Check what a specialist of the ACVB is before commenting something about me being a veterinarian. Also, if you are looking for videos on how to train without hurting the dog, UA-cam is full of them so I don't feel the need to make another one. Enjoy.
I got my puppy at 8 weeks, followed Karen pryors methods for 3 months still had no control over my dog unless I had treats and even that didn't work after time because he learned to get the treat then do what he wanted anyway, Atticus is a pit/ malinois/ mastiff mix so by 6 months he had size and power and I was fighting a losing battle, found American standards and decided to try it, with in 1 weeks Atticus was walking perfectly every time, no more trying to chase everything that came by us. Now 3 months later my 5 yr old granddaughter walks my 70 lb puppy and no worries he'll drag her across the road. No longer have to carry treats to keep his attention, he's focused on me and only me. Sorry to tell but his methods work great. And as for my dog feeling pain, we'll it's equivalent to a smack on a 5 yr Olds hand, more startled than hurt. I don't see you training any dogs.
You don't have to yank them to communicate "walk on a slack leash," you can just stop going in the direction the dog wanted to go if they try to pull you, call them and start going a different direction. And give rewards for walking on a loose leash or wherever you want the dog to be More of a "my response to pulling is to go the opposite direction, or go in boring circles, so if you want to actually go somewhere, pulling won't work"
I'm going to age myself here, but that's okay. I started training my own dogs when I was quite young and, at that time, choke collars, prong collars, electronic collars were "how you trained dogs". Then a lady by the name of Karen Pryor came along and introduced the dog world to an entirely new way of training dogs. Karen Pryor had been training marine mammals; ones you couldn't put a choke collar on and "correct" if you didn't like a behavior. I immediately began to learn about this "positive reinforcement" training and I have never looked back. I will NEVER return to choke chains, prong collars, electronic collars. I've seen dogs just BLOSSOM with positive reinforcement. I've not seen ANY BREED that didn't learn better using positive reinforcement than punishment (including "hard" breeds like Corsos and Malinois). I have done work with a Great Dane and Irish Wolfhound rescue group. These are, truly, gentle giants, but we got some in with behavioral issues and many were fearful and had reactivity and "aggression" issues due to their fear and anxiety (a lot of these dogs literally survived hell and all sorts of horrible interactions with "human beings"). So you're going to "pop" a 150-pound male Dane or Wolfhound that is full grown (very strong), has never been on a leash in his life, doesn't know what you want him to do and already thinks people are horrible creatures? Gentle giant or no, that's a pretty good way to get bitten (especially if a dog is already fearful and you're inflicting pain and even more anxiety on to the poor dog). No way am I going to risk life and limb using "corrections" on a dog that can kill me (literally) if they want to. Not when I have a better way to train them that doesn't endanger my life and health (I've grown quite fond of my arms, legs, toes, and fingers, and hope to keep those intact for a while yet) and actually solves the root of the problem (rather than just shutting a dog down).
Great Danes can be reactive, regardless of their background. They are Gentle Giants for sure, but many who were raised, like other dogs, during covid, limiting socialization in their younger years. Then there are other GD that just didn't get socialized at all. Great Danes are a breed that NEED that socialization. They are fierce protectors of their home and family and if they do not learn early on that other people(and animals) are not something to constantly react to, be fearful of, be aggressive towards, ect. When then taken out of that environment, especially if it's the only one they've ever really known, they are going to be guarded. This can be interpreted as being from an abusive home, or a neglectful home. In many cases that isn't entirely accurate. Most of the time it is out of ignorance of the breed and being neglectful of the breed's specific needs. That all being said I 100% agree with you that this guy would not be able to handle a GD that had poor leash manners, and certainly not one that had never been on a leash! There are a lot of GD and other Large Breed dogs that will not respond to prong collars at all. Not to a pop not to a pull, none of it. Not to mention if a large breed dog is pulling from the start that prong collar is useless as a training tool because the steady pressure makes it less painful and more likely to injure!
@@EmilyEverglot I agree with what you said. All dogs need socialization (it's imperative), but it's particularly important with larger dogs. An unsocialized Chihuahua is one thing, an unsocialized Great Dane is quite another (and much more dangerous). All dogs (of all breeds) respond much better to positive training methods than aversive training methods and Danes are certainly no exception. It's unfortunate that so many animals were unable to get the socialization they needed during lock down. It's a very real problem. However, I am not going to point a finger at their owners, who were doing the best they could given the circumstances. It's just a really "sucky" situation. The good news is that you can help the dogs who missed out on that socialization. It can be time consuming and it's a lot of work, but it can be done. And that is NOT to say that you should shrug and not socialize your puppy thinking "we can "fix" it later". NO!!!!!
@@janhankins911 I absolutely agree. We had two Great Dane Service Dogs that were raised and trained during lock down. The male who was almost exclusively trained (especially in the early days)during lock down had way more social issues than the female. He is slowly coming out of them. But my adult son whose Service dog he is for he has decided it is best to use him mainly at home. He still takes him out and he is getting much better at socialization but for safety purposes it's better for him to be an SD at home.
There’s a happy medium here. I use a prong collar at the beginning of training. But I use verbal cues before I pop, like slow or easy, stop, left right. Say the command if no listen then give a pop, if they listen treat. You don’t have to surprise the dog with a sudden pop and turn. The dog doesn’t have to be staring at you all the time, they should be by your side, a little in front or little behind is fine, they know where you are, let them enjoy the surroundings, and give verbal commands as needed, like street crossings or when you about to stop or turn.
I have to disagree about the medium but I'm happy you agree about the popping he is doing and about being more verbal instead of just randomly surprising and hurting the dog. Thanks for watching.
I agree with Dr. Orion. Any use of the prong collar isn't a "happy medium". If the dog isn't responding to your cue, why? Does he not know the behavior sufficiently? Is your reinforcement not really a reinforcement? Is the dog tired and doesn't want to train any longer? Is the dog in pain or not feeling well? Is the environment too distracting (because you went from teaching the dog in a quiet home to an environment with huge distractions)? Is the dog "worried" (fearful) about something? You can achieve the same results without the pop or jerk. The use of such aversive training techniques diminishes the human animal bond, doesn't identify "why" the dog is not responding appropriately to your cue, since you don't know "why" the dog is ignoring your cue, you don't know what to do to ensure the dog will respond appropriately (so you resort to pops and jerks). In addition, such aversive techniques can lead to aggression. I worked with Great Dane and Irish Wolfhound Rescue. We would get in large adult male Danes and Wolfhounds weighing 150 to 180 pounds. I have two comments about "popping" these dogs. First, unless you're pretty strong, they don't really feel the pop, so people up the strength of the pop (risking physical injury to anatomical structures in the throat/neck area). Second, if a 180 pound dog takes exception to your "pops" (and bites you), that's a pretty serious situation (you weren't bitten by a Chihuahua). Even a very "soft" bite from a Dane or Wolfhound can inflict serious injury on the human body. These dogs can KILL you if they want to. I'm not going to take a chance that a 180 pound dog will decide he's had enough of my trying to jerk him around and if I don't pay attention to his body language, and I get bitten and likely seriously injured. I've grown incredibly attached to my limbs and would like to keep them for a good while longer. So, nope, no "happy medium" for me, no matter where in the training process you stick the aversives. Step 1: Develop a training plan. Step 2: Implement the training plan. Step 3: Assess the training plan. Is the behavior changing in the desired manner? If so, continue with training plan implementation. If not, correct the training plan, NOT the dog.
