Well even if you had a WHM you still ran some Summoners for their AoE support buffs. I would say RDM is closer to what you described but RDM just flat out replaced WHMs in exp parties but you generally wanted WHMs RDMs and SMNs for endgame for sure.
@@Malix2238 When I was playing originally (CoP era) WHM + RDM (and/or BRD if you could get one) was king for exp parties. Refresh was a game changer, and eliminated pretty much all the SMN benefits. Why take a worse WHM with a bigger MP pool when you could just take the real WHM and give them and the rest of your mages nigh infinite MP?
@@outputcoupler7819 Don't forget Haste for the NIN tank and DPS. RDM had utility for parties but could still solo pretty decently. I feel like BLU replaced RDM for soloing before the whole game became soloable.
@@outputcoupler7819 Because you've been looking for an hour and you can't find a WHM or a RDM, but look! There's a SMN. It's kind of like those things, right? I took SMN to the mid-sixties, and I was brought to parties to play discount WHM waaaay more than I was brought for my avatars.
True but they're always a Black or White Mage scroll. Even Scholar Schemas and Geomancer's elemental spells technically qualify as White or Black magic. Red Mage has always struggled to find its own identity in the Final Fantasy series but XI did it best becasue they gave it a lot of support and enfeebling spells plus enough healing/elemental magic to cover in a pinch with a "Traditional party." Once people started Ninja tanking Bard and Red Mage basically became mandatory. Square Enix responded to the community embracing Ninja as a tank by nerfing shadow tanking in some desperate attempt to force the community back to meatshield tanking. My biggest complaint about XI in the early to mid 2000's was that Square Enix kept patching the game to force the community to play as they wanted instead of listening to the community and changing the game to fit how we want to play or address issues that drove us to embrace Shadow Tanking. XIV feels likey they learned this lesson while also clearly establishing who does what in terms of party roles. Now, if only XIV would stop teasing us with BLU and show the job some goddamn respect...
I remember all the suffering as an Elvaan White Mage.... then I got my RSE gear, and one Taru-Taru complained that it's not fair that my RSE gear gives me so much MP, while his doesn't give enough Mind to make up for the difference... and I laughed! STILL, it did suck
I remember being very well known on my server because I was a really good Elvaan WHM. Learned a ton about MP conservation, and did a better job healing than a Taru. Then I played WoW and that MP conservation translated well into being a main healer for a lot of content.
In 75 cap WotG, SMN/SCH gave you options similar to Brady's beautiful vision for SMN/BLM. The Arts gave you B+ skill, which gave you a reasonable chance of landing spells vs non-HNM mobs with some +skill gear and merits. Accession Aspir in Dyna is still one of my fondest memories, not to mention the crowd control possibilities you could have with /SCH (on both SMN/SCH and WHM/SCH). I don't remember ever nuking with Dark Arts, but definitely used enfeebles from time to time.
You used to be able to Pull a mob with carby, and even if it linked a bunch of mobs, just /release an only the first mob would come after you.. but SE nerfed that a while back.
Guide came out before the level 20 summon quests. Also, before Scholar came out, my White Mage used sub Summoner for most end-game content. Even then I actually resisted leveling scholar for a while due to the MP buff and auto refresh /smn gave but once I tried /sch I never went back...the advantages just eclipsed /smn to a ridiculous degree (cheaper/faster white magic, black magic that could actually land - loved being able to Aspir & Drain things more than once every 10 minutes - , sublimation providing sleep immunity as well as a mini form of convert...).
Great Video! I think it might be cool to see a "Top 5 tips you may not know" series that covers each job and your experience with them. I'd like more Puppetmaster content, personally.😁
I only ever used elemental spirits for using elemental siphon to replenish mp on the fly. The trick is casting the right one that coincides with the vana'diel day to boost the amount of mp recovered when casting elemental siphon.
Started when it came out on console. Got that book at the same time. It helped everyday, as well as my notebook of notes attached....ive still got it somewhere. Started up again after not playing six years...i think this book will help somewhat now.
Re: Carbie Ruby, I believe that was the only place to get one back then, SE added them to the drop list of more Leech mobs in other area's afterwards due to fan demand.
Summoner was one of my 3 favorite holy trinity jobs back in day. PLD, SMN, and DRK first three to 75. If tank I wanted to be on pally. If mage smn. If dps drk. Just the way I liked it and did not care what others liked. Hence one of the CoP quest fights with the weird shroud guys forget name just remember need to fight 3. I leading group assemble what I could find for group. Funny thing I went on smn to kite one mob on smn. A rdm kited other while rest of group wailed on last. It worked and while slow we won. For CoP a win was a win. 10seconds to spare lol. Never forget.
PM-2-5 Ancient Vows. The 3 Mammet fight ... i did it with another smn. We carby kited 2 of them while the rest of the party burned down the 3rd. It was fun once we figured that out.
Final Fantasy XI has a single Magic command while the available spells are determined by the job. Each spell is classified as Black Magic or White Magic, however not all of these spells are available to the Black Mage and White Mage respectively, and the Red Mage has exclusive access to some of them, such as the Gravity spells (black) and the Gain spells (white). These exclusive spells are colloquially referred to as "Red Magic".
