Exactly. The most important factor was totally ignored, which means there's no way to tell the difference ! lol Pretty pointless really. Seems more like it's for trying to sell it than actually doing a proper demo.
I picked up a an 84 JCM800 4010 combo last week, amp sounded good but needed more gain for my taste, reading on forums and watching this demo I went picked up a Mr Scary a couple days ago, gain on the Mr Scarry up about 1/2 to 2/3s and brought the gain down on the amp to around 2/3rds to 3/4 up "gives me some headroom on the front of the amp for different guitars, deep switch turned on and brought the bass down on the front of the amp opened up the low end, definitely more defined before turning to mud, the lows are very clear and punchy, best $350 I've spent on tone in 40 years of searching for better tone
All of this sounds fantastic! Like anything it's subjective to the individuals taste. I have two JCM 900 heads, #1) is an MKlll 50 watt, and from my understanding is left over parts from a 800, with the main difference being a diod clip for more gain,this one has EL34s. My second is a 100 watt dual reverb with winged C 6L6 tubes.Lynch mods Motor city music sells these exclusively and can be used in the 900 variant. I'm dying to try it in my MKIII, in my signal chain I have exotics EP clean boost and let me tell you, it's unadulterated pure uncolored clean boost. I'm considering either trying an 8 band or maybe MXRs eq, point being you really don't need an overdrive pedal but! It's flavored to ones taste. For modern metal I'm wanting to try out the attack overdrive pedal/attack freq, but apparently it's backordered. Super cool video man.
Nice amps! My very first customer back in 2019 actually bought the unit for his JCM 900 MKIII - an amp that I hadn’t even really had much familiarity with. I’ve since come to see that a lot of people like it in that circuit as they are able to get a better balance between the knobs up front to balance between the two clipping/OD types.
Got the Mr.Scary in my 86” 2203. Boss SD1 in front. Its absolutely amazing. Thanks for the proper vid. Love the tones youre gettin. Also, where did you clamp the ground? I opted for the tube cover spring on the el34 pwr
It's about frea@K1n& time we git sum mo' Frankhouser content. Been a bit sparse around here for a minute. Don't wanna seem desperate... but come on maaaan! Sounds rad, as usual. Really interesting product. Do you think that it offers an overall JCM-improvement over simply slamming the front end with a boost? You always seem to get such a great sound doing that. The palm mutes on this video do seem more patently "metal" than your other boosted JCM 800 vids. Would be interesting to hear this in an even less gainy amp, like an old 4 input Superlead or plexi. Thanks Jason!
That is a very good question....with the amount of new awesome modern boost pedals (Duality, Aesahaetter, Savage Drive, Hexdrive being my faves), it makes getting high gain tight tones out of old Marshalls much easier. I have always kinda felt that I preferred to just solely boost because it was more simple and these new modern boosts have so much tone shaping in them. plus a ton of output, that getting what I wanted out of an 800 was no problem. I realized with this new module it actually widens the possibilities of what i can do with the boosts and it actually opens up the possibilities of what boosts will work. I usually would not boost an 800 with the CMBOD but with the MS Module it works very well. So, that's where I am at with it currently. Yes, I can still boost just with a pedal, but using the module opens up quite bit of possibility with what boost I can use and gives me more tonal options.
Damn, that sounded so tight and heavy even over the shitty UA-cam compression algorithm. I can only imagine how much better that sounds in the room. Liked and subbed. \m/ O_o \m/
Hey Jason much love bro Bought a killertone... Saving up for a fortin but it looks like its going to be the sigil based on my finances... I'll have to grab an evil pumpkin pedal.. I wanted to ask you.. whats your favorite key to play in? Im enjoying alot of sabbath tuning right now ... C# standard rocks hard🦾🦾🦾🤘🤘🤘.. Much love my guy .. Ronnie Killertone
If it uses what’s called a cathode follower tone stack, it will be compatible. Happy to discuss or answer any questions at david@legendarytones.com. Thank you and appreciate your interest!
The Mr Scary one sounded the best to me. Its sound is more "focused" in the tonal spectrum compared to the other ones which were kind of flubby in the lows/low-mids department. Legendary Tones definitely hit it out of the proverbial park with the Mr Scary Hot Mod indeed!
