Martin's New Mac Ultra Fixtures Announced
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Martin announced the Mac Ultra series of fixtures last week. Join me as we take a first look at the specs and features of their new LED flagship moving fixtures. I’ve been a Martin fanboy for a long time, and I’m excited to see how the Mac Ultra Performance and Wash fixtures perform in the field.
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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
0:48 Martin’s History
2:15 Mac Ultra Reveal
3:12 Product Video
4:02 Lumen Output
5:43 LED Engine Life
7:43 Colors
8:10 Optics
9:00 Focus Plane
11:50 Shutter Module
13:26 Gobos
14:24 Animation Wheel
15:55 Control Panel
16:50 Construction
17:35 Ethernet
19:45 Specifications Discussion
20:50 Conclusion
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2 videos close together this is amazing
who could ever dislike a Christian Jackson video?? There's so interesting and high quality
We on Christian Jackson grind rn
2 videos in 2 days?!?!? You're spoiling us!
I absolutely LOVE the long form content! Please continue to make this awesome videos we love you Christian!!!
i love these reaction videos! hope you can do more in the future!
also shiiiiii your room looks good, i caught a stream of you painting it a while ago but the finished product looks great
I can't wait to play with them on a festival stage. Or spec them for a tour.
They would play well with my r&b artist.
Hey man, almost at 100k let’s go! Proud of you bro, such an encouragement and a learning experience for me man.
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I have no clue what's going on I was just given this video by a friends but I wanted to say it's pretty cool and your setup looks extremely well put together. Also wanted to say de-rating is an excellent way to increase service life of most components, from jet engines to bearings. De-rating your average ball bearing to 70% of its rated load increases its life by 2.9 times, for example. And also now I want a multiple tens of thousands of dollars light.
Return of the King
i dont know anything about lights but i watched this entire video
Awesome video Christian, that fixture looks insane !
As a person from Denmark, i really loved that intro :D xD
Me too!
Sadly, no longer Danish.
Martin is now owned by Samsung.
@@TryptychUK all the engineers in Denmark are still very Danish :-)
@@wouterverlinden3950 For sure, but the money doesn't stay in Denmark. It's happening everywhere these days.
These product videos are (oddly) one of the most exciting things for us LD’s, and it was fun to watch this for the first time with you. I’ll gladly starve myself of future releases if you plan to do more of these haha.
Happy to have you back, CJ! Congrats on the new digs, really excited for you brother.
Thank you! I do plan on doing these type of videos more often. They don’t require that much work (maybe only 5-6 hours total, vs 30-40 on an average video) and they are fun to do.
@@christianjackson Would you be interested in getting to demo the new Halcyon fixture from High End?
I never take this kind of video for granted thanks for this! 🙌🏾
I LOVE YOUR UPLOAD SCHEDULE
great study thank you
Lovely video. Greetings from Denmark. :)
I still have the wizard and 6 of the mx10.. 2 videos back to back.. hope you upload more content..
First moving head lighting I owned were martain mini mac and I still have some of these one arm bandits. Great review, thanks
Fell in love with the Pro 400 then saw the Mac 600. Love those fixtures. 👍
Bro we need to back! I miss you content so much
I'm currently 14 years old and i already got 4 Martin Mac 600's!
Brilliant
Martin is the best lighting ever that I love to play with, in my church, all the lighting is Martin, from Mac 250 krypton, Mac 250 Wash, Mac 600, Mac 575, Mac 700, Mac 700 Wash, And MiniMac Profile. The Console I Programmed Is Martin M1 and Martin Lightjockey. Martin Lighting Is My Legend😍😍👍👍
I watched on the Zoom call on the 17th. It is a nice fixture. In the Q&A, they do not have plans for a Profile unit or a WASH DX version as of now.
We got a dozen of the ERA 800s just before we shut down last year. And our 800s are impressive and the Ultra just goes that bit further. I do like both gobo wheels are rotating. And as for the Red in the color mixing, it is better than what I have seen in other comparable manufactures. We were torn between the Hurcan X and the ERA, our designers wanted the ERA because of the Red in the color mixing. The Hurcan X was orangish.
Great Vid , thank you
Used to work with Martin professional operating the 218 and 1220 scanners
Also Robo colours and the Martin professional centrepiece good times controlled through a 3032
Love Martin Roboscans; I have a couple Roboscan 518 Pro's...and still use them. :)
he really linked a lego stage😂, shoutout to the discord gang!✌🏼awesome video christian!👍🏼
Question is, when will he buy a gigbar move?
