@@sohibconner6926 this exact word "DJENT" came from Fredrik Thordendal's interview, where he tried to explain the way their guitar sounds. They're fucking roots of djent and math metal.
The Swedes are so pioneering in metal sound. Meshugga creating the Djent sound used in so many genres like DeathCore. Bathory creating the basis for "Second Wave Black Metal". Gothenburg Death metal making the genre not more heavy and edgy, but putting in melody and making it more mainstream. Maybe even influencing MetalCore scene.
@@PMMcIntyre Bands like Venom was a few years earlier. Point is that 2ndWBM was way more bigger and relevant in the music scene. And a lot of the "sound", these bands got from bands like Bathory and Hellhammer/Celtic Frost, and not Venom. Because Venom were more like a speed metal band with a satanic theme.
When I bought this album in -92 or so, I thought: "This is just like a continuation of ...And Justice for All". But this was the 1st step of Meshuggah. I remember reading about this album in Metal Hammer, saying: "...mixture of jazz and metal...". Made me by this. And since then I haven´t missed out on any of their releases. They are a part of me...
@prometheus19799791 when skygooglenet takes over, it'll be so impressed with the polyrythmic change ups in this song, it'll make it that national anthem while it enslaves us.
Ruben Van Dooren Wrong. Time signatures were created during the renaissance as a way of noting the increasingly complex nature of music, which rendered the previous system (used during the middle ages) of only having one length note (which obviously doesn't need a time signature) and expanded during the baroque periods to what we know today. But no, pop music didn't create time signatures, they've been around way longer than we've had pop culture.
Alex Taunton You are right. Time signatures came because men felt the need to statistic everything and that was during the renaissance. In my opinion music could be analyzed, but when making music you should not take strict static signatures into account, that's what pop music created and pushes. Music, stuck to the Pro-tools, Cubase, FL-studio grid. Lifeless plastic garbage. Real music will never be super strict and static as it comes out of the studio. That's why I enjoy older recorderd music more than modern stuff. It sounds so digital and plastic these days and loses a lot of true soul music has. That was what I meant
Yeah they definitely are insane musicians. If you like boundary expanding metal do not forget to check out: Textures, Animal as Leaders, Gojira, Loch Vostok, Leprous, Dream Theater, Opeth, Persefone and Tesseract
By far Tomas Haake's most technical drumming, as a drummer I cant fathom how long it takes to be able to play time signature like this, Haake is inhuman.
I knew that Jens played rhythm guitar on this album (because this is before Marten joined), but DID YOU KNOW?????!?!?!?!!??? that good ol' Freddie sang LEAD vocals on some of these songs!?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!!!?!!!!!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!!?!?? /mind blown
Great album. Meshuggah was still deeply rooted in thrash metal, and you can hear that....but this is when they start moving into technical/complex music and jazz. However, this album is still brutal!
I've never really understood the reason to put a genre on meshuggah, or rambling around shouting out sub-genres... I just think of it as Meshuggah, pure awesomeness pumped out of my speakers and magically making my head bang and put a smile on my lips that can't be replaced by anything. Fuck all the sub genres! Meshuggah is in a class of its own!
I remember a guitar world article i read where they interviewed Martin and Fredrik who said Scott Ian and James Hetfield were their biggest inspirations for metal rhythm guitar
If pastel beige manages to be considered part of any sort of "Big Four" then no, they are NOT underrated, especially not if they manage this being, well, pastel beige.
@TomasuSA Actually it is, the only release they have without him is the self-titled EP from 1989, which is also the year that he joined (as he replaced the original drummer Niclas Lundgren)
I always thought their original album title, "All This Because of Greed" made more sense with this album cover. The two things on the album cover, the city and the atomic blast are results of greed. There is no form of contradiction on this album cover.
The Statue of Liberty representing "freedom", the nuclear blast representing death and slavery to a non-existent eternal void. That could be a contradiction.
