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Bad Weather? No Problem! F35B VSTOL CASE 3 | Real NATOPS Procedure (MSFS)
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
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"I read the NATOPS manual and practiced hard in the F35B (MSFS). I had to work around a few things like no deviation bar and a lack of Tacan enabled on the ship but the approach is authentic and follows real world procedures. Of course, if anyone spots an error please let me know!"
Featuring Indiafoxtecho's F-35B, Miltech's ARG Carrier and SoFly Weather Preset Pro for Microsoft Flight Sim. NATOPS manuals can be found through a simple online search (search VSTOL NATOPS).
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📚 CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro & Marshal Point
03:00 F35B Turning onto Arc
04:30 F35B "Gate" Turning onto Tacan final
07:45 F35B "Final Approach Fix"
09:30 F35B "Calling the 'Ball'"
10:25 F35B "Hover Stop"
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There's definitely a high pucker-factor in flying carrier approaches in bad weather. I can't imagine trying to do it with a non VSTOL and having to crash into the deck at high speed. Beautifully done.
It’s a lot easier in the F35 where you set STOVL and it flies it for you. I’ll try it in the AV8B next! 😅
@@cgaviator I’ve just tried it in the MV-22 Osprey I just purchased and have found that I can’t slow down enough without 10 miles of wiggle room or I rip the nacelles off!
@@axeman3d haha! Good idea to try the Osprey! It’s a tricky balance to keep the power low enough to slow but enough to lift during the transition phase. Should be able to slow within a mile or 2
@@cgaviator use dcs next time though this isn't as close
@@denmister100 to be fair: I've seen some pretty horrible approaches / landings within DCS that people shouldn't be able to get away with - and they've been called "great landings"! so yea.. while i 100% prefer DCS for such activities and it's the best we got, it's still far from being perfect.
Finding your content this holiday season has been fantastic. I didn't realise just how good MSFS was for low fast flying. Particularly enjoying the UK navigation sorties like the mach loop, the lakes and Scotland. Having an absolute blast especially as I was in centre parcs earlier this year and saw the hawks flying over head and now I've been able to recreate the route. Please keep the content going and perhaps expanding to other major UK bases like Brize, Lakenheath, Conningsby etc? ATC comm protocol would be fun also! Many thanks!
Good suggestions, thanks 👍🏻
Great Job! I'm way too old to maintain my composure for this anymore. That said, I know I still had my nerves when I was as old as 40 to 45 but then the 'age factor' creeps in and the next thing you know, you're 70 and things just don't happen the same way anymore... LOL.
FWIW,
Rich
That was just simply beautiful. Thank you!! Happy New Year!
Thanks, and same to you!
Excellent job explaining the process as you fly. Very well made video. Happy New year!
Thanks, and Happy New Year to you 👍🏻
Incredible flying and the visuals are just beautiful 😍
Thank you 👍🏻
Wonderful approach and landing!
Thank you 🙏🏻
That was fantastic Chris. Thanks very much for sharing. 👍👍
Absolutely my pleasure! It’s great to learn something new
Fantastic precision flying sir!
Thanks, though the F35 makes it a lot easier
Absolutely mesmerising, thank you!
Glad to hear it!
Well that went right over my head 😕, personal problem however, that was a superb instructional video as always. Happy New Year from Kiwi Land. Keep up the great work and take care.
Lol, it took me a while to read into it that’s for sure! There’s a lot more detail that could be added. Season’s best wishes to you and yours!
Yest again another sortie you make look so easy thank you Chris and happy new year
Thanks! It took a fair bit of research and practice. And Happy New Year!
That was brilliant to watch Chris! Like you said, I would hate doing that for real
Thanks! Next to try it in the AV8B!
Imagine doing this on a Harrier (in DCS or Real Life even)? That's perhaps the first time I just fully realised how impactful the automation in the F-35 is in reducing the workload. Imagine having to constantly keep an eye on all the instruments while slowly adding more nozzles and throttles.
Amazing video.
I’ll be doing a DCS AV8B version soon! 3 nozzle settings: 50, 60 and hover stop.