@Nicky The Spider true
Hope you will visit Denmark one day! Great video :D
And I'm here thought my four FutureLight MH660 for hobby and party with friends are badass.
These things are badass but awkward and heavy. Had a great chance to work with them while setting up for Eric Church a few weeks back, such a cool fixture!
The only martin product i owned was a martin mx-1 the baby version of the one you have a 24v 250w halogen bulb fixed color/gobo wheel and thats it
bits of martin history... i still got 6 working 812's taken from the first live venue i ever worked at in my garage..
I love the effects in the Performance, and like you, I really like the gobo set. One thing you did say that I think is perhaps a touch inaccurate is that ±83º is pretty standard. I believe most lights with an included framing shutter system rotate ±45º, for a full rotation of 90º. A full rotation of 166º is pretty far, at least as far as most lights with a framing system are concerned.
If I had a complaint about the effects, it would be the "frost", which is - as many manufacturers are including these days - not a true frost that blurs, but instead is more of a "contrast reducer" UNTIL it's all the way in. I'd prefer a true variable frost that gives an edge softening effect, or at least have two of them so I have a choice - both have value as an effect.
Wow, Martin has really stepped up their game since the last fixture that I've used... MAC 250+ Gang RISE UP!
Ahhh the 250+.... so many hours put into troubleshooting and fixing them hahahah
@@02otra 😂 TRUE
We still have some Mac 250, Mac 750 and Mac 2000 stashed up somewhere. Only fixtures I've ever worked with actually - oh and Mac rush mh2, but I don't really count those. :D
wash, spot, profile....these for me were the mainly ones with all the Hybrids matches you can find out there, but then cool you explained to me also this thing i forgot about what a performance actually is....but are you sure that no profile (moving light) will do the same with shutters? thanks a lot by the way all interesting I wish I can run some cool Iris spread into colourful rays and turnable shutters soon..All the best! And good look with all the rest
Nice
I still have 6 MX10's Bought them 3rd hand and aside from the prism bearings freezing up on them, they are still solid. Hard to beat the speed of a scanning mirror.
Agreed! It’s sad that scanners will probably never have the prominence they had in the 90s/00s again. I appreciate the occasional new scanner release
Can you please do a tour of your like studio/warehouse where you keep all your supplies and lights and stuff?
The company I work for set up a stage in the warehouse for livestreaming. Our rig includes four Mac 700s and four Studio Spot 575s
I just loaded-in 30 or so Ultras and the first thing I noticed was that the P/T motors had a lot of torque(even when off). Although I didn't see the fixtures put to the test I imagine that meant this light could potentially be fairly quick for it's size. Yeah, the size is just a little bit smaller than a Mac III although when we fired them up the power coming out of them was impressive. (but then again a Quantum profile can beat a Mac III regarding output so not really fair to compare Mac III with anything modern, ( at least from your average rental house inventory)). More impressive was the (blue) color coming out of the 60 Mac Aura PXLs I loaded in on the same rig. Veeery nice.
......Another note regarding CRI I've noticed a lot of manufacturers these days giving good CRI values ONLY when applying a filter which, Christian, you've noted, is by virtue of a filter and everyone should realize that you're output intensity will be significantly degraded when applying that filter. Just a data point if your'e spec'ing lights for a show. (I haven't done any measurements on this but I understand the relationship of native CRI values vs filtered CRI values). ( ....God Damn that's a lot of text. I'll stop typing....).
Looks very nice to me. Continuous animation is nice, was looking at getting some used VL4000's, thoughts on that fixture?
Not sure what part of entertainment you're in but I'd warn against the VL4k. The green color coming out of that fixture is AWEFUL! ( I know your comment was 8 months ago but dude, don't do it if you haven't already made that mistake).
What are your thoughts on JB-Lighting? Have you ever worked with their products? Like a P18/P7 or Sparx
history of intelligent lighting was from discos and theater lighting from analog and dmx. You mentioned cost more to have art net in a fixture. From a light designer stand point is it more cost effective art net vs dmx cables?
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4:23 They actually measured these values at the projection surface, not at the end of the lens ;) Not sure if they mentioned this in the promo, but they did in the live q&a.
Correct.
The specified lumens (46.500 and 63.500) are actually measured "on the wall".
NOT in an integrating sphere (as that would count spill light as well).
NOT the lumens of the naked LEDs itself (as that's not what you get out).
hey Christian, tip for when you do more videos of this style, the comma (,) and period (.) keys allow you to go back and forth frame by frame in the youtube viewer
thank you! Very helpful
@@christianjackson no problem
Can we see a comparison with the Elation equivalents? I know a lot of the electronics internally is the same.