It's exactly the same as the Lynch mod, just a different tube combo, I'll have to try that tube combo in mine, I got the LM when he released them back in 2021 :)
My 50 watt JCM needs only a yellow OD and my Het Set. I did mod it with a few key diode changes, a good bias and a high quality cap upgrade. Killer gain and bottom end through a Recto cab with 3 greens and a hemp cone.
I had both the original Legendary and Mr Scary for my Marshall JMP 50 Watt 76 era. Both were great however I opted back to the stock amp with a slight mod and been happy since.
The older i get the more that i've started to prefer the sound of a ridiculously high gain Marshall JCM800 over the traditional 5150's and dual rectifiers. One thing i'd really love to try is sticking a Mesa Boogie 5 band graphic EQ in the FX loop. Coming from someone such as myself who much prefers the sound of my Randall RG solid state amp with an Exciter in the loop over said traditional high gain amplifiers, i've heard that since the Randall RG amplifiers were designed around hot rodded JCM800's that the face knobs on the amp pretty much work the same way as a JCM800, meaning that whenever you add treble on the amp, you're also adding upper mids, which has me curious as to how it would work in conjunction with a Mesa 5 band graphic in the loop.
That would sound tremendous I’d bet. I’ve got a reissue 2203x at home and should definitely try that with an EQ in the loop for some extra flexibility.
@@LegendaryTones i've tried it with a 6 band EQ on my Zoom MS50G stompbox multi FX unit and it worked pretty good for the frequencies that it was designed to affect. I'm still adamant on trying it with a Mesa Boogie 5 band graphic because of the specific frequencies that Mesa Boogie had designed the pedal to affect, but i'm mainly looking to try it out with an Orange Crush Pro 120 because of how much tighter those amps are with a 5 band graphic in the loop. You might be able to achieve some Master of Puppets or And Justice For All guitar tones if you wind up using a Mesa 5 band graphic, which i'm hoping i'll be able to accomplish with my Randall RG combo going into my Orange 4x12!
Great demo and great riffs as usual. Keep up the great clips! The Mr. Scary was the best overall, with the Lynch Mod coming in pretty close. I was not a fan of the V2.
A pedal pretty much does it for me in front of my amps but this is definitely a cool option. Do you think it would be enough on its own, without a pedal? I ask because I'm going to have to rig up a new practice setup somewhere.
It just depends what you're going for...I like higher gain tight thrash tones so I use it with a pedal to further that end. If you're doing 80s metal in standard tuning or something that doesn't require super tight bass then I think you'll be fine.
You just made me poorer than I was 5 minutes ago. There are still some of these for sale, but they are limited in quantity. I got the last remaining on on Reverb that had offers open + free shipping... But the prices will probably go up when these run out. Cool thing is.. I think this will also work in my Peavey VTM 120 that could use a little extra gain.
Land o' lakes,wi....here !...........tnx,,,,for this REAL vid for this new toy....I've just got a early 90's Marshall 250 dfx,,,and am ingulfed in tone,for real.....this Mr scary,sounded perfect,clean,,added crunch.......tnx,,,,,...now where's my LTD ...?.......🎸🎸pat.
The Mr Lynch one is surely nicer in the low end but I think the old one sounds just fine when boosted. I do like the girth of it with the mr scary with the deep switch on and almost makes me want to order it, but at this point I'm too attached to my old hmv2 😁 Curious to see how the old one will do with one 12AT7 tho
I have a brown Lynch one. In my 2015 2203X, I like a 12AU7 and an older 12AX7 long plate….feels like it’s the best combination to be thick, but still roll the guitar volume down for a decent clean. I never use a drive with it (the mod)….I also like the sound of a 12AU7 and a 12AV7 for a more classic “modded 800 tone”…..I also always play it with the bass boost off…I think bass in the preamp isn’t a good idea. 🤘🏼
I noticed your master volume on the JCM is on 2 with the preamp and bass both on 7 or so. If I did that, my converters would be far into the red. The JCM is also extremely loud with these settings. So I guess my question is, what did you use to attenuate your signal to get a more recordable level?
Properly mic'd up with a good mic preamp and proper gain staging has no effect on converters. Just like it would had it been hitting tape back in the old days. There is no issue here at all with how loud I ran the amp because I mic'd it properly.
