Why are Mogrts (Templates) so slow!?
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2021
- Why are Mogrts so slow!?
If you've been frustrated with templates that you've purchased and having them play so slow in the Premiere Pro timeline, then this tutorial will help understand why that's happening.
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I feel like I'm rendering the first Toy Story trying to run .mogrts
That is *the* best and most accurate description ever. And hilarious too. 😂
Lol
🤣
Thanks! I feel so comfortable after watching this video. The fucking slow envato-mogrt video template files almost made me crazy just before.
Of course I find this video after 2 days suffering and searching for faster computers... You are a genius.
Appreciate the insight. I've always been a Premiere user, but never really worked in AE. I came here to find out why the $99 MOGRT package I just purchased is sooooo slow and I have a pretty nice 4K editing rig.
Ohhh. That explains A Lot!!! This was definitely helpful :)
Thank you for the explanation ❤
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! You are one of the few Adobe experts I follow.
Wow, thanks!
THANK YOU FOR THIS. I was going crazy. So glad to know it's not me losing my mind.
Glad I could help!
This was a great video!! Thanks so much. Exactly what I encountered.
Glad it helped!
Thank you for this video! I have been very frustrated with this. Now I know!
I'm glad you found it useful. I think Adobe over-sells Mogrts without informing us they can be slooooow.
This helped me. Love your outro music!
Thanks so much.
Great video, Colin!
Glad you enjoyed it
It's a good topic. Best practice with MOGRTs from After Effects is to use a 1/4 preview. The sports MOGRT you've shown is fairly old and wouldn't pass Adobe Stock review today as they reject low-performance projects.
This is great. Thank you!
-Its an AE animation : ❌
-Its an after effects big ass animation: ✅ 👈.
😆❤️Thank you for the informations !
My pleasure. 😆
Your video probably just saved me so much time
Thank you for the information sir. Very helpful
My pleasure.
Wow , thank you for this!!!!
You're so welcome!
This was interesting, thank you. If I've understood correctly the best thing to do is to either not use these AE Mogrts or else to render them out as soon as you have made any changes (in the knowledge that you can restore the unrendered version if required)?
thanks .glad I found your channel
Great video, thanks!
You're welcome!
I'm self-taught and did not know this - thanks - will save a lot of frustration.
You're welcome.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I've been struggling with this. Now at least I know why. I sometimes even add text to the final video using Capcut. Imagine my level of despair 😁
Thank you sir for this insight - I used to think there is something wrong with my system config - One assumes that such solutions *MOGRT* etc are 'Designed' for use but they are just non sensical files only to cmplicat ethe whole Editing Scenario - Making people believe it can be done - False Hopes...
Very helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
@@VideoRevealed did the multi frame rendering update not make a difference?
I think the problem is not due to using or not using mogrt's, they are necessary and the entire industry appreciates it, I think the problem is that mogrt's distributors must categorize them, so that all those who are buying one or downloading one, have in advance the idea of how complex the mogrt will be to run on your pc or mac, and for that there could be a kind of categories that go from "easy mogrt" "standard mogrt" "hard mogrt" "don't fuck with me mogrt "
They will never do that because it could mean a lost sale. I'd love if they did, but I really don't think we'll see it.
4:58 - "Abso-freaking-loutely not" is the perfect word for it right there 😂
Yep, I get caught up sometimes. 😛
Dude, you are funny. Thanks a lot! I was so confused as I got a beast of a computer.
We all get confused by companies who oversell Mogrts.
This was my exact reaction. I just started video editing and went from a Ryzen 5800X to a 5950X which is a beast and from 32GB RAM to 64GB RAM and this was still happening on a small intro clip. I thought I was doing something wrong. because of the stuttering i encountered.
thanks for the AMAZING videos and knowledge you share! quick question: do you need AE installled in your system to use MOGRT that are using AE?
It depends. When you export to a Mogrt in After Effects, you can be alerted if you need Dynamic Link or not. Some effects will require Dynamic Link so you only know when you're creating the Mogrt.
@@VideoRevealed and when you download a mogrt, you can't really know then?
Thanks always for the info!
One Question! What part of the PC would you upgrade first in order to make MOGRTs run faster in Premier Pro?