Sweet fixture, but overkill for my needs. I'm in the process of spec'ing a new light to replace 16 VL2500's on a TV show. I did a shootout with the VL alongside an Encore CLD, Viper performance, and an ERA 600. The ERA 600 was the clear winner for us. Have you worked with this fixture? Any thoughts on this new, lower priced Martin light? I know it's made in China, but it seems solid, well built, and it performs beautifully.
Watched the demo on this the other week.... INSANE.... Would love to see these go head to head against the Flagship Chauvets, even tho some would probably consider it pointless lol
Working on getting a head to head shootout with the major current gen led profiles as well as most current HID fixtures
Hi I have the Chauvet MK3 profiles in NJ that you can borrow for your video 😁
Have you used Claypaky's Axcor series? How would you compare them to other LED fixtures? They also released the Arolla Profile last year that has similar specs as the Mac ultra.
I have not used them. Sadly don’t run into many new cp fixtures over here
My was the trackspot
I have a soft spot for older Martin Fixtures. Sadly even the 2ks. But the 700s are still great fixtures. Martin in my opinion makes easy to repair fixtures as well.
Martin says LED Mac III go brrr. Mac Ultra looks like a beast!
You know any online courses on lighting design
Could you compare these against a JB Lighting P18?
yes my form Denmark
It was the Mac 250 entour for me 😭
I’ll never forget how excited I was to use them for the first time
OMG SAME!!! MAC 250 GANG!
MAC 301s workhorses
Bro me too I am learning the ligth I control the Grand MA 2 I am from Sénégal
Just wish they would have put a two, or three, colored gobo like we last had in the Mac 3s. Why did they stop doing this? Was a nice option and nowadays all the gobos are glass to begin with.
Help me wrap my head around the power requirements of these fixtures ... How many can you have on a single 20amp circuit? Seems like we are pushing the limits of a 15amp circuit as it is?
Hey Christian, how can you turn execute buttons automatically off, so i dont have to do it with macro's?
Create a release cue at the end of the sequence with an appropriate trigger mode.
1300W? Whoh I would want to see power distros and live-current monitoring on some big event. :) That must be interesting.
Nah, As an electrician for such gigs the best you can do is make it boring as hell. In advance you just calculate for MAXIMUM load for that circuit and it is what it is. No need to monitor anything constantly on show site.. We already know in advance what the maximum possible load is for each circuit we put a light on. If the show can't afford the total power needed to run the lights the LD wants to run then that's on them. (of course if you're the electrician you let show know in advance what's needed). If done properly, when the show gets loaded-in you can tell the LD he can run everything at 100% because you've already calculated for that. That's how the pro rigs are run.
I can't believe that these lights are $12,000 a piece! It's amazing to me how many you see at a concert. You're talking millions in lights alone.
Yeah, hence the justification for rental houses like PRG, 4Wall, Christie Lites, etc.... They keep these lights out on rental and can justify the cost. For you're common black box theater , bar, church it doesn't make sense to spend that kind of dough.
I'm expecting it's biggest competitor to be the Robe Forte, would be really interesting to to a side by side comparison between those
Agreed. I’ve got a light meter on order and I am working on getting my hands on both (as well as a few others)
We have done many side by side shootouts with the Robe Forte.
Go see it for yourself :-)
@@wouterverlinden3950 Have you uploaded your Forte shootout? I'd like t see it.
Love my studio rig of Mac 250's, TW1's and 700's, plus I got to add 4 Mac III's to it last year, it's a lot of fun. Not as fun as a Viper/Aura/Atomic festival rig over summer, but hey, can't win them all. These look like a beast, can't wait till they make it to NZ in 2030... Still haven't seen the Encore here :-P
Nice work on the audio by the way, super pleasant, and so much freedom, beats a fixed mic any day.
Still sad I’ve never used a TW1 :/ sounds like a fun rig!
@@christianjackson I'd die without them on a 2 hour live kids show. #chaos
With a draw of 1380w I am a bit surprised it doesn’t allow for 120v operation.
I still have 6 martin MX10s
Looks like a nice upgrade from the Quantum Profiles i'm used to using, but likely too big and too costly for me to ever get to use them.
Well, the MAC Ultra isn't in the same category as the MAC Quantum.
It's two very different size/weight/output fixtures for very different stage sizes.
I see this replacing the existing Vipers on everbody's rigs. Not too sure about the wash though, It doesn't have a barndoor system which is surprising, I see the wash replacing any VL3500 Washes especially with its 63.5KLumen output which is nearly as bright as the VL3500 with the same size fixture and very similar feature sets.