Interesting. I had the original one with a stock 2203 and it was very farty, no edge.Even boosts and ODs really didn't improve it much. I just about gave it away. Super nice guy though. I agreed with your first opinion of it you gave some time ago. Yours sounds much better. And yes, The Mr. Scary is pretty Killer.
I felt the same way about the first one. I actually told David my feeling and he modded it for me based on my feedback. Those mods basically became the Hot Mod 2 Evo version. That one was a big improvement but I still preferred just to boost my amps. This module is a big step forward. Actually makes the amp have a wider range of tones with or without a boost. Really digging it.
I think I would have got a lot more out of this demo if you would have given the stock amp sound vs each of these. At least it would given an approximation of the amount of clipping and saturation to a normal amp. I would have liked to hear it with either a clean boost, or a more transparent OD with a flatter EQ like a Timmy or a Blues driver for the same reason. I had Badass OD over a decade ago, and only for a few days because it didn't really have what I was looking for, but for the life of me I can't remember what it sounded like. I'm assuming it was Tube Screamer based circuit but I'm not sure.
On my own channel I have a very basic video showing some before and after with the Hot Mod V2 Evo in an 800 that’s stock. I will put the link here. Sometimes though it’s still going to be really tough to get all the nuances in a video demo between pedals or the mod - but I know we all do our best. ua-cam.com/video/FHKGi7o3n50/v-deo.html
@@LegendaryTones oh I'm well aware, I've building and repairing amps for 15 years. I'd go further than just the nuances that you'll miss, all you can really judge from listing to a recording is more or less the EQ curve; attack, resonance, sustain to a degree are lost. To be honest I think trying to make buying decision based on what you hear on a UA-cam video is a fools errand, especially with videos comparing two different, but similar pickups; there's so much compression happening between the sound the instrument makes all the way to it's terminus at your computer or headphones listing to it that you'd probably get a much better idea on the tone by having someone just describe it to you.
Mr. scary in many ways. I know it's been tested but plugging this into a tube slot of a 3 or 4 thousand dollar amp would be a little scary. Sounded great though.
I understand the concern. If it helps, know that I’ve worked extensively and directly with the folks at Marshall during development. And my co-designer Andy Marshall of THD helped quite a bit to ensure all is safe, in addition to having Mike Soldano’s (original Hot Mod maker) blessing and support of the design.
The only issue with the JCM 900 SLX is that it has a bridge rectifier BR3 chip inside that was under-spec’d - it often blew under load historically (without the mod) and the fix is to update it with one that has higher amp rating. IF your amp was updated, the mod would work fine in it. Many people love the mod in the JCM 900 MKIII 2100/2500 models but the SLX needs that BR3 update for the mod to work with it.
One thing I noticed here, which I think can have a very drastic effect on tone is, I noticed you're using 6550 power tubes. That being said, honestly, I'd like to hear what this same demo sounds like with EL34 or 6AC7 power tubes. I mean, weren't both 2203 and 2204 originally EL34 based anyways ? Reply
A couple of things here… First, Marshalls from around ’77 to ’81 were shipped with 6550s due to a lack of a good EL34 at the time. So, this amp is stock since it is an ’81. Second, the entire video is done with the same amp and same settings with the same tubes. The fact that this amp has 6550s shouldn’t change what you hear between models of the Hot Mod.
@@ShadovvV Not at all. I am saying that the output tubes in the amp have little bearing in this case because all hot Mods were tested the same. So, inside of this test, there is no variance from Hot Mod to Hot Mod as far as how they were tested. They were all tested with the same settings and same tubes. The purpose of this test isn't whether 6550s or EL34s sound the same it is what the Hot Mods sound like in this particular amp. Without a doubt this demo shows the differences between the versions of the Hot Mod and whatever output tubes the amp has don’t really matter since all versions were tested the exact same way.
@@killertone- Actually, the output tubes WOULD matter TO ME because my Marshall 2204 uses EL34. ;) That's why I asked. I'm glad it sounds good for YOUR purpose though.