@@cgaviator Ah yes that would make sense. Not that it would make it easy by any means though. Can't wait for the video :D
@@cgaviator When I fly the dcs harrier I try to maintain a stable pitch and use the nozzle to control speed. For me it works much better than pitching up and down to adjust speed. So it's basically power for up/down, roll for left right and nozzle angle for fwd/aft.
@@audunskilbrei8279 yeah, the dcs one is a major workaround. You can pitch full nose forward and not crash as long as the nozzles at at 90!
@@cgaviator What do you mean by pitch full nose forward?
Superb flying. I was nervous throughout!
Next I need to do this in DCS with a ship that’s rocking and rolling! 😅
Amazing content. Cheers for your dedication!
My pleasure, thank you
You have the eye sight of an Eagle spotting that carrier. Bravo!
I’ve had to spot some runways in some highly suspect weather before!
That’s amazing that you can find the carrier like that.
Just need a needle pointing in the right direction! I’m hoping that new updates will make the carriers more realistic in terms of navigation. Perhaps I’ll revisit this along with a precision approach.
Nice Chris, I've already got the sim loading to have a go ! Happy New Year to you and yours bud. 😎👍
Hope the video helps! It’s satisfying to get right that’s for sure!
And same to you! 🎄 🍻
Great job! I don't think I'll EVER get to this level of skill. Fun to watch though!
Just a lot of practice! Glad you liked 👍🏻
Brilliant video. Thanks for creating and sharing.
My pleasure!
Thoroughly enjoyable video!
Thank you 🙏🏻
You are the best mate! Great video!
Thanks man, very kind!
That was insane! I would never have seen the carrier until way later
Spotting the proverbial needle in a soggy haystack! 😅
Great video buddy and so true to life
Hopefully when I try it in DCS with a moving ship it’ll be even more immersive!
Great to learn about procedures! THX 💙
My pleasure!
Cool demonstration!!
Thanks 🙏🏻
amazing video, you earned another sub!
Thank you, very kind!
Awesome video as usual.
Thank you 🙏🏻
WOW, nice video!
Thanks very much 👍🏻
That was fecking awesome!
Thank you kindly! Hats off to the peeps who do it for real!
When the clag is thick as a bag, expect a perfect approach and landing from a professional!
Very slick indeed! And inspirational, as are all your videos.
It would be great if MSFS gave you the correct landing aids for the carrier.
I don’t have a flight sim set up at the minute but will be going the MSFS 20 route, having been a simmer since way back in FS9 days.
Nice one, Chris.
Best wishes from Wirral!
Thank you, hopefully the carriers get better. There are some good developments but still miles from what DCS has.
Nicely done!
Thank you kindly!
THAT WAS MEGA IMPRESSIVE!!!!
Thanks Tundra!
Well done, the accent had me hearing Sea Harrier driver, the whole time. "What are you listening to over there?" Fat Amy driver doing a case III approach and landing at the boat, flying strict NATOPS. "Debbie you are weird. I'm going to Starbucks, want any?" 😆
😂 I’ll take a mocha frappacino if there’s one on offer! 😁
@@cgaviator Lol! I buy you fly, I've got year end accounting to do, busy girl this time of year!
@@debbiestimac5175 reminds me, need to do my self assessment! 👀
@@cgaviator Love when managers make employees do their jobs for them. (sarcasm) Give yourself a raise and more vacation time! Lol.
Cracking video 👍🏻
Thank you, much appreciated
Beautiful
Great video
Thank you 🙏🏻
Wow, very impressive indeed. I just had to sub and thank you for the content.
Thank you, very much appreciated!
the landing is really smooth
Easy in the F35 👍🏻
Impressive!
Well done
Thanks 🙏🏻
Superb!
Thank you 🙏🏻
beautiful.
Thank you kindly
In CASE III conditions we would recover the F35’s with a straight in approach, they would still slow to a hover over spot 7 however they would follow the tram line of the ship (yellow line)
Over-the-stern? The NATOPS read like it was optional. Do you work with them? Would be cool to see up close!
