I dont think board games are in the clear with the tariffs. Last time, the tariffs were primarily on steel and aluminum, which didn't really affect board games. This time, however, Trump wants to do a universal tariffs on all foreign goods, and an additional tariff on top of that for goods specifically from China. Who knows if he'll follow through, but we should be concerned.
Exactly. The idea is to move that manufacturing to the US, which I'm in favor of, but it also then makes the industry untenable for most buyers and makers, which I don't want ... Either way we lose
There's a really good video by "ClearValue Tax" channel breaking down tariffs and the expectations around them. They seem to think, much like how Trump changed his mind on currency (he was anti-crypto/pro-dollar and now wants the US to become the crypto-capital of the world) that he is not going to implement a universal tariff but will continue to do targeted goods.
I believe the argument for "AI art is theft" is that generative AI uses other people's work. A generative AI model that's been exclusively trained on your own art is probably not feasible since you'd need to create astronomical quantities of art first for it to actually learn anything meaninful from it (unless it had e.g. been pre-trained on other people's art). So saying that generative AI art is theft is true in the vast majority of situations.
Let's say harsh tariffs are added affecting board games. The Kickstarters that use pledge managers to collect shipping charges can increase them to cover the costs, so backers could get a nasty surprise. That might help the publishers of Kickstarted games with recent or future campaigns, but all the kickstarters that have already opened or even closed their pledge managers will be in trouble. If the tariffs are based on the cost of goods (i.e. manufacturing costs) it won't be nearly the problem as if they are based on the "retail" prices.
The way AI is trained could, theoretically, be done in a way that doesn't involve theft of copyrighted art. Currently it isn't. The artists involved should've been offered the opportunity to licence their art for the purpose of allowing an AI service to make money from it, and they should've been compensated for it. They weren't. Using copyrighted material for profit without compensating the creator is considered theft. Very simple.
Wow, a boardgame win, excitement! :D (Not sure how I missed the other video...will have to go back and check!) I've emailed you, hopefully I got that address correctly!
I missed you coming back to your oneb trip. Did you day more about it? Are you posting somethign about vestige this week? Im very interested in your thoughts on the game! Thanks for getting this video out even if it is a day late. It is one of my favotite videos of the week.
Predicting irrational behavior is really difficult, but if the blanket tariffs are imposed and all industries take major whack, perhaps this might slow the Asmodee consolidation binge? (Yeah, admittedly not quite a silver lining).
If the tariffs do hit board games, which I feel is pretty possible, will that possibly have some creators look at printing their games in the states themselves? I am of course just talking about US based creators. I'm just asking, because I don't really keep up with the business side of our hobby. I'm sure most got to China because the labor and manufacturing are cheaper, but with tariffs, would that still be the case?
I know this is not a board game question but... Your hoodie, where did you get it, what is it? Also, I always dig your content, reviews, and your honesty.
I think AI art is fine as temporary placeholder/ mood boarding, but it just lacks that consistency and soulful touch from human artists. It’s one of those things that might look better on the surface but just feels like it lacks something. There’s an interesting Broadway play called McNeal that explores this theme with an author who wins a Nobel prize from a book he “wrote” using AI prompts. No spoilers for anyone interested in seeing it, but it pretty much reflects my sentiment on AI-created art in any medium
This, exactly. The lesson here is to recognize that any situation that might involve controversy is going to result in people who live to be outraged being outraged. No title is going to stop it, no words are going to change it. Alex would do well to simply mute the offenders' abilities to comment on his videos and move on, rather than trying to placate those whom he cannot please.
I find your take on AI art interesting. We agree on most things aside from labelling ii as theft. Its funny how you think some talking points prove your point while I think the same ones as proving my point 😅
@@BoardGameCo I think the problem may have been, as simple as, people who are going to respond emotionally aren't going to make it past the part of the statement they disagree with to read the part they agree with. I have an overly politically focused friend that there was a certain statement about a certain topic I used to make that he never heard the second part of (which pointed out why he might be right) because as soon as he heard the first part his brain went into lock-down mode and the second part just never registered. So if you'd said "I do not think AI art is okay... but I don't think it's theft' certain people might have actually responded differently. :)
Yeah, I said about a year ago that they were going out of business. Then, I got a glimmer of hope that I was wrong.... Now, I'm not so sure again. Maybe Asmodee will buy them too.
Tariffs exist elsewhere and you can look it up to see the impact of it. Here in Canada, when a game we have a tariff from what comes from the US. So some campaign that don't know what they are doing made me pay that border cross but most of the time it is paid by the seller and included in the shipping price. Some company like CMON ship directly to Canada because they know it cost a lot to pass the border if they ship from the US. You can ask content creator from Canada how much it cost them more on shipping to get a idea of the impact of tariff.