You missed a real high point of the SMN quest. When you unlock Carby in Latheine, a rainbow appears across the horizon there so anyone in the zone could see what happened. Do you remember partying in La’theine and seeing that happen? It’s likely that Sandy original folks could relate but I’m guessing if you were from the other nations you wouldn’t have those memories.
Being forced to get far enough FF11 to get pictures of summons especially for a team probably under some time crunch sounds like a hell to the common joe-blow
I loved this. Do Dark Knight next! That one always amped me up and made me so pumped to play the class. If you do, maybe I'll support you on Patreon. ;)
This is a bit of a necrobump, but on a private server, my sub of choice is SCH for SMN. It basically lets you do what this guide suggests /blm. As /sch you get around 240 elemental magic skill and Helixes, and Drain and Aspir, which means it can do some okay damage with a dark or Iridial staff (or better) and can even throw out an effective if a bit weak, tier II nuke or two. The other benefit is dispel, and sleep that actually land, and, having sublimation never hurts either. I mostly mention because on this private server, SMN is one of the go-to jobs to level first, but a lot of people really underestimate /sch haha.
@@Huntin4GamesChannel As far as i know of there is no specific spell that is called red magic like black or white. But there is alot in the game like that that is open to interpretation. Like the 3 mage door black magic, white magic, and red magic to open. So with that in mind you can get red magic out of Gravity, Dispel, Phalanx, Refresh, Enthunder, Enstone.... Or you can look at it this way Gravity, Dispel, Phalanx, Refresh, Enthunder, Enstone.. or not black or White bc a WHM or BLM can't cast them so it goes to the interpretation i was talking about before in red magic
Just got back from a 10 year hiatus. Lol. I logged in went directly to bibiki bay as 75 bst and started soloing catoblepas. 300 xp on dc. Woobooo!!! Wait, what are trusts??????
Do you think maybe the guide was talking about the elemental spirits when speaking about Black mage? I know that my elemental spirits were very powerful in the magic that they cast. Right up to the ancient magic when I was at 75. Just a thought.
I feel like the Brady team gave up on the game long before hitting the level cap, and just guessed at pretty much everything in the guide. SMN/BRD sounds like a good idea if you don't understand how resists work. The game was a ton of work back then, I could definitely see them underestimating how much time the guide was going to take and having to rush it out the door half baked.
I could never get into smn even as a taru. Although i was a pld nin main lol. Rdm > rng > pld > nin > thf > mnk > sam > brd > blm to 75 then i quit. All jobs were geared for ls events but usually defaulted to pld for most ls events. I had sam and mnk leveled to have melee available for dynamis limbus or certain sc but i hate melee jobs for the most part. Rdm was my first job to 75, i made money soloing avatars for a bit.
It was hard to find party's as summer's but I learned how to make my own party's a long time ago so instead of just waiting for invites like some people did and waiting like 3 days i made my own party. I ended up having to main heal with my summer but I made it work.
Ok, so I'm xi fishing and got you in the background. Red Mage is a thing. I say it like that because Windurst Mage college has three Taru's that explain types of magic. The third says "that belongs to the Red Mage." The other two specifically say Black and White Magic. So in-game it "refers" to a third type of Magic, inferring Red Magic.
this game was insanely difficult in 2004. Progression was so slow and getting around was a journey every time. Its what made it great and unfortunately we will never be there again
The level 20 avatar fights kicked my butt from one end of vana'diel to the other. I cheated a little by creating a 2nd character , getting drg to 75 and beating all the avatars on that job so I could run around with a level 1 smn that had the complete set of summons at it's disposal.
I remember soloing Bombs with carby for super max EXP. Depending on the camp and how often they Self Destruct it was more EXP then any party could provide.
OMG....i really miss my book now...i can't believe i didn't try to keep it... Please if anyone knows how to get a good second hand one and not crazy expensive plz let me know!! Thanks!!
Lol For me it was like Ferreous Coffin as Galka in the old days. The demand for white mages was so high as SMN you were just healing and never even got to play SMN as it should had been until end game. For the longest time us Galka suffered getting parties as SMNs. It changed I’d say late COP era. Brady Games was wrong even Galka were squishy as SMN. Good gear was tougher to come by because of the expense. The first astral ring was everything omg! So when he got RSE that was even better. I think I had my RSE forever lol for healing situations before AF. I still have the guide too but my copy is missing some pages and not in good shape lol.
I fell In love with summer from final fantasy X and I don't know it just not as good as final fantasy X summer many be I enjoy the story about a summer going thru a massive quest to obtain the Aeons.
appreciate your vids and how you accurately capture the culture and overall thought process everyone had on every job. However, there is so much elitism out there even in the private servers For example, "Pup is joke DPS" I've proven that wrong on Eden soo many times.... Beaten, rangers, Drgs, Sams, Wars, etc on Dmg in bird parties as Pup Some jobs require more gear/food/brains than just wacking things with a katana... I bet SMN has DPS potential need to try it out
Red mage always rocks even if it's always been kinda an awkward underdog in all ff until ff14. But summoner is sick. Don't think the stock music was necessary in this video however. Love your content and steams tho, only played 11 til limit break 3. wish 14 could have the same immersive feel as 11, but 14 has always been a lot more fun, accessible and appealing especially when having to work irl. The 11 grind is too high. On the other hand I wish there were private servers for ps2 for the novelty with 11.
