Yeah, he really is determined to make up for believe in Moebius's lies about vampires, just because Moebius was manipulated by the Elder for his own agenda and his hate for vampires because they couldn't return to the Wheel of Fate and feed him. And hence why he even revealed to Raziel how he used the Heart of Darkness to revive Kain as a vampire, to set him down that path that would lead him to becoming Scion of Balance.
This is not the first time actually Kain and Hylden Lord meet... Hylden Lord knows Kain, but Kain is yet to learn more about his true enemy. Love the way they wrote these into the lore game by game.
Technically it is the first time, even with time travel. The only other time Kain fights the Hyldan lord is in BO2 which takes place 200 years later. Unless you count his fight with Raziel...but thats hardly the same as Raziel is only having his anger influenced and even then hes fighting future Kain.
In all honesty this game was ahead of its time , the voice acting and story telling is top notch but I like DEFIANCE more ... wished there was a sequel to it with raziel inside the sword,
@@PsychoticLuke Actually, Blood Omen 2 is the sequel to Soul Reaver 2 and the prequel to Defiance. The timeline changes at the end of SR2, are the events of BO2 and the repercussions are felt in defiance.
@@frankbrown4780 close, but the other guy was right. The events of soul reaver 2 altered history to an extreme degree, leading to the events of defiance. In that game, when raziel resurrected Janos, oblivious to Kain’s warning: the Holden lord was the force that overtook him. With the pure-blooded vessel needed to open the way at the death of the pillars (& to use as a power source for their in-the-works doomsday weapon), he fled. Planting the seeds for the events of Bo2.
Fun fact the original plot for Soul Reaver was Kain was unnabled to sacrifice himself due Nurraptor's corruption so he decided recreated Mortanious's plan using Raziel at the same manner he was used to kill the circle, to Kill himself and his brothers to restore Nosgoth again
Soul Reaver was released unifinished, hence why Raziel doesn't fight all his brothers before facing Kain. The story just gets more complicated with the Hylden and the tentacle god thing.
@@damianwarneke305 Hylden were originally enemies from a scrapped game called Sirens, repurposed to be enemies in legacy of Kain. Maybe that’s why it feels like that.
I always thought this too. You actually receive Mortanius' death orb which "gave him power over death" after the first fight and it's later shown that the Hylden had indeed been the ones behind Ariel's death and the corruption of the pillars, and that they could possess Mortanius. So with all that, plus the way he talks after he transforms, plus the fact the demon form looks like the ones you fought in Avernus and the ones the Hylden summon against Raziel I think it's pretty conclusive to assume that you were talking to the "Sarafan Lord" after Mortanius' first defeat.
@@NineBreakerUIXB thats because we were. The Necromancer was "No more" after the Possession became Overdrawn. Remember how those humans possessed became in Defiance because of the Bindings weakening
@@clarencewilliams5065 The reason I describe it as an assumption is because although all the threads match, there's no concrete explanation from the writers. And with any creative endeavour it should be up to the original architect to decide what is true and false in the world they created....unless they retcon something dumb like Dumbledore being gay or Hermione being black just for virtue signalling points when counter information is available in any of their works... The example I presented sounds perfect, but I wouldn't present it as fact because unfortunately the goddess known as Amy Hennig has not been able to elaborate on or continue LoK. Thusly, it's a theory, a perfectly good one, but a theory nonetheless.
@@NineBreakerUIXB Yeah. I imagine once Kain slayed the Hylden Lord here, he escaped, since his physical form was gone, BUT he had his soul, which led him to find Janos after the Pillars were destroyed due to Kain refusing to sacrificing himself, thus leading the Hylden to be free from the Binding.
Raziel: “you know Kain used to tell me about you. Course you sound a lot different than how he described it. It almost sounds like the elder god.” Mortanius: “coincidence!”
@@Dionysus-207 Agreed, he did a great job stepping in as Mortanius in Defiance, and really captured how his actions were, especially considering that he knew he made a terrible mistake thanks to Moebius.
Probably my favourite game series for storyline of all time. Looking at it now in 2020 I find it pretty awesome/hilarious how everyone is crying out for representation, but this entire masterpiece was written by a woman who included almost no female characters in the whole thing. Pure respect to Amy Hennig, she didn't give a fuck, she just made good shit.