@@killertone- Another reason why I don't really think your demo here is effective is because you didn't show what your amp and pedal sounds like without any of the mods plugged in, which makes the demo a bit irrelevant, since there's no way to compare how it would sound without any of them installed. How are people supposed to know the different of how drastically the mod changes the amp? They can't.
You're in luck because they totally do. You just need to make sure you get the right one. Shoot David an email at david@legendarytones.com or check this link here to see which one you need: legendarytones.com/will-my-hot-mod-v2-work-in-x-amp/#more-1455
@@killertone if you read through all of that you see that nothing is offered for any jcm 800 models past 1983, unless they have completely redesigned this product it won't fit. After 1983 Marshall changed the layout and moved 1 of the filter capacitors to directly in front of v2 not giving the hot mod and scary enough room to fit. I learned this the hard way.
FYI - at the time I made this video the manufacturer did not support the product being used in Mesa Rectifier amps.
Mr. Scary with boost sounds the best! I just got my 77 JMP 2203 and I think this one would make it breathe fire!
That full mix was just pure bliss! Awesome tone!
The mxr and Mr Scary with the 2204 is a killer combo. Heavy, crunchy, nice voicing, and killer riffage man!!!
У меня есть jcm800 2203x и этот прибор. Такая педаль тоже есть. С этим прибором я считаю педаль не нужна, и так ревет замечательно.
Kinda wish we could of heard the amp without the mod, Just to hear what the mods actually do.
Exactly. The most important factor was totally ignored, which means there's no way to tell the difference ! lol Pretty pointless really. Seems more like it's for trying to sell it than actually doing a proper demo.
Nothing better than a hot modded 800. Always killer
I picked up a an 84 JCM800 4010 combo last week, amp sounded good but needed more gain for my taste, reading on forums and watching this demo I went picked up a Mr Scary a couple days ago, gain on the Mr Scarry up about 1/2 to 2/3s and brought the gain down on the amp to around 2/3rds to 3/4 up "gives me some headroom on the front of the amp for different guitars, deep switch turned on and brought the bass down on the front of the amp opened up the low end, definitely more defined before turning to mud, the lows are very clear and punchy, best $350 I've spent on tone in 40 years of searching for better tone
Such awesome tones! The Mr. Scary in particular sounds great
Thanks man. That module is killer!
It does work with the old 2 ch rectos and sounds really killer!man your tones are so damn sick bro
Whoa, ain't seen Jason for a while, this guys riffs crush.
All of this sounds fantastic! Like anything it's subjective to the individuals taste. I have two JCM 900 heads, #1) is an MKlll 50 watt, and from my understanding is left over parts from a 800, with the main difference being a diod clip for more gain,this one has EL34s. My second is a 100 watt dual reverb with winged C 6L6 tubes.Lynch mods Motor city music sells these exclusively and can be used in the 900 variant. I'm dying to try it in my MKIII, in my signal chain I have exotics EP clean boost and let me tell you, it's unadulterated pure uncolored clean boost.
I'm considering either trying an 8 band or maybe MXRs eq, point being you really don't need an overdrive pedal but! It's flavored to ones taste. For modern metal I'm wanting to try out the attack overdrive pedal/attack freq, but apparently it's backordered. Super cool video man.
Nice amps! My very first customer back in 2019 actually bought the unit for his JCM 900 MKIII - an amp that I hadn’t even really had much familiarity with. I’ve since come to see that a lot of people like it in that circuit as they are able to get a better balance between the knobs up front to balance between the two clipping/OD types.
Love these comparison videos. Super informative, I really liked the Mr. Scary!
Sounds insanely good. Riffs are clean af as always
That sounded alot like Jeff waters style tone! Absolutely killer man. Cheers 🍻
Jeff is a killer player!
That guitar looks amazing, love the mr scary module.
Thanks, man....I love this guitar and am very honored to have a signature model with Solar.
I have a 1980 JMP 2203 with an EVO V2 and it sounds awesome. Still, it doesn’t beat the amount of gain on tap with my Engl Fireball 100. OMG!
Great demo and tones! Love the Mr Scary mod!!!
Got the Mr.Scary in my 86” 2203. Boss SD1 in front. Its absolutely amazing. Thanks for the proper vid. Love the tones youre gettin. Also, where did you clamp the ground? I opted for the tube cover spring on the el34 pwr
Thanks, man! I clamped it on the retainer ring for the filter cap right behind V2.
