I watch this every time I pull a Shovelhead apart. You actually show every aspect of how it's done correct. You are a great teacher as well as mechanic. More of a professor of all the good stuff. You can tell your dad was a master as well. Thank you for all your videos. You will leave a great tread mark on this earth sharing your knowledge. Thanks KT! If you get a chance throw a vid of the rear juice drum. There's nothing anywhere. I know it's super simple but there's nothing on the interweb.
@@TatroMachine I will search again. Seen the mechanical stuff. I guess it’s basic bleed 101. Thanks for all your videos. Keeping it alive. Keep on trucking bro.
Very true. I have been following and watching him for years. I have learned so much. I love old Harley’s and unfortunately my dad passed away when I was 13 so I haven’t had anyone to show me the things I’m interested in. Tatro vids assisted me into completely rebuilding his 77 shovelhead. Rebuilding the transmission was the hardest but tatro has a really good video on how to line those dogs up. Buying the specific specialty tools is tremendously cheaper than having someone do them. I even bought a lathe about 15 years ago and it’s been a godsend on building and repairing old bikes. I’m getting ready to swap out the primary is why I’m back on this video. 99% sure I remember it all but it’s extremely nice to have this free available content to freshen my memory
I have a shovelhead now and I'm watching most of your shovelhead videos where you work on these type of motors.. in 7 years I don't think you've changed.. Thank you for all the information
This video has been a great help! Currently reassembling the primary/starter/clutch in my ‘72 FX. My only question is that when the starter jack shaft is installed what keeps the shaft in place once the starter solenoid engages it? Mine seems to come out of place unless I hold it. Pulley and forks move and engage just fine. Thanks Tatro!
Did you put grease on the hub between the hub bearings and the hub itself because they looked completely dry? ...(I am concerned because I think I over greased mine last time I put it together and I'm getting ready to put the clutch together again).
with a chain drive you don't need much because the oil will do its job just after you start the motor. on a belt drive you need to grease it up real good. tatro
i always put my plates in first, then adjust chain... i usually go one notch looser, because when it heats up, it will tighten...and may offset the basket when you release the clutches...other than the Friday night Prom date,...looser is better..
Thanks for making these video. I wish I would have found this a month ago when I was replacing my clutch hub. I didn't locktite the key or shaft. I've also seen you use red loctite on the threads in another video but not this one. I didn't use it but used the lock tab. Should I pull it back apart?
Why do these arseholes even talk smack to you. If you have ever owned / worked on / ride hard a shovel. Pan . Knuck & I emphasize worked on Tatro knows what he’s doing. Good & Tight is always Right. Very few torque specs for these old bikes. Read the original repair manuals. I know how hard this stuff is & what it takes to keep them going & Tatro is one hell of a mechanic. Shovel heads forever. Thank you Sir..
What size nut and pitch is the motor shaft ? I wanted to run a dye over the threads to clean them up. Running belt drive and can’t find in parts book anything that tells me what size it is.
come on, can't you do anything simple. take a tape measure and measure the diameter of the shaft. thin for the hard one. put the tape measure over the threads and count how many threads per inch you have. tatro
you just need to use your brain and think. not everything is complected if you break it down to simple task. this was a very easy task that you can do yourself. that is what learning is all about. tatro
Hi, big fan by the by.. Quick question could you tell me the different colour springs significance? I've got an old clutch basket for my 80" 1340 and it had blue springs?! Many thanks
that would be .010 or ten thousandths of an inch verses you 1/32" which is just over .032 thousandths. a house is alot bigger then a bike so the numbers are different. tatro
my 79 shovel makes clunking noises and jerks forward when I let the clutch out and it sounds nasty I adjusted it to the Harley manual and it still makes the jerking and clunking, any idea what it could be I don't ride it because I feel like it's gonna break something and wanna get it fixed and back on the road..
I just replaced a 3 finger spool with a 5, when steel fingers get worn badly the surging can't be ajusted out. You mention it when installing friction plates "no binding" simple but alluded me for years. I have 73 flh bought in 88. You never did show the final clutch cable ajustment, my through rod over to the kicker seems to be portruding to much and was hoping to avoid pulling kick cover off, it won't pull out so clip and sm bearing must be still attached. I learn from all your vids and appreciate the info, bet your retired Air Force ?
I just wanna make sure and know your opinion, i got FLH 1972 the owner manual says pressure plate 31/32in (1966-1967) or 1 1/32in (1968-on) you used 31/32in in your video what do you think? One more thing i messed up whit push rod clutch and adjusting screw push rod they wore off what did i do wrong thank a lot
those are the minimum dimensions for the springs. back them off some to make things easier to work. sounds like the throw-out bearing is not working very well. tatro
I had a mere 23,000 miles on my 80" Evo and when I installed the Ultima 113" it totally ate up my existing primary chain rendering it junk (after 300 miles), I guess that's normal. I have upgraded everything else to include compensator eliminator from Evolution Industries and their clutch basket. I also got rid of the Junk Kevlar belt and swapped it out with a woven carbon fiber belt. I guess a good fully synthetic oil would be best for the primary case? luckily I found a NOS Diamond primary chain for a replacement. Does anyone make a "Heavy duty Primary chain"?