@@NineBreakerUIXB After I wrote that comment I looked up to see what she was working on. Turns out she's an exec at Skydance Media. I believe they have their own animation department as well, so maybe she can strike a deal to get a LoK animated series?
@@FarronOfHouseFarron I am ashamed to admit that I have not looked into what she's been up to since the whole Naughty Dog fiasco, big world of news out there n all lol. Although we Were left with "hope" as the de facto ending of LoK, and people did try to support that...mmo based travesty despite it was absolutely Not what people wanted from the series, I still think it's capable of a reboot or a sequel. Despite how rarely they are done, vampire games are Very fun and everyone fucking knows it lol. LoK was one of the best storylines I've ever experienced, vampire or otherwise...Tho we can't argue that the voice acting sold it heavily. Shit, it's no coincidence that Simon Templemen got a role in Angel around the time Defiance was coming out lol. Anyways yeah, I could go on all day. I'd watch an LoK show, tho I'd hafta steel myself heartily if the voices weren't the same lol.
@@NineBreakerUIXB Honestly, provided Amy Hennig had creative control over the show, I'd have a lot more faith in it than if anyone else did. I think she could quite easily swing getting Simon Templeman and Michael Bell back. It's just finding someone that could be on par with Tony Jay and René Auberjonois.
Dang, if there was a genuine epilogue to the LoK series, I want it to be about the recruitment of the new generation of the Pillar Guardians, as well as a way to destroy the Elder God once and for all. Well, I thought it would be pretty awesome. Mrs. Hennig, where art thou?
I always wondered whether or not Silicon Knights intended for Mortanius' final form actually being the Hylden Lord possessing him or this being simply his "combat" form.
@@U9B No. I don't believe it was "just a demon." This was supposed to be Hash' ak' gik. Remember the underpinning theme of "beware the unspoken." And this demon being Hash'ak'gik would've been fine except through their mishandling of the plot and time travels Hash'ak'gik winds up being Turel, the brother that Raziel never got around to killing. And Turel, as Hash'ak'gik, was just a pawn of the hylden, as was mortanius to bring down the circle of 9. But now does it make any sense in this game that Kain is fighting one of his future lieutenants (Turel) which he made from a serafin who then mutated into Hash'ak'gik?
@@eduardojara6955 I don't believe the elder god and hash'ak'gik are the same person. But I could be wrong. That is what makes their attempt to tie Turrel back into the story so screwy. Turrel, as Hash' ak' gik, is what "infiltrated" the circle of nine from within. What the circle and the worshipers didn't realize was that Turrel (Hash' ak' gik') was being used by the hylden to bring down the circle of nine. Mortanius realized this, but was himself possessed by the hylden, i'm guessing through his association with Turrel. When Mortanius could regain control he "set prophecy into motion" by having Kain killed only to bring him back as a vampire and sick him on the circle, which meant himself as well. Mortanius essentially commits suicide. The issue is Turrel being Hash' ak 'gik. The creators admitted to running over on the length of the first game, which is why they left Turrel out of it. If Turrel is hash' ak' gik and Kain kills him at the end of blood omen, then how is Turrel (as a seraphin priest) in his coffin after Kain refuses the sacrifice and raids the crypt to raise his vampire lieutenants? Don't get me wrong. Love the overall story, the characters, the dialogue. But the plot is swiss cheese.
What I want to know is, was Mortanius the most powerful pillar guardian in terms of powers? I'm sure Moebius would make a case for himself as the most powerful pillar guardian, or do they all have equal prowess?
I don't know how powerful he is in terms of power compared to the rest of the circle. However, it's worth noting that Mortaneus and Moebius are the first - and therefore the oldest - Human guardians. None of the other Guardians besides Mortaneus, Moebius, and Malek were any older than 500 when they were killed, and so none of them had the kind of experience Mortaneus would have had up to his orchestrating of the Scourge
@@Nechrostriker4 That's an insightful take, I can dig it! The way he turns Anacrothe's attack into lightning, and then using some sort of wraith to break his back? He's just too cool lol. Like what do you even call that ability? The Grim Reaper's chiropractor? I wonder if D&D has an equivalent haha
Its a tricky one, in terms of raw power he also ultimately outmanouvers mobeus since his actions ensure the pillar of balance (kain) is cleansed and armed with the soul reaver. Of coarse that's if we just consider the usual suspects. Kain is afterall a member
This demon is supposed to be "hash'ak'gik" or "the unspoken." But later on we learn that "hash'ak'gik" is just a mutated version of Turel who Raziel never got around to killing. And Turel was just a pawn of the hylden. They fucked up their plot, big time. But i love the whole series and forgive the plot holes.