I think you’re right about the “is AI theft?” issue. It’s like the whole “is homosexuality a choice?” debate. It’s besides the point. Homosexuals should have rights whether it’s a choice or not. And the issues of AI run much deeper than whether or not it’s theft.
“Arguments to call it theft usually shift the goalpost from anyone’s actual concern … changes the actual conversation anyone wants to have”. Massive agree. This is the reason for the reaction to your first video. You repeatedly state the you are largely opposed to AI art, and then in the same breath defend it with “but ☝️ its not theft”. I fail to see what youre trying to gain by reasserting this. There are dozens of reasons to not use AI art, most of which are way more important than “i consider it to be theft”.
The problem is the most common reaction I see to it is people saying it's theft...the whole point of my video (which again, I may have messed up on) was to say "not theft, but still a problem"...but the focus became exclusively the first part of that.
@@joeferreti9442sorry, the ones who bury their heads in the sand will simply be outperformed in the market. Generative told aren't perfect and don't replace people, but the ones who don't learn to use them will find their utility in the marketplace (and thus their pay, opportunities, etc) vastly diminished.
Tarrifs are a very intresting thing to consider for the betterment of the country. We already have tarrifson many things. many countries use them. Even the USA did not have income tax until 1862 to help pay for the civil war. There's not a direct guarantee how they would be collected. By the buyer vs seller vs country being imported from. Tarries could fix issues with social security drying up. Could go many directions
Can we stop with the fear mongering? The idea behind the tariffs was so that federal income tax would be eliminated. So on that level, in theory, if your board game costs twice as much, your paycheck is also twice as large. Moreover, what gives people the idea that tariffs would be a flat rate from one good to the next...? Products that u.s. Company's can compete with, obviously, will have higher tariffs so that American companies can compete with the current lower costing foreign products so as to promote growth of u.s. Companies. Goods U.S. Companies cannot compete with, because they're non-existent, would have lower tariffs.
@4ngelwing wow. Where did I say tarrifs will double your paycheck...? can't see through the red right now can you? I used words like "theoretically" and "federal income tax would be eliminated" - which accounts for approximately half of the tax taken out of your paycheck. So if it is eliminated... -obviously, have to walk you through this- that would mean it would nearly double your paycheck. Liberalism is a cancer. Go back to clown school. 🤡 Maybe they'll teach you some economics. Or at the very least, reading comprehension. I'll be over here holding my breath.
Your take on AI art is one of the most moronic ones I've ever heard... It has its pros and cons, but it's basically theft. You cannot describe it in any other way. You just accept it like you buy your iPhone from sweat shop Apple. That's just were you throw your morals over board. Just be honest about it.
Do you have a disagreement that actually addresses the points made? Going for the insulting approach without actually addressing the points, is just the equivalent of "yelling louder doesn't make you righter"
@@BoardGameCo You say that "you think that it is not theft, but it is not okay either". Legally it probably isn't theft and that legal argument is not settled as well. You also mentioned that you had a hard time finding a way to make it the right amount of click-baity and saying the controversial statement first. This is maybe the fifth video I watched from you, and you - in my opinion - do a bad job finding that level of clickbait that draws people in without upsetting them before they watch. I can relate to this; I like to argue the same way because it opens up the conversation. That risks putting some people off right away but all together it's a trade I would gladly make most of the times. So, it put me off, I commented. I am sorry for the insult. But ^^ it led to exactly what would be the point of this kind of argument: I engage in a very open conversation, take back my first comment and we could elaborate on the issue from here.
I dont think board games are in the clear with the tariffs. Last time, the tariffs were primarily on steel and aluminum, which didn't really affect board games. This time, however, Trump wants to do a universal tariffs on all foreign goods, and an additional tariff on top of that for goods specifically from China. Who knows if he'll follow through, but we should be concerned.
I agree that it impacts creators more than consumers.
@@tawink If costs increase for creators, they will pass that on to consumers or go out of business. It's pretty simple.
Exactly. The idea is to move that manufacturing to the US, which I'm in favor of, but it also then makes the industry untenable for most buyers and makers, which I don't want ... Either way we lose
There's a really good video by "ClearValue Tax" channel breaking down tariffs and the expectations around them. They seem to think, much like how Trump changed his mind on currency (he was anti-crypto/pro-dollar and now wants the US to become the crypto-capital of the world) that he is not going to implement a universal tariff but will continue to do targeted goods.