Mike S I came back recently but following the wiki to blast through lvls is less charming. I get too distracted by the rest of the game and don't have enough time unfortunately... hope one day I can though :')
I do wish Summoner sub Black Mage was great, would give strong Rydia vibes and when I think of Summoner in the context of Final Fantasy she's the first that typically comes to mind.
when i think of all the things that SE nerfed away, i realize that SE has been doing a massive 18 year troll experiment and we will all be on youtube as the jokes.
@@paddyotterness I played RNG back then, and was still on my way to 75 when the nerf hit. I never got to play during the heady days of RNGs being overpowered monsters, but speaking from experience after the fact, it wasn't so bad after the nerf. You just had to play differently from the commonly accepted wisdom and go /WAR and not /NIN. /NIN was such a waste of a subjob. Essentially all you got was dual wielding, which was worth around 7 Racc/Ratk (assuming offhand Francisca). Shadows were okay, but you should really just not get hit in the first place. /WAR gives you a flat +10 Ratk, plus Warcry and Berserk. If you went /NIN, that was a _really_ costly way to pick up 7 Racc. The only con to /WAR was that you have to spend a few minutes in every pickup group explaining that no, you're not on /WAR by mistake and yes, it is better than /NIN. You could also get quite a bit more damage by stacking STR in addition to AGI, but most rangers I saw didn't value it at all and would try to tell me I was wrong and it didn't contribute to either white damage or WS damage. So nice we have the wikis these days. No more arguing with people over damage calculations.
Summoner was a love-hate relationship. I leveled it as my 2nd job after White Mage. Summoner was 100% healer with buffs in exp parties EVEN when you hit lvl 70 and unlock the big moves. Summoners damage is pathetically weak. However SMN is weird in how their damage is calculated on mobs. Unlike damage classes and even burst classes like Black Mage or Scholar a Summoner's damage isn't calculated the same. Damage jobs against superior enemies such as HNMs would see a massive reduced damage output since they faced stronger enemies. Summoner's damage output wasn't reduced nearly in % wise as the other classes, which made Summoner an extreme burst class to use for damage against HNMs. Regular mobs? Forget about it... they were way weaker than DPS/Burst classes and would only slow the party down, thus they were used as the healer in exp parties. As a healer they were actually not bad too, their heals were weaker than a White Mage or Scholar of course but their summoner heals made up for it as well as those sweet summoner buffs. The only time Summoner could pull of being good at damage in exp parties is when they formed their own summoner parties with Red Mages and Bards. Also White Mage with Summoner sub was actually not bad and incredibly useful. White Mage was probably the only job that could benefit with Summoner as a sub. Red Mage I guess could as well, but wasn't really needed. Whm/Smn was not rare to find, but a Rdm/Smn was. Blm/Smn or Smn/Blm was absolutely horrible and had no use, but you would fine it sometimes too. If you saw a Smn/Blm it was only because they wanted an exp party as the burst class, but as I mentioned GOOD LUCK because they brought the party down hard in exp per hour.
Red Magic is not a thing!! It's black or white magic that indeed a RDM has access to or sometimes exclusive. You can also see it because each type of magic has their own animation.... What animation is Red Magic?!
After unlocking summoner I got it to 15 in the dunes but it was super boring only having carbuncle. I dropped it for a long time to level up my bard to 75 and do two rounds of avatar fights and unlock Fenrir. It took a very long time but it was a blast having all the critters at your disposal. When FF14 came out I was very disappointment by their interpretation of summoner. I understand there are lore reasons behind it but it was still very disconcerting.
Yup till this day we still have not received a proper Summoner in an online FF game. FFXI's was nothing like summoner in the console games because they could NOT do damage worth a shit. In FFXIV they can do damage, but it's just... not cool like the consoles and well yeah... they don't even look like summons as you mentioned lol.
To be fair, even if the guide came out after certain releases, the time it was written might not have had all that information. But... I'm not defending the guide. heheh
I was not a fan of taru mages back in the day when I played regularly, because of their HP. I would always prefer hume and mithra over taru. For whm and rdm I would also prefer elvaan, since they're mostly mnd based and max MP is less relevant for them as they can't really "heal" up MP for very long durations at a time. This is all based on lvl 75 meta. As blm, you have to consider hate management. Same with smn and sch to an extent. As the main healer, no matter the job you also have to manage hate, but on top of that you also have to be willing to die for your tank. The tank is in almost all the cases, more important to keep alive than the main healer. Sch, smn, blm, rdm, brd and pld can all main heal decently in a single fight if they have to, but if your tank dies, things will just snowball out of control, as your backup will struggle to maintain hate and take more dmg, which will lead to your healer taking more hate. If your tank failed at mitigating dmg enough to prevent the main healer from getting hate, your secondary tank will inevitably recreate the same situation. Being able to take hits is part of the job as a healer imo. Rdm is the only mage job that I would say taru is the best at. They're mediocre in an exp environment, but for soloing and tougher battles, those int based spells and the convert ratio is very important. For blm or sch nuking, taru may be the best in ideal situations, but the thing is that you're often holding back anyway, and a hume is much more likely to survive if they gain hate.
/Sch just made them better at healing, they were always going to be healer in parties. They were just weaker heals since cures came from the sub job, but they had avatar aoe heals and buffs to make up for it. Scholar did wonders in giving them a buff though.