It won't help to upgrade one part. If you need lots of CPU power and you only upgrade RAM, then it will still be slow. Render a video instead. Try this tutorial:
ua-cam.com/video/7_HALp7avVM/v-deo.html
@@VideoRevealed thank you for your words and advice !!! Will try the tutorial!!! :))
Even with bullet point text .mograts are a bit slow. You can't keyframe them in PR anyway. They aren't quite advantageous enough yet to use as you would in apple motion FCP workflow. You might as well put an AE in the comp. I'm keeping my eye on using them as I like using AE with PR.
Ohh thank you mate! I was about getting crazy what's wrong with my system... Ok! I have ddr4 16 gb but still I shouldn't have that slow rendering. Now I understand the problem. Thank you so much!
I'm glad you found it useful.
and even after years, with amd 7800x3d and 4080 rtx we still cant play mogrts properly
then there's no hope for my imac then. lol
Great tutorial Colin. I find if its a slow mogrt that doesn't want to move, I don't use it!
Or render it out. ua-cam.com/video/s_MYVMjqScc/v-deo.html
Awful stuff MOGRTs. Not only slow but barely customizable. So I have some text in the mogrt which I don't want, so I just delete the text in the essential graphic panel. Problem is the text has some graphic to go along and that can't be removed... I wish Envato had a filter for mogrts
You know you can edit MOGRT Tempaltes in After Effects, right?
thank you! I was so frustrated. I'm still frustrated, but it is what it is
Why do they make them in the first place?
thanks a lot, i was cracking my head what i am doing wrong
GREAT !! thanks.. the real question is, what sistem does the guys who do templetes and Mogrts use ?
There is no system that can guarantee After Effects will be smooth. I used to do a tutorial when I worked at Adobe on a 40 core system with 256 GB RAM that would bring After Effects to its knees. Lot's of effects are still 100% CPU so that's never going to be as a fast as GPU accelerated effects.
*It's an After Effects Big Ass Animation* haha weird choice of words, I bursted out laughing after you said that.
Thanks. So guess you get why I said it then. 😉
i realize it is quite off topic but does anyone know of a good site to stream newly released movies online?
@Drew Izaiah Try Flixzone. You can find it on google :)
@Harry Antonio Yup, have been using FlixZone for since march myself :D
@Harry Antonio Thank you, I went there and it seems like a nice service :D Appreciate it !!
I just purchased Envanto elements annual subscription and nothing of the Video templates work smoothly and it is so slow and all of the files I liked is a Mogrt files that's why I purchased it, Did I purchase just to hear this ? What should I do now ?
Please help !!
let me know if you found the solution
@@modkh4292Same problem! So stupid... I also want to use all the cool stuff... but i can't... So could you please explain what your solution is right now?
@@RealPasja27 Hi, Did you use premiere Pro templates? Not the Mogrt templates, There also native Premierte pro Project file templates as well. They are faster then mogrts. Mogrts is only for Simple title and lower thirds. Not for heavy slideshow or effects.
haha exectly same issue. hate my life
Omg, I did exactly the same thing: got 1 year subscription, for the same reasons: to use Premiere templates. 😢
so what is the solution? you just described the problem, can you render it or pre render it after you make changes or something along those lines to see how it looks ?
There is no solution to making After Effects faster other than buying a more powerful computer. Yes, you can render anything, then it plays as a video BUT, that doesn't solve the problem because it's no longer an editable title. After Effects will always be slower than Premiere Pro.
Hi I hope you see this comment . would adding more ram help to make it better? is it the lack of ram that is causing the slow-ness?
RAM always helps after effects I have 64GB and AE can use around 40GB or more, at minimum you should have 16 GB with 32GB recommended. But ram is only responsible for holding the preview, its mostly CPU that impacts the slow preview load time
Is a potential solution to make it quicker to just export the Mogrt template as an MP4 from premiere on it's own, then place that MP4 video into the Premiere project we want the Mogrt in?
Mp4s do not support transparency. I suggest exporting from After Effects as a QuickTime 4444 format.
Thought I was the only one experiencing this
I got my answer
thank you
Thank you for making this video. I have a MSI GS66 laptop and all the sudden my export times went to hell. Bright side is, adobe thought it was their update🙄 (it probably was tho) . i have been getting the full creative cloud suite for $30 a month as their way of saying sorry i missed some deadlines. PRO TIP: DO NOT SET CREATIVE CLOUD TO UPDATE AUTOMATICALLY. YOU WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A HUGE EDIT ON A SATURDAY MORNING AND THEN ALL THE SUDDEN.....FREEEEEEZZZZZEEEEE. CRASH. And you lost the last hour or so of progress, and have to wait until the download is finished. And then hope there isnt major issues between your project files and the new version of Premier. Been an adobe cloud sub for 3 years now. Final Cut is looking amazing lately. Wish they would do a subscription plan tho.