@@cgaviator It’s based on conditions of weather, night landings are always Case III so it’s always going to be over the stern, heavy weather recovery’s will also be Case III over the stern depending on PriFly’s Decision. I’m a yellow shirt on these big decks, I pull these birds daily and watch this happen. Also, you’re not wrong for landing on spot 9 because you’re just a single F35 doing CQ’s on the deck, but normally the first F35 will always scoot up to spot 7 before paddles gives him the clear to cross. Then that gives us the opportunity to recover another jet on 9 and hold him while 7 is spinning into the slash. On these mods that these guys have made of the ships deck with all the aircraft on it there are some inaccuracies to it and it bothers me, for instance, GSE (tractors) parked Between F35’s on a green deck, that thing has to have a driver or be tied down and also the modders like to fill the slash with all kinds of jets to make it feel alive, but I can’t taxi into the slash when they do that so it gets bothersome because no aircraft is just going to sit on the LA unless it’s a spotted helo that’s spinning.
The foul line (alternating red and white that should not be crossed by personnel without specific instruction) is shifted so close to the island that there’s no room for the Ground support equipment to park there, meaning that they’ve just scattered them across the deck to make it feel “alive”
Trust me I was FLY2PO and I would NEVER have no shit like that going on during flight quarters 😂😂😂
@@Jetpusher 😂 I hear ya! Thanks for the info. And thanks for what you do! 🤘🏻
Really dragged me in. When the video was over I was trying to undo my seat-belt 🤓
Great to hear, I think I’ve set the bar a bit with this! 👍🏻
Also if there’s a cage uncage for the hud, it’s helpful to use it so that the hud won’t go out of frame.
There is, but I tend not to use it because I prefer the fpm to show me where I’m going to land rather than just my pitch 👍🏻
That did not feel like 12 minutes. Good flying!
Thank you, very much appreciated
Wow, nice video. Visibility almost zero and still manage to land with no issues.
Thanks 🙏🏻
hugely interesting watch, the F35 cockpit is stunning
That big screen does look impressive!
The chart you have for reference shows a left turn onto a right arc, yet you flew a right turn into a left arc. Are there two types of procedures for this approach? I certainly stand by your comment “known power and attitude gives a predictable performance “ - or words to that effect! Flew it like it was on rails, very informative particularly the control input responses once in the hover. I was under the impression it flew like a Harrier, leave it to the (good ol’) US of A to come up with something different… thanks!
The chart I use for reference, there’s nothing to say that a particular ship can’t nominate a 210 rather than 150 relative bearing for the Marshall. I did it because of the ground which I ended up flying over anyway! 😅 And thanks, much appreciated 👍🏻
Wow 😮👏
thanks 🚨
Thanks a lot for all your good and interesting videos :) The landing phase looked rather easy. Very stable og pretty fast deceleration. Was that just an obervation from my side, or is the F-35B really so "straight forward" to handle in MSFS?
The real F35 is simple to handle though recently a guy ejected from a bounced landing. Think there was a system failure in there somewhere! But the MSFS is crazy easy to control but the hover controls are a tad off.
@@cgaviator Ok thx :)
This could be such an awesome combat flight sim. I'd love to see a collaboration between DCS and Microsoft.
Never gonna happen lol! Though who knows… maybe Microsoft will buy them out!
@@cgaviator Never even thought about that. They EASILY have the cash.
While it's usually impossible for me to give props to anything military/naval based aviation related in MSFS because there is a far superior option out there for that kind of stuff, i do want to complement your piloting and (almost 100%) dedication to NATOPS SOPs. While i don't know shit about F-35 SOPs i was a bit confused about when the ball call came, but besides that i am certain that if you had the DCS Supercarrier with a capable module (Hornet is my preference) you would rock CASE 3 down to every detail rather than going for minimums straight because having things like the ball and long range laser lineup system will be able to assist you. Plus usually you'd fly "needles" anyways.
Needles for the win! Straight to minimums because there was no glidepath guidance. And there was plenty of poetic licence at play! 😅
@@cgaviator Yea you gotta find your workarounds to deal with the constraints of the sim. You did an awesome job at that imho, keeping it as true to SOP as feasible.