This test answered a lot of questions I had on this product. For example, I have several amps, but it wouldn’t work with my DSL. Good to know.
It's about frea@K1n& time we git sum mo' Frankhouser content. Been a bit sparse around here for a minute. Don't wanna seem desperate... but come on maaaan! Sounds rad, as usual. Really interesting product. Do you think that it offers an overall JCM-improvement over simply slamming the front end with a boost? You always seem to get such a great sound doing that. The palm mutes on this video do seem more patently "metal" than your other boosted JCM 800 vids. Would be interesting to hear this in an even less gainy amp, like an old 4 input Superlead or plexi. Thanks Jason!
That is a very good question....with the amount of new awesome modern boost pedals (Duality, Aesahaetter, Savage Drive, Hexdrive being my faves), it makes getting high gain tight tones out of old Marshalls much easier. I have always kinda felt that I preferred to just solely boost because it was more simple and these new modern boosts have so much tone shaping in them. plus a ton of output, that getting what I wanted out of an 800 was no problem. I realized with this new module it actually widens the possibilities of what i can do with the boosts and it actually opens up the possibilities of what boosts will work. I usually would not boost an 800 with the CMBOD but with the MS Module it works very well. So, that's where I am at with it currently. Yes, I can still boost just with a pedal, but using the module opens up quite bit of possibility with what boost I can use and gives me more tonal options.
Damn, that sounded so tight and heavy even over the shitty UA-cam compression algorithm. I can only imagine how much better that sounds in the room. Liked and subbed. \m/ O_o \m/
Thanks, man!
hmm, i never knew about these, makes sense. love the concept
Hey Jason much love bro
Bought a killertone... Saving up for a fortin but it looks like its going to be the sigil based on my finances... I'll have to grab an evil pumpkin pedal..
I wanted to ask you.. whats your favorite key to play in?
Im enjoying alot of sabbath tuning right now ... C# standard rocks hard🦾🦾🦾🤘🤘🤘..
Much love my guy ..
Ronnie Killertone
I just looked at the models it'll work on.
It'll work on a 2203KK..
Can't wait to hear what that head will sound like.
You should be the next pantera guitarist!
They all sounded woofy.
I'm a big fan of the 12AT 7.
You always have the best guitar sound and tones always all the time!!!!! Right on.
Sounds insanely good
Try the Mr.Scary on the Mesa Badlander. It sounds killer.
yes, I can attest to that!!! cheers!!!
Sounds awesome brother
Yes sir. Killer heavy tones for sure
Só, what I understand is this can work in "any amp" which uses cathode ???
It's sounds so freaking good ❤❤❤
If it uses what’s called a cathode follower tone stack, it will be compatible. Happy to discuss or answer any questions at david@legendarytones.com. Thank you and appreciate your interest!
The Mr Scary one sounded the best to me. Its sound is more "focused" in the tonal spectrum compared to the other ones which were kind of flubby in the lows/low-mids department. Legendary Tones definitely hit it out of the proverbial park with the Mr Scary Hot Mod indeed!
It's exactly the same as the Lynch mod, just a different tube combo, I'll have to try that tube combo in mine, I got the LM when he released them back in 2021 :)
Evo Vii with my Runt 50 is sicccck!!!😊
Killertonetexas indeed 👌
Mr.scary all the way . Good to see you again
Good to be seen!
My 50 watt JCM needs only a yellow OD and my Het Set. I did mod it with a few key diode changes, a good bias and a high quality cap upgrade.
Killer gain and bottom end through a Recto cab with 3 greens and a hemp cone.
Most Excellent
I recently put a V2 in my SV20h and with a little push from my Boss SD-1 it screams. The brownest of sounds and harmonics for days!
George Lynch - living guitar God.
I had both the original Legendary and Mr Scary for my Marshall JMP 50 Watt 76 era. Both were great however I opted back to the stock amp with a slight mod and been happy since.
What mod you did it?
Great vid once again !
Sounds amazing!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻 What speakers do you have in that cab?
Killer tone 🤟🤟🤟
Never have seen this tool. Idea is cool. This tone would be very, but not for sure, good for usage on "Bring Me To Life, or drop toned tunes?"