Also aside from how punishment doesnt work and lessens the bond between dog and owner etc. We struggle to get owners to do basic leadwork like figure of 8 sometimes 😅. So idk how this guy's classes go but he's expecting owners to do corrections *and* clicker training- plus as you mention there weren't major distractions here. I'm not saying owners are dumb or incompetent either, they just get flustered sometimes with lots of information and doing these things in front of strangers (like in a group class).
I'm surprised she didn't rip the mans arm out with how hard she was pulling 😂 That poor golden has no idea what is expected of her. I saw her itching as a displacement behavior, she did it a few times in the video. I'm so glad you mentioned that. Thank you for making these videos and trying to help educate owners. I walk my 80-pound American bulldog with a Ruffwear harness and a 15' leash. He doesn't pull, doesn't chase rabbits, checks in with me, stops walking when I stop, comes back to me when I ask, looks at me when I ask... all taught with positive reinforcement. His walks are for him, so he sets the pace and can sniff and explore all the things. He walks ahead of me most of our walk. I prefer this so I don't trip, I'm clumsy 😅 I don't understand the obsession with having a dog walk right next to you and looking at you the entire walk. How boring. I taught my dog to walk right next to me when needed, but that is usually only needed when we go to the vet or working in public places. He has different leashes for different occasions, and he has leash manners with all. Doesn't matter if it is his 15' leash or his 4' leash. 😱
@@DrOrion I hear the excuses all the time why big dogs need aversive tools. Especially in the American Bulldog community. My American bulldog is proof powerful breeds can be trained with positive reinforcement. I am also fearfree and working on getting fearfree certified. Unfortunately lots of owners and "trainers" have unrealistic expectations of dogs and think normal dog behavior is bad behavior that needs to "fixed".
Forgot to add that his leash is always hands free and attached to my waist because I don't have full use of one of my arms. I also taught him how to close doors, open the trashcan for me by stepping on the foot thing, and to turn off the lights. We are still working on turning on the lights. I never understand why we expect dogs to learn how to live in a human world in minutes, but we give kids years to make mistakes and learn.
I have a small dog but I've helped neighbors with big dogs. I use a command that means heel basically that we use when needed but the walk is FOR THE DOG. Let the dog explore, sniff, pee on stuff. I never want my dog walking by my side. There are much better ways to get them exercise than a forced heel. I'm not a professional trainer. I have no formal training beyond fear free lessons I've taken with my own dog. But I've helped keep 70+lb "unruly" dogs at home, rather than returned to the shelter because the owner gave up. It can definitely be hard work. And results won't be "instant" but they will become second nature, they will become so strong in ways these methods never do.
@CodexPotter Exactly! The walk is for the dog. Dogs learn so much about their environment through their nose. My boy knows a lot and we have an amazing bond. It was not accomplished overnight. Some things took longer than others, and sometimes we have to take a step back. I love watching him think and learning how he communicates and learns.
I believe when he said you had to "do it five times harder" without a prong collar, he didn't mean you had to work harder, but use the corrections harder. As in, yank ("pop") really hard for adequate pain/discomfort in the dog, whereas with the prong collar, more pain/discomfort can be achieved with less effort. Sickening to think about... Especially if you see how hard he yanks even WITH the prong collar. ☹
11:32 - i have a friend with Alaskan Malamutes who had to learn force-free becayse her dogs don't care about punishment. Ironically with her dogs, the more she punishes, the more the dogs desire the thing she's trying to prevent
Thank you for the video. Very important. Do not stop, just because some people cannot hear the truth. I think it is quite hard for people to accept that they did something bad to their dog. Better denying it and living a lie. Sadly that is what most humans do. I think that if you truly love your dog than you try to be better each day and forgive yourself of the mistakes you did in the past.
What is baffling is why he NEVER tells the dog what he wants. He just expects the dog to read his mind. This is a problem with many so called "dog trainers" these days, they don't use their voices. They have forgotten to teach the dog english (or whatever language they speak) . Instead of teaching the dog what the words mean by using lure/reward training, and then simply saying "heel", "turn", "sit" or whatever he wants the dog to do because after teaching the dog what the words mean the dog will KNOW what is wanted of them, these so called "trainers" instead want to jerk the dog around on a prong collar, choke them with a choke chain, or shock them with a shock collar without ever telling the dog what is wanted of them. This is why the dog training industry needs to be regulated so people like this american standard guy can't dupe the general public into thinking his abusive methods are how a dog should be trained. It is so unfortunate that so many people these days don't actually use their voices anymore when training and handling their dogs, instead they are using abusive tools because this is what too many "trainers" are promoting. Yes, I know, I am preaching to the choir...
All animals learn on "x action = x result" it's not abuseive. If a dog isn't paying attention and runs out of leash because the owner stops, the dog realizes that when owner stops, leash stops me. The dog is now inclined to watch the owner and sense when he stops, I stop. It's not abusive it's basic learning 101. Stop crying about it. Now tell me this, how do you positively train a dog not to go after poisonous toads without some sort of negative association with it? Are you really going to risk the life of your dog because your too weak to enforce some corrective actions?
@@freddy5563 If you read my comment you would see that I explained how you teach the dog what the cue word means (ie, teach them english). Yes, dogs are very intelligent and you can teach them quite a large vocabulary.
Like you, I winced every time he yanked on that prong. Poor honey- plus she's a baby! Teach her what you WANT, not punish her for being a dog! Now take the collar and lead off and see how much she learned :( Good video on your end, just painful to watch.
He is not aware of body language, doesn't care. Not bonding with the dog, control freak. She is not itching but scratching. You can see her confused looking up at him expecting pain at any second. Panting, hot, don't know how long this video was from start to finish. Flooding and punishment. One trick pony only.