Off the top of my head, the only time I can recall there ever being specific red magic was in Final Fantasy on the NES; Red Mage/Wizard did have spells specific to them and the spell slot system made picking and choosing which spells to take a mess. Some of the spells didn't even work properly or at all.
Huntin 4 Games Did some digging, I found all kinds of meaning but none never really answer the question... So I’ll go with, A set of spells capable of bringing a mixture of both Black and White as one into the fight but not consider either when lvl, AKA Enhancing Magic. Ehhh this gave me a headache 🤕 let me know if anyone comes up with something better.
Huntin 4 Games When I started out I had no idea how to exit sandy... found ghelsba outpost killed hundreds of orcs dropping fire crystals and never knew about auto stacking feature... lost thousands of potential Gil selling stacks of fire crystals...*
Hmmmm...if we were to go by the in game skills menu, there is no "red magic" skill. There's blue, dark, divine, elemental, enfeebling, enhancing, healing, summoning, ninjutsu, singing, string, wind, geomancy, and handbell. Yes a lot of enfeebling spells are only Red Mage, but....the game never calls it red magic.
Split all the hairs ya want but RDM are the best at Enfeebling and Enhancing skill therefore they can be considered "Red Magic". I guess buffs and debuffs fall into the "Red Magic" school of magic even though the game doesn't technically classify it as "Red" magic.
@@ZoddtheGod I'm not splitting hairs the game literally does not call any of it red magic XD I don't disagree with you, but the question was if anything was actually referred to as red magic
The guide was out before the US release. My friends and I used to look at it in school trying to plan out what we were going to do once we could play.
That guide was my mmo bible
"If you enjoy both summoning avatars and punching things, SMN/MNK may be the job for you."
LMFAO
Summoner in 2004... AKA healer when no WHM's were available.
Period, that's I didnt play it lol back then now it Burns All The Things.
Well even if you had a WHM you still ran some Summoners for their AoE support buffs. I would say RDM is closer to what you described but RDM just flat out replaced WHMs in exp parties but you generally wanted WHMs RDMs and SMNs for endgame for sure.
@@Malix2238 When I was playing originally (CoP era) WHM + RDM (and/or BRD if you could get one) was king for exp parties. Refresh was a game changer, and eliminated pretty much all the SMN benefits. Why take a worse WHM with a bigger MP pool when you could just take the real WHM and give them and the rest of your mages nigh infinite MP?
@@outputcoupler7819 Don't forget Haste for the NIN tank and DPS. RDM had utility for parties but could still solo pretty decently. I feel like BLU replaced RDM for soloing before the whole game became soloable.
@@outputcoupler7819 Because you've been looking for an hour and you can't find a WHM or a RDM, but look! There's a SMN. It's kind of like those things, right?
I took SMN to the mid-sixties, and I was brought to parties to play discount WHM waaaay more than I was brought for my avatars.
I guess there is red mage only spells, but I've never heard anyone call it "red magic" lol
Lol.Remember green magic and time magic from the older final fantasys....good times....
There is also that door that requires a black/white/red mage to open. (Or the keyitem)
True but they're always a Black or White Mage scroll. Even Scholar Schemas and Geomancer's elemental spells technically qualify as White or Black magic.
Red Mage has always struggled to find its own identity in the Final Fantasy series but XI did it best becasue they gave it a lot of support and enfeebling spells plus enough healing/elemental magic to cover in a pinch with a "Traditional party." Once people started Ninja tanking Bard and Red Mage basically became mandatory. Square Enix responded to the community embracing Ninja as a tank by nerfing shadow tanking in some desperate attempt to force the community back to meatshield tanking.
My biggest complaint about XI in the early to mid 2000's was that Square Enix kept patching the game to force the community to play as they wanted instead of listening to the community and changing the game to fit how we want to play or address issues that drove us to embrace Shadow Tanking. XIV feels likey they learned this lesson while also clearly establishing who does what in terms of party roles. Now, if only XIV would stop teasing us with BLU and show the job some goddamn respect...
These reviews of specific BradyGames guide content are the best. Keep it up :)
Summoner was so rough to comprehend when the game launched. Every friend in game was at a loss or not willing to go through the quests.
There was so much going on, can’t believe I thought it was a good idea lol
*Carby mitts!!!*
I love the brady games guide content! keep it up!
As a Elvaan who started his life only on mage jobs.....I longed for Taru MP....
I remember all the suffering as an Elvaan White Mage.... then I got my RSE gear, and one Taru-Taru complained that it's not fair that my RSE gear gives me so much MP, while his doesn't give enough Mind to make up for the difference... and I laughed!
STILL, it did suck
FarelForever oh yeah. The RSE gear was a life savor. Made me sad that the lvl 70 RSE gear was so lacking.
I remember being very well known on my server because I was a really good Elvaan WHM. Learned a ton about MP conservation, and did a better job healing than a Taru. Then I played WoW and that MP conservation translated well into being a main healer for a lot of content.
The best part about this series is your commentary, hahaha. You always say exactly what I'm thinking!
oh man, the memories of that old ps2 disc, flood of nostalgia coming...