We did consider internal barndoors / framing for the Wash.
But, to make the optical system work with framing, we would have ended with much less than 63.500 lumen.
So we decided to prioritize raw lumen output over framing on the Wash.
If you want a framing Wash, the MAC Ultra Performance with the optional heavy frost is a great solution.
@@wouterverlinden3950 I was thinking just that, regarding the use of the ultra perfromance with frost. That makes a lot of sense though as to why there is an absence of barndoors, that raw lumen power will work wounders in a large arena/stadium or as a super punchy backlight wash, there really isn't any other modern wash fixture (other than the old VL3500 wash) that fits in that super high brightness category, can't wait to spec a handful of them as backlights! Thanks for the insight :)
Aaand, the original design of the the MA-system was done in Denmark by a dane ;)
It's huge. And heavy. Definitely a two-person lift.
I could barely do the encores by myself in a lift
How do you feel about 4 facet linear prism's?
Those are fine with me. The circular 4 facet just lacks character for me
Well THATS a chongus
But I love it
Neeeeerds!
So what I'm wondering is if they could make what would essentially be a digital projector with all these same optics and then you would be able to get rid of some of these components. You wouldn't need real gobo's really. You could change them to whatever you want or upload new ones. The shutter effect could be digital. Prisms would be probably still useful but could possibly be a digital plug in. The only thing you would need is like a ridiculously bright projector sensor and the lenses to throw focus. It would probably make the light 4x the cost and half as bright though. I wonder how a high end projector chip compares to a high watt cob led output power wise? I love the engineering in these types of things if you can't tell. They're really little marvels and most people that watch a show have no idea how complicated these lights are. I'm a sound engineer for smaller stuff and I got to go out with an LD that had his own rig, with some movers, follow spots and wash. It was a huge rig for the shows we were doing but a small rig in the brand scheme of things and it blew my mind how complicated everything was. I have an engineering background in my day job and I think that just made it blow my mind even more. On the surface it seems like it's not so bad, but as you start peeling back layers, it gets deep real quick. Different universes, and groups and a crazy amount of channels per light and all of the different lights use those channels differently so you more or less have to either know or research them. The amount of control in the programming stage.
Yeah, It's true, It's way more complicated these days but to your point of basically shooting light at digital mirrors (like in a video projector) results in intensity losses are far greater than what you get when just projecting LED emitters through a physical gobo. ...Even still there're a few new fixtures out there that are projecting video but pay attention to their output lumens of these types of fixtures. They're nowhere near that of those employing emitters going through physical gobos.
looking at that LED engine. Optics have 84 beads on it are there also 84 LED's under it? 1150W that will be 13,69W per LED.
Performance: 553,57 lumen lux per LED 40,43lm/W
Wash: 755,95 lumen lux per LED 55,21lm/W
Yes, lot of lumen output is be lost in optics, lenses etc.
Correct. It is 84 LEDs at 20W each (1680W).
But we drive them at maximum 1150W.
Which massively extends the lifetime of the LEDs.
And completely removes the need for an exchangeable LED engine.
Definitely impressive but have to say 44 kg is alot. The encores way 32 kg which is already quite heavy.
Well, the MAC Ultra is more than 3 times as bright as the MAC Encore.
Different size/weight/output... Different market...
@@wouterverlinden3950 absolutely agreed. Im all for brighter fixtures with more features. You're right cant really compare it to an encore. However having lifted a couple encores the other week i forgot how heavy they are and find 44 to be a little excessive in general.
Really high lumens,our 1200W led profile new out lumens is around 53000,we still need to fight for more brightness ....it is really new standard
From my own experience, any Martin product that is not as bad as a MAC 301 is a good produce (if you can call a MAC 301 a Martin product).
Idk 1% of the terms he is mentioning but it’s still interesting
It looks like a really great fixture and next industry standard. Let's be real, the Viper is realy old and is becoming obsolete, it's slow, colours are not-that-great (in my opinion) and there are many fixtures, that outperform it. But, I have to admit, that whenever there is a Viper in the rig, 99% od LDs will be okay with that.
However, for me, there is still this big BUT in all these latest LED engine fixtures, and that is the LED deterioration teaming up with the LED technology progress, which will inevitably happen. This is the reason why I am a big fan of Robe's Transferable Engine combined with power reserve in their fixtures like the Esprite or Forte. Basically, if anything happens (which will) you can just replace only the LED plate and not the whole block of fixture. With heavy use in the big rental companies, this will happen and it will be an issue. Guys from the Robe assume it will take about 2y of heavy use to see variance in white. Second, if, let's say, in the next 2 years, a new LED technology comes out, which will, Robe is capable of producing the new LED plates with the higher output or lower consuption or both, which, in my opinion, is really great forward thinking idea. Also, when ERA 800 and Esprite came out last year, we had them sit next to each other on did a live test. Output was comparable, but the colors and speed of Esprite was astonishing. This year the Forte came out, which should eventually replace the BMFL and it's in the same level as MAC Ultra.