i have not seen problems with primary chains with big motors. i only use the diamond square link plate chains or the oem harley ones. make sure that you have atleast 3/8" to 1/2" chain slack. also make sure that your sprockets are aligned. any offset in your sprockets will kill the primary chain. i use the 85w maxima primary oil but atf will work to. tribodyn 75w90ls oil will work to but you have to be carful with synthetic oils. they do not always play friendly with the clutch plates. tatro
Hello Tatro, i have a question about startermotor axle sprocket on my shovelhead 1978 fxe , with primary chain outer and inner cover , how much shall sprocket teeth overlap clutch sprocket teeth in start moment , my startsprocket seems not overlap cluth sprocket with perhaps 1/2 teeth Regards /Janne
Sorry, I was just wondering if one could ride without a compensator and what you gain without one. Maintaining the same Lowrider for 35 years and like to learn from your videos.
@@carlproia5477 I forgot to put the lock washer on the main chain adjuster bolt one time and it cracked the back of the primary. anyone reading this beware, there is not enough clearence back there to put it on without the lock washer on that bolt. Don't make that mistake.
I watch this every time I pull a Shovelhead apart. You actually show every aspect of how it's done correct. You are a great teacher as well as mechanic. More of a professor of all the good stuff. You can tell your dad was a master as well. Thank you for all your videos. You will leave a great tread mark on this earth sharing your knowledge. Thanks KT! If you get a chance throw a vid of the rear juice drum. There's nothing anywhere. I know it's super simple but there's nothing on the interweb.
go watch some of my panhead bike videos. with over 6000 videos, i have shown most things at least once already.
tatro
@@TatroMachine I will search again. Seen the mechanical stuff. I guess it’s basic bleed 101. Thanks for all your videos. Keeping it alive. Keep on trucking bro.
Very true. I have been following and watching him for years. I have learned so much. I love old Harley’s and unfortunately my dad passed away when I was 13 so I haven’t had anyone to show me the things I’m interested in. Tatro vids assisted me into completely rebuilding his 77 shovelhead. Rebuilding the transmission was the hardest but tatro has a really good video on how to line those dogs up. Buying the specific specialty tools is tremendously cheaper than having someone do them. I even bought a lathe about 15 years ago and it’s been a godsend on building and repairing old bikes. I’m getting ready to swap out the primary is why I’m back on this video. 99% sure I remember it all but it’s extremely nice to have this free available content to freshen my memory
I have a shovelhead now and I'm watching most of your shovelhead videos where you work on these type of motors.. in 7 years I don't think you've changed..
Thank you for all the information
i wouldn't say that. i have gotton more picky on my work. i like making things the best i can.
tatro
@@TatroMachine 🙂👍
Great Job just found your channel...Not easy to find a person with knowledge and patience to work on a Shovel...Thank You...Santa Cruz California
Thank you Tatro I’ve got what I needed that 80 thousand washer placement. Your the man.
Such a great teacher thanks man
This video has been a great help! Currently reassembling the primary/starter/clutch in my ‘72 FX. My only question is that when the starter jack shaft is installed what keeps the shaft in place once the starter solenoid engages it? Mine seems to come out of place unless I hold it. Pulley and forks move and engage just fine. Thanks Tatro!
thanks for making videos they're very helpful
thanks for your time to help viewer's like me work on my harley
I know it is kind of off topic but does anyone know a good website to watch newly released movies online ?
@Benicio Raylan i watch on Flixzone. Just google for it =)
@Maddox Dustin yea, been using flixzone for years myself :)
@Maddox Dustin Thank you, signed up and it seems like a nice service =) I appreciate it!
@Benicio Raylan Happy to help =)
Very helpful and well taught!
Great job i love you video very helpfull 🇩🇰💪
Is that fine with no compensator for front gear?
I put a solid in mine years ago without issue
Why would the taper be off between the main shaft and the clutch hub?
its a harley, everything can be off.
tatro
Did you put grease on the hub between the hub bearings and the hub itself because they looked completely dry? ...(I am concerned because I think I over greased mine last time I put it together and I'm getting ready to put the clutch together again).
with a chain drive you don't need much because the oil will do its job just after you start the motor. on a belt drive you need to grease it up real good.
tatro
No b.s. straight wrenchen. And no fuckin music.
i always put my plates in first, then adjust chain... i usually go one notch looser, because when it heats up, it will tighten...and may offset the basket when you release the clutches...other than the Friday night Prom date,...looser is better..
Brilliant , thanks : )
Thanks for making these video. I wish I would have found this a month ago when I was replacing my clutch hub. I didn't locktite the key or shaft. I've also seen you use red loctite on the threads in another video but not this one. I didn't use it but used the lock tab. Should I pull it back apart?