Never update anything during a production. Not the software, OS, or anything. That's why Creative Cloud auto update is off by default.
I thought for a moment there, "i"ll have a solution" haha. lol
No matter what, you just can't make After Effects any faster.
@@VideoRevealed Anw. I have learned so much in your channel
is there any solutions to make it quicker at all? at this rate it sounds easier to hire in a animator lol thanks for the video really explained the process well! I had no clue after effects runs faceless for EG
There is no "fix". After Effects is just a slow program as it needs to do a lot of calculations at the sub-pixel level.
I have learned so much from watching your videos!! Thanks so much! As for After effects, I have given up on it permanemently. Unless I buy a $10,000 mac, I cant use AE.
I have a 2014 MacBook Air, and I can run it. I just store all my footage and effects on an external hard drive.
@@mattwhite7249 I will try that. But I dont have faith it will work. I hope I am wrong.
@@jasonrossrealty Good Luck
It's not After Effects fault, that's just what it takes to run a complex compositing program with sub-pixel rendering.
You must have simple After Effects Comps to run it on that computer.
Well that's sad, but now at least I know! Thanks.
Yep, After Effects is just slow.
I am just now discovering this issue as well. I found that while an AE mogrt file plays slowly in Premiere, if I import the AE comp it will play back much faster. I am posting minutes after trying this so I don't have any definitive testing to refer to, but a quick look at my GPU's usage seems to show that Premiere doesn't use the GPU while rendering mogrts but does for playing back the imported AE comp.
Could this be the issue and if so, any ideas on how to fix it?
The whole idea behind a Mogrt vs a Comp is to provide controls for customization in Premiere Pro. If you just need the animation, then don't use a Mogrt.
The Mogrt is not the same Comp. There is definitely more overhead with the Mogrt.
Tried every which way to bring in a MOGRT to a 2017 CC version of PP, but I get an 'unable to install' error message, 😮💨
Short answer is Premiere pro is nothing but a ball of garbage. It sucks that some third party plugin only work on this garbage and resolve has limited stuff like keying and animation if it only has that I have been long in the Davinci Resolve community. Final Cut is good but its really for standard work and not on fancy ones with lot of overlay speed ramping keying and masking.
Mine can play mogrt but problem is it does framedrop from time to time and its annoying, in yours though i'd probably scream if mine was that slow, tbh if that was how my machine react on mogrt i'd probably throw it on the dumpster.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
I guess one way to do it is edit in AE, save as a video and import to PP?
thank you so much
You're welcome!
I'm like my laptop is pretty decent and why the heck am I lagging so tremendously after dragging the mogrts.
exactly same here btw you did any solution ? i shifted to davinci
My own problem is a little different. My premiere pro is always very fast until I import mogart templates into it and then the entire premiere pro becomes slow even without bringing the mogart files into my timeline. Whenever I import mogart s and preset files into premiere pro, it begins to lag. But without them, it's super fast. Any solution to how best to store them within premiere pro ?
As soon as you import a Mogrt, that launches Dynamic Link in the background. Dynamic Link is like a full version of After Effects, but without the user interface. It takes CPU and RAM resources and that's what might be causing the slowdown.
@@VideoRevealed oh wow, thank you. Because I was beginning to wonder, I mean I don't even use After Effects, but thank you so much
very good
Thanks
Wow thank you
You’re welcome.
one of the reasons i hate premiere so much.
So does that mean that I can’t do it or it will just take forever to do in pp instead of ae
It depends on how complex the After Effects project is and how powerful, or not, your system is. It's just like using After Effects itself, you can easily have a super dense project. It can get so slow that it's impossible to move the Timeline but you can always render out the final output on any system. But the whole reason behind Mogrts is interactivity but if you can interact, it's not that useful.
Final Cut is faaaaaar superior with these types of templates. I just switched to premier for a job and blown away how they overcomplicate everything and how render times are insane...
I have also noticed if you have too much file in a project or have a big project with over 1.5k cuts and things like multicam , you may come across random dumb Render issues even though there is nothing wrong with the project xD.