The older i get the more that i've started to prefer the sound of a ridiculously high gain Marshall JCM800 over the traditional 5150's and dual rectifiers.
One thing i'd really love to try is sticking a Mesa Boogie 5 band graphic EQ in the FX loop. Coming from someone such as myself who much prefers the sound of my Randall RG solid state amp with an Exciter in the loop over said traditional high gain amplifiers, i've heard that since the Randall RG amplifiers were designed around hot rodded JCM800's that the face knobs on the amp pretty much work the same way as a JCM800, meaning that whenever you add treble on the amp, you're also adding upper mids, which has me curious as to how it would work in conjunction with a Mesa 5 band graphic in the loop.
That would sound tremendous I’d bet. I’ve got a reissue 2203x at home and should definitely try that with an EQ in the loop for some extra flexibility.
@@LegendaryTones i've tried it with a 6 band EQ on my Zoom MS50G stompbox multi FX unit and it worked pretty good for the frequencies that it was designed to affect. I'm still adamant on trying it with a Mesa Boogie 5 band graphic because of the specific frequencies that Mesa Boogie had designed the pedal to affect, but i'm mainly looking to try it out with an Orange Crush Pro 120 because of how much tighter those amps are with a 5 band graphic in the loop.
You might be able to achieve some Master of Puppets or And Justice For All guitar tones if you wind up using a Mesa 5 band graphic, which i'm hoping i'll be able to accomplish with my Randall RG combo going into my Orange 4x12!
This would be perfect for the Mesa Rectifier Badlander, as that thing is weak on gain and low end
works great with the badlander...it makes it a whole different animal...cheers!!!
Great demo and great riffs as usual. Keep up the great clips! The Mr. Scary was the best overall, with the Lynch Mod coming in pretty close. I was not a fan of the V2.
Well hey bro, fancy seeing you here too! Lol was looking around at one of these things for an amp I gotta get repaired
May not be designed for a Boogie Dual Re…..but it sounds KILLER
At the time this video was made the DR was not a supported amp by the manufacturer. Things changed!
You should make a recording of the tone in this video blended with the Badlander tone in your last video. I bet it’s amazing
i will wait till you do a malmsteen marching out one
really good tone
A pedal pretty much does it for me in front of my amps but this is definitely a cool option. Do you think it would be enough on its own, without a pedal? I ask because I'm going to have to rig up a new practice setup somewhere.
It just depends what you're going for...I like higher gain tight thrash tones so I use it with a pedal to further that end. If you're doing 80s metal in standard tuning or something that doesn't require super tight bass then I think you'll be fine.
Damn most incredibly crushing rhythm tone especially in the mix seriously killing it
thanks so much!
They all sound great, but Mr Scary sounds REAL KILLER.
damn good player!
thanks, man!
You just made me poorer than I was 5 minutes ago.
There are still some of these for sale, but they are limited in quantity. I got the last remaining on on Reverb that had offers open + free shipping... But the prices will probably go up when these run out.
Cool thing is.. I think this will also work in my Peavey VTM 120 that could use a little extra gain.
I do believe it will work in the VTM. Very cool that you grabbed one. Sorry to hit your bank account but It'll be worth it!
Good stuff brother 🤘💪⚡️
I wonder if you could put that into the toneking royalist. That amp is supposed to be a variety of old school marshall .
Noone has asked anything about Nirvana yet?
I just subscribed!!!
KURT KABANGGGG
Land o' lakes,wi....here !...........tnx,,,,for this REAL vid for this new toy....I've just got a early 90's Marshall 250 dfx,,,and am ingulfed in tone,for real.....this Mr scary,sounded perfect,clean,,added crunch.......tnx,,,,,...now where's my LTD ...?.......🎸🎸pat.
Sounds great
Your voice is so soothing,you should do meditation tapes mate
Hahaha I gotta give that shot
Sweet vid I just bought an 800 are you using an impulse response or are you miking up that cab you're sitting in front of for this video.
Cab is mic'd up. 57 on a Randall RC412 loaded with a V30.