I think the entity that the Cenobites originally called Hash'ak'gik WAS the Hylden lord manifesting through various possessions. It was Azimuth (and perhaps Mortanius, too) who the Hylden lord instructed to find for him a 'durable vessel'. "With the Time Streaming Device she had stolen from Moebius, the Guardian of the Pillar of Dimension - Azimuth - had summoned Turel from the Soul Reaver era to be utilized as an impressive, durable mouthpiece for the Cult of Hash'ak'gik. Physically unable to escape and possessed by several Hylden, Turel's voice was used to command the cult's followers. Over time, these frequent possessions resulted in his becoming increasingly deranged, *and he accepted his identity as the "god", Hash'ak'gik,* subsiding on the gory human sacrifices cast to him by his human worshippers." - Turel entry on Legacy of Kain wiki This suggests the cult already existed when Turel was 'summoned'. I'm not sure if Turel was ever possessed by the Hylden lord himself, but if he was he truly became Hash in those moments as the spiritual and physical manifestations were one.
@@cgraham6 The Hylden Lord only possessed Mortanius and nobody else (well , Janos later on) . The Hash'ak'gik entity was a collective of several Hylden but not the Hylden Lord himself. The same applies to Turel, some Hylden possessed him and speak trough him to the humans. The Hylden Lord kept the same host (Mortanius) till the end when he choose to posses a resurrected Janos and then later inhabit his own Hylden body.
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I like how Mortanius acknowledges the fact that he'll die by Kain and accepts his fate
Yeah, he really is determined to make up for believe in Moebius's lies about vampires, just because Moebius was manipulated by the Elder for his own agenda and his hate for vampires because they couldn't return to the Wheel of Fate and feed him. And hence why he even revealed to Raziel how he used the Heart of Darkness to revive Kain as a vampire, to set him down that path that would lead him to becoming Scion of Balance.
And yet, Mortanius still defends himself rather than submitting to Kain
@@SamuelBlack84He probably was going to kill himself if he won.
0:57 Kain is like "oh shit"
This is not the first time actually Kain and Hylden Lord meet... Hylden Lord knows Kain, but Kain is yet to learn more about his true enemy. Love the way they wrote these into the lore game by game.
Technically it is the first time, even with time travel. The only other time Kain fights the Hyldan lord is in BO2 which takes place 200 years later.
Unless you count his fight with Raziel...but thats hardly the same as Raziel is only having his anger influenced and even then hes fighting future Kain.
In all honesty this game was ahead of its time , the voice acting and story telling is top notch but I like DEFIANCE more ... wished there was a sequel to it with raziel inside the sword,
Waleed Alsiraji it was originally post to be one more game to end the series.
As far as I know... Blood Omen 2 is the sequel to Defiance, as the timeline has now completely changed.
@@PsychoticLuke Actually, Blood Omen 2 is the sequel to Soul Reaver 2 and the prequel to Defiance. The timeline changes at the end of SR2, are the events of BO2 and the repercussions are felt in defiance.
@@frankbrown4780 close, but the other guy was right. The events of soul reaver 2 altered history to an extreme degree, leading to the events of defiance. In that game, when raziel resurrected Janos, oblivious to Kain’s warning: the Holden lord was the force that overtook him.
With the pure-blooded vessel needed to open the way at the death of the pillars (& to use as a power source for their in-the-works doomsday weapon), he fled.
Planting the seeds for the events of Bo2.
I always forget about Kain's awesome war cry. "Vae Victis" is just cool.
despite he pronounces it wrong.
@@jamesreed2366 Well, he is an English speaker technically. Anglo's typically pronounce Latin off the mark.
@@SefniAsheforr yeah, I guess you are right about that.