Sounds like Tariffs are happening, so good luck America I guess
I believe the argument for "AI art is theft" is that generative AI uses other people's work. A generative AI model that's been exclusively trained on your own art is probably not feasible since you'd need to create astronomical quantities of art first for it to actually learn anything meaninful from it (unless it had e.g. been pre-trained on other people's art). So saying that generative AI art is theft is true in the vast majority of situations.
Let's say harsh tariffs are added affecting board games. The Kickstarters that use pledge managers to collect shipping charges can increase them to cover the costs, so backers could get a nasty surprise. That might help the publishers of Kickstarted games with recent or future campaigns, but all the kickstarters that have already opened or even closed their pledge managers will be in trouble. If the tariffs are based on the cost of goods (i.e. manufacturing costs) it won't be nearly the problem as if they are based on the "retail" prices.
When you doing poncho reviews?
The way AI is trained could, theoretically, be done in a way that doesn't involve theft of copyrighted art. Currently it isn't. The artists involved should've been offered the opportunity to licence their art for the purpose of allowing an AI service to make money from it, and they should've been compensated for it. They weren't. Using copyrighted material for profit without compensating the creator is considered theft. Very simple.
Wow, a boardgame win, excitement! :D (Not sure how I missed the other video...will have to go back and check!)
I've emailed you, hopefully I got that address correctly!
Catharsis is one of the best solo adventure games there is. There is currently a new Catharsis Gamefound campaign.
I missed you coming back to your oneb trip. Did you day more about it? Are you posting somethign about vestige this week? Im very interested in your thoughts on the game! Thanks for getting this video out even if it is a day late. It is one of my favotite videos of the week.
Predicting irrational behavior is really difficult, but if the blanket tariffs are imposed and all industries take major whack, perhaps this might slow the Asmodee consolidation binge? (Yeah, admittedly not quite a silver lining).
i am really curious about Nova Era! hope to hear more about the game
If the tariffs do hit board games, which I feel is pretty possible, will that possibly have some creators look at printing their games in the states themselves? I am of course just talking about US based creators. I'm just asking, because I don't really keep up with the business side of our hobby. I'm sure most got to China because the labor and manufacturing are cheaper, but with tariffs, would that still be the case?
Dragons Down so fun though. It's AI art I know but dang the game is fun and I have no regrets buying/playing it.
I know this is not a board game question but... Your hoodie, where did you get it, what is it? Also, I always dig your content, reviews, and your honesty.
It's a poncho.
I think AI art is fine as temporary placeholder/ mood boarding, but it just lacks that consistency and soulful touch from human artists. It’s one of those things that might look better on the surface but just feels like it lacks something. There’s an interesting Broadway play called McNeal that explores this theme with an author who wins a Nobel prize from a book he “wrote” using AI prompts. No spoilers for anyone interested in seeing it, but it pretty much reflects my sentiment on AI-created art in any medium
What’s your thoughts on Insania?
What if its AI generated ideas like the one with fighting outcomes is, decided by voting?
Not sure I understand the question?
Strong disagree. You aren't at fault for people who react with emotion not intellectual fact. This is a problem overall with discourse today.
This, exactly. The lesson here is to recognize that any situation that might involve controversy is going to result in people who live to be outraged being outraged. No title is going to stop it, no words are going to change it. Alex would do well to simply mute the offenders' abilities to comment on his videos and move on, rather than trying to placate those whom he cannot please.
I find your take on AI art interesting. We agree on most things aside from labelling ii as theft. Its funny how you think some talking points prove your point while I think the same ones as proving my point 😅
Lol the downside of a converstation through videos and comments :)
13:33 That might have been I better title!
😂😂😂 - moment of enlightenment 😄
It was a well thought out video and you presented all the sides well.
Lol my goal would be to avoid a boring title but also avoid clickbait....always a tricky game :)
@@BoardGameCo I think the problem may have been, as simple as, people who are going to respond emotionally aren't going to make it past the part of the statement they disagree with to read the part they agree with. I have an overly politically focused friend that there was a certain statement about a certain topic I used to make that he never heard the second part of (which pointed out why he might be right) because as soon as he heard the first part his brain went into lock-down mode and the second part just never registered.
So if you'd said "I do not think AI art is okay... but I don't think it's theft' certain people might have actually responded differently. :)
Hi Alex, do you have any news around Elf Creek Games thanks?
Yeah, I said about a year ago that they were going out of business. Then, I got a glimmer of hope that I was wrong....
Now, I'm not so sure again. Maybe Asmodee will buy them too.
Tariffs exist elsewhere and you can look it up to see the impact of it. Here in Canada, when a game we have a tariff from what comes from the US. So some campaign that don't know what they are doing made me pay that border cross but most of the time it is paid by the seller and included in the shipping price. Some company like CMON ship directly to Canada because they know it cost a lot to pass the border if they ship from the US. You can ask content creator from Canada how much it cost them more on shipping to get a idea of the impact of tariff.