@@killertone thanks boss
Killer as always
Too bad you can't get it. Oh snap! You can. Get it before you regret it. Thank you for the information
🔥🔥🔥🤘🏽
The Mr Lynch one is surely nicer in the low end but I think the old one sounds just fine when boosted. I do like the girth of it with the mr scary with the deep switch on and almost makes me want to order it, but at this point I'm too attached to my old hmv2 😁
Curious to see how the old one will do with one 12AT7 tho
Fair enough! Definitely try an AT7 and let me know what you think.
I Love this playing.Just killer!!!
I have a brown Lynch one. In my 2015 2203X, I like a 12AU7 and an older 12AX7 long plate….feels like it’s the best combination to be thick, but still roll the guitar volume down for a decent clean. I never use a drive with it (the mod)….I also like the sound of a 12AU7 and a 12AV7 for a more classic “modded 800 tone”…..I also always play it with the bass boost off…I think bass in the preamp isn’t a good idea.
🤘🏼
bass in the preamp is kiiller if you boost in front. I leave it off when not using a boost.
Awesome video, do these mods work with the Soldano slo30?
Thanks! I don't think they will work in a SLO. Can't imagine that amp needing more gain though!
Killer stuff bro!
Sounds so good 🤘🤘
I noticed your master volume on the JCM is on 2 with the preamp and bass both on 7 or so. If I did that, my converters would be far into the red. The JCM is also extremely loud with these settings. So I guess my question is, what did you use to attenuate your signal to get a more recordable level?
Properly mic'd up with a good mic preamp and proper gain staging has no effect on converters. Just like it would had it been hitting tape back in the old days. There is no issue here at all with how loud I ran the amp because I mic'd it properly.
@@killertone- How did you gain stage to avoid clipping your converters ?
Love that dokken riff thrown in there!
It's Lynch Mob but yeah had to do it!
@@killertone son of a gun your right lol been a minute since the late 80s and early 90s 🤣 sometimes the memory fades a bit for us old timers
Interesting. I had the original one with a stock 2203 and it was very farty, no edge.Even boosts and ODs really didn't improve it much. I just about gave it away. Super nice guy though. I agreed with your first opinion of it you gave some time ago.
Yours sounds much better. And yes, The Mr. Scary is pretty Killer.
I felt the same way about the first one. I actually told David my feeling and he modded it for me based on my feedback. Those mods basically became the Hot Mod 2 Evo version. That one was a big improvement but I still preferred just to boost my amps. This module is a big step forward. Actually makes the amp have a wider range of tones with or without a boost. Really digging it.
I think I would have got a lot more out of this demo if you would have given the stock amp sound vs each of these. At least it would given an approximation of the amount of clipping and saturation to a normal amp. I would have liked to hear it with either a clean boost, or a more transparent OD with a flatter EQ like a Timmy or a Blues driver for the same reason. I had Badass OD over a decade ago, and only for a few days because it didn't really have what I was looking for, but for the life of me I can't remember what it sounded like. I'm assuming it was Tube Screamer based circuit but I'm not sure.
On my own channel I have a very basic video showing some before and after with the Hot Mod V2 Evo in an 800 that’s stock. I will put the link here. Sometimes though it’s still going to be really tough to get all the nuances in a video demo between pedals or the mod - but I know we all do our best.
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@@LegendaryTones oh I'm well aware, I've building and repairing amps for 15 years. I'd go further than just the nuances that you'll miss, all you can really judge from listing to a recording is more or less the EQ curve; attack, resonance, sustain to a degree are lost.
To be honest I think trying to make buying decision based on what you hear on a UA-cam video is a fools errand, especially with videos comparing two different, but similar pickups; there's so much compression happening between the sound the instrument makes all the way to it's terminus at your computer or headphones listing to it that you'd probably get a much better idea on the tone by having someone just describe it to you.
@@timwhite5562 Yes, it’s a challenge. So many factors for sure.
What are this Red things?
This is insane => complètement fou !
Its a new version of the Hicks Fender Mender!
Mr. scary in many ways. I know it's been tested but plugging this into a tube slot of a 3 or 4 thousand dollar amp would be a little scary. Sounded great though.
I understand the concern. If it helps, know that I’ve worked extensively and directly with the folks at Marshall during development. And my co-designer Andy Marshall of THD helped quite a bit to ensure all is safe, in addition to having Mike Soldano’s (original Hot Mod maker) blessing and support of the design.
