nintendo, and he's kicking that ice with steel-toed boots trying to monopolize the Smash scene.
Unfortunately, he made a misstep; not only did his actions cause considerable damage to VGBC and the SWT, but realistically this has endangered the smash scene as a whole.
One of (if not ) most important Esports in the world is in peril right now, all because one man (and probably some Nintendo execs) flew too close to the sun, and now all we can do is wait.
It is not one of the most important… especially because Esports themselves aren’t important..
@@-.Outlaw.- Idiot
@@dozensofknives9104 what a tremendous argument
Discouraging news, especially from hearing from TK's perspective
Im a little outdated...who is TK?
What did he say?
@@kaarD04 TkBreezy, super smash bros commentator. He recently uploaded a twitch vod discussing the drama, as he is a panda sponsored commentator. He talks of the spot this puts him in since he's a part of the company that is hurting the scene. Watch the vid for better clarification
@@miguelangelserrano-arteaga1265 Panda is going to bleed staff like crazy in the aftermath of this, there's no way they'll be able to rope along anyone who actually cares about the community. If there's still a panda for a 2024 panda cup I'll be shocked.
@@uponeric36 far as I'm concerned Alan needs to step down and disappear. Cause if all this is true then he's a scumbag and should leave the smash community behind. Cause right when things were going well his greed blows a hole in the progress. He should allow players/commentators out of their contracts after this mess
I’m really wondering if a lawsuit is in order somehow. We have yet to hear an official statement from Alan, but if this trend continues, then we’re gonna have 3 different stories from Panda, SWT & Nintendo which sucks. VGBC might have a 4th official statement too (idk how much they were involved).
I think VGBC responded to the PR Nintendo made hours after the initial drop. Mostly boiling down to, sure you didn't tell us to shutdown but you made us read in between the lines, which is you are going to be shutdown if you continue. Remember that Big House Online was okay with continuing it until Nintendo sent a Cease and Desist letter when The Big House didn't "read between the lines."
The way employment is in the esports realm this is a crushing blow to the community.. Someone who makes such brash decisions without full clarity of the impact they cause does not need to be at the helm of any competitive gaming/governing bodies.. This is the type of move that kills a scene, a scene that people have put so much time and energy into only to have some shortsighted nitwit mess it up.
Alan lost his head. I'll be willing to give him some time for a response but time is limited and trust is gone
@@ABC-ik9vj agreed. But I sadly think we’ll get different responses/official statements from all the companies involved. Then it’s really gonna turn into a “he said, she said” battle and all the fans will be split blaming both Nintendo or Panda unless one of them has such good evidence that it clears their name.
Bros acting like he plays a big part
@@Quinners08 If you’re speaking about Alan, then yes, he does. 100%.
@@Ruuan_ No the commentor
@@Quinners08 The commenter is a part of the smash community and we all make a whole. His comment is just as important as any other.
I'm 100% convinced Alan strong-armed Nintendo.
He'll probably try to spin the narrative and say: "I was trying to give Nintendo more incentive to keep partnering with us by making the Panda Cup more popular"
In which case, at least he should've actually told TO's that instead of that SWT was "going to fail"
Maybe he "thought Nintendo would shut it down" even though they could've done that a long time ago.
Alan will try to spin this narrative somehow, but the damage has already been done. He was probably counting on people blaming Nintendo.
Yeah, I doubt this was 100% Nintendo on a whim
There's no way you should be 100% sure...
This is truly something awful that has happened. Not only cause of the SWT cancellation, but also the public image of Panda and the future of Competitive Smash Bros. Because of the conflicts involving the Panda CEO and likely some (but certainly not all) Nintendo Executives, the future of Competitive Smash now in danger.
As Hbox said, “What is to be gained?”
It sounds like Panda wanted to kill the competition on who gets to be the biggest smash tournament by making sure there is no competition and they would have an monopoly over this market, which is only good if the market on tourements in inelastic to which I'm not sure of
Competitive smash seriously cannot catch a break
seems they are not that far off with The Skull girls community too: in terms of this kind of struggle.
its extra disappointing considering the fact that it seemed like we were making some real progress with nintendo. i guess they'll never learn
Bro the @ 💀💀💀
This is more on the panda ceo (as far as we know) than nintendo.
@@ArtieOfAstora im the real moistcritikal
@@fantaflops wow it's an honor
@@fantaflops Why you wasting your time, Charlie? Go record a fucking video lol
I just arrived in Texas from
Australia to watch the SWT and then it gets canceled...