I had this CD when it was brand new. I was 19 and living in Atlanta at the time. I was new to the area and young and naive. I was walking around with my boombox/CD player jamming out to this album when I was approached by a black kid. He asked me if I was interested in selling my boombox. He told me his brother would buy it from me so like an idiot I told him "yes" and I followed him into Techwood Drive which at the time was the hood. He took my boombox into an apartment and then came back out with nothing in return. I asked him where my boombox was and he told me "I gave it to my brother." I got mad and demanded he get it back and he pulled a black 9mm pistol on me telling me to "get lost" and then he ran back into the apartment. I sat down on a park bench about a block away and I broke out in tears. A black fellow who was sitting next to me asked me what was wrong and I told him "I just got robbed by a 9 year old at gun point." That's when I knew my life was going to suck.
Woah, that's really scary! I'm glad you didn't get hurt, at least not physically... I'm really sorry this happened to you. I hope you're doing a bit better now.
@@derekobs9688 yeah too bad Metallica can't play it anymore. Real impressive as musicians to be unable to play something you wrote 30 some odd years ago. Also the vast majority of the album is in 4/4
This came out when grunge bands made millions playing 3-chord songs. Techno DJs and rappers didn't use any melody or harmony at all and had texts like "ice ice baby" or "1 2 Polizei". And, of course, djent or math metal became a thing only 20ish years later
You can see the colossal influence Metallica had in almost every metal back in 90s. Here they sound like a progressive copy of Metallica. even Kidman sings like Hetfield. But after that album they completely made their own musical revolution. Djent and Polyrhythms for the win.
Fair enough Thrash and technical death or progressive metal are some of my favorite types of music and you got that right! Can't find music as quite mind blowing and as complex as this. Sorry I interpreted your comment the wrong way. I thought you meant without being high you won't be able to like this kind of music.
If you like the Master Of uppets interpretation than Listen to 'Outrage - Blind To Reality', some really gnarly riffing going on in that just like Contradictions Collapse
I quit smoking weed about a month ago. The comment was not advocating drug use or anything like that, it was just explaining that along with exploring alternate states of consciousness, I was also exploring alternate styles of music.
@worthykev Tell me Catch 33 was the same. You can't know what direction their next album is taking, anyway. And just because you think the overall style of sound is predictable, that doesn't mean the music in itself is boring.
Imagine the raw energy, erratic writing, and bashing drums of Meshuggah on this album, with the vocals and guitar tone of Meshuggah on Chaosphere. That would be the angriest fuckin shit ever recorded
@meshuggah6pantera people use subgenres to categorize groups because metal is so broad, how many other fans of other metal bands say "This is true metal!!" probably all of them
I don't understand why there is so many thumbs up for this comment. It's people like you that give metal heads a bad rep. This song is bad ass whether you're high or not!
quality production. I wish metal sounded like this today, instead of the squashed loud crap they churn out, metal albums today all sound the same to me.
I know this album was back in their thrashier days. But you can still tell their "different" from most metal bands
The coolest era of meshuggah. Like old metallica on steroids!
...And Justice for All + Control And Resistance = Meshuggah's first baby Contradictions Colapse
Such a mess of interesting influence, hearing the evolution to Destroy Erase Improve and Chaosphere is mindblowing.
Jordan
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James Hetfield if he sang in another language
So basically, Meshuggah was Technical Metallica before being the roots for Djent ? 😂
I love this btw
Sounds very progressive
They are not the roots of djent
@@sohibconner6926 this exact word "DJENT" came from Fredrik Thordendal's interview, where he tried to explain the way their guitar sounds. They're fucking roots of djent and math metal.
Try this one and keep in your mind: 1989. O____o
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@@chobe78 thats not djent
I didn't know James Hetfield's brother John Hetfield sang for Meshuggah
Jens Hetfield! 😄
@@Failhaid James Kidman
Jomes Hetfield
Jenes Hetmen
DEAR MOTHER DEAR FATHEEER wait nevermind
The Swedes are so pioneering in metal sound. Meshugga creating the Djent sound used in so many genres like DeathCore. Bathory creating the basis for "Second Wave Black Metal". Gothenburg Death metal making the genre not more heavy and edgy, but putting in melody and making it more mainstream. Maybe even influencing MetalCore scene.
Don't forget progressive DM with opeth and edge of sanity, whose influence can still be heard today.
Add Tribulation..
and the influence of swedes on doom metal
Bathory is also responsible for FWBM too.
@@PMMcIntyre Bands like Venom was a few years earlier. Point is that 2ndWBM was way more bigger and relevant in the music scene. And a lot of the "sound", these bands got from bands like Bathory and Hellhammer/Celtic Frost, and not Venom. Because Venom were more like a speed metal band with a satanic theme.