Hard to judge without hearing before/after back to back.
If you check out the LegendaryTones channel, there’s some video of the HMV2E before and after and in various settings.
I'm curious if someone could put this into a fender twin or something
fug yes!!!!
Deep tone
I have a Marshall JCM 900 SLX, you think the Mr.Scary mod would be good for it??
The only issue with the JCM 900 SLX is that it has a bridge rectifier BR3 chip inside that was under-spec’d - it often blew under load historically (without the mod) and the fix is to update it with one that has higher amp rating. IF your amp was updated, the mod would work fine in it. Many people love the mod in the JCM 900 MKIII 2100/2500 models but the SLX needs that BR3 update for the mod to work with it.
One thing I noticed here, which I think can have a very drastic effect on tone is, I noticed you're using 6550 power tubes. That being said, honestly, I'd like to hear what this same demo sounds like with EL34 or 6AC7 power tubes. I mean, weren't both 2203 and 2204 originally EL34 based anyways ?
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A couple of things here…
First, Marshalls from around ’77 to ’81 were shipped with 6550s due to a lack of a good EL34 at the time. So, this amp is stock since it is an ’81.
Second, the entire video is done with the same amp and same settings with the same tubes. The fact that this amp has 6550s shouldn’t change what you hear between models of the Hot Mod.
@@killertone- Are you saying your amp would sound the same with EL34 installed and the Hot Mod ?
@@ShadovvV Not at all. I am saying that the output tubes in the amp have little bearing in this case because all hot Mods were tested the same. So, inside of this test, there is no variance from Hot Mod to Hot Mod as far as how they were tested. They were all tested with the same settings and same tubes. The purpose of this test isn't whether 6550s or EL34s sound the same it is what the Hot Mods sound like in this particular amp. Without a doubt this demo shows the differences between the versions of the Hot Mod and whatever output tubes the amp has don’t really matter since all versions were tested the exact same way.
@@killertone- Actually, the output tubes WOULD matter TO ME because my Marshall 2204 uses EL34. ;) That's why I asked. I'm glad it sounds good for YOUR purpose though.
@@killertone- Another reason why I don't really think your demo here is effective is because you didn't show what your amp and pedal sounds like without any of the mods plugged in, which makes the demo a bit irrelevant, since there's no way to compare how it would sound without any of them installed. How are people supposed to know the different of how drastically the mod changes the amp? They can't.
Will it help a B-52 amp head?
Could I use these in a bugera 1990? If I could I feel like it would be killer. Pls let me know!! This might be what I’ve been looking for.
Send an email to david@legendarytones.com and he will let you know!
Can you use a 12at7 in the V2 or the Lynch mod?
You can mix and match, but to my ears 12AT7 in the first position is best.
Are these made by Roppoli?
Crushing 🤘 me scary for me
"String sound" at his best.
Can it work with a marshall origin 50?
I just repaired a vintage crate stealth 50..its awesome...any tubes to recommend..came with original SLM tubes,thx.
What's up?
Hello my Friend do you know i could use these mods one a 50Watt Vintage Modern?
Hmm...Send an email to david@legendarytones.com and he will know for sure.
Unboosted - All 3 modules .... for the win !!
Please. Drop the backing tracks guys. Just play.
You get both here. I think it’s cool to have in mix and without.
Do you make one that sounds like Use Your Illusion era GNR?
You could easily dial it in that way I just didn't do that for this video.
Be nice if they made one to fit jcm 800 models past 1983.
You're in luck because they totally do. You just need to make sure you get the right one. Shoot David an email at david@legendarytones.com or check this link here to see which one you need: legendarytones.com/will-my-hot-mod-v2-work-in-x-amp/#more-1455
@@killertone if you read through all of that you see that nothing is offered for any jcm 800 models past 1983, unless they have completely redesigned this product it won't fit. After 1983 Marshall changed the layout and moved 1 of the filter capacitors to directly in front of v2 not giving the hot mod and scary enough room to fit. I learned this the hard way.
@@georgejetson1923 oh I think you're talking about 2205/10 models?
@@killertone No I have a 1986 2204.
You seem like one of they guys that's forgot more about this than I will ever learn.