Just a little disclaimer - I am as big fan boy of Robe as Christian is of Martin :D This may be due to the fact that Robe is producing really great fixtures, and/or by that I live in Slovakia, work in heavy-based Robe rental comapny (but we also the Clay Paky, Martin, Vari*Lite and GLP fixtures) and Robe's factory is practically behind the corner. Stay safe guys!
I agree 100% with everything you said here. Great perspective. I am certain that we will see manufacturers going to the same replaceable engine tech. Could be unfortunate timing for Martin, or it could be something where they come out with a similar system in an “ultra 2.0” refresh in another two years.
@@christianjackson I am really curious where this whole LED revolution will end up. I mean Ayrton is pushing hard the LED engines for the last few years, but there are not any big guns from them in my area (central europe) for me to try it and really tell, or to talk with some fellow LD, if it's worth the money, but looks decent from the videos. I hope they all, incl Martin and CP, done the math right because throw away milions of dollars in "various white" fixtures isn't gonna do them any good name, because, obviously, if you are buying the flagship fixtures, you want them to last at least as long as original Vipers or BMFLs
could you elaborate, why you love off-center dot so much?
Because it looks cool in haze
@@christianjackson thanks for your reply
The whole point of the off center dot is to rotate it. It creates movement in the beam that is not possible with other features. It’s just unique, that’s all.
CRI 66 ... I rather buy the JB Lighting P18 HP with 40.000 output lumens and a CRI of 70 than the Mac Ultra. The P18 also has a wider zoom range. The P18 is 12kg lighter. It's of course cheaper and made in Gemany.
I would suggest to do a shootout.
JB Lighting does not publish photometric reports or IES files, so it's very difficult to verify the figures they put in their marketing.
PS: The MAC Ultra has a Spectral Enhancement Filter, which you can slot in if you want higher CRI and TM-30 values.
@@wouterverlinden3950 The P18 also has a correction filter. JB lighting publishes both, source and output lumens.
@@julianreverse Whenever I see a nice rounded figure like 40.000, and no photometric report and/or IES files, I just assume it's "marketing lumens" and not "physical lumens"...
@@wouterverlinden3950 If there is a company you can trust it's JB Lighting. No marketing bullshit, no green washing, no bullshit.
Hey im 13 and i want to do this what you do and i wanted you too ask what this job named and little tipps or something like that to explain and this all thx :)
hol' up i live in Denmark and i didn't even know that Martin was a danish company lololol
Nice. I haven’t worked with anything DMX in a while and this made me so nostalgic.
@ 20:00 you get grumpy because they used metric. Nobody (person or company) should be putting any effort in continuing to perpetuate imperial measurements, they’re an embarrassment.
Also what’s with the 44kg vs 53kg discrepancy? (Including the packaging or something?)
it's just a bit for the video my man.
The Martin MAC Ultra Performance fixture itself is 44kg.
It is supplied in a rubber SIP insert (which slides directly into an empty flightcase), and that rubber SIP insert is pretty heavy (9kg).
Hence the shipping weight of 53kg.
Luckily you never need to lift those extra 9kg, unless when lifting the flightcase instead of tipping it :-)
The narrator sounds exactly like you lol.
He said show me the red i say show me the blue and how deep it can get.
I would like there to be a power thru tbh
From what I’ve heard, pass through is illegal for certain wattage devices in certain countries. I’m not 100% certain on this but I believe it’s due to the UL recognition.
@@christianjackson That sucks, because it is so much easier. I know that the Mac Aura got the pass through.
Yeah. because it is much lower wattage.
This fixture draws 1400W on its own.
Even if it had a power thru, you wouldn't be able to daisy-chain many fixtures from it.
We usually only put power thru on fixtures that draw less than 1000W, as then you can do some useful daisy-chaining.
@@wouterverlinden3950 Allright thank you, I appreciate the answer
Are we not gonna talk about how they recorded some guy panning around a Solidworks assembly and then used it in a product release video
The guy panning around that Solidworks assembly is actually the guy who designed the looks of the MAC Ultra.
@@wouterverlinden3950 And he did a great job! I think it's rather neat to see Solidworks being used to model these awesome fixtures ;)
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