Haha still have all my discs I think
In 75 cap WotG, SMN/SCH gave you options similar to Brady's beautiful vision for SMN/BLM. The Arts gave you B+ skill, which gave you a reasonable chance of landing spells vs non-HNM mobs with some +skill gear and merits. Accession Aspir in Dyna is still one of my fondest memories, not to mention the crowd control possibilities you could have with /SCH (on both SMN/SCH and WHM/SCH). I don't remember ever nuking with Dark Arts, but definitely used enfeebles from time to time.
Very true!
YUP! Sch sub for smn was beefy. It made them more useful for healing too. That added bonus to swap to black magic for enfeebles was cool.
Holy crap, I freaking love that guide. Still have it to this day and love to reference it for fun with my linkshell lol
Loved these videos. Keep bringing us more ffxi content man!
You used to be able to Pull a mob with carby, and even if it linked a bunch of mobs, just /release an only the first mob would come after you.. but SE nerfed that a while back.
Wait is that gone? Carby pulls were like my favorite part of the job
@@Huntin4GamesChannel you can still do it, but carby has to die. If you release him, you will get all the aggro.
@@lynchmob72 oh that sucks... I was a big time SMN player back in the day.
I remember asking my friend what SMN was and he said, "I shuffle through avatars and heal when the WHM is rezzing everybody" 🤣🤣
Guide came out before the level 20 summon quests.
Also, before Scholar came out, my White Mage used sub Summoner for most end-game content. Even then I actually resisted leveling scholar for a while due to the MP buff and auto refresh /smn gave but once I tried /sch I never went back...the advantages just eclipsed /smn to a ridiculous degree (cheaper/faster white magic, black magic that could actually land - loved being able to Aspir & Drain things more than once every 10 minutes - , sublimation providing sleep immunity as well as a mini form of convert...).
This guide... was so bad, but that's what made it so good.
Great Video! I think it might be cool to see a "Top 5 tips you may not know" series that covers each job and your experience with them. I'd like more Puppetmaster content, personally.😁
I only ever used elemental spirits for using elemental siphon to replenish mp on the fly. The trick is casting the right one that coincides with the vana'diel day to boost the amount of mp recovered when casting elemental siphon.
Ya usually cast light spirit - I almost never have all of them on the hot bar haha
Paladin main here. Crazy, I got off in January 2011.
Man! Remember where you logged out??
I want to say Jueno Honestly. Did some abyssea, said I'd be back tomorrow, but that ended up being it
@@lukebailey3662 That's crazy. Just never returning like that even saying that you'd be back. What a drop off
@@rexellate life got in the way
I had this Guide too and it was amazing for me as a beginner
I’m just trying to imagine doing this quest back in the 75 era, that must of been hell.
don't know about this mentioned red magic, but XI is the only game I know that brings you a brown magic!
Lmao wait...wut
you never did the quest with the brown mage in Lower Jeuno? or maybe it was too long ago
There's that NPC in Lower Jeuno who removes food, and he says it's brown magic.
Omg you’re right! Lmao the food removal dude
OMG I can't catch my breath! Food removal - brown magic - POOP magic! Why SE WHY?!?
Started when it came out on console. Got that book at the same time. It helped everyday, as well as my notebook of notes attached....ive still got it somewhere. Started up again after not playing six years...i think this book will help somewhat now.
You are the best! Love the content keep it up
12:16 Ifrit's Cauldron, bombs... I solo'd xp on SMN from like lvl 60-70 back in the day in that zone.
Re: Carbie Ruby, I believe that was the only place to get one back then, SE added them to the drop list of more Leech mobs in other area's afterwards due to fan demand.
Summoner was one of my 3 favorite holy trinity jobs back in day. PLD, SMN, and DRK first three to 75. If tank I wanted to be on pally. If mage smn. If dps drk. Just the way I liked it and did not care what others liked. Hence one of the CoP quest fights with the weird shroud guys forget name just remember need to fight 3. I leading group assemble what I could find for group. Funny thing I went on smn to kite one mob on smn. A rdm kited other while rest of group wailed on last. It worked and while slow we won. For CoP a win was a win. 10seconds to spare lol. Never forget.
PM-2-5 Ancient Vows. The 3 Mammet fight ... i did it with another smn. We carby kited 2 of them while the rest of the party burned down the 3rd. It was fun once we figured that out.
Final Fantasy XI has a single Magic command while the available spells are determined by the job. Each spell is classified as Black Magic or White Magic, however not all of these spells are available to the Black Mage and White Mage respectively, and the Red Mage has exclusive access to some of them, such as the Gravity spells (black) and the Gain spells (white). These exclusive spells are colloquially referred to as "Red Magic".
You missed a real high point of the SMN quest. When you unlock Carby in Latheine, a rainbow appears across the horizon there so anyone in the zone could see what happened.
Do you remember partying in La’theine and seeing that happen? It’s likely that Sandy original folks could relate but I’m guessing if you were from the other nations you wouldn’t have those memories.
I totally forgot! Great point dude, was one of the few “global” events a player could influence
Being forced to get far enough FF11 to get pictures of summons especially for a team probably under some time crunch sounds like a hell to the common joe-blow
I loved this. Do Dark Knight next! That one always amped me up and made me so pumped to play the class.
