Psychedelics, Unio Mystica, and the Divine Feminine with Moshe Idel

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  • @TheModernHermeticist
    @TheModernHermeticist Рік тому +4

    39:20: "When you use [Abulafia's techniques], you believe that his experience is your experience, and that is also a price."
    Very profound thought on the so-called 'scholar/practitioner' divide here. The emic/etic distinction is completely dissolved when we consider how contemporary practice is wrenched out of its original ancient/medieval context. As the idiom goes: "the past is a foreign country," and that is seldom acknowledged by modern practitioners of ancient/medieval techniques, magical, mystical, or otherwise.

    • @TheModernHermeticist
      @TheModernHermeticist Рік тому

      Zevi: "What do you think about Perennialism?"
      Idel: "I don't accept this way of thinking, I believe that it is an invention." *pops pill, takes a sip*
      I don't know why I laughed at this so much, the look on his face was priceless to me.

  • @monkeytrousers6180
    @monkeytrousers6180 Рік тому +14

    2 hour interview with Moshe Idel on his life and Kabbalah.
    Unbelievable
    Enjoyed every minute.

  • @47Strong
    @47Strong Рік тому +17

    Thank you Zevi! What a lovely gift to those of us so far from the study halls you frequent. I find him delightful. Such a thoughtful brain yet manages not to be too serious/earnest. Quite a skill. And the man is still writing! What tenacity!

  • @ChabadSociologist
    @ChabadSociologist Рік тому +9

    Surreal to watch you sit with Prof. Idel and gather as many gems of wisdom as you can before he tells you plainly he's off to go home. I cannot imagine the pressure you must have felt to make every question count.

  • @chriskenney4377
    @chriskenney4377 Рік тому +9

    Thank you Zevi. As a novice in this world, I have learned so much color, depth, and harmony to the Jewish scholarly tradition. Thanks again for these remarkable personalities and minds.

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому +1

      You’re very welcome. Thank you for joining us 🙏🏼☺️

  • @trudojo
    @trudojo Рік тому +10

    These interviews are blowing my mind. Keep it up. You are forming this into a sort of podcast that supplements all the ideas we have been exploring together at a milder but more immersive pace.

  • @TheModernHermeticist
    @TheModernHermeticist Рік тому +8

    "When in doubt, double the dose!"
    Thanks Zevi this is huge. Will definitely be enjoying over the next few days.

    • @rishikesh1087
      @rishikesh1087 Рік тому +1

      Haven't even begun to listen yet but this quote caught my eyes.....Very, very ballsy. I could say "Oh how this has gotten me in trouble before" but actually it never has. I better listen to the interview so I can hear the quote in the correct context and not ruin something nice with a knee jerk reaction......

    • @TheModernHermeticist
      @TheModernHermeticist Рік тому +2

      @@rishikesh1087 I should clarify that this is a quote by Terrence McKenna and not by one of the interviewers here, I was simply reminded of it at the opening of the interview.

  • @shanesullivan460
    @shanesullivan460 Рік тому +6

    "Fixed things are easily broken." What a terrific quote!

  • @LetsTalkReligion
    @LetsTalkReligion Рік тому +1

    Amazig opportunity and really well done!

  • @Bildgesmythe
    @Bildgesmythe Рік тому +4

    It's so wonderful to listen to a series that not only teaches but challenges my mind.

  • @jessesaranow7724
    @jessesaranow7724 Рік тому +3

    How exciting! For as long as I've loved this channel (a long time), Zevi has never disappointed!

  • @Seddeq-h7x
    @Seddeq-h7x Рік тому +2

    I’m enjoying all the personal harmony coming from Jewish mysticism and all the connections made in simple conversation

  • @SeekersofUnity
    @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому +12

    Like, comment and share for the algo ;) What was your fave moment in the interview?
    Check out the rest of the Hartman interview series: ua-cam.com/play/PL_7jcKJs6iwX239Hsnl7hG3p9hPB6WQ_k.html

  • @opposingshore9322
    @opposingshore9322 Рік тому +2

    I love when he (with a smile) schools you on what you don’t know and haven’t read about being Ashkenazi! So good :) We need our learned elders to remind us that we don’t know nearly as much as we think we do.