And the only solution i found was to delete all of these things and remake my own manually 😅
Large Projects do take a toll on your system. Time for more power and RAM.
@@VideoRevealedthanks for the advice, i do want to upgrade but I'm also afraid that its more of a software issue and increasing the power may only be a temporary fix 🤔
Current system is a :
I7 7700 hq , 1050 ti ,
16gb ddr4 2800hz with an ssd.
I also thought about switching my editing software to something like Davinci Resolve but
re learning everything in another program is kinda hard 😅😅
Either way Thank you for your amazing tutorials 😁⚘
How can I render faster with AE Templates in Premiere Pro? The Quality from the AE Template is not important.
There is no way to control the quality to increase performance. AE Templates render at the original quality of the AE Project.
@@VideoRevealed okay
Dell precision what model and what the guts inside. Thank for you help and wonderful videos?? Be well.
I have a graphic at the end of each video showing the workstation I'm using for my tutorials.
I also added this compact tower for editing and it's incredible:
www.dell.com/en-ca/work/shop/workstations/precision-3640-tower-workstation/spd/precision-3640-workstation
@@VideoRevealed Thank you. Haha, I guess I have to watch the credits.. :)
I made simple mogrt in AE with couple shapes and one text container with one expression which controls font size. Mogrt filesize is 50-120 KB. And my PP takes it so slowly like it contains huge hard supereffects, so it takes huge time to render it. Why? It's simple, no any supereffects, but PP takes it hard anyway.
Good to know, though I can't even do Mogrts as I run CS4, which can't even do them, at all as it predates these motion graphics, though I don't think that's true for After Effects files I generate (yes, I have the Master Suite of CS4) that can be dropped into Premiere. However, a mere Dell Optiplex 9020 with a Core i5 processor and 16GB of memory is just "adequate" for basic editing. :-) Graphics cards is an Invidia GFource 610GT that does reasonably well, though just adding titles (remember, I still run the legacy titler) and it stumbles until I render through them.
Yes that's some old software ya got there.
Thank you! I thought my computer was the problem 🤭
It's not your computer, it's After Effects.
In order to use mogarts on premiere ,do I need to install after effects?
No. But you can create your own mogrts in AE
It depends. Some Mogrts will require After Effects to be installed because the Dynamic Link version that Premiere Pro uses, does have limitations. If you're a Creative Cloud customer, then you already have After Effects.
There are some limitations.
Headless AE 👍
I did not know how that worked. 🙏
Sadly, I find myself having to rerender all my AE imports if I leave PremierePro and return. No idea why this seems to be only happening to me.
Preview renders are not permanent. You might want to use Render and Replace. ua-cam.com/video/s_MYVMjqScc/v-deo.html
@@VideoRevealed really? When I cut in Avid they were cemented unless I made a change on a clip. Now they only last until I quit. Even Adobe seems mystified. Why wouldn’t they last? What is the benefit of losing the link to preview files but the files remain on the drive?
its like web template in last 10 years . So many DEV and Creator doesnt bother to make useable tools anymore . They just throwing everything and call it full features . After Effects ( and most Adobe apps ) basically very slow . If you`re in starting phase , I will suggesting to learn 3D software instead
Hi all! I'm looking for help with a black screen upon "render and replace" of MOGRTs on my Premier timeline. It looks just fine on the timeline until I render and replace. At that point, it immediately turns the screen black in whatever segment the MOOGRT is in. The only semi clean fix I've found is to lower the opacity on the MOGRT. Issue with that is a noticeable darkening of the screen during that moment. Watch my short film Listen and you'll see what I mean. In the section where the text bubbles pop up on screen. Please help!
wow ill suffer in AE then! Thanks!
Ok.
Not quite. Working on AE is pretty fast (even on complex projects)... make it a MOGRT and goes dead slow on premiere. I have Years using AE, and no. AE is not nearly that slow. The exact same project will run 10x faster on AE than on premiere as a MOGRT.
Which sucks, because the whole poing of MOGRT is having nice graphics on premiere
Should I switch to AE? I see everyone talking about AE but Ive only ever used premiere cause I like to stick to what I know, but if youre saying AE will be faster than I just might make the switch.