If you do, maybe I'll support you on Patreon. ;)
Please do a video for all jobs descriptions from this guide, i love it. lol
This is a bit of a necrobump, but on a private server, my sub of choice is SCH for SMN. It basically lets you do what this guide suggests /blm. As /sch you get around 240 elemental magic skill and Helixes, and Drain and Aspir, which means it can do some okay damage with a dark or Iridial staff (or better) and can even throw out an effective if a bit weak, tier II nuke or two. The other benefit is dispel, and sleep that actually land, and, having sublimation never hurts either. I mostly mention because on this private server, SMN is one of the go-to jobs to level first, but a lot of people really underestimate /sch haha.
you asked about red magic and it is stuff like Gravity, Dispel, Phalanx, Refresh, Enthunder, Enstone.... and more.
But is it actually red magic anywhere in XI? They’re red mage specific spells, but they’re all under the black magic category as far as I know
@@Huntin4GamesChannel As far as i know of there is no specific spell that is called red magic like black or white. But there is alot in the game like that that is open to interpretation. Like the 3 mage door black magic, white magic, and red magic to open. So with that in mind you can get red magic out of Gravity, Dispel, Phalanx, Refresh, Enthunder, Enstone.... Or you can look at it this way Gravity, Dispel, Phalanx, Refresh, Enthunder, Enstone.. or not black or White bc a WHM or BLM can't cast them so it goes to the interpretation i was talking about before in red magic
need a pup guide, "massive heals with whm sub"
Ah the Brady game guide. My cousins use to call it my bible
Ugh. the dust storm was such a pain in the ass. I remember waiting for -ev -er. It just wouldn't happen when I needed it.
Hey Hunter, what is a wind spirit? Never heard of that mob before.
If I'm not mistaken, the spirit scrolls used to be exclusive drops from BCNMs. Probably what they were referring to.
Ya that could be, great thinking
Best ... video ... ever!!!! Brady4Life! War/Whm all the things
Haha WAR/WHM BRD/THF and SMN/BLM
I think it’s time to talk about the mystical “buttersheep” o.o
Just got back from a 10 year hiatus. Lol. I logged in went directly to bibiki bay as 75 bst and started soloing catoblepas. 300 xp on dc. Woobooo!!! Wait, what are trusts??????
Do you think maybe the guide was talking about the elemental spirits when speaking about Black mage? I know that my elemental spirits were very powerful in the magic that they cast. Right up to the ancient magic when I was at 75. Just a thought.
I feel like the Brady team gave up on the game long before hitting the level cap, and just guessed at pretty much everything in the guide. SMN/BRD sounds like a good idea if you don't understand how resists work.
The game was a ton of work back then, I could definitely see them underestimating how much time the guide was going to take and having to rush it out the door half baked.
When I started playing during the PS2 release, Fenrir was out and the CAP was 75.
Check the back of the book, but I think the solo quests were Misc quests
It wasn't at PS2 release.
It was added later.
Speaking of BST, you should do that one next.
I could never get into smn even as a taru. Although i was a pld nin main lol.
Rdm > rng > pld > nin > thf > mnk > sam > brd > blm to 75 then i quit. All jobs were geared for ls events but usually defaulted to pld for most ls events. I had sam and mnk leveled to have melee available for dynamis limbus or certain sc but i hate melee jobs for the most part.
Rdm was my first job to 75, i made money soloing avatars for a bit.
It was hard to find party's as summer's but I learned how to make my own party's a long time ago so instead of just waiting for invites like some people did and waiting like 3 days i made my own party. I ended up having to main heal with my summer but I made it work.
Late but this was great!
Ok, so I'm xi fishing and got you in the background. Red Mage is a thing. I say it like that because Windurst Mage college has three Taru's that explain types of magic. The third says "that belongs to the Red Mage." The other two specifically say Black and White Magic. So in-game it "refers" to a third type of Magic, inferring Red Magic.
the smn parties in Korokola tunnel, b4 abbysea were amazing
this game was insanely difficult in 2004. Progression was so slow and getting around was a journey every time. Its what made it great and unfortunately we will never be there again
There is a NPC in one of the WIndurst schools that mentions Red Magic, a combination of White and Black Magic that cannot be achieved otherwise.
Becoming a SMN back then was such a PITA...
The level 20 avatar fights kicked my butt from one end of vana'diel to the other. I cheated a little by creating a 2nd character , getting drg to 75 and beating all the avatars on that job so I could run around with a level 1 smn that had the complete set of summons at it's disposal.
I remember soloing Bombs with carby for super max EXP. Depending on the camp and how often they Self Destruct it was more EXP then any party could provide.
OMG....i really miss my book now...i can't believe i didn't try to keep it...
Please if anyone knows how to get a good second hand one and not crazy expensive
plz let me know!! Thanks!!
I am sure Brady Games translate a japanese guide and repack it as an english guide lol
Lol For me it was like Ferreous Coffin as Galka in the old days. The demand for white mages was so high as SMN you were just healing and never even got to play SMN as it should had been until end game. For the longest time us Galka suffered getting parties as SMNs. It changed I’d say late COP era. Brady Games was wrong even Galka were squishy as SMN. Good gear was tougher to come by because of the expense. The first astral ring was everything omg! So when he got RSE that was even better. I think I had my RSE forever lol for healing situations before AF. I still have the guide too but my copy is missing some pages and not in good shape lol.
My favorite thing in this guide. A PLD and DRK can duo the whole game with no other support lol.
Making me wanna re sub glad I got the ultimate collection on standby 😁
The only Summoner to ever sub Black Mage is.......... Rydia from Final Fantasy 4 !