@@jamesreed2366 It is sort of weird though that Latin is in Nosgoth. Makes you wonder what the origins of Latin are in this universe.
@@SefniAsheforr yeah, something interesting to theorize.
Fun fact the original plot for Soul Reaver was Kain was unnabled to sacrifice himself due Nurraptor's corruption so he decided recreated Mortanious's plan using Raziel at the same manner he was used to kill the circle, to Kill himself and his brothers to restore Nosgoth again
They should have went with that.
Soul Reaver was released unifinished, hence why Raziel doesn't fight all his brothers before facing Kain. The story just gets more complicated with the Hylden and the tentacle god thing.
@@capuchinhelper The Elder God feels like a plotline they were going for since the original Legacy of Kain. The Hylden...not so much
@@damianwarneke305 Hylden were originally enemies from a scrapped game called Sirens, repurposed to be enemies in legacy of Kain. Maybe that’s why it feels like that.
Honestly I wish they had been able to stay with that. Soul 2 and defiance aren't bad games but the plot in my opinion gets really messy.
Mortanius maybe the only person outside of Raziel he actually praises and maybe in retrospect would begrudgingly respect.
He admired his plan so much that practically recreated the method with Raziel
I mean Mortanius did give Kain a second chance at life, as dark and morbid as the methods were.
"play on little vampire, play on"
Vae Victis!
@@RCDCMagician in casting him to the abyss, had I condemned raziel to this?
Back in the days they knew how to make good stories!
*when Mortanius betrays Kain*
Kain: *i sleep*
*when Umah betrays Kain*
Kain: *VAE VICTIS!!!!*
Bros before hoes....?
It is so strange hearing Tony Jay here as Mortanius, when compared to the character's portrayal in Defiance. I much prefer this iteration.
I like to think that Kain *did* kill Mortanius, but the Hylden Lord took fully his body and could showed himself at the end.
I always thought this too. You actually receive Mortanius' death orb which "gave him power over death" after the first fight and it's later shown that the Hylden had indeed been the ones behind Ariel's death and the corruption of the pillars, and that they could possess Mortanius. So with all that, plus the way he talks after he transforms, plus the fact the demon form looks like the ones you fought in Avernus and the ones the Hylden summon against Raziel I think it's pretty conclusive to assume that you were talking to the "Sarafan Lord" after Mortanius' first defeat.
@@NineBreakerUIXB thats because we were. The Necromancer was "No more" after the Possession became Overdrawn. Remember how those humans possessed became in Defiance because of the Bindings weakening
@@clarencewilliams5065 The reason I describe it as an assumption is because although all the threads match, there's no concrete explanation from the writers. And with any creative endeavour it should be up to the original architect to decide what is true and false in the world they created....unless they retcon something dumb like Dumbledore being gay or Hermione being black just for virtue signalling points when counter information is available in any of their works... The example I presented sounds perfect, but I wouldn't present it as fact because unfortunately the goddess known as Amy Hennig has not been able to elaborate on or continue LoK.
Thusly, it's a theory, a perfectly good one, but a theory nonetheless.
@@NineBreakerUIXB Yeah. I imagine once Kain slayed the Hylden Lord here, he escaped, since his physical form was gone, BUT he had his soul, which led him to find Janos after the Pillars were destroyed due to Kain refusing to sacrificing himself, thus leading the Hylden to be free from the Binding.
I like Tony Jay better as Elder God than as Mortanius. I think the voice they use for him in Defiance works better for the character
Yep, Alastair Duncan is a god.
Raziel: “you know Kain used to tell me about you. Course you sound a lot different than how he described it. It almost sounds like the elder god.”
Mortanius: “coincidence!”
@@Dionysus-207 Agreed, he did a great job stepping in as Mortanius in Defiance, and really captured how his actions were, especially considering that he knew he made a terrible mistake thanks to Moebius.
@@Dionysus-207 Don't fuck with this senator
Vae victis!
this game needs a remake
How about a movie adaptation?
@@chrislehan9699 let's not get any ideas.
I'd suggest a TV adaptation.
@@CamSiv996 that works to
@@CamSiv996 I’d prefer that over a movie adaptation. There is just so much in this game’s story that couldn’t fit in 1 or 2 movies
as long as Simon Templeman returns to voice Kain I am up for a remake.