  • @thesjewishpsychedelicsandbox
    @thesjewishpsychedelicsandbox Рік тому +7

    Oh dear, this is bound to be epic! Thank you oodles for continuing to inspire us all with your dedication and bringing us incredible content

  • @TO-Aloha
    @TO-Aloha Рік тому +1

    What a blessing to be able to listen to our beloved Moshe Idel!

  • @yitzyfink
    @yitzyfink Рік тому +2

    Been waiting for this one since the beginning of the series! 😍
    Thank You Zevi!!!

  • @SorayaAzizSouleymane
    @SorayaAzizSouleymane Рік тому +4

    Thank you so much for this interview. Very insightful and relatable

  • @abbasalchemist
    @abbasalchemist Рік тому +4

    Congratulations brother on getting to be speak with such a distinguished guest!🙏

  • @FraterRC
    @FraterRC Рік тому +6

    Zevi, I loved how he kept insisting publishing a major study every year or two is normal. :P Fabulous interviewed, shared it everywhere!

  • @calebbuhr5818
    @calebbuhr5818 Рік тому +1

    Incredible. What a blessing to be able to be as a fly on the wall for this conversation. Thank you for sharing!

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому

      You’re very welcome. Thank you for joining us.

  • @jbaquinones
    @jbaquinones Рік тому +4

    I love this man. No to perennialism and won’t define Kabbalah in basic blocks. What a great mind. ❤❤❤

  • @penseespersonnelles5116
    @penseespersonnelles5116 8 місяців тому +1

    I had a Mystic experience of union to the One 8 years ago and I didn't had anything like this during 8 years later. These discussions are very important. Not only for persons who don't know what is God.

  • @moisheherzl2493
    @moisheherzl2493 Рік тому +2

    OMG, Professor Idel himself! That's a real treat

  • @andrewkuiper8831
    @andrewkuiper8831 Рік тому +10

    2 hours with Moshe Idel??? Did you have to sell a kidney to make this happen? This video should have ten billion likes. If it ever happens again, I would love further questions about his work on Italian Kabbalah and what he makes of Elliot Wolfson's arguments that Reuchlin was interested in a genuine theurgic kabbalah and not simply a hermeneutic one (as Idel argues makes the difference in his New Perspectives book). Or questions drawing out the differences between his Divine Feminine book and Peter Schafer's work on the Shekhinah in light of High Mariology. Thank you for this great interview!

  • @EverythingHumorous
    @EverythingHumorous 9 місяців тому +1

    Great interview Zevi! Thanks for getting this done for us! I hope you can mekarev Moshe Idel to fully embrace Judaism in general.

  • @jasonneely-beach2606
    @jasonneely-beach2606 Рік тому +1

    How humble. Thank you for this Zevi. I had no idea even how much I needed this.

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому

      You’re most welcome. Thank you for joining us 🙏🏼

  • @esthersilberberg8692
    @esthersilberberg8692 Рік тому +1

    What a talk.
    Prof. Idel definitely knows how to keep an audience on their toes, having no idea what might come out of his mouth next. Between shrugging off psychology and telling you that you have no idea what your roots are, this was a fun one :)
    Kol Hakavod on the very elegant interviewing.

  • @PathOfAvraham
    @PathOfAvraham Рік тому +2

    We've been waiting for this interview since the inception of youtube .
    Mori Zevi does it again 🙌🏾

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for joining us for it. It’s an honor 🙏🏼

  • @jbaquinones
    @jbaquinones Рік тому +5

    Oh snap. I love his books. ❤❤❤

  • @EstherYael1984
    @EstherYael1984 Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому

      You’re very welcome. Thank you 🙏🏼☺️

  • @IpsissimusPrime
    @IpsissimusPrime Рік тому +3

    Thanks Zevi!
    Love your interview style, and the giggles were icing on the cake! That "Next time you have to increase the dose" comment! LOL I hope you can have more interviews like this with other living scholars.
    Wow, lots to think about now! Several of his works in my library are definitely on my re-read list, especially his favorite, Messianic Mystics.
    Some of the zingers: "I don't know what Reality is..."; "Scholars take mystics too seriously..."; "Unfortunate to say non-dual... I see too many dualities... I don't understand non-duality."
    Not really surprised that he espouses a Constructivist view like Katz, or something similar.
    Surprised at how humble and relaxed he is.
    More please.