When I bought this album in -92 or so, I thought: "This is just like a continuation of ...And Justice for All". But this was the 1st step of Meshuggah. I remember reading about this album in Metal Hammer, saying: "...mixture of jazz and metal...". Made me by this. And since then I haven´t missed out on any of their releases. They are a part of me...
this goes soooo well with my morning coffee after a sleepless night
Gah I love that bass! It fits so nicely under everything else
@prometheus19799791 when skygooglenet takes over, it'll be so impressed with the polyrythmic change ups in this song, it'll make it that national anthem while it enslaves us.
These men are immense musicians. As one myself I find this hard to comprehend how the drummer can be switching from various time signatures, crazy.
because naturally music has no boundaries and it should all be out of any signature. That's something pop-music created
Ruben Van Dooren
Wrong. Time signatures were created during the renaissance as a way of noting the increasingly complex nature of music, which rendered the previous system (used during the middle ages) of only having one length note (which obviously doesn't need a time signature) and expanded during the baroque periods to what we know today.
But no, pop music didn't create time signatures, they've been around way longer than we've had pop culture.
Alex Taunton
You are right. Time signatures came because men felt the need to statistic everything and that was during the renaissance. In my opinion music could be analyzed, but when making music you should not take strict static signatures into account, that's what pop music created and pushes. Music, stuck to the Pro-tools, Cubase, FL-studio grid. Lifeless plastic garbage. Real music will never be super strict and static as it comes out of the studio. That's why I enjoy older recorderd music more than modern stuff. It sounds so digital and plastic these days and loses a lot of true soul music has. That was what I meant
I messed up the definition of time signature with producers grid..
Yeah they definitely are insane musicians. If you like boundary expanding metal do not forget to check out: Textures, Animal as Leaders, Gojira, Loch Vostok, Leprous, Dream Theater, Opeth, Persefone and Tesseract
Holy mind blowing bass, Batman!
Best song EVER.
Sounds a little like Metallica (And Justice for all) or it's just me?
You can hear the bass so ... no, not really
Dominik Szczepański hahaha, just meaning the composition, and the way the singer sings
It's just you.
it's a known fact they were influenced by Metallica at the beginning.
Ian Henry yeah, that's what i meant, didnt explain myself very well...
hats off to the uploader :) this album needs to be heard!!
who gives a shit if your high people? you dont need drugs to enjoy music, meshuggah is the shit
Watchtower and metallica had a baby and it is this album. Very interesting and pioneering
@PunksDeadEmoK1dsN3xt Hell, not only are your uploads killer, but your comments are intelligent as well. Way to go man!
this does sound like some overly complex thrash metal, pretty amazing how much their sound changed over the years
I'm trying to play this song on drums and it's even harder than some of their latest material. Wtf.
Metallica tried this with St anger , James is capable of playing some technical riff but Lars is too shit to drum like this.
Everybody gives Lars flak for being a shitty drummer, I'd lean toward lack of creativity rather than lack of skill.
He's still only an average drummer, he does some stuff in 3/4 but I'd love to see him get his feet around something like bleed
+Spirit Crusher There are some early Meshuggah reminiscent parts on St Cardboard Speaker though.
By far Tomas Haake's most technical drumming, as a drummer I cant fathom how long it takes to be able to play time signature like this, Haake is inhuman.
Yeah and he was only 20
Holy shit that bass tho
Where the fk has this band been all my life, getting early Metallica vibes, love it
I knew that Jens played rhythm guitar on this album (because this is before Marten joined), but DID YOU KNOW?????!?!?!?!!??? that good ol' Freddie sang LEAD vocals on some of these songs!?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!!!?!!!!!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!!?!??
/mind blown
Did you know that freddie was a drummer before Tomas and the one before him.
listening to this genius in 2020, in quarantine and in a world collapsing ... who would have thought!
Check out Martyr feeding the abcess
My favorite meshuggah album!!
one of their biggest influences in the early days was actually Metallica.
Good observation, man!
I used to despise this music, but then I started smoking pot and not giving a shit
@JimmyVDitti they are avante garde metal
Great album.
Meshuggah was still deeply rooted in thrash metal, and you can hear that....but this is when they start moving into technical/complex music and jazz.