Probably my favourite game series for storyline of all time. Looking at it now in 2020 I find it pretty awesome/hilarious how everyone is crying out for representation, but this entire masterpiece was written by a woman who included almost no female characters in the whole thing. Pure respect to Amy Hennig, she didn't give a fuck, she just made good shit.
Shame she got screwed over by Naughty Dog. Hopefully Square Enix hires her for a new LoK game.
@@FarronOfHouseFarron Funnily enough, she got "screwed over by Naughty Dog" so they could promote female empowerment...wtf is that shit? Lol
@@NineBreakerUIXB After I wrote that comment I looked up to see what she was working on. Turns out she's an exec at Skydance Media.
I believe they have their own animation department as well, so maybe she can strike a deal to get a LoK animated series?
@@FarronOfHouseFarron I am ashamed to admit that I have not looked into what she's been up to since the whole Naughty Dog fiasco, big world of news out there n all lol.
Although we Were left with "hope" as the de facto ending of LoK, and people did try to support that...mmo based travesty despite it was absolutely Not what people wanted from the series, I still think it's capable of a reboot or a sequel. Despite how rarely they are done, vampire games are Very fun and everyone fucking knows it lol. LoK was one of the best storylines I've ever experienced, vampire or otherwise...Tho we can't argue that the voice acting sold it heavily. Shit, it's no coincidence that Simon Templemen got a role in Angel around the time Defiance was coming out lol. Anyways yeah, I could go on all day. I'd watch an LoK show, tho I'd hafta steel myself heartily if the voices weren't the same lol.
@@NineBreakerUIXB Honestly, provided Amy Hennig had creative control over the show, I'd have a lot more faith in it than if anyone else did.
I think she could quite easily swing getting Simon Templeman and Michael Bell back. It's just finding someone that could be on par with Tony Jay and René Auberjonois.
The series as a whole was very well done. While I did love this game the most, the sequels were not bad games, overall.
Dang, if there was a genuine epilogue to the LoK series, I want it to be about the recruitment of the new generation of the Pillar Guardians, as well as a way to destroy the Elder God once and for all.
Well, I thought it would be pretty awesome.
Mrs. Hennig, where art thou?
I always wondered whether or not Silicon Knights intended for Mortanius' final form actually being the Hylden Lord possessing him or this being simply his "combat" form.
No. It was just a demon.
@@U9B No. I don't believe it was "just a demon." This was supposed to be Hash' ak' gik. Remember the underpinning theme of "beware the unspoken."
And this demon being Hash'ak'gik would've been fine except through their mishandling of the plot and time travels Hash'ak'gik winds up being Turel, the brother that Raziel never got around to killing. And Turel, as Hash'ak'gik, was just a pawn of the hylden, as was mortanius to bring down the circle of 9.
But now does it make any sense in this game that Kain is fighting one of his future lieutenants (Turel) which he made from a serafin who then mutated into Hash'ak'gik?
@@mkn.567 so it's the elder god?
@@eduardojara6955 I don't believe the elder god and hash'ak'gik are the same person.
But I could be wrong.
That is what makes their attempt to tie Turrel back into the story so screwy.
Turrel, as Hash' ak' gik, is what "infiltrated" the circle of nine from within. What the circle and the worshipers didn't realize was that Turrel (Hash' ak' gik') was being used by the hylden to bring down the circle of nine.
Mortanius realized this, but was himself possessed by the hylden, i'm guessing through his association with Turrel.
When Mortanius could regain control he "set prophecy into motion" by having Kain killed only to bring him back as a vampire and sick him on the circle, which meant himself as well.
Mortanius essentially commits suicide.
The issue is Turrel being Hash' ak 'gik. The creators admitted to running over on the length of the first game, which is why they left Turrel out of it.
If Turrel is hash' ak' gik and Kain kills him at the end of blood omen, then how is Turrel (as a seraphin priest) in his coffin after Kain refuses the sacrifice and raids the crypt to raise his vampire lieutenants?
Don't get me wrong. Love the overall story, the characters, the dialogue. But the plot is swiss cheese.