I love the little intro now, could use some title graphics?
Great idea!
As a elvaan smn/sam with hasso was lot of fun ws for days lol
I fell In love with summer from final fantasy X and I don't know it just not as good as final fantasy X summer many be I enjoy the story about a summer going thru a massive quest to obtain the Aeons.
Red Magic is a thing in Vana'diel. Go talk to all the teachers and students at the magic school in Windhurst.
appreciate your vids and how you accurately capture the culture and overall thought process everyone had on every job.
However, there is so much elitism out there even in the private servers
For example, "Pup is joke DPS"
I've proven that wrong on Eden soo many times.... Beaten, rangers, Drgs, Sams, Wars, etc on Dmg in bird parties as Pup
Some jobs require more gear/food/brains than just wacking things with a katana...
I bet SMN has DPS potential need to try it out
Red mage always rocks even if it's always been kinda an awkward underdog in all ff until ff14. But summoner is sick. Don't think the stock music was necessary in this video however. Love your content and steams tho, only played 11 til limit break 3. wish 14 could have the same immersive feel as 11, but 14 has always been a lot more fun, accessible and appealing especially when having to work irl. The 11 grind is too high. On the other hand I wish there were private servers for ps2 for the novelty with 11.
You're remembering the 2005 FFXI. Check out the 2020 FFXI, and the grind isn't to bad.
Mike S I came back recently but following the wiki to blast through lvls is less charming. I get too distracted by the rest of the game and don't have enough time unfortunately... hope one day I can though :')
I do wish Summoner sub Black Mage was great, would give strong Rydia vibes and when I think of Summoner in the context of Final Fantasy she's the first that typically comes to mind.
Excellent bro
Happy you're feeling better, the flu hit my family like a brick
Thanks!
I swear the Brady game guide was intended for tonnberry server.. Your sub is matched to your main 😎
I stopped playing in 2005? Ish so I don't really remember a lot but can someone explain to me why Blm wouldn't be a valid subjob?
when i think of all the things that SE nerfed away, i realize that SE has been doing a massive 18 year troll experiment and we will all be on youtube as the jokes.
@@paddyotterness I played RNG back then, and was still on my way to 75 when the nerf hit. I never got to play during the heady days of RNGs being overpowered monsters, but speaking from experience after the fact, it wasn't so bad after the nerf. You just had to play differently from the commonly accepted wisdom and go /WAR and not /NIN.
/NIN was such a waste of a subjob. Essentially all you got was dual wielding, which was worth around 7 Racc/Ratk (assuming offhand Francisca). Shadows were okay, but you should really just not get hit in the first place. /WAR gives you a flat +10 Ratk, plus Warcry and Berserk. If you went /NIN, that was a _really_ costly way to pick up 7 Racc. The only con to /WAR was that you have to spend a few minutes in every pickup group explaining that no, you're not on /WAR by mistake and yes, it is better than /NIN.
You could also get quite a bit more damage by stacking STR in addition to AGI, but most rangers I saw didn't value it at all and would try to tell me I was wrong and it didn't contribute to either white damage or WS damage.
So nice we have the wikis these days. No more arguing with people over damage calculations.
Summoner was a love-hate relationship. I leveled it as my 2nd job after White Mage. Summoner was 100% healer with buffs in exp parties EVEN when you hit lvl 70 and unlock the big moves. Summoners damage is pathetically weak. However SMN is weird in how their damage is calculated on mobs. Unlike damage classes and even burst classes like Black Mage or Scholar a Summoner's damage isn't calculated the same. Damage jobs against superior enemies such as HNMs would see a massive reduced damage output since they faced stronger enemies. Summoner's damage output wasn't reduced nearly in % wise as the other classes, which made Summoner an extreme burst class to use for damage against HNMs. Regular mobs? Forget about it... they were way weaker than DPS/Burst classes and would only slow the party down, thus they were used as the healer in exp parties. As a healer they were actually not bad too, their heals were weaker than a White Mage or Scholar of course but their summoner heals made up for it as well as those sweet summoner buffs.
The only time Summoner could pull of being good at damage in exp parties is when they formed their own summoner parties with Red Mages and Bards. Also White Mage with Summoner sub was actually not bad and incredibly useful. White Mage was probably the only job that could benefit with Summoner as a sub. Red Mage I guess could as well, but wasn't really needed. Whm/Smn was not rare to find, but a Rdm/Smn was. Blm/Smn or Smn/Blm was absolutely horrible and had no use, but you would fine it sometimes too. If you saw a Smn/Blm it was only because they wanted an exp party as the burst class, but as I mentioned GOOD LUCK because they brought the party down hard in exp per hour.
Red Magic is not a thing!! It's black or white magic that indeed a RDM has access to or sometimes exclusive. You can also see it because each type of magic has their own animation.... What animation is Red Magic?!
After unlocking summoner I got it to 15 in the dunes but it was super boring only having carbuncle. I dropped it for a long time to level up my bard to 75 and do two rounds of avatar fights and unlock Fenrir. It took a very long time but it was a blast having all the critters at your disposal. When FF14 came out I was very disappointment by their interpretation of summoner. I understand there are lore reasons behind it but it was still very disconcerting.