When I first started training dogs back in the 90's the prevailing wisdom around dog training was the Koehler Method; people wanted to dominate a dog into submission more than build a working relationship with their dog. I've never been a fan of aversion training; with very few exceptions, and was kind of horrified to see recommendations of digging a hole and holding a dog's head under water if it shows aggression in Koehler's book. I personally don't have an issue with slip leads and choke chains as a tool; where the problem is, is people abusing the tool with violent methods. It's crazy that Koehler method stuff still persists in today's dog training. I never yank a dog in an opposite direction or even let them get in a position where they'd be able to bolt off and yank themselves. Equal pressure to what the dog is offering and immediate release of that pressure when they stop offering that resistance, in controlled environments, in short 5 - 10 minute training sessions; on an appropriately matured dog. That's really the only way you should ever see a choke chain or slip lead put to use on a companion dog, in my eyes. The only justification I can see for a prong collar is with attack dogs; and you'd assume the handler would be experienced enough to not need one, but attack dogs are their own can of worms to discuss.
It sounds like you made a lot of progress and growth since you started. Sadly, even today the Koehler method persists despite the evidence that it should be avoided. Using prongs and chokes is the "tail" of this.
This is a retriever puppy, they are EAGER to please AND are sensitive dogs, I resent trainers like these. They will cause issues that didn’t even exist. Puppies pull, you need to teach them how not to pull. I am so angry watching this.
What I do not understand is why trainers think a pet dog (not a police dog or a competition dog) need to have a perfect heel to be able to walk and be in public. They punish when the dog is still on loose leash but is not exactly in the dogs ear to trainers hip position.
You can train your dog to walk in a heel if you want, or just loose leash. Both are fine with me. Why do people think it's necessary? I guess for the same reason they think they need to be the "alpha"...
That is what I wonder, too. I walk my dog in order to satisfy his need for sniffing and seeing things so why should I not let him enjoy his walk? The only time I want him right by me is if we are on a busy road with lots of cars near by or lots of pedestrians (which does not happen often)
That is hard to watch. So misguided but, unfortunately, many people will watch it and accept it at face value. Thank you for going through it and breaking it down for people with more helpful suggestions and training approaches. With our current rescue dog (a GSP), we discovered my husband’s cancer came back right when he returned home with her and the treatments immediately made him very sick. I can’t walk her due to disability from car accidents so we found a dog walker who had great reviews. She loved him and he walked her for 3 years but then I came home early when my assessment was cancelled and saw, as I was approaching our house, that he was walking her with a choke collar. He explained she pulled too much and it hurt his back. I was not happy. I tried to work with him on training her but he wanted no part of it and quit. My husband was at a point where he could do some walking and started taking her. He has a Ph.D. In cognitive psychology but never took any learning theory/ behaviour modification courses. I tried to give him specific training input but he said he just wanted to try on his own. She’s a very smart dog who has learned everything within the home very quickly. It took him about a week to get her leash trained without the choke collar. When she pulled he would say NO PULL and then stop walking then say COME/SIT. She would come sit next to him and he would reward her with pets and praise. (She absolutely adores him and has been by his side from the start as he battled cancer despite being a high energy young dog.) They would start up and repeat it when she pulled again. He is very patient and understood that, at first, it would happen a lot. In no time she understood and was mostly compliant. She is also fearful and reactive (barking) in response to particular breeds (labs especially) so if he spots one ahead on the walking trail he will move off the trail and have her come sit next to his right as she has learned to do and distracts her. And he lets the owner know not to allow the dog to approach them. Ideally she needs to be better socialized with other dogs but with all that we were dealing with and him fighting for his life for so long, it just never happened. Apparently she was picked on a lot by these large labs at the rescue before we got her. Anyhow, I wanted to share this as an example of how they can learn with just common sense and patience even with someone who is not versed in formal training techniques. She has a history of abuse and is very sensitive so even when we say no we always make sure to say it in a neutral tone and never raise our voice or use an angry tone. Preferably, I prevent the behaviour like her begging from my Dad who has poor eyesight and doesn’t notice her putting her head right next to his tv dinner table. So if I see her getting too close, I just say « Kona…back it up girl » and she backs up. It’s my fault for saving her bits of food to give her at the end of my meal. I know, My Bad!
I would love to see you go head to head with Garret on training a dog. You don’t stand a chance. Dog Daddy is not a trainer. He is horrible. I’d like to see how you train a dog.
UI,I don't know what you say this. Actually I used this technique with my dog and not just fix the pulling problem in less than 10 minutes but it also helped him to be less fearful. I hope that other people watching this video reads this comment so they can help their dogs by watching @American Standard Dog Training. I don't feel I m learning anything with you so respectfully I will never watch any of your videos again, and I believe you are giving missinformation.... don't like it.
@@DrOrion IMO Dog training is an art, no science and it's build by experience no data. I'm super agree to be as gentle as posible with our dogs, but attacking trainers that give valuable info to people I think is a mistake.. I will ask you to show me more results than studies to believe you are legit.
@@strenghsGirl dog training is a ongoing process. My dog since I used that technique understands leash pressure when walking so if anytime he gets too excited I just need to do a gentle tap and he walks beautifully again. Try it and let me know if it works for you too.😉
@@carolmagallon6918 I did another training that is focused on awareness and positive reinforcement. My dog is not pulling on the leash. I called my dog back each time when she started to get so much focused on something that would lead to pulling the leash. And then she got kuddles and praise. The moment she was 100% focused on me I started walking again. It took her about 1h and then she never pulled again. Because in this 1h she tried everything: is this just when I want to go to a tree, just when the way is like xxx and so on. After 1h she generalized it and now I have a dog that can sniff and is being focused on me. This helps in many situations as well.
I'm from Germany so prong and electric shock collars are illegal. Martingale collars were primarily made for fearful dogs so they can't wiggle out of the collar but people now use it to choke their dogs. Slip collars and leashes here were usually used for dogs that already walked perfect on a leash but can't walk without a leash because of laws but now people use them to choke their dogs. I think slip leashes are a good training tool too as long as they're used correctly
@destroyer114 Yep. Slip leads are used for letting dog run free during agility or hunting in Finland as well, but there's no probition against metal chain slip collars, martingales etc. And the law banning prongs doesn't stop people from missing fabric slip collars. My previous partner use slip leads on her dogs because she doesn't believe in collars and tags, only microchip.
The real problem here is that dogs need constant training, starting as early as possible. From 8 weeks and beyond. I know for a fact that the trainer showcased in this video is quite capable w large breed dogs and has achieved some very impressive outcomes w large dogs that are full of bad habits caused by lack of training from their owners. U, on the other hand just seem like a YT critic. Feel free to show us some examples of ur work w large breed protection level or slow level dogs & then maybe I'll take your advice seriously. I have a great cane corso & have learned a ton from American standard trainings videos & advice since I got him. I don't think u could handle training a large breed dog w ur methods
These are so sad. The dog has no idea what she is supposed to do. His markings and reinforcements are in such bad timing. If people would spend half as much time teaching their dogs what to DO instead of focusing on what NOT to do, it would be so much simpler!
@@DrOrion Not to mention these "solve" methods always bother me because I am a big believer in "new environment, new training"! That is throughout the dog's life!