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому

      Thanks my friend. I’m so glad you enjoyed it. Good to doing this work with people like you around :)

  • @bloominlikearedrose
    @bloominlikearedrose Рік тому +2

    Yet another amazing interview! There have been so many. I’m so grateful. This interview was enthralling. They all are in different ways. I get so excited when I get a notification from your channel lately. I liked this one a lot. He’s got that mystic vibe. Don’t know how else to explain it. Some people just have it. Also, I couldn’t help but giggle when you told this wonderful 76 year old man that “next time you have to increase the dose” 🤭

  • @tracyking4518
    @tracyking4518 Рік тому +2

    Zevi, you're quite prolific yourself! Thank you for your quality, inspiring work🙏❤️

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому

      You’re most welcome. Thank you friend 🙏🏼

  • @yotamschmidt570
    @yotamschmidt570 6 місяців тому

    What a lovely and humble soul!

  • @asielnorton345
    @asielnorton345 Рік тому +1

    As a person who has interest in Jewish Mysticism, and as a person who does watch things with the podcast format, I hope this channel doesnt drop its survey content of mysticism in general. i really enjoy the videos examining and explaining the various mystical and philosophical schools throughout history.

  • @lynnlavoy6778
    @lynnlavoy6778 Рік тому +1

    So much love to all! Blessings

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому +5

    1:34:16
    No man is an island… except a Mystic…
    lacking anyone to unite with, except God!

  • @traviswadezinn
    @traviswadezinn Рік тому +1

    Very enjoyable interview!

  • @mwbgallery
    @mwbgallery Рік тому +1

    Thank you for sharing.

  • @tomoor1981
    @tomoor1981 3 місяці тому

    Zeevi, amazing interview. I have much respect for Mr Idel. In regard to the interview, I believe that unity is expressed in diversity or plurality. Meaning that the kabbalist strives to create a unified purpose - to elevate the world to a higher level of being. Tikun olam, olam haba. To realize keter in malchut. The way of creating unity goes by diversity. People can only stay true to their core being, tiferet. I believe Mr Idel's strength is cognitive clarity - the ability to find truth or offer alternative perspective on very difficult to understand topics. By creating plurality, he leads the world to unity. I'm not sure if you can follow my words?

  • @Truth_Matters530
    @Truth_Matters530 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Zevi, this is amazing and you are such a Mensch! in 2:04 you asked Moshe a question about the two god's in Kabbalah, the Ein Sof and the God creator described in Bereshit. Could you elaborate on that? Maybe you can recommend some reading material on this division or direct me to a video that explain it? Thank you! S

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому +1

      You're most welcome friend. Thanks for joining us.
      On the issue of En Sof vs God see: Scholem, Origins of The Kabbalah, 1950, pp. 431-34, 442-43

    • @Truth_Matters530
      @Truth_Matters530 Рік тому

      @@SeekersofUnity Thank you! I will have a read asap.
      Is this viewpoint accepted by Rabbis and Kabbalists or is it considered a misinterpretation of traditional Kabbalah?

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому +1

    2:07:40
    I love 💕 Kabbalah like a new pair of shoes that fit, just right

  • @finnjake6174
    @finnjake6174 Рік тому +1

    thank you for sharing this! wow.

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому

      You’re most welcome 🙏🏼

    • @finnjake6174
      @finnjake6174 Рік тому

      @@SeekersofUnity I am almost done with the writing, will donate a some before sending it. Eitherway g-d speed.