I’m pretty pissed off
You have grown so much I am proud of you Hbox
Grown how? Lol
@@Morimoto94 obviously he gain 10 inches💀
Damn, that really sucks I was looking forward to watching it
I'm a full grown man and this brought tears to my eyes. I feel so bad... this is so sad.. I was looking forward to this all year...
Seems like Alan just wants a monopoly on smash so all the money goes to them. I can see Nintendo going with this as it means more for them. Maybe one day we can have people in leadership positions that actually do things for reasons other than money.
Honestly Alan pushing for exclusive rights to essentially the scene (via licensing rights) and sabotaging the tournament when he couldn’t get it shouldn’t go unanswered.
I love some of the Panda players, but the CEO of Panda needs to be completely expelled from the scene. He should never make another cent off of our love for the game ever again. I hope the players can find another sponsor cause I can’t support anything affiliated with Panda when it comes to Smash ever again.
What looks promising on paper is not always what it seems in real life. Life hits hard bro 😔.
Panda should get completely atomized for Alan's greed. Dude absolutely ruined Smash for half of 2023 and (potentially) the rest of smash's lifespan. Get Dunked On Alan, you monster.
I don't know how y'all put up with this. I would've given up ages ago. Mad respect and best wishes to all of you.
I think this situation is two different issues, the first is Nintendo shutting down SWT, which is like Evo all over again but on a much bigger scale. Hopefully Nintendo comes to their senses and realize they gain nothing from this. The second issue is Alan and Panda acting like a mafia trying to scoop up the entire Smash market by bullying people. The BTS/Panda situation in particular is borderline criminal, trying to scare people to break contracts and pay Panda “or else something bad might happen to your company/tournament.” With BTS corroborating this, there is nothing Alan can say to save himself, and Panda is probably dead too. I don’t believe this “99% of Panda didn’t know” BS, the talent probably didn’t know but I am confident people behind the scenes knew exactly how Alan was recruiting these events to switch from SWT to Panda.
Truly the darkest timeline
What's a timeline?
I'm SO SAD.... I WANTED TO SEE MY FIRST SUPER MAJOR... AND IT WAS ALSO BEING HELD IN SAN ANTONIO, the city I live in... 😭
What you said at the end was breaking my heart. I hope it all turns around for all Smash.
Sad day for the smash scene and VGBC in particular. Just when the game can reach new heights with popularity and reach, it's all taken away. I'm anxiously waiting to hear more from Panda and Nintendo.
I'm about halfway through the video so if this gets answered later, my apologies. But in what world is it fair that Panda's CEO gets to spread misinformation, misrepresent Nintendo, and still keep their license? How are they not the ones being shut down and SWT get's to move forward?
Nintendo pulls out SWT would dead either way
No matter what, I haven't even seen the whole video but still, I just hate how us as a community is not even seen truly officially by Nintendo and sees more of us as a nuisance throughout the years. I just wish I could have gone to my first real big tournament not only was it to enjoy with friends and see the community, it was going to be so cool having that tournament in my home city, MY HOME CITY. It really is something that makes me so frustrated being a fan of both the Nintendo and Super Smash Brothers Ultimate.
panda players need to drop panda, they're already getting harassed and it isin't going to stop im guessing
they can't just drop Panda. They're contractually obligated to stay until the contract ends
My brother Contracts exist
Contracts exist, and even if they could break it, they are still in an awful situation. Panda is probably a helpful source of income, especially since playing smash doesn't get you that much.
And if the community has a decline, I doubt E-Sports teams would want to pick up players from a game that is dying (Also the Panda players aren't the top of the top making their chances lower).
It sems they are stuck in a lose-lose situation.
You......don't know what a contract is do you? They can't just "drop" Panda. Cauze trust me if they could I guarandamntee you a few of them would have done so already
And this is why panda did what they did. They held their players hostage knowing they'd be forced to play under the panda monicer for all this to blow over. The machine won't stop if the players are held hostage and people will eventually forget. Thus this will all blow over...unfortunately.
This seems to always happen when a Smash tournament of this magnitude is attempted.
Whether it’s on Nintendo’s side or on the organizer’s side, somebody always ends up pulling the plug for one reason or another.
It just seems Smash is cursed to always have bad news when something looks up for the competitive community.
I honestly think panda helped Nintendo get smash out of evo this year
@@ABC-ik9vj smash was not at Evo because it interfered with the panda cup. That’s what I was hearing around that time
No, it was because sony is owner of EVO, the anuncement dropping EVO was before the Panda Cup
Nintendo is a business first as always, nobody wants to get sued these days if theirs shaky business that's dirty business and could land you in legal troubles, can't say I blame Nintendo for this.