Which green loctite are you using on the clutch hub ?
sleeve retainer on the taper and red on the threads.
tatro
Why do these arseholes even talk smack to you. If you have ever owned / worked on / ride hard a shovel. Pan . Knuck & I emphasize worked on Tatro knows what he’s doing. Good & Tight is always Right. Very few torque specs for these old bikes. Read the original repair manuals. I know how hard this stuff is & what it takes to keep them going & Tatro is one hell of a mechanic. Shovel heads forever. Thank you Sir..
you are correct on that.
tatro
what caused the big chunk out of the back of the clutch hub mate?
usually because it spun on the shaft or you had the key in the wrong spot.
tatro
What size nut and pitch is the motor shaft ? I wanted to run a dye over the threads to clean them up. Running belt drive and can’t find in parts book anything that tells me what size it is.
come on, can't you do anything simple. take a tape measure and measure the diameter of the shaft. thin for the hard one. put the tape measure over the threads and count how many threads per inch you have.
tatro
Tatro Machine, sorry to bother you
you just need to use your brain and think. not everything is complected if you break it down to simple task. this was a very easy task that you can do yourself. that is what learning is all about.
tatro
Hi, big fan by the by.. Quick question could you tell me the different colour springs significance? I've got an old clutch basket for my 80" 1340 and it had blue springs?! Many thanks
thank you
I couldn't believe that ruler. That 1/32" looked like a mile. What do I know? I'm just a carpenter.
that would be .010 or ten thousandths of an inch verses you 1/32" which is just over .032 thousandths. a house is alot bigger then a bike so the numbers are different.
tatro
my 79 shovel makes clunking noises and jerks forward when I let the clutch out and it sounds nasty I adjusted it to the Harley manual and it still makes the jerking and clunking, any idea what it could be I don't ride it because I feel like it's gonna break something and wanna get it fixed and back on the road..
time for some new plates.
tatro
I just replaced a 3 finger spool with a 5, when steel fingers get worn badly the surging can't be ajusted out.
You mention it when installing friction plates "no binding" simple but alluded me for years. I have 73 flh bought in 88. You never did show the final clutch cable ajustment, my through rod over to the kicker seems to be portruding to much and was hoping to avoid pulling kick cover off, it won't pull out so clip and sm bearing must be still attached. I learn from all your vids and appreciate the info, bet your retired Air Force ?
I just wanna make sure and know your opinion, i got FLH 1972 the owner manual says pressure plate 31/32in (1966-1967) or 1 1/32in (1968-on) you used 31/32in in your video what do you think? One more thing i messed up whit push rod clutch and adjusting screw push rod they wore off what did i do wrong thank a lot
those are the minimum dimensions for the springs. back them off some to make things easier to work. sounds like the throw-out bearing is not working very well.
tatro
I had a mere 23,000 miles on my 80" Evo and when I installed the Ultima 113" it totally ate up my existing primary chain rendering it junk (after 300 miles), I guess that's normal.
I have upgraded everything else to include compensator eliminator from Evolution Industries and their clutch basket. I also got rid of the Junk Kevlar belt and swapped it out with a woven carbon fiber belt. I guess a good fully synthetic oil would be best for the primary case? luckily I found a NOS Diamond primary chain for a replacement. Does anyone make a "Heavy duty Primary chain"?
i have not seen problems with primary chains with big motors. i only use the diamond square link plate chains or the oem harley ones. make sure that you have atleast 3/8" to 1/2" chain slack. also make sure that your sprockets are aligned. any offset in your sprockets will kill the primary chain. i use the 85w maxima primary oil but atf will work to. tribodyn 75w90ls oil will work to but you have to be carful with synthetic oils. they do not always play friendly with the clutch plates.
tatro
@Tatro Machine thanks Keenan, I'll double check my alignment once I install my new Evolution Industries clutch basket.
thanks
Very informative. Thanks. Is evo same
Hello Tatro, i have a question about startermotor axle sprocket on my shovelhead 1978 fxe , with primary chain outer and inner cover , how much shall sprocket teeth overlap clutch sprocket teeth in start moment , my startsprocket seems not overlap cluth sprocket with perhaps 1/2 teeth
Regards
/Janne
that is how harley made them. you could cut the starter adapter or primary boss to get more engagement.
tatro
Wouldn,t be a compensator be better?
if you ride like an old fart but not for me.
tatro
Sorry, I was just wondering if one could ride without a compensator and what you gain without one. Maintaining the same Lowrider for 35 years and like to learn from your videos.
with an open Primary which is foolish. How many pairs of pants have you ruined.
a 98ci huh. Are you sure?
I see no reason to take off those two bolts on the bottom of the chain adjuster.
It was missing the lock tab
@@carlproia5477 I forgot to put the lock washer on the main chain adjuster bolt one time and it cracked the back of the primary. anyone reading this beware, there is not enough clearence back there to put it on without the lock washer on that bolt. Don't make that mistake.
Thanks !
Do you even own a torque wrench
yes and i know how to use it. i also know how to tighten things without one.
tatro
@@TatroMachine no one is that good, I have more experience than you .
In doing it right and not sloppy
thats fine but my sloppy ass bikes get the speed records so i will go my way.
tatro
Well said Tatro!! Love your videos.
show use your cleaning rig some time
what cleaning rig?
tatro
Buy an Indian next time
Shit is loose, get the loctite 90000001. Cmon do it right