  • @Glitteryspirit
    @Glitteryspirit Рік тому +1

    Lol moshe Idel is very much the reall deal: unapologetically says what he thinks 😆Got a few chuckles out of some of his responses. but even more than the awesome quirky moments there were some real truth bombs that he subtly dropped which I loved 🌼
    For one, his approach to life is so calming because I tend to get 0verwhelmed with the need to figure everything out. so to hear how someone as accomplished as he is say that he Is Ok not knowing everything. And how his Not Knowing is actually what opened up his curiosity and lead him to contributing all that he has. so instead of being overwhelmed with this empty state of Not Knowing, we can see it as in invitation to explore. and not to stress about figuring everything out right away, just like how prof idel didnt even plan to be an author or Kabbalistic researcher- and yet he became a highly respected & well known figure of kabbalah, simply by following his Joys.
    Its like, Life is what happens to you while you are trying to figure it all out.
    And one day we wake up & we’re that old and have a whole life of accomplishments to look back on that we never even intended to create.
    0ur Joys dont lie to us; they guide us to our higher potential if we just let them lead the way~.
    Thats the beauty of destiny.
    I also appreciated how prof idel reminds us quite a few times in this interview that reality is NOT set. Our eyes may be under the illusion that everything around is is solid & fixed, but as soon as we put it under a microscope we can see how everything truly is just floating particles. Judaism is also always reminding us to get out of this fixed mindset, where we are commanded not to make a carved image of G-d or to do the same for ourselves. The idea is that we are always given the opportunity for renewal. and that is where the greatest growth happens☀ Its this fluidity of life that had us grow from just a seed into the person we are today ~
    Idel's comment on “not being for unity” also made me laugh at first but thinking more about it I realize there is great depth behind that thought. At first unity seems like a worthy pursuit but in actuality may not always be the greatest goal.
    For example, Evil is not worth uniting with. Or a married couple that is exclusive to one another, shouldn't necessarily be 'uniting' with others at the expense of their relationship.
    Even in nature, unity is not always the goal. In science & chemistry not every element can form a covalent bond with one another. Not every element is destined to unite, and if they do, they can sometimes create a destructive force and toxic structures 🜡
    That's why Judaism also isn't always pro Unity. although on one hand we have shabbat, a day of complete unity, but on the other hand we have havdala right after, where we are meant to make a separation between the Holy & the Profane, between shabbat and the rest of the week, and not to mix them.
    What seems more important than Unity in Judaism is Holiness/ kedusha. And ironically, some of the well known commentators translate the word Kadosh to mean “Separate” - the opposite of unity.
    Because Separation is what allows for unity to be Sacred.
    Such as in a marriage, by a couple separating themselves from every other person, that is when the couple is truly unified. or by separating ourselves from evil, that is when we can Unite with goodness.
    Another great paradox.

  • @shari6063
    @shari6063 Рік тому +5

    I would love to see an episode on Eastern Orthodox mysticism in comparison to Jewish mysticism.

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому

    42:47 I am curious if your guest experienced a shock to his sensibilities during his time in the army?

  • @bradrandel1408
    @bradrandel1408 Рік тому +1

    That was amazing…
    🕊🦋🌹

  • @benrohr
    @benrohr Рік тому +6

    Moishe Eidel. This is holy UA-cam moment.

  • @Hermetics
    @Hermetics Рік тому +3

    A perfect example of knowing a lot, yet understanding nothing (et) all.

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому +1

    You mentioned neurology… the information gleaned will only encompass the metaphysical realm of the brain. The mystic exists in the realm of thought, within the mind 4:26

  • @williamshears9953
    @williamshears9953 Рік тому +4

    This guy is so cool

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому +1

    47:45
    The Divine and Abulafia was a match made in Heaven

  • @peaquakett
    @peaquakett 9 місяців тому +1

    Delightful! I would caution listeners that being identified as unfamiliar with mystical experience might elicit Moshe Idel’s happy amusement; there’s mischief in the dismissive wave on his hand! Perhaps, to him mystical experience has such a concrete and central presence it’s not “mystical” in the usual sense. Watch him dance and delight in staying just out of view! He plays this way as a true mystic, a man of koans. Watch Zevi persue him and try to pin him down. He loves it! 21:54

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому +1

    If you can’t be in the presence of God all the time, you can at least be in the presence of a perennial flower 🌹 1:03:06

  • @Tzimtzum26
    @Tzimtzum26 Рік тому

    Great talk. Btw, your website link doesn’t work, maybe check out if it’s been hacked or something. כל טוב

  • @SacraTessan
    @SacraTessan 6 місяців тому

    splendid thanks 🙏his great wisdom Moche Idel ..but why the first word psychedelix in the title that would scare serious people off ❣

  • @CarlosMdz72
    @CarlosMdz72 Рік тому

    Where is the part of the psychedelics?

  • @FraterRC
    @FraterRC Рік тому +1

    heads up: clicked on your website url 6 times to be sure and each time it took me to an online Canadian casino ...odd. But thought you'd wanna check that out, especially after Angela's scary hack.