@@DrOrion it was for Gunny! Again, a young, curious dog who had no idea what was expected of him and Mr. Wing made no effort to communicate such. The only exception was to shock the dog for off target behavior..
Garrett has helped me. I guess dogs understand him better than some people. He uses treats and clickers to teach before other tools. I think you are taking him out of context.
You are just one of those talkers that have never trained a strong pulling dog. Positive dog training is killing dogs every day. Just mind your own business and don't talk about things you don't understand.
Lol my puppy pulled more than this poor puppy - and is a golden too. Male and I’m not as strong as this guy. Guess what - I didn’t use ANY aversives and I’m not a dog trainer, I just love my dog enough to teach him with love. Have you heard of teaching with food? Or toys? Or praises? And attaching ques to it? Prong and shock is what mean,unkind, lazy, uneducated and cruel humans use. Look in the mirror and feel shame.
He is quite literally a Dr in behavior lol, not positive dog trainer. I think he understands more than most trainers. Not a talker, an educator trying to educate pet owners how to properly handle your dog.
Not all dogs respond to positive training there is a place for all tools you just need to find what works for your dog pack dogs aren't to kind to each other when it comes to disipline you cant put human emotions on an animal
Not all dogs respond the same as others, each breed type is different. Some things work for some and some things just dont. Would I use this method on that breed probably not, but he is a former K9 police dog trainer, working with GSD and Mals. Sometimes a little history is important to understand where someone is coming from, not to mentions his personal dogs are Cane corsos. Knowing all methods and tools is where you will get results. Some ppl are too sensitive and only care about their own narrative.
I disagree. The fact the a person worked somewhere and did things like he was taught to do, doesn't make it right. On the other hand, thousands of researches, veterinary behaviorist, and probably hundreds of thousands of reward based trainers showed the the reward based method is always safer and better. Thank you for watching.
I think that is a weak argument. The trainer from Cypress Arrow who abused the cane corso with a whip is a not a good trainer only because "she has a history and came from so and so" Training with pain is abuse!
@@Itsa-Mess welp you can't really compare apples to fecal matter. So I say the same to you, weak argument. What those women did to those dogs is not the same as this video. Just like how dogs are not cookie cutter versions of eachother. I'm not going to get into a huge explanation of this because of how long it will take and I don't need to defend myself on the internet to someone I don't even know.
No real value in this video. Just a bunch of complaining. I’d like if you actually mentioned techniques on how to train instead of what American standard is doing besides “give rewards”. Teaching a heel without the use an aversive would be very technical and a long process. Please make a video showing how to do so and provide some real value. If you did, you might have more subscribers.
So you admit that it is possible without aversive measures, it just would be a "long and technical process". Even the guy in the video admits it, it is entirely possible to teach these things force free, it just takes time and effort. So using aversives essentially cuts corners, whilst also weakening the bond with you and your dog, I'd say it's better for owners to take the time to have fun with training their dog, have that bond build and end up with the same result.
@@babelfish311 I think with some dogs it’s possible and with others it’s not. Some dogs just have more drive towards other things than constant treats. If the dog values a smell, squirl, interaction with something else more than the treat, then they will pull in that direction UNLESS it is communicated to them that they cannot do that behavior. Corrections are that communication. I don’t agree 100% with the way it was taught in this video but I think this video provides little to no value besides someone complaining about what shouldn’t be done and very little mention of what should be done.
@@DrOrion you barely tough on it. Not enough to thoroughly educate someone on the proper technique, And I don’t want to watch you complaining again so no thanks.
American standard dog training does an amazing job with the dogs that he teaches and the way he teaches those dogs with things like prong collars, choke chains and electric collars. They are good tools if they are used properly and he is using them properly and he’s not using an excessive amount of power when he’s pulling on the leash to correct a dog behavior so there is nothing wrong with it and there’s nothing wrong with the way he trains his dogs. His dogs are well mannered and they listen.
@@DrOrion their not fearful and their not in pain dogs need bad behavior corrected and some dog won’t correct that behavior with something like telling them no. Some dog need more than just that to get them to behave
Check what a specialist of the ACVB is before commenting something about me being a veterinarian. Also, if you are looking for videos on how to train without hurting the dog, UA-cam is full of them so I don't feel the need to make another one. Enjoy.
I got my puppy at 8 weeks, followed Karen pryors methods for 3 months still had no control over my dog unless I had treats and even that didn't work after time because he learned to get the treat then do what he wanted anyway, Atticus is a pit/ malinois/ mastiff mix so by 6 months he had size and power and I was fighting a losing battle, found American standards and decided to try it, with in 1 weeks Atticus was walking perfectly every time, no more trying to chase everything that came by us. Now 3 months later my 5 yr old granddaughter walks my 70 lb puppy and no worries he'll drag her across the road. No longer have to carry treats to keep his attention, he's focused on me and only me. Sorry to tell but his methods work great. And as for my dog feeling pain, we'll it's equivalent to a smack on a 5 yr Olds hand, more startled than hurt. I don't see you training any dogs.
When you say you followed Karen Pryor techniques, how did you learn them? Did you have a KPA trainer with you along the way, or are you one?
The prong collar helped. He also helped train my dog. My dog was never hurt
@@raismith1144 that's what all people who use it tell themselves... Thanks for watching.
@@DrOrionYou're a complete fool.
Of course he wasn't hurt, they yelp out of joy 🙄
You don't have to yank them to communicate "walk on a slack leash," you can just stop going in the direction the dog wanted to go if they try to pull you, call them and start going a different direction. And give rewards for walking on a loose leash or wherever you want the dog to be
More of a "my response to pulling is to go the opposite direction, or go in boring circles, so if you want to actually go somewhere, pulling won't work"
But why call your dog if you can randomly hurt him instead? 😳
I'm going to age myself here, but that's okay. I started training my own dogs when I was quite young and, at that time, choke collars, prong collars, electronic collars were "how you trained dogs". Then a lady by the name of Karen Pryor came along and introduced the dog world to an entirely new way of training dogs. Karen Pryor had been training marine mammals; ones you couldn't put a choke collar on and "correct" if you didn't like a behavior. I immediately began to learn about this "positive reinforcement" training and I have never looked back. I will NEVER return to choke chains, prong collars, electronic collars. I've seen dogs just BLOSSOM with positive reinforcement. I've not seen ANY BREED that didn't learn better using positive reinforcement than punishment (including "hard" breeds like Corsos and Malinois). I have done work with a Great Dane and Irish Wolfhound rescue group. These are, truly, gentle giants, but we got some in with behavioral issues and many were fearful and had reactivity and "aggression" issues due to their fear and anxiety (a lot of these dogs literally survived hell and all sorts of horrible interactions with "human beings"). So you're going to "pop" a 150-pound male Dane or Wolfhound that is full grown (very strong), has never been on a leash in his life, doesn't know what you want him to do and already thinks people are horrible creatures? Gentle giant or no, that's a pretty good way to get bitten (especially if a dog is already fearful and you're inflicting pain and even more anxiety on to the poor dog). No way am I going to risk life and limb using "corrections" on a dog that can kill me (literally) if they want to. Not when I have a better way to train them that doesn't endanger my life and health (I've grown quite fond of my arms, legs, toes, and fingers, and hope to keep those intact for a while yet) and actually solves the root of the problem (rather than just shutting a dog down).