I feel bad for the players and partners of Panda who are gonna get a fuck ton of flack for this. But the blame lies with one dude, and that is Alan. The only way to fix this and get his company back in popularity would be for him to leave the company, period.
This sucks, I’ve heard some people say that this is the end of smash. But I disagree. We, as a community will get through this. As long as we have a good amount of people playing smash and competing in tournaments and be as passionate as us this game will never die.
Yeah, unless Nintendo decides to end us all.
Dr Alan = Darth vader
Nintendo = Emperor Palpatine
Smash World Tour: All the master jedis
I personally feel it's more like this:
Dr Alan = spoiled little brother
SWT = mature older brother
Nintendo = daddy
That or
Dr Alan = Palpatine
Nintendo = Vader
If there's anything I know for certain,
Smashers will get through this once again. The competitive scene has been on the verge of death so many times, we will find a way even if (as silly as it may sound) we go underground.
You do not talk about Smash Club.
Was wondering when you'd talk about it. Wondering what will happen to the likes of marss
Sounds like Panda wanted complete control.
Blonde and Flower Boy are two of my favorite albums ever. You have great taste man
I don’t even blame Nintendo for this. By what it sounds like, WHAT THE HELL WAS PANDA DOING?????
Nintendo definitely DID have a role. But they did the action, not the thinking. Perhaps Alan spooked them by threatening the panda cup if SWT continued this year.
Smash has survived this before, we'll survive it again
Idk man. People are just getting sick of fighting just to play the damn game. Not to mention a lot of money, more than ever in fact, went into this. It's not something you can just bounce back from. They already paid for a series they can't do anymore. They probably aren't getting refunds. This could legit kill smash as a scene
The community will survive this but this can cripple the entire scene for maybe even years.
Dang another one got axed, I don’t understand how Nintendo can be so cruel to its fans. The higher ups need to learn some things
its just how they operate, Japanese corporate culture is horribly antiquated, they dont care
did you watch the video?
But this time it's different, it's mostly Panda's ceo Fault, apparently he convinced Nintendo to shut down the tournament because it wasn't officially licensed and he wants Panda to be the only place to compete
My guess is that Panda's contract with nintendo locked up nintendo from holding other smash events for 2023. That's why Nintendo was pretty much good until they signed those contracts with panda. It sounds like it's something the CEO of Panda wanted already too
i really hope the players who are contractually obligated to play gentleman to taking turns top-decking with Hero, only other moves allowed are up-b jump and airdodge to recover to stage.
FD of course, standing center stage every turn
Heartbreaking because doing it with Nintendo's seal of approval would have meant possibility for Sakurai to make a guest appearance during one of the tournaments
How will this affect Esam's legacy
We gotta spam like VGBootcamps UA-cam. It’s at least a start. Gimr does too much for the community for us to not back him now
Except for supporting kid touchers
This sucks I feel bad for the smash community they can’t catch a break
When Nintendo denied VGBC the license the statement by VGBC says Nintendo gave VGBC a reason for denying the license "that was based on misinformation". I have an idea that this misinformation might be about Stealth-UCF set ups at VGBC tournaments. Maybe Panda's CEO provided proof of that to Nintendo (since there is a common belief that this happens at all tournaments, also in the Panda Circuit), that this was happening at VGBC/Summit events explaining why Nintendo didn't want to give a license anymore
What would happen if two players in a game just decided not to move? Could it shut down the panda cup lol? Just hunger games it
Didnt that happen in Evo 2018 iirc? Two bayonetta's just stood still charging their guns for a couple minutes before they were forced to move or else get disqualified
Ah, Michael vs bananas
😂😂 but hbox could get away with it
Sure they would be DQ'd, but there's nothing stopping players from doing it.
I feel like everyone deep down knew this was going to happen
it never fails that every time i think nintendo is finally doing something for the community, it backfires and does more harm than good
Eh....i wouldn't go as far to blame Nintendo much
It’s Alan’s fault.
I still haven’t seen any correspondence uploaded from Nintendo tbh all I’ve seen so far is hear say, like what’s stopping anyone from uploading these convos online so we have a better concept of what’s goin on?
This is devastating and heartbreaking. It seems really hard to think Panda had nothing to do with it, even if a statement comes out from Alan contradicting all of this. It is horrible to watch Nintendo treat the community this bad and it is even more horrible to realize that people would f* up the community to prioritize their own greed
Bust out the Ness Juan!