  • @youliantroyanov2941
    @youliantroyanov2941 Рік тому +1

    Moshe's da man 👍

  • @michaeldale4897
    @michaeldale4897 Рік тому +3

    Alright already, here's your algo bump... Now let me watch this amazing video so I can become further enlightened ;-)

    • @michaeldale4897
      @michaeldale4897 Рік тому

      לֵב מִמְּךָ מַתּוּק כִּנְשִׁיקָה מֵאֵת יְהוָה

  • @bayreuth79
    @bayreuth79 Рік тому

    Where would you recommend I study Kabbalah? I'd prefer to study in Israel. I'm not looking for the celebrity version of Kabbalah but something much more authentic.

  • @Sakraler777
    @Sakraler777 Рік тому +1

    An impressive mind!

  • @JudasMaccabeus1
    @JudasMaccabeus1 Рік тому +1

    Prof Idel is a great scholar and writer on Kabbalah; that said, his writing style can be very difficult to push through.

    • @SeekersofUnity
      @SeekersofUnity  Рік тому

      Have you tried reading Wolfson 😅

    • @JudasMaccabeus1
      @JudasMaccabeus1 Рік тому +1

      I haven’t. I’m bombarded by citations from his books and will possibly endeavor after finishing Idel’s “Primeval Evil in Kabbalah.

  • @elsoil3387
    @elsoil3387 Рік тому +5

    With respect, am I allowed to be critical? This man has had no mystical experiences; has not sought a mystical experience (because those who do are, quote, "unhappy"); he just enjoys reading and writing about them. What value did he offer other than being a typical over-intellectual? He basically said there was not much beauty in the Kabbalah. Yet earlier he explained there were many techniques one could use with the Kabbalah to attain mystical states. I would love it if you were to interview someone who actually HAS attained mystical states with the Kabbalah and were open to talk about it, then do some comparative theological discussion afterward. Just saying. But thanks Zevi, love your content.

  • @alykathryn
    @alykathryn Рік тому +3

  • @Cymatic-Mage
    @Cymatic-Mage Рік тому +4

    I was just thinking about this channel. Its such a blessing that you are still doing the work and seeking wisdom. 🕊️🫂

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому +1

    48:24 Webster!

  • @comeandsee9643
    @comeandsee9643 Рік тому

    The Man, the Myth, the Legend.

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому

    The United States, Declaration of Independence, mentions ‘Nature’s god’.
    I can imagine the Founding Father’s as Nature Worshipers utilizing ‘magical methods’ to unite with their god and then permanently entrenching it in a document for the common folk. 53:27 💭

  • @madsenketty
    @madsenketty Рік тому

    53:38
    Grace connects the Christian to the source of the Collective Unconscious: Judaism’s Creation Story

  • @shloimeslavin5309
    @shloimeslavin5309 Рік тому +1

    Interesting

  • @garethsmith3036
    @garethsmith3036 Рік тому +1

    Commenting 😊

  • @jamescastro2037
    @jamescastro2037 Рік тому +2

    Reality is to real it with a y. And that brings the quest i on. Unity involves u n i ty the nots. A k in a not is a kink is it not?

  • @JIMA-Club
    @JIMA-Club Рік тому +1

    "...but you have your own inner life..." around 1:12 - good interviewing. Too bad it didn't work.

  • @angelwhitewolf1116
    @angelwhitewolf1116 Рік тому

    Zevi rules 🤘🏻

  • @minimusmaximus9135
    @minimusmaximus9135 Рік тому +1

    a finder.

  • @lewiakk5844
    @lewiakk5844 Рік тому

    Who’s higher than Prof. Idel! You can’t top this! The only thing that can is an actual Kabbalist.

  • @אי-שניותביהדות

    וואו זבי, זה היה קשוח!! אבל עמדת בזה בגבורה. אידל ממש לא עשה לך חיים קלים. אני חושב שזה קשור לכך שאידל הוא ממש אולד סקול. כמה טוב שיש גם את מלילה.😊
    שבת שלום.

  • @blankny
    @blankny Рік тому

    Perhaps I'm simply uneducated on the man and his work, but I feel there was a fundamental mistake in this interview. He seemed very clear that he is not a mystic, has no interest in mysticism on a personal level, and is simply a person who enjoys studying mystical texts as a scholarly pursuit completely emotionally removed from the subject matter, however he was interviewed as if he was a mystic of some sort or was mystically inclined. While I don't know his works personally, and I don't doubt the quality of his scholarship, I found his personal views on the subject frustratingly apathetic.

  • @emac3854
    @emac3854 Рік тому +1

    Jesus is the Messiah your making a huge mistake