Exactly. Karen Pryor trained huge animals without punishment. What is a cane corso compared to a killer whale?
People use these same techniques on big cats, bears, elephants. If a bear can cooperate, any dog can.
Great Danes can be reactive, regardless of their background. They are Gentle Giants for sure, but many who were raised, like other dogs, during covid, limiting socialization in their younger years. Then there are other GD that just didn't get socialized at all. Great Danes are a breed that NEED that socialization. They are fierce protectors of their home and family and if they do not learn early on that other people(and animals) are not something to constantly react to, be fearful of, be aggressive towards, ect. When then taken out of that environment, especially if it's the only one they've ever really known, they are going to be guarded. This can be interpreted as being from an abusive home, or a neglectful home. In many cases that isn't entirely accurate. Most of the time it is out of ignorance of the breed and being neglectful of the breed's specific needs. That all being said I 100% agree with you that this guy would not be able to handle a GD that had poor leash manners, and certainly not one that had never been on a leash! There are a lot of GD and other Large Breed dogs that will not respond to prong collars at all. Not to a pop not to a pull, none of it. Not to mention if a large breed dog is pulling from the start that prong collar is useless as a training tool because the steady pressure makes it less painful and more likely to injure!
@@EmilyEverglot I agree with what you said. All dogs need socialization (it's imperative), but it's particularly important with larger dogs. An unsocialized Chihuahua is one thing, an unsocialized Great Dane is quite another (and much more dangerous). All dogs (of all breeds) respond much better to positive training methods than aversive training methods and Danes are certainly no exception. It's unfortunate that so many animals were unable to get the socialization they needed during lock down. It's a very real problem. However, I am not going to point a finger at their owners, who were doing the best they could given the circumstances. It's just a really "sucky" situation. The good news is that you can help the dogs who missed out on that socialization. It can be time consuming and it's a lot of work, but it can be done. And that is NOT to say that you should shrug and not socialize your puppy thinking "we can "fix" it later". NO!!!!!
@@janhankins911 I absolutely agree. We had two Great Dane Service Dogs that were raised and trained during lock down. The male who was almost exclusively trained (especially in the early days)during lock down had way more social issues than the female. He is slowly coming out of them. But my adult son whose Service dog he is for he has decided it is best to use him mainly at home. He still takes him out and he is getting much better at socialization but for safety purposes it's better for him to be an SD at home.
There’s a happy medium here. I use a prong collar at the beginning of training. But I use verbal cues before I pop, like slow or easy, stop, left right. Say the command if no listen then give a pop, if they listen treat. You don’t have to surprise the dog with a sudden pop and turn. The dog doesn’t have to be staring at you all the time, they should be by your side, a little in front or little behind is fine, they know where you are, let them enjoy the surroundings, and give verbal commands as needed, like street crossings or when you about to stop or turn.
I have to disagree about the medium but I'm happy you agree about the popping he is doing and about being more verbal instead of just randomly surprising and hurting the dog. Thanks for watching.
I agree with Dr. Orion. Any use of the prong collar isn't a "happy medium". If the dog isn't responding to your cue, why? Does he not know the behavior sufficiently? Is your reinforcement not really a reinforcement? Is the dog tired and doesn't want to train any longer? Is the dog in pain or not feeling well? Is the environment too distracting (because you went from teaching the dog in a quiet home to an environment with huge distractions)? Is the dog "worried" (fearful) about something? You can achieve the same results without the pop or jerk. The use of such aversive training techniques diminishes the human animal bond, doesn't identify "why" the dog is not responding appropriately to your cue, since you don't know "why" the dog is ignoring your cue, you don't know what to do to ensure the dog will respond appropriately (so you resort to pops and jerks). In addition, such aversive techniques can lead to aggression. I worked with Great Dane and Irish Wolfhound Rescue. We would get in large adult male Danes and Wolfhounds weighing 150 to 180 pounds. I have two comments about "popping" these dogs. First, unless you're pretty strong, they don't really feel the pop, so people up the strength of the pop (risking physical injury to anatomical structures in the throat/neck area). Second, if a 180 pound dog takes exception to your "pops" (and bites you), that's a pretty serious situation (you weren't bitten by a Chihuahua). Even a very "soft" bite from a Dane or Wolfhound can inflict serious injury on the human body. These dogs can KILL you if they want to. I'm not going to take a chance that a 180 pound dog will decide he's had enough of my trying to jerk him around and if I don't pay attention to his body language, and I get bitten and likely seriously injured. I've grown incredibly attached to my limbs and would like to keep them for a good while longer. So, nope, no "happy medium" for me, no matter where in the training process you stick the aversives. Step 1: Develop a training plan. Step 2: Implement the training plan. Step 3: Assess the training plan. Is the behavior changing in the desired manner? If so, continue with training plan implementation. If not, correct the training plan, NOT the dog.
Also aside from how punishment doesnt work and lessens the bond between dog and owner etc. We struggle to get owners to do basic leadwork like figure of 8 sometimes 😅. So idk how this guy's classes go but he's expecting owners to do corrections *and* clicker training- plus as you mention there weren't major distractions here. I'm not saying owners are dumb or incompetent either, they just get flustered sometimes with lots of information and doing these things in front of strangers (like in a group class).
I don't know what he is expecting his clients to do but clearly he doesn't know how to mark correctly with a click.
@@DrOrion It's awful to watch I'm not surprised it was hard to get through for the video.
I'm surprised she didn't rip the mans arm out with how hard she was pulling 😂 That poor golden has no idea what is expected of her. I saw her itching as a displacement behavior, she did it a few times in the video. I'm so glad you mentioned that. Thank you for making these videos and trying to help educate owners.
I walk my 80-pound American bulldog with a Ruffwear harness and a 15' leash. He doesn't pull, doesn't chase rabbits, checks in with me, stops walking when I stop, comes back to me when I ask, looks at me when I ask... all taught with positive reinforcement. His walks are for him, so he sets the pace and can sniff and explore all the things. He walks ahead of me most of our walk. I prefer this so I don't trip, I'm clumsy 😅 I don't understand the obsession with having a dog walk right next to you and looking at you the entire walk. How boring. I taught my dog to walk right next to me when needed, but that is usually only needed when we go to the vet or working in public places. He has different leashes for different occasions, and he has leash manners with all. Doesn't matter if it is his 15' leash or his 4' leash. 😱
I wish more would read your comment instead of claiming big dogs can only be trained by hurting them all the time.