I think you’re right about the “is AI theft?” issue. It’s like the whole “is homosexuality a choice?” debate. It’s besides the point. Homosexuals should have rights whether it’s a choice or not. And the issues of AI run much deeper than whether or not it’s theft.
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My boi trump has our back don’t worry
6:11 I need to point out, that I am unaware of ANY tarrifs happening the last time - but they are PROMISED this time, so that makes a difference.
He put tariffs on steel and aluminum last time around and the prices of appliances like washers went up.
There were also tariffs on computer parts that everyone who has a hobby in PC gaming felt and talked about ad nauseum
“Arguments to call it theft usually shift the goalpost from anyone’s actual concern … changes the actual conversation anyone wants to have”. Massive agree. This is the reason for the reaction to your first video. You repeatedly state the you are largely opposed to AI art, and then in the same breath defend it with “but ☝️ its not theft”. I fail to see what youre trying to gain by reasserting this. There are dozens of reasons to not use AI art, most of which are way more important than “i consider it to be theft”.
The problem is the most common reaction I see to it is people saying it's theft...the whole point of my video (which again, I may have messed up on) was to say "not theft, but still a problem"...but the focus became exclusively the first part of that.
Ai art is just another tool. It's not going away. Other countries will use it more and more. We must adapt.
Just no.
@@joeferreti9442 you still read news papers? Ever take a picture with a camera? Next time hand draw that picture.
@@joeferreti9442sorry, the ones who bury their heads in the sand will simply be outperformed in the market. Generative told aren't perfect and don't replace people, but the ones who don't learn to use them will find their utility in the marketplace (and thus their pay, opportunities, etc) vastly diminished.
Tarrifs are a very intresting thing to consider for the betterment of the country. We already have tarrifson many things. many countries use them. Even the USA did not have income tax until 1862 to help pay for the civil war. There's not a direct guarantee how they would be collected. By the buyer vs seller vs country being imported from. Tarries could fix issues with social security drying up. Could go many directions
Can we stop with the fear mongering? The idea behind the tariffs was so that federal income tax would be eliminated. So on that level, in theory, if your board game costs twice as much, your paycheck is also twice as large.
Moreover, what gives people the idea that tariffs would be a flat rate from one good to the next...? Products that u.s. Company's can compete with, obviously, will have higher tariffs so that American companies can compete with the current lower costing foreign products so as to promote growth of u.s. Companies. Goods U.S. Companies cannot compete with, because they're non-existent, would have lower tariffs.
Tarrifs will double your paycheck? 😂😂😂 Cool story bro. Who gave people that idea? Trump said he'll do it. Repeatedly. 😅
@4ngelwing
wow. Where did I say tarrifs will double your paycheck...?
can't see through the red right now can you? I used words like "theoretically" and "federal income tax would be eliminated"
- which accounts for approximately half of the tax taken out of your paycheck. So if it is eliminated...
-obviously, have to walk you through this-
that would mean it would nearly double your paycheck.
Liberalism is a cancer.
Go back to clown school. 🤡
Maybe they'll teach you some economics. Or at the very least, reading comprehension.
I'll be over here holding my breath.
I agree that the fear mongering needs to stop. Everything else you said is unfounded speculation, fantasy, and hogwash.
Taxfree tips and overtime will help towards it. Imagine taxfree income as well. 😂
@@Arch002 that's just one aspect. At least one person gets it.
Your take on AI art is one of the most moronic ones I've ever heard...
It has its pros and cons, but it's basically theft. You cannot describe it in any other way. You just accept it like you buy your iPhone from sweat shop Apple. That's just were you throw your morals over board. Just be honest about it.
Do you have a disagreement that actually addresses the points made? Going for the insulting approach without actually addressing the points, is just the equivalent of "yelling louder doesn't make you righter"
@@BoardGameCo You say that "you think that it is not theft, but it is not okay either". Legally it probably isn't theft and that legal argument is not settled as well. You also mentioned that you had a hard time finding a way to make it the right amount of click-baity and saying the controversial statement first.
This is maybe the fifth video I watched from you, and you - in my opinion - do a bad job finding that level of clickbait that draws people in without upsetting them before they watch.
I can relate to this; I like to argue the same way because it opens up the conversation. That risks putting some people off right away but all together it's a trade I would gladly make most of the times.
So, it put me off, I commented. I am sorry for the insult. But ^^ it led to exactly what would be the point of this kind of argument: I engage in a very open conversation, take back my first comment and we could elaborate on the issue from here.