@@mkn.567 yeah, it's mostly the time travel part that gets me confused
Every time I see this I have the same thought. Anacroth, you are the only one left. What do you mean us?
He isn't aware mobeus is dead.
Nice video 😁👍
An epic of Grand Guignol indeed.
02:20 your welcome
2:20 VAE VICTIS!
Is it possible to get to the Sarafan Fortress area in this game? I just finished it and i never went there
I serve no one!
VAE VICTIS!
the state pillar's guardian was killed by Mortanius 😅
But I like Raziel me ^^ Soul Reaver is one of my prefered games :-P
*VAE VICTIS!!!*
This game is far better than Soul Reaver
Kain: Once I embraced my powers I realized that vorador was correct. We are gods dark gods and it is our duty to thin the herd.
What I want to know is, was Mortanius the most powerful pillar guardian in terms of powers?
I'm sure Moebius would make a case for himself as the most powerful pillar guardian, or do they all have equal prowess?
I don't know how powerful he is in terms of power compared to the rest of the circle. However, it's worth noting that Mortaneus and Moebius are the first - and therefore the oldest - Human guardians. None of the other Guardians besides Mortaneus, Moebius, and Malek were any older than 500 when they were killed, and so none of them had the kind of experience Mortaneus would have had up to his orchestrating of the Scourge
@@Nechrostriker4 That's an insightful take, I can dig it!
The way he turns Anacrothe's attack into lightning, and then using some sort of wraith to break his back?
He's just too cool lol.
Like what do you even call that ability?
The Grim Reaper's chiropractor?
I wonder if D&D has an equivalent haha
Its a tricky one, in terms of raw power he also ultimately outmanouvers mobeus since his actions ensure the pillar of balance (kain) is cleansed and armed with the soul reaver.
Of coarse that's if we just consider the usual suspects. Kain is afterall a member
Too bad we'll never get a true sequel to Defiance because they changed writers...hence why Dead Sun bombed.
this series has so much potential, a pity i cannot buy its ip..
Play it on ps1 emulator on your phone feels like a Gameboy
Kain my next cosplay by enjoying to watch idiots and their pitiful schemes XXX
love these games they need to be resurrected !
Hey ! It's just games :-P
Why you have to be mad
If people still loves it 25th years after its release it’s more than « just » a game
For a second I really thought this was a robot chicken skit xD
This one is my favorite in the series. I did not like Defiance that much.
This demon is supposed to be "hash'ak'gik" or "the unspoken." But later on we learn that "hash'ak'gik" is just a mutated version of Turel who Raziel never got around to killing. And Turel was just a pawn of the hylden.
They fucked up their plot, big time. But i love the whole series and forgive the plot holes.
I think the entity that the Cenobites originally called Hash'ak'gik WAS the Hylden lord manifesting through various possessions. It was Azimuth (and perhaps Mortanius, too) who the Hylden lord instructed to find for him a 'durable vessel'.
"With the Time Streaming Device she had stolen from Moebius, the Guardian of the Pillar of Dimension - Azimuth - had summoned Turel from the Soul Reaver era to be utilized as an impressive, durable mouthpiece for the Cult of Hash'ak'gik. Physically unable to escape and possessed by several Hylden, Turel's voice was used to command the cult's followers. Over time, these frequent possessions resulted in his becoming increasingly deranged, *and he accepted his identity as the "god", Hash'ak'gik,* subsiding on the gory human sacrifices cast to him by his human worshippers." - Turel entry on Legacy of Kain wiki
This suggests the cult already existed when Turel was 'summoned'. I'm not sure if Turel was ever possessed by the Hylden lord himself, but if he was he truly became Hash in those moments as the spiritual and physical manifestations were one.
@@cgraham6 The Hylden Lord only possessed Mortanius and nobody else (well , Janos later on) .
The Hash'ak'gik entity was a collective of several Hylden but not the Hylden Lord himself.
The same applies to Turel, some Hylden possessed him and speak trough him to the humans.
The Hylden Lord kept the same host (Mortanius) till the end when he choose to posses a resurrected Janos and then later inhabit his own Hylden body.
No friend, it's my childhood. It is being raped. Constantly. Everywhere. :(
Andhaira good fuck off
@@killert41 you a sicko say what you did to andhaira