I've been blasting around in the F-35 recently. Lovely jet, bit clunky but it's modelled well.
Can't find the hotkey for hover though. Having to click "Hover" is a massive pain in the ass.
Keybinds: Toggle tail hook for STOVL, AP Heading Hold for Hover. It’s in the manual 😜
Wow. This is amazing. Makes me hope there will be some sort of flight plan system for this aircraft some day!
Thanks! 😁 There is a flight plan system of sorts. You can also plan externally and import a flight plan. Or did you mean create waypoints in the aircraft?
This might be redundant but check out PMS50
@@cgaviator i mean add/change waypoints while in flight. Flying a normal route on vatsim in this is quite difficult currently because after loading in you can’t change Sid, star or approach. Quite annoying.
@@aruhtaz you mean using it through the toolbar and changing route that way? I’ll have to try, seems like an idea.
@@Lasssse ah yes, though unless it’s RNAV specific you could always fly it old school! 😅
Wow 😮
😁
Where do you get your Natops manuals procedures from CG?,I can find some but not all. Always massively impressed with your tutorials 👍
Thanks 👍🏻 and searching LSO or LHA NATOPS
Gonna get the f35 tomorrow. Is there a key binding for the vtol to activate at any point in flight? Also how did you get aircraft carriers. Great vid.
I seriously need to charge the developers commission! 😂 Keybinding is toggle tail hook and hover is ap heading hold. It’s in the manual for reference! Carriers are Miltech but indiafoxtecho also do some.
wow, if you enjoy this kinda flying you should really check out DCS, there’s many communities in that game that fly very by the book just like your doing. Nice procedure.
I have a DCS channel that I’ve just started 👍🏻
@@cgaviator Oh awesome, enjoy.
you should play DCS i think you’d enjoy it if you’re into real carrier ops. plus it has an actual physics model lol
lol, I do, I have a separate channel for DCS stuff. I chill on MSFS while DCS makes me study like it’s work! 😂
In weather like this, better to stop and land, than land and stop!
absolutely!
Chris, awesome video as always but I’ve got a burning question. As we see yourself pull along side the carrier as they do in real life, and perform this slide across action. If the runway is free from aircraft and other traffic, then why can’t the pilots fly straight in like a normal runway?
They can! From how it read, at night they conduct over-the-stern approaches. But the deck is much smaller than a CVN type ship (regular carrier) so it would be tight. Or at least that’s my understanding of it.
Have a look at Shipboard Rolling Vertical Landing videos. That is the procedure for over the back of the ship approaches. But it has always been easier to stop then land rather than land then stop, which is why the vertical landing is preferred.
@@SPQRTempus I did a few over the stern practices before settling on this approach. Perhaps I’ll do that video next. Thanks for the suggestion!
Great vid Chris. Any chance of that Track IR idiots guide vid pls? I'll be using a 48" C2 tv on the wall. Merry Christmas and happy New , btw
Lol, it’s still on the todo list! 😅 I think there’s a good video by Jabbers on setting up TrackIR
And season’s best to you and yours! 🍻
@@cgaviator I can't follow their guide, am far 2 fick. 😵😵😵 Will try again though once I'm set-up👍🏿
@@thelmaviaduct lol, I’ll see what I can do but I think trial and error will work for you.
35 avionics maintainer here, any 35 pilots and or engineers can double verify because I was almost sure the ILS gave you a visual outline of the flight deck on your HMD or am i trippin
That would be sweet, but I don’t think that would be possible in this sim. I’d love to get my hands on the real F35 sim again
@@cgaviator the legit one from Lockheed uses a very low resolution, low poly, early google earth environment
Really enjoyed this, thanks Chris. One question, how does one do a rate one turn with the F-35's glass cockpit? Is there a HUD symbology for that?