@@DrOrion I hear the excuses all the time why big dogs need aversive tools. Especially in the American Bulldog community. My American bulldog is proof powerful breeds can be trained with positive reinforcement. I am also fearfree and working on getting fearfree certified. Unfortunately lots of owners and "trainers" have unrealistic expectations of dogs and think normal dog behavior is bad behavior that needs to "fixed".
Forgot to add that his leash is always hands free and attached to my waist because I don't have full use of one of my arms. I also taught him how to close doors, open the trashcan for me by stepping on the foot thing, and to turn off the lights. We are still working on turning on the lights. I never understand why we expect dogs to learn how to live in a human world in minutes, but we give kids years to make mistakes and learn.
I have a small dog but I've helped neighbors with big dogs. I use a command that means heel basically that we use when needed but the walk is FOR THE DOG. Let the dog explore, sniff, pee on stuff. I never want my dog walking by my side. There are much better ways to get them exercise than a forced heel. I'm not a professional trainer. I have no formal training beyond fear free lessons I've taken with my own dog. But I've helped keep 70+lb "unruly" dogs at home, rather than returned to the shelter because the owner gave up. It can definitely be hard work. And results won't be "instant" but they will become second nature, they will become so strong in ways these methods never do.
@CodexPotter Exactly! The walk is for the dog. Dogs learn so much about their environment through their nose. My boy knows a lot and we have an amazing bond. It was not accomplished overnight. Some things took longer than others, and sometimes we have to take a step back. I love watching him think and learning how he communicates and learns.
You need to wake up this is the proof that more dogs are aggresive
@@janhendriksteyn2226 what?
I believe when he said you had to "do it five times harder" without a prong collar, he didn't mean you had to work harder, but use the corrections harder. As in, yank ("pop") really hard for adequate pain/discomfort in the dog, whereas with the prong collar, more pain/discomfort can be achieved with less effort. Sickening to think about... Especially if you see how hard he yanks even WITH the prong collar. ☹
That's even worse. That need to hurt...
YOU CAN FIX IT IN 10 MINUTES BUT THE DOG HAS BEEN IN THE PROGRAM 48 HOURS ALREADY
You can't even fix a car in 10 minutes. Definitely not a brain. 😂
11:32 - i have a friend with Alaskan Malamutes who had to learn force-free becayse her dogs don't care about punishment. Ironically with her dogs, the more she punishes, the more the dogs desire the thing she's trying to prevent
Haha. Like a child. All attention is good attention.
The degree of force used in training any animal is inversely proportional to the trainers level of competence
Looks like it.
Thank you for the video. Very important.
Do not stop, just because some people cannot hear the truth.
I think it is quite hard for people to accept that they did something bad to their dog. Better denying it and living a lie. Sadly that is what most humans do.
I think that if you truly love your dog than you try to be better each day and forgive yourself of the mistakes you did in the past.
Yes. No one is perfect but we should be open to learn.
What is baffling is why he NEVER tells the dog what he wants. He just expects the dog to read his mind. This is a problem with many so called "dog trainers" these days, they don't use their voices. They have forgotten to teach the dog english (or whatever language they speak) . Instead of teaching the dog what the words mean by using lure/reward training, and then simply saying "heel", "turn", "sit" or whatever he wants the dog to do because after teaching the dog what the words mean the dog will KNOW what is wanted of them, these so called "trainers" instead want to jerk the dog around on a prong collar, choke them with a choke chain, or shock them with a shock collar without ever telling the dog what is wanted of them. This is why the dog training industry needs to be regulated so people like this american standard guy can't dupe the general public into thinking his abusive methods are how a dog should be trained. It is so unfortunate that so many people these days don't actually use their voices anymore when training and handling their dogs, instead they are using abusive tools because this is what too many "trainers" are promoting. Yes, I know, I am preaching to the choir...
Thanks. We need more people like you to show that there are people, and many of them, who know that this method is not the way to train.
All animals learn on "x action = x result" it's not abuseive. If a dog isn't paying attention and runs out of leash because the owner stops, the dog realizes that when owner stops, leash stops me. The dog is now inclined to watch the owner and sense when he stops, I stop. It's not abusive it's basic learning 101. Stop crying about it.
Now tell me this, how do you positively train a dog not to go after poisonous toads without some sort of negative association with it? Are you really going to risk the life of your dog because your too weak to enforce some corrective actions?
you expect the dogs to understand english? 😂
in the REAL world you train the behavior and then attach a que word to said behavior. free tip for you there buddy
@@freddy5563 If you read my comment you would see that I explained how you teach the dog what the cue word means (ie, teach them english). Yes, dogs are very intelligent and you can teach them quite a large vocabulary.
Pretty sad, ngl. Almost 300 hundred video rants about how others do it badly, yet no video with you and a dog on a leash.
I criticize, not rent. I explain what's done wrongly. If you are looking for examples on how to do it right, check out Kikopup youtube channel.
Because using the contingencies of operant learning is beyond a former “ police officer” who can’t use anything else but fear and coercion 😂
Like you, I winced every time he yanked on that prong. Poor honey- plus she's a baby! Teach her what you WANT, not punish her for being a dog! Now take the collar and lead off and see how much she learned :(
Good video on your end, just painful to watch.
Thanks. Was also hard making it.
8:33 “the gentlest little pop” let the dog fly across the road…? geez, poor girl.
Yep. I actually said it myself but cut it during the editing.
He is not aware of body language, doesn't care. Not bonding with the dog, control freak. She is not itching but scratching. You can see her confused looking up at him expecting pain at any second. Panting, hot, don't know how long this video was from start to finish. Flooding and punishment. One trick pony only.
I have to admit that I only watched the videos I reviewed but sounds like he, and others like him, all think and act the same.
When I first started training dogs back in the 90's the prevailing wisdom around dog training was the Koehler Method; people wanted to dominate a dog into submission more than build a working relationship with their dog.
I've never been a fan of aversion training; with very few exceptions, and was kind of horrified to see recommendations of digging a hole and holding a dog's head under water if it shows aggression in Koehler's book.
I personally don't have an issue with slip leads and choke chains as a tool; where the problem is, is people abusing the tool with violent methods. It's crazy that Koehler method stuff still persists in today's dog training.
I never yank a dog in an opposite direction or even let them get in a position where they'd be able to bolt off and yank themselves. Equal pressure to what the dog is offering and immediate release of that pressure when they stop offering that resistance, in controlled environments, in short 5 - 10 minute training sessions; on an appropriately matured dog. That's really the only way you should ever see a choke chain or slip lead put to use on a companion dog, in my eyes.