However, this album is still brutal!
This song rocks so hard!
I've never really understood the reason to put a genre on meshuggah, or rambling around shouting out sub-genres... I just think of it as Meshuggah, pure awesomeness pumped out of my speakers and magically making my head bang and put a smile on my lips that can't be replaced by anything. Fuck all the sub genres! Meshuggah is in a class of its own!
Holy shit, this is fucking amazing. They should do another thrash album.
we're seeing contradictions collapsing right now, that's why the financial system is coming apart.
I hear some Anthrax too. Anthrax and especially Scott Ian are underrated.
I remember a guitar world article i read where they interviewed Martin and Fredrik who said Scott Ian and James Hetfield were their biggest inspirations for metal rhythm guitar
If pastel beige manages to be considered part of any sort of "Big Four" then no, they are NOT underrated, especially not if they manage this being, well, pastel beige.
The backing vocals are very Anthrax-esque.
@TomasuSA Actually it is, the only release they have without him is the self-titled EP from 1989, which is also the year that he joined (as he replaced the original drummer Niclas Lundgren)
Yes he was. He joined Meshuggah in 1990. He's the drummer in ALL of Messhuggah's releases.
If it didn't said Meshuggah on the title I could totally believe this is some lost track from the ...And Justice era of Metallica.
@RipshawKlavicus Hah! Didn't notice the jazz drumming thing before! It's pretty awesome stuff going on!
St. Anger should've sounded like this.
It sounds Identical to parasyche's james hetfield impression
I always thought their original album title, "All This Because of Greed" made more sense with this album cover. The two things on the album cover, the city and the atomic blast are results of greed. There is no form of contradiction on this album cover.
The Statue of Liberty representing "freedom", the nuclear blast representing death and slavery to a non-existent eternal void. That could be a contradiction.
watchtower is cool, but this is vicious shit. i never listened to them until this and i'm really enjoying this. great stuff
I had this CD when it was brand new. I was 19 and living in Atlanta at the time. I was new to the area and young and naive. I was walking around with my boombox/CD player jamming out to this album when I was approached by a black kid. He asked me if I was interested in selling my boombox. He told me his brother would buy it from me so like an idiot I told him "yes" and I followed him into Techwood Drive which at the time was the hood. He took my boombox into an apartment and then came back out with nothing in return. I asked him where my boombox was and he told me "I gave it to my brother." I got mad and demanded he get it back and he pulled a black 9mm pistol on me telling me to "get lost" and then he ran back into the apartment. I sat down on a park bench about a block away and I broke out in tears. A black fellow who was sitting next to me asked me what was wrong and I told him "I just got robbed by a 9 year old at gun point." That's when I knew my life was going to suck.
Woah, that's really scary! I'm glad you didn't get hurt, at least not physically... I'm really sorry this happened to you. I hope you're doing a bit better now.
Favorite Meshuggah album
most underrated song ever
Meshuggah's more simplistic stuff era=Metallica most complex stuff era
@robroy tamere atleast Lars cant lol
@robroy tamere And Justice For All wasn't complex enough for you?
@robroy tamere AJFA has more complex time signatures compared to this and is objectively an infinitely superior album lol
Yeah Metallica said they can't play anything off And Justice For All anymore. I kinda doubt they could have ever been able to play this
@@derekobs9688 yeah too bad Metallica can't play it anymore. Real impressive as musicians to be unable to play something you wrote 30 some odd years ago. Also the vast majority of the album is in 4/4
I like this side of Meshuggah :) more than the slower tempo stuff
משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע משוגע
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This came out when grunge bands made millions playing 3-chord songs.
Techno DJs and rappers didn't use any melody or harmony at all and had texts like "ice ice baby" or "1 2 Polizei".
And, of course, djent or math metal became a thing only 20ish years later
sounds like coroner's bassists is on drugs and hetfield is hittin' it!
old 'shuggah still great 'shuggah
MY Girl is from Brooklyn, so I need a picture of some New York on my page, lol!
gr8 music man..
GHOST Seekers
You can see the colossal influence Metallica had in almost every metal back in 90s. Here they sound like a progressive copy of Metallica. even Kidman sings like Hetfield. But after that album they completely made their own musical revolution. Djent and Polyrhythms for the win.