Called it since day 1 of the announcement. Really sad moment.
This last minute U-Turn is just a big F-U to the fans, and if Nintendo actually take down Mario flipping the fans off, it’s officially cannon. (That last part was satire.)
We'll get through this
I honestly don't think we will unless Panda is done for.
@@Spyder-Marth If what people are saying is actually true, me and 9001 of my homies will literally not watch anything Panda makes in the future. Would you?
NO
@@TheTELproductions Does this apply to the sponsors you love?
Guys I have a theory. Just recently, Maister was denied entry to Port Priority 7 due to discrimination. Part of the Smash World Tour. Based on Nintendo's change on attitude, this possibly could have been used as the catalyst for shutdown.
Panda straight up pulling mafioso tactics like The Sopranos, or pulling a straight up coup like in Game Of Thrones by proclaiming and asserting Joffrey as king.
Panda Cup could be the most watched event just to see how creative the pros get with not playing the match.
Real life sarcastaball moment.
Well stated, in the off chance a Nintendo rep is in the comments: I will not be purchasing Nintendo consoles, games, or DLC until a clear answer is given in relation to the rights to host tournaments. I will continue to not support Nintendo if at very least easy and expansive approvals are given to tourneys nationwide. It isn't a complex situation when you consider the bottomline, your customers pay for the experience Nintendo provides and to me and many others, this is a large part of that experience. Tourneys=exposure=game sales=allowance to make more awesome games.
Thank you for reading.
They ain't reading your melodramatic rant. They don't care about you. They never have.
@@toxsun 'off chance' and you felt the need to respond so it's at least hitting an audience. But hey at least my time isn't spent responding to something that's 'melodramatic' in my opinion
Damn and the panda controller looked so cool
The team at nintendo that worked with VGBC was absolutely correct. There is no logical reason why SWT and PG Cup could not coexist. Alan's actions are the only way something like this could have happened. Truly horrible.
Everyone that has to go should just go icies and break the wobble rules
I always say it’s best to hear both sides before making any judgements.
I suspect Nintendo likes their game being represented as a popular esport, they're just wary about involving themselves with certain people, and certain behavior.
I mean I don't blame them the smash community it filled with a bunch of weirdos.
it sounds like nintendo doesn't want to license a tournament that's already been announced. To be safe they should ask for licensing 1-2 years in the future I guess.
But that really isn't viable for quick or small tournaments.
And panda's ceo was behaving weird.
I just recently bought Panda merch so I'm seriously hoping it turns out that Alan wasn't to blaim, however...... for at least now I'm putting the tshirts under my other shirts.
if it comes out that panda will stay owned by Alan, and that it was in fact his fault, i'm just going to donate those shirts immediately
I got a custom track jacket and pro hat because I love the players and they were my transition to being more competitive, it hurts because I still love the players, but the org has fucked up and wearing their merch feels wrong
return them, blast their customer support even if you ordered it a long time ago
@@AJZTheMagnificent exactly, same here.
Marss especially, but also Wadi, ESAM, Vikki, TK, Little Z, legit most of the team, they're the people I watch the most on UA-cam
What I wish people took more seriously is how long Nintendo took to reply, most of this could've been prevented if they had good communication, which they do not, even if worst case scenario where Panda's CEO pulled the strings to become the main focal point of the competitive smash scene, if Nintendo had replied to the World Tour months ago, most of this mess would've been prevented.
I do believe most of the people working for Panda have no say in this and the entire organization should be punished as a whole, if this was Nintendo's direct order then there's not much that can be done, they already stated they want to be involved now and this is the price for that, even if their involvement is really bad.
If as i mentioned before, this is the Worst case scenario, then its all up to how Panda handles it, if the guy at the top gets removed from the company, or they let it sink with him.
Can someone provide a summary of what’s going on? I’m confused at what Panda did
If I'm correct, CEO of Panda Global being a sussy baka and intimidating other tournaments or else he'll get daddy Nintendo involved.
That's what I'm getting out of this.
Panda's CEO is convincing Nintendo to shut down smash tournaments is the best summary I can give
Panda's CEO used Attract! Nintendo is now infatuated with Panda!
Nintendo used Legal Threats (well it was more like "read in-between the lines of our statement." It was super effective!
Panda used backstab on Smash Community, it was super effective!