@@metalcorehighlights8586 AE It's definetly WAY more complicated than premiere. But unless you have a pretty strong PC, yeah do all your graphics on AE. You'll eventually get the hang of it
right now MOGRT suck in render speed for premiere 2023
@@videoediting2907 I upgraded EVERY component of my PC trying to figure out what was causing the slow playback speeds in Premiere and nothing worked. but It seems like the problem isn’t my computer at all, but instead it’s just the huge template files I’m always using in premiere. So yeah if they run smoother on AE I will finally make the dreaded switch which I’ve been procrastinating for years lol. Gonna take me forever to learn.
@Metalcore Highlights Dude I've been there. Is not your PC. MOGRT files are very poorly optimized. Do this: open the MORGT with After Effects and save it somewhere as an .aep then just drag and drop into premiere > select the comp you want. It will be faster working as an aep on premiere via dynamic link than a MOGRT file with controls within Premiere. Either way, a MOGRT is basically an aep project being rendered with After Effects in the background. You actually cannot use MOGRT files without After Effects installed in your system
@@filmmaking2444 this is the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you sir 🙏🏻
I don’t know maybe you will help maybe you won’t I’m new at editing and I’m also a film student so I need to use a video can be anything in the back ground and have a map and a red dot or a line follow from point a to point be I do not know how to use after effects just would like to do it in premier can it be done I need to do this by the end of the weekend so I would appreciate some sort of answer quick thank you so much
Here ya go!
ua-cam.com/video/ztucP5nTb7Q/v-deo.html
@@VideoRevealed yeah, I have seen that and that great, and I'm trying to recreate that but with our map from my home town to climax Virginia but I m new to all these programs and that's my problem you do show how you created all of that you just show the already complete PSD file.
Thanks you my laptop save from a big couple of punchs!!!!!!!
and what is the solution ?
There is none. After Effects is slow.
@@VideoRevealed hahaha. Thanks for this. Great. Wicked slow.
May i know the spec of your laptop
My specs are at the end of every show.
@@VideoRevealed thanks.
Please stop the music at the end of the video. There is no need. Your video was so informative and then when the music started I just wanted to close the browser so bad.
I wrote that music and I love it! 😜
@@VideoRevealed might have just been too loud is all, the music sounded awesome, it was just overpowering your voice.
@@Team.Louish definitely too loud. but awesome music! :)
I liked it lol
The music is good but definitely too loud and shouldn't overpower your voice.
I wondered why is this happening 😭😭. I can do the same thing on a smartphone or filmora😀😀😀.
Not sure you can handle everything that After Effects can do on a smartphone or Filmora.
solution ?
Final Cut Pro
davinci
What is a mogurt?
Mogrt , Motion graphics templates i guess 🤔
I looked it up to learn that it is a Motion Graphic Template. Probably should have included that info at the top Colin. Nonetheless, thanks for another great, informative video.
Adobe coined the term when they introduced these titles, it's short for Motion Graphics Template.
Yep.
Sorry, I'll add it.
Sir, pls suggest me settings for how can i faster my render.
The only answer is to use a more powerful computer.
Yep, as Colin said, need the fastest CPU you can afford, the fastest GPU/graphics card, and the most memory your PC can support, then SSD drives for the OS/software, scratch discs and for saving to during the project. Mechanical drives are more than fine for things like backups and for archival storage where you'll only need to retrieve periodically from. So in other words, anything faster than either the Ryzen 5 or Core i5 processor.
You can also try limited use of effects specially blur and sharpen effects, they make render very slow. Sometimes minimum colour grading will also help. Finally have a good graphics card which is must for faster rendering!
There is something wrong with your audio in this video, its highly digitized, overly processed. Weird.
Oh really? I'll try to fix that in the future.
I'm literally ready to quit all together because this is so unusable its not even worth trying anymore. These new motion graphics sucks so bad.
Nothing can make the required rendering faster in After Effects. That's why it's slow. It's not broken or wrong, it's just how computing works.
Colin, I LOVE you videos and have been following you for years now. Would you mind cutting back on your cursing though, it is not necessary and un-dignifying. Additionally at least one of my children are usually in the room with me, and it is unfortunate that I can only play your videos when my children are not present.
Oh on, I feel awful. I'm so sorry. I'll try to remember that for the future. Sorry.
@@VideoRevealed I love your colorful language - keep it up.
Jaysus mate ...get to the point
If you can't concentrate for 10 minutes the problem might be with you, not the person who's experience and efforts you are watching for free
dont complain my friend, you can skip around or use x1.5 speed etc
thx for this inside. now I have to find a way to tell my boss about it ... ;-)