Thanks! And I don’t think they have an indicator for the rate 1, not like the old days! At 250kt it’s about 30 degrees. I think there’s a rule of thumb. 10% of groundspeed plus 7 rings a bell. So for 250kt, 25+7=32. Don’t quote me, but it’s good enough for government work! 😅
@@cgaviator Nice. Thanks. I was also wondering, do military aircraft (Tornado, Harrier era) have the ability to fly IFR flight plans using RNAV waypoints, like an airliner? This is something never implemented in the sims I have tried.
@@oistk8956 can’t speak for the Harrier but I’m fairly sure that ICAO points weren’t part of the load. I believe (stretching the memory) that we carried a book with the coordinates of the waypoints and then used GPS nav to that. Not legal for flying RNAV but we could steer direct. Mostly, when travelling outside the UK, we’d be lead by a tanker which would handle all the IFR stuff for us! 😁
@@cgaviator fascinating, thanks! I guess you could fly VOR to VOR (or NDBs). I bet modern F-35s and such aircraft can fly ICAO RNAV waypoints on AP.
@@oistk8956 I would hope they can! 😂
Could you use the same document for landing on a platform or in a hanger in Star Citizen? Might be a fun "just for fun" video to increase immersion in that pseudosim.
Yeah, if it has a method of detecting ranges and radials 👍🏻
what about helicopters? do they also slide over the deck then land? thanks
Referencing my questionable touch down? 😂 No, they should stick the landing!
To at popped up as a heart with a plus in the middle - not seen that before! Either way, thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
what's the stable hover absolute ceiling on the F35B ?
There is one, but I’ve never explored it, nor do I know what the real limit would be. Though I previously hovered above the Burj Khalifa but that was before they updated the model.
Does the US navy use metric for vis? IN NA civil aviation all distances are reported in statute miles or RVR in feet. Anyways cool stuff. Im currently doing my IFR so this is even more intense
British pilot on exchange! 😉 But yes, US use Statue Miles. Can’t fathom it! 😂
@@cgaviator Why not? A fathom is only 6 feet! Even Top Gear say everything in miles
@@Fenixx117 😂
where did you get the natops guide?
I think search for LSO vstol NATOPS
is this a mod? isnt f35 classified how did they get the cokpit so well done and the avionics?? WOW
Indiafoxtecho F35. They did a great job modelling using whatever open source info they could find. Of course some of it is their best guess
Is it possible to land on top of skyscrapers in MSFS?
not sure how you got from carrier landings to skyscrapers lol! some of them you can, by default i don't think so. Haven't tried in a while
Nav with GPS to a moving ship?
It’s not moving 😅
like i havent understood anything... I mean... how on earth did you find that ship in the middle of nowhere -_- ( you will have a tough time for not getting lost, cause you can't )
good vid mate.
Thanks very much! Finding it always starts in the planning phase. Then it’s just luck! 😂
Cool video but one thing that bothered me is that you’re on the R300 not the R120, you’re flying 120 inbound course
True, if I verbalised it as a radial from then I misspoke. However, I can still be on the inbound radial value rather than use tail end of the needle. And mostly it’s a fudge based on me using the GPS waypoint rather than tacan. I think I corrected my lead radial comment.
@@cgaviator it was clear what you meant no worries, you were flying a course to a waypoint as you say, not tracking a radial. Wasn’t really worth me picking up, just being very pedantic. Enjoyed the video
What's ur pc specs and graphics settings on msfs?
Link in description 👍🏻
Is the carrier freeware or pay ware ?
Payware by Miltech
Do you use default weather?
Usually one of the sofly weather presets maybe adjusted to suit requirements 👍🏻
Where do you find the carrier in msfs or is it a mod/add- on?
This is a Miltech carrier. There are lots available through an online search 👍🏻
@@cgaviator Thanks
If the f35 is fs2020 got functional radar, FLIR, and rdr cursor, this would be basically the military’s F-35 simulator. Now fs2020 isn’t the most realistic fcls wise, but it will get better…
Lol, I think there’s a longer list than that but it’s coming along nicely! 😅
Which weather preset please?
Erm, I think I just took rain and increased the lower parameters to allow for suitable cloud deck and visibility.
no vstol ols?
You have the standard OLS on a large carrier/CVN (the ball), you can have an OLS dedicated to VSTOL approach, and you have have HPI specific for hovering in the correct place alongside
what mod do you use for the f35b?