Yup till this day we still have not received a proper Summoner in an online FF game. FFXI's was nothing like summoner in the console games because they could NOT do damage worth a shit. In FFXIV they can do damage, but it's just... not cool like the consoles and well yeah... they don't even look like summons as you mentioned lol.
To be fair, even if the guide came out after certain releases, the time it was written might not have had all that information. But... I'm not defending the guide. heheh
Unlicensed Nuclear Attack Squirrel Activated.
There is no red magic, but there is brown magic.
Oh hell yes
EDEN private server is back up!!
I was not a fan of taru mages back in the day when I played regularly, because of their HP. I would always prefer hume and mithra over taru. For whm and rdm I would also prefer elvaan, since they're mostly mnd based and max MP is less relevant for them as they can't really "heal" up MP for very long durations at a time.
This is all based on lvl 75 meta.
As blm, you have to consider hate management. Same with smn and sch to an extent.
As the main healer, no matter the job you also have to manage hate, but on top of that you also have to be willing to die for your tank. The tank is in almost all the cases, more important to keep alive than the main healer. Sch, smn, blm, rdm, brd and pld can all main heal decently in a single fight if they have to, but if your tank dies, things will just snowball out of control, as your backup will struggle to maintain hate and take more dmg, which will lead to your healer taking more hate. If your tank failed at mitigating dmg enough to prevent the main healer from getting hate, your secondary tank will inevitably recreate the same situation. Being able to take hits is part of the job as a healer imo.
Rdm is the only mage job that I would say taru is the best at. They're mediocre in an exp environment, but for soloing and tougher battles, those int based spells and the convert ratio is very important. For blm or sch nuking, taru may be the best in ideal situations, but the thing is that you're often holding back anyway, and a hume is much more likely to survive if they gain hate.
Would love to play my summoner again but cant remember my play online id lol
Call SE support service. They can help find it for you. Just need to give them some info and they can pull it off.
@@WiggleBabies ill give it a try thanks
/sch is actually the way to do damage ... or healing tbh as summoner.
/Sch just made them better at healing, they were always going to be healer in parties. They were just weaker heals since cures came from the sub job, but they had avatar aoe heals and buffs to make up for it. Scholar did wonders in giving them a buff though.
Off the top of my head, the only time I can recall there ever being specific red magic was in Final Fantasy on the NES; Red Mage/Wizard did have spells specific to them and the spell slot system made picking and choosing which spells to take a mess. Some of the spells didn't even work properly or at all.
The en spells are red
Well I mean in the aspect that they’re RDM specific, but they’re still black magic!
It seems like the Brady Games crew fought EM or T as a group. Might explain why they suggest subs with weird acc failures.
Yea... I wasn't dodging shit as a mithra smn
As RED MAGIC they meant Enspells.
Sure these are RDM specific ( which is probably what they mean) but in game they’re considered Black magic aren’t they??
Huntin 4 Games Did some digging, I found all kinds of meaning but none never really answer the question... So I’ll go with, A set of spells capable of bringing a mixture of both Black and White as one into the fight but not consider either when lvl, AKA Enhancing Magic. Ehhh this gave me a headache 🤕 let me know if anyone comes up with something better.
The Brady guide was a necessary for me back then. This game did not hold your hand
I had to use it constantly!
Huntin 4 Games When I started out I had no idea how to exit sandy... found ghelsba outpost killed hundreds of orcs dropping fire crystals and never knew about auto stacking feature... lost thousands of potential Gil selling stacks of fire crystals...*
Long time no see Truth Seeker. Same here lol. Then everyone was like Khazam.com! Before Wikipedia.
Nice to have maps for areas
Oh man. I remember the infamous brady games guild. Some of the info was kinda useful but the entire things was almost nonsensical at times.
red magic definitely a thing. when I was a whm/blm back in the day (2005) I wish I had access to Refresh, Phalanx and Dispel.
Guessing you didn't own the first brady guide that only went to level 50
Red magic was a RDM skill in ffv
lol wind spirit
Ugh I know, so shameful
I think Enfeebling magic is classified as "red magic".
Hmmmm...if we were to go by the in game skills menu, there is no "red magic" skill. There's blue, dark, divine, elemental, enfeebling, enhancing, healing, summoning, ninjutsu, singing, string, wind, geomancy, and handbell. Yes a lot of enfeebling spells are only Red Mage, but....the game never calls it red magic.
Split all the hairs ya want but RDM are the best at Enfeebling and Enhancing skill therefore they can be considered "Red Magic". I guess buffs and debuffs fall into the "Red Magic" school of magic even though the game doesn't technically classify it as "Red" magic.
@@ZoddtheGod I'm not splitting hairs the game literally does not call any of it red magic XD I don't disagree with you, but the question was if anything was actually referred to as red magic
This is Tom Brady had he not played football and played FF 11 instead
Lmao I’m worried you’ve never seen me play XI, more fumbles than touchdowns
@@Huntin4GamesChannel hahaha! I think I have partied with you one time randomly on eden. Didn't know it was you when I was exping with you though : P
Extra Job MIGHT be Sub Job?
Ya maybe? Couldn’t really figure out what they meant
@@Huntin4GamesChannel I doubt they even played the game to be honest, they probably outsourced the info...
Chrisfragger1 I remember that, they mean advanced jobs
Red magic is a FF thing. Refresh is a giid example