The only justification I can see for a prong collar is with attack dogs; and you'd assume the handler would be experienced enough to not need one, but attack dogs are their own can of worms to discuss.
It sounds like you made a lot of progress and growth since you started. Sadly, even today the Koehler method persists despite the evidence that it should be avoided. Using prongs and chokes is the "tail" of this.
This is a retriever puppy, they are EAGER to please AND are sensitive dogs, I resent trainers like these. They will cause issues that didn’t even exist. Puppies pull, you need to teach them how not to pull. I am so angry watching this.
@@AD-vy7fb exactly!
What I do not understand is why trainers think a pet dog (not a police dog or a competition dog) need to have a perfect heel to be able to walk and be in public. They punish when the dog is still on loose leash but is not exactly in the dogs ear to trainers hip position.
You can train your dog to walk in a heel if you want, or just loose leash. Both are fine with me. Why do people think it's necessary? I guess for the same reason they think they need to be the "alpha"...
That is what I wonder, too. I walk my dog in order to satisfy his need for sniffing and seeing things so why should I not let him enjoy his walk? The only time I want him right by me is if we are on a busy road with lots of cars near by or lots of pedestrians (which does not happen often)
Because we’re not all fat asses who stay home 365 days 😂😂 we like trained dogs so we can travel the world with them 🫨
@@ElArabe979 wow the assumptions there.
That is hard to watch. So misguided but, unfortunately, many people will watch it and accept it at face value. Thank you for going through it and breaking it down for people with more helpful suggestions and training approaches.
With our current rescue dog (a GSP), we discovered my husband’s cancer came back right when he returned home with her and the treatments immediately made him very sick. I can’t walk her due to disability from car accidents so we found a dog walker who had great reviews. She loved him and he walked her for 3 years but then I came home early when my assessment was cancelled and saw, as I was approaching our house, that he was walking her with a choke collar. He explained she pulled too much and it hurt his back. I was not happy. I tried to work with him on training her but he wanted no part of it and quit. My husband was at a point where he could do some walking and started taking her. He has a Ph.D. In cognitive psychology but never took any learning theory/ behaviour modification courses. I tried to give him specific training input but he said he just wanted to try on his own. She’s a very smart dog who has learned everything within the home very quickly. It took him about a week to get her leash trained without the choke collar. When she pulled he would say NO PULL and then stop walking then say COME/SIT. She would come sit next to him and he would reward her with pets and praise. (She absolutely adores him and has been by his side from the start as he battled cancer despite being a high energy young dog.) They would start up and repeat it when she pulled again. He is very patient and understood that, at first, it would happen a lot. In no time she understood and was mostly compliant. She is also fearful and reactive (barking) in response to particular breeds (labs especially) so if he spots one ahead on the walking trail he will move off the trail and have her come sit next to his right as she has learned to do and distracts her. And he lets the owner know not to allow the dog to approach them. Ideally she needs to be better socialized with other dogs but with all that we were dealing with and him fighting for his life for so long, it just never happened. Apparently she was picked on a lot by these large labs at the rescue before we got her. Anyhow, I wanted to share this as an example of how they can learn with just common sense and patience even with someone who is not versed in formal training techniques. She has a history of abuse and is very sensitive so even when we say no we always make sure to say it in a neutral tone and never raise our voice or use an angry tone. Preferably, I prevent the behaviour like her begging from my Dad who has poor eyesight and doesn’t notice her putting her head right next to his tv dinner table. So if I see her getting too close, I just say « Kona…back it up girl » and she backs up. It’s my fault for saving her bits of food to give her at the end of my meal. I know, My Bad!
Thanks for sharing! This is important.
I would love to see you go head to head with Garret on training a dog. You don’t stand a chance. Dog Daddy is not a trainer. He is horrible. I’d like to see how you train a dog.
Dog daddy does exactly what this guy does.
@enjoythepour If you want to learn from a Garret, learn from Susan Garrett. She is actually amazing!
UI,I don't know what you say this. Actually I used this technique with my dog and not just fix the pulling problem in less than 10 minutes but it also helped him to be less fearful. I hope that other people watching this video reads this comment so they can help their dogs by watching @American Standard Dog Training. I don't feel I m learning anything with you so respectfully I will never watch any of your videos again, and I believe you are giving missinformation.... don't like it.
You "believe" I'm giving misinformation? What will convince you that I'm right? A book with references to the science? I can give you one.
I doubt this tbh. No behaviour is fixed in 10 minutes. It takes impulse control, understanding and awareness for a dog not to pull.
@@DrOrion IMO Dog training is an art, no science and it's build by experience no data. I'm super agree to be as gentle as posible with our dogs, but attacking trainers that give valuable info to people I think is a mistake.. I will ask you to show me more results than studies to believe you are legit.
@@strenghsGirl dog training is a ongoing process. My dog since I used that technique understands leash pressure when walking so if anytime he gets too excited I just need to do a gentle tap and he walks beautifully again. Try it and let me know if it works for you too.😉
@@carolmagallon6918 I did another training that is focused on awareness and positive reinforcement. My dog is not pulling on the leash. I called my dog back each time when she started to get so much focused on something that would lead to pulling the leash. And then she got kuddles and praise. The moment she was 100% focused on me I started walking again. It took her about 1h and then she never pulled again. Because in this 1h she tried everything: is this just when I want to go to a tree, just when the way is like xxx and so on. After 1h she generalized it and now I have a dog that can sniff and is being focused on me. This helps in many situations as well.
Agreed! Another great video, I wish it reached a lot more people
You and me both!
Ok. I get what you're saying.
But..... how about giving alternatives??!!!
All I hear is what NOT TO DO
Then you didn't really watch the video till the end.
4:20 - not sure why he has to mention prong collars are banned in European countries when slip collars (eg. martengales) are still allowed.
He is giving people the option. Haha
I'm from Germany so prong and electric shock collars are illegal. Martingale collars were primarily made for fearful dogs so they can't wiggle out of the collar but people now use it to choke their dogs. Slip collars and leashes here were usually used for dogs that already walked perfect on a leash but can't walk without a leash because of laws but now people use them to choke their dogs. I think slip leashes are a good training tool too as long as they're used correctly
@destroyer114 Yep. Slip leads are used for letting dog run free during agility or hunting in Finland as well, but there's no probition against metal chain slip collars, martingales etc. And the law banning prongs doesn't stop people from missing fabric slip collars.
My previous partner use slip leads on her dogs because she doesn't believe in collars and tags, only microchip.
Where's your videos
Here
The real problem here is that dogs need constant training, starting as early as possible. From 8 weeks and beyond. I know for a fact that the trainer showcased in this video is quite capable w large breed dogs and has achieved some very impressive outcomes w large dogs that are full of bad habits caused by lack of training from their owners. U, on the other hand just seem like a YT critic. Feel free to show us some examples of ur work w large breed protection level or slow level dogs & then maybe I'll take your advice seriously. I have a great cane corso & have learned a ton from American standard trainings videos & advice since I got him. I don't think u could handle training a large breed dog w ur methods
Thank you for watching.