Indiafoxtecho
@cgaviator sweet got any other cool mods and whats ur reshade profile?
@cgaviator hmm for some reason i thought this was dcs lol never theless i play msfs and this mod is sick
@@bigzary5550 SoFly weather preset and I think the Miltech arg for this video. I use nvidia filters and I’ll get around to sharing it one day! 😄 But try tint to 33 and strength at 20. Add contrast as desired 👍🏻
@@bigzary5550 just don’t buy it from marketplace or you won’t have weapons
Excellent video as usual Chris, I particularly appreciate you including the radio calls - helps with confidence for DCS multiplayer!
I have a question: as you were on approach, you were clearly doing a scan of your instruments and seeing what needed correcting. Can you talk about this, what you do, what you look at, what the flow is, etc., please? (Or, if you can remember, which video you explained it in?)
I’ll likely do another video about flying the needles (ILS). One of my first videos ever was flying the Hawk T1 on the ILS. And while it’s an analogue jet, I pause the video and talk about what I’m looking at. That video will give the fundamentals of a workcycle and why to check. Also the How to Land Any Jet video that I linked
To during the video will talk about some other aspects of staying on parameters.
Could you complete a sortie with no instruments at all?
How do you mean? VFR or a flight with weather but instruments failed?
@@cgaviator just left with stick and throttle no instruments,no airspeed indicator, no artificial horizon
@@alripal9665 through significant cloud, not possible without instruments. If they suffered a display failure they may be able to use an iPad with gps for ground speed reference.
And it depends on the definition of completing a sortie. They may be able to fly about but they wouldn’t be mission effective at all 👍🏻
@@cgaviator thanks for your reply,it just seems to me that you're overly dependant on instruments
When 360` vision?
Doubtful ever! Maybe if DCS have a proper F35 but info is so classified it would be a best guess
@@cgaviator secrit documents but still hope
The flight model looks ridiculously simplified like you are flying a UFO. Nicely done though.
Yup, it is sadly. And thanks 🙏🏻
where's the HPI??
I'll track it down when I try in the DCS version
real world procedures in msfs. what’s not to love❤. thankyou
i love the callsigns. you can tell that war was designed by macho men. No ‘TulipOne’ or ‘DaisyOne’ inbound. Its all stealth and daggers😂
😂 fair point, need to sound mean! And thanks for taking the time to comment 👍🏻
that landing would have no doubt broke those wheels and landing gear.
The gear is designed to take a firm landing (unlike the recent ejection that happened at Dallas). VTOL aircraft aren’t landed like a helicopter, they’re firmly planted to avoid issues with ground effect and pitch/roll of the deck 👍🏻
Amazing job. Sub and Like. F35Pilot here also
Thanks, appreciate it!
Stick for up and down!? WTAF. Is the real aircraft is configured this way in VTOL mode? As a rotary wing pilot this is heresy.
Yes, it’s designed so the inputs are similar to forward flight. None of this funny business with the controls. It’s to keep it common between phases of flight. When I messed about in a real helicopter sim, I had a hell of a job telling my brain to put my throttle hand forward at landing rather than backwards! 😂
Fun fact, the F-35 definitely cannot fly in a lightning storm… just throwing that out there..
Lol, absolutely!
Not supposed to fly F-35s in lightening ...ironic being that it's named the Lightning II 🤣🤣
Lol, I won’t tell if you won’t! 😅
@@cgaviator your secret is safe with me! 🤣 Man I wish MS would do a combat sim...either that, or DCS up its game and get gfx like MSFS and mods like it has! The melding of those two would be insanely good!!
It's not realistic. It lacks the moment the plane fails and crashes either on the deck or in the ocean or the pilot passes out due to oxygen issues
Or bounces, then collapses…! 😅
@@cgaviator
True :D
You should cage your hud.
Wasn’t sure how, but I usually prefer to have the fpm show we where I’m aiming
Procedures may have been "realistic" but the jet deff wasn't. Entertaining nonetheless
Yeah, best we got at the moment