Is it true that Kidman actually played rythm guitar on this album?
Yea hes also played guitar live too
I like your username.
Buckethead is my favorite musician.
Tool is my favorite band.
4 years ago, he was "ToolBuckethead64", now "BleachPopTarts".
@@archdukebigdogkoopa3821 Looks like my comment did not age well.
It sound like thrash metal
You don't fuckin' say, now do ya?
The drums at 2:54-3:05 WTF???
i fail to see how it could be anything other than a coincidence, this album came out in 91', makes prefect sence to me
Fair enough Thrash and technical death or progressive metal are some of my favorite types of music and you got that right! Can't find music as quite mind blowing and as complex as this. Sorry I interpreted your comment the wrong way. I thought you meant without being high you won't be able to like this kind of music.
If you like the Master Of uppets interpretation than Listen to 'Outrage - Blind To Reality', some really gnarly riffing going on in that just like Contradictions Collapse
Same here. I quit smoking and I love this music even more than ever
I really dont see how this album is ahead of its time at all. Shit like this was being played all throughout the 80's.
It's like putting Metallica, Anthrax, Voivod and Death in a blender and making a smoothie out of it
@bassbreaker I just call Meshuggah Techinical Progressive Metal. Best thing to describe them.
Meshallica
I quit smoking weed about a month ago. The comment was not advocating drug use or anything like that, it was just explaining that along with exploring alternate states of consciousness, I was also exploring alternate styles of music.
oldschool meshuggah is life
progressive thrash! sounds pretty good
Holy motherfucking shit !!
@ThrashIdolatry
We're talking about Metallica because Jens sounds strangely similar to Justice/Black Album-era Hetfield.
really thrashy, love it!
They should use those gangshouts again.
It began
How come there are so many comparisons to Metallica? This sounds much more like early Sepultura to my ears.
Sheep mentality , they see metallica all over the comments and just go with it. It sounds like it's own thing.
Man that opening line really sounds like James Hetfield
@worthykev Tell me Catch 33 was the same. You can't know what direction their next album is taking, anyway. And just because you think the overall style of sound is predictable, that doesn't mean the music in itself is boring.
You will never find a genre that fulfils you, you will never be fulfilled
@RipshawKlavicus couldn't have said it any better, this guy has been sponsered by sonor drums forever man since he was a teen.
This is probably what Metallica would have sounded like if Bob Rock didn't make them make slower, easier songs.
TheAlienOverlordShow their songs are slow and easy cause they have no talent
Take a listen to the And Justice album.
Metallica can only dream of performing and playing at this level
It's like And Justice For All and Cowboys From Hell had an adorable little baby. This shit kicks ass.
Like Prince Steve said, "Meshuggah was pretty ahead of its time! :)
peaceouTy!
TAMMpON
Imagine the raw energy, erratic writing, and bashing drums of Meshuggah on this album, with the vocals and guitar tone of Meshuggah on Chaosphere. That would be the angriest fuckin shit ever recorded
The only album by Meshuggah I like. The weird complex sh1t they did after None left me bewildered.
@LOGonover i just hope that when google becomes self aware in 2014 that it'll let us listen to this.
If Metallica didnt make the Black Album.
@meshuggah6pantera people use subgenres to categorize groups because metal is so broad, how many other fans of other metal bands say "This is true metal!!" probably all of them
2:29 blew my mind
I don't understand why there is so many thumbs up for this comment. It's people like you that give metal heads a bad rep. This song is bad ass whether you're high or not!
Meshuggah isn't boring, it's just difficult to get. Besides, Bloodshot Dawn is a band I guess you would like
@LOGonover very very well said my friend.
I didn't listen metal music but Meshuggah hit me !!!
Technicallica
fukin beutiful man. a sick riff in there
Also if you want to hear really good riffs and amazing bass and guitar playing listen to blotted science. They only have one album but it is amazing.
If you need drugs to appreciate this music, you're doing somethin wrong.
Or something right. Its not needed but it enhances the experience.
quality production. I wish metal sounded like this today, instead of the squashed loud crap they churn out, metal albums today all sound the same to me.
For a second there, I thought the album cover was the loading screen for Red Alert 2 until I realized there were no Kirov airships around.
Shit was so sick. Listened to it twice.