Short version? The Panda CEO (that's VERY important here not the players) was going around basically bullying other tournaments to the point where he'd get Nintendo involved. All in the name of greed
Thank you for being my number one news source when it comes to smash. I love smash even as a casual and it sucks to hear this. Hopefully one day Smash can find a good balance and be taken seriously as the Esport it is
Most level-headed take so far. Would the Panda CEO really do something so absolutely asinine? Perhaps, but let's wait until more information comes out.
It's not in panda org best interest to add wood to the fire
Like eventually there will be new tournaments that are funded by nintendo with more money but the soul of the community is gonna be absolutely neutered
Mang0 better drop out and give his spot to ScorpionMaster
Just make it a low tier tourney for melee and for Ultimate Steve only tourney
Scrpmster #1
this will be a huge mistake because the more people who hear about this, the more people will get a bad taste about the panda cup. So this whole situation is burned, and the worst part is the actions the CEO has allegedly taken makes him appear untrustworthy with his response.
Juan spittin facts at the end there talking about how we are all a big part of this, how this hurts us all...
Nintendo needs to fix this ASAP.
How could they ?
They don't HAVE to do anything. They own the IP, its theirs to do with it as they wish.
I really hope it's scenario A, where Alan was forced to do this. Because if not, it would be just pure evil
Greed leads man to do terrible things
Not from wat the co founder of BTS. Said in Twitter he was saying that Alan was pressuring other TO’s to sign with panda and drop SWT
@@Thepathyouseek The director of GG also hs confirmed the same behavior regarding Panda's CEO.
@@Thepathyouseek I mean, maybe he was telling them so that their grass roots events weren't taken down. If Alan knew that those who weren't licensed by Nintendo couldn't play anymore, maybe he tried to rescue those events(?) I'm trying to find a good side to the story, although it seems unlikely.
@@felipegodoy5342 that’s reaching but alrighty
At this point, I’m not even surprised… I just knew things were too good to be true when the World Tour and the Panda Cup were announced at the same time. I just knew one of those tourneys would be shut down. #FuckNintendo #PandaHigherUps
It all makes sense, Pandas consume grassroots all day while doing nothing productive and they don't even like to smash. It was right before our eyes the entire time
If it comes out that Panda was responsible, I'd hope there'd be a boycott
I don’t understand with what authority Nintendo is able to shut things down. It’s time to take them to court, they have absolutely no case in the US or Europe. We should just start a fund to challenge them legally.
Nintendo technically does own full and complete right to their game, and they can decide what happens with it.
ua-cam.com/video/BpVLM2KTld0/v-deo.html
They own the rights to stream the game. Technically every company has every right to take down videos and streams of their game. They usually don’t but it’s within their legal right to do it
@@defectivesickle5643 That’s not how IP works in the US (or even in Europe). Nintendo has absolutely no case, just like they don’t have a case against modding or emulation (in the US or Europe). They rely on people being afraid of the amount of money it’d take to prove them wrong. And that’s all.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! How stupid can you be? Good luck with that, by the way. Everyone thinks their a IP lawyer on the internet.
I chose to point two middle fingers at both for now until they come out with all the information and full transparency.
Looks like i’ll be cancelling my nintendo online, unsubscribing from all panda stuff, and sending the extra 5$ a month i have vgbootcamps way 🤷♂️
Seems like Nintendo was willing to work with the SWT as long as the SWT didn't violate IP, then Panda CEO must've went past the Nintendo Reps and straight to the higher ups. The Nintendo higher ups must've been persuaded by the Panda CEO to put a stop to the SWT and the Nintendo Reps simply had to relay the bad news. Truly unfortunate.
Man this all makes so much sense, all this snakery behind the scenes with scaring off smaller organizers. Ill bet money too that alot of these events that were forced to backout were on non american soil… like oceania, Eu and various canadian tournaments.. this was called smash world tour for a reason…
Nintendo tried to fix the issue.
One greedy, slimy Panda guy decided to create a toxic conversation with Nintendo and run with the spoils.
Ends up single-handedly DESTROYING the ENTIRE community including himself.
Truly pathetic and petty.
licensing for streaming a smash tourney? I can understand stage music, but maps? they agreed to be in the game and anything associated with the game, if they didn't want that, THEN DON'T HAVE UR SHT IN SMASH, 2nd it just sounds like Nintendo and Panda are monopolizing this because that's the only place to see a big smash tourney, well to be fair its legal, its their property, but maybe some new laws need to come out around this stuff to regulate it better
I don't understand why you would legally need approval from nintendo to run the tournament. If you bought the game, then it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it.