These are so sad. The dog has no idea what she is supposed to do. His markings and reinforcements are in such bad timing. If people would spend half as much time teaching their dogs what to DO instead of focusing on what NOT to do, it would be so much simpler!
Exactly
Your funny 😂😂😂😂
I'm so relieved that there is someone pointing out the flaws in this type of adverse training!
Do you know what's really sad? He doesn't even think he is aversive.
@@DrOrion Not to mention these "solve" methods always bother me because I am a big believer in "new environment, new training"! That is throughout the dog's life!
Critiquing is one thing and showcasing is another. Which one are you?
Read the pinned comment
@@DrOrion I don't see a pinned comment, which comment are you referring to?
We love ur videos. Keep them coming ❤
I really appreciate you saying this. It's good to hear some nice things (positive reinforcement :) ) and not just the haters.
A tool using tools “correctly”
Haha.
are you trying to say Cesar Milan is a bad dog trainer? 😂
Watch the videos I made about him.
There are worse on his channel. The one where he’s “dialing in” an e- collar on a young German Shepherd named Gunny is really a show stopper!
That sounds horrible...
@@DrOrion it was for Gunny! Again, a young, curious dog who had no idea what was expected of him and Mr. Wing made no effort to communicate such. The only exception was to shock the dog for off target behavior..
Garrett has helped me.
I guess dogs understand him better than some people.
He uses treats and clickers to teach before other tools.
I think you are taking him out of context.
I'm not taking him out of anything. I'm reviewing a specific video. Thanks for watching.
Who shows good training??
Kikopup for example. There are others too.
You are just one of those talkers that have never trained a strong pulling dog. Positive dog training is killing dogs every day. Just mind your own business and don't talk about things you don't understand.
Not true on both statements you made.
Lol my puppy pulled more than this poor puppy - and is a golden too. Male and I’m not as strong as this guy. Guess what - I didn’t use ANY aversives and I’m not a dog trainer, I just love my dog enough to teach him with love. Have you heard of teaching with food? Or toys? Or praises? And attaching ques to it? Prong and shock is what mean,unkind, lazy, uneducated and cruel humans use. Look in the mirror and feel shame.
I suggest that you listen to your own advise and mind your own business and do not talk about thinks you do not understand.
He is quite literally a Dr in behavior lol, not positive dog trainer. I think he understands more than most trainers. Not a talker, an educator trying to educate pet owners how to properly handle your dog.
Not all dogs respond to positive training there is a place for all tools you just need to find what works for your dog pack dogs aren't to kind to each other when it comes to disipline you cant put human emotions on an animal
Ah the pack leader nonsense has joined the discussion 😂
Exactly
Ive always didn't like this "dog trainer" he literally doesn't know how to do anything without a prong collar
Him and many others like him.
Thanks! Cover words! I'm so glad you talked about that!
Thanks so much for the super thanks! I really appreciate it.
Not all dogs respond the same as others, each breed type is different. Some things work for some and some things just dont. Would I use this method on that breed probably not, but he is a former K9 police dog trainer, working with GSD and Mals. Sometimes a little history is important to understand where someone is coming from, not to mentions his personal dogs are Cane corsos. Knowing all methods and tools is where you will get results. Some ppl are too sensitive and only care about their own narrative.
I disagree. The fact the a person worked somewhere and did things like he was taught to do, doesn't make it right. On the other hand, thousands of researches, veterinary behaviorist, and probably hundreds of thousands of reward based trainers showed the the reward based method is always safer and better. Thank you for watching.
I think that is a weak argument. The trainer from Cypress Arrow who abused the cane corso with a whip is a not a good trainer only because "she has a history and came from so and so" Training with pain is abuse!
I had a police dog that ran away. Those ass holes treat dogs like shit.
@@Itsa-Mess welp you can't really compare apples to fecal matter. So I say the same to you, weak argument. What those women did to those dogs is not the same as this video. Just like how dogs are not cookie cutter versions of eachother. I'm not going to get into a huge explanation of this because of how long it will take and I don't need to defend myself on the internet to someone I don't even know.
@@DrOrion you disagree with what?
This guy is a joke
Which one?
Ur a vet not a trainer
A vet behaviorist. You should google it.
Your videos are not useful at all bro and obviously it doesn't work with a high drive head pack leader working breed .
@@ranaivoandrisoamiandritian6174 check my video about the alpha theory, because you mentioned the pack BS.
No real value in this video. Just a bunch of complaining. I’d like if you actually mentioned techniques on how to train instead of what American standard is doing besides “give rewards”. Teaching a heel without the use an aversive would be very technical and a long process. Please make a video showing how to do so and provide some real value. If you did, you might have more subscribers.
I did actually explain how. Watch the video again.
If you don’t understand how reinforcement works you should google it 😊
So you admit that it is possible without aversive measures, it just would be a "long and technical process". Even the guy in the video admits it, it is entirely possible to teach these things force free, it just takes time and effort. So using aversives essentially cuts corners, whilst also weakening the bond with you and your dog, I'd say it's better for owners to take the time to have fun with training their dog, have that bond build and end up with the same result.
@@babelfish311 I think with some dogs it’s possible and with others it’s not. Some dogs just have more drive towards other things than constant treats. If the dog values a smell, squirl, interaction with something else more than the treat, then they will pull in that direction UNLESS it is communicated to them that they cannot do that behavior. Corrections are that communication. I don’t agree 100% with the way it was taught in this video but I think this video provides little to no value besides someone complaining about what shouldn’t be done and very little mention of what should be done.
@@DrOrion you barely tough on it. Not enough to thoroughly educate someone on the proper technique,
And I don’t want to watch you complaining again so no thanks.
American standard dog training does an amazing job with the dogs that he teaches and the way he teaches those dogs with things like prong collars, choke chains and electric collars. They are good tools if they are used properly and he is using them properly and he’s not using an excessive amount of power when he’s pulling on the leash to correct a dog behavior so there is nothing wrong with it and there’s nothing wrong with the way he trains his dogs. His dogs are well mannered and they listen.
Yes. Fear and pain can make it look like listening...
@@DrOrion their not fearful and their not in pain dogs need bad behavior corrected and some dog won’t correct that behavior with something like telling them no. Some dog need more than just that to get them to behave
@@Faceless4548teach correctly then there is zero reason to “correct” any normal natural behaviour
@@simonmitchell5801 yes teach that’s what he’s doing is teaching the dogs what is allowed and what is not allowed
@@Faceless4548 a dog “trainer” who has no idea how a dog learns 👍