For those of you that are irritated by this video and think I am hating on the CFMoto Ibex 450 here is a link to a channel full of shorts of the Ibex 450 to get you excited. www.youtube.com/@Motorbike_Engineering176
Don’t let um get to u bud I understand your video completely so I had to go on a hole rabbit hole search and make sure things have changed as this video is 7 months old and I have found parts but from china as well I appreciate your video and agree I’m excited for the bike but understand it’s not going to be better than t7 but looks to be a great budget and entry bike into the adventure lifestyle.. 🤙
@prestonmason9717 thanks for the support. Inhave also checked for parts a few times and have not found much more. This bike has not been cleared for sale in the United States yet due to emissions issues. It will be even longer before parts start being made here.
Nobody cared or even knew about the ibex 800. Lots of people are excited about the 450. The new transalp has been out for a year and there’s plenty of aftermarket parts already. The ibex 450 is going to sell like crazy.
Probably because the Ibex 450 is a game-changer in its class. The 800 already had a lot of competition with very similar offerings in its class, the 450 doesn't with the closest being the new Himalayan 452 and the Kove 450. But it stands out in the 450 class as the only one currently with a 270 degree parallel twin and tubeless spoked rims out of the box at a relatively affordable pricepoint.
I have had a CF Moto ATV since 2018 when a friend recommend it, his is 2017 no trouble what so ever to this point. As for after market support try more European countries I got a great full skid plate from Iron Baltic they had aluminum and composite materials as option's. CF Moto has been around alot longer in other countries, makes sense they have more aftermarket support.
The Ibex 450 is the hottest ADV bike on the horizon. I have a deposit down on the first one my local dealer gets. They are not scheduled to be released till Fall at the earliest, so how could aftermarket companies develop parts without a bike as a template ? The smart companies will jump on it ASAP.
I agree with Donnie. This is going to an amazing machine 👍🏼 I’ve also put a deposit on the 450. Delivery in my country,(Australia), starts at the end of March, then followed by shipments in April and May, which have all been pre-sold. There is so much interest in this bike around the world, that I expect after market parts for this to spring up pretty quickly . There is no other bike from the mainstream manufacturers which comes close to the Ibex 450 (called the MT450 in Aus) as far as features go, for the price. I can’t wait 🏍️
@advmatt I'm looking at the growing Chinese motorcycle industry the same as in the 1960's and 70's when the Japanese Big 4 were just getting started. At those times, no one else was producing the bikes the market was needing. Simple, light, user friendly, dependable and inexpensive bikes. The Big 4 eventually replaced all the other European and US makes. Puch, Bultaco, CZ, Maico, Jawa all were winning world championships up until then. In the U.S. Hodaka comes to mind. Times are changing and I'm excited to see it happen. I don't factor politics into my ideas about motorcycles.
@@donnieyoung2774 great insight. I am interested to see if the Ibex 450 hits the mark. It weighs almost as much as a T7 with much less HP. The price might be the deciding factor.
Interesting take on both the CFMoto bikes… no opinion is wrong… For your consideration… - CFMoto Ibex 800T: This may be marketed as an Adventure bike; however, in practical terms it only looks like one in that it has upright seating. It has an engine designed by KTM that has been used in KTM’s adv bikes. That doesn’t make the 800T an adv bike. It’s primarily a paved road bike that would likely be fine for good, unpaved surfaces (places a Prius could safely go), although you could take it anywhere your skill level allows. With regard to after market parts there really isn’t anything that is needed that CFMoto hasn’t already put on the bike. You might consider the lower crash bars which match the installed uppers, and possibly a tall seat - both of which CFMoto will sell you for a low price. A deflector might be all that is needed on the OEM wind screen. Now if you want to buy the bike to ride it like you have rode your 390 or Tenere in similar places, I’m in 100% agreement after market support is weak or non existent. If you did want this bike to ride places you show in your videos, you’d have to ask yourself why. There are so many better choices, one of which you already own. - CFMoto Ibex450: I have no idea what CFMoto will include on it. It is likely they will provide desired parts for protection. At the projected cost of $6500 you might consider if it’s worth it to add lots of protection. Evaluate the skid plate it comes with and add a set of Tusk or Barkbuster handguards. What else do you really need? I’m excited to see these new CFMoto bikes and others such as the new Royal Enfield Himalayan. Bike manufacturers haven’t been giving consumers many options, especially price conscious ones. India and China have a lot to offer. Japanese and European bike makers need to wake up and meet their new competition.
Tim, Matt has a 390 Adventure and he bought a Tenere. And he owned a GS. So we know Matt, despite owning the best value small ADV will buy anything! 😅 - Frank
I,ve got your Ibax 800 22 model the first model that came out. I agree its not the best single trail bike out there but you have to consider the fact that many people have to ride 2 or 3 hours to get anywhere off road. I have ridden through central Australia off road soft sand and mud and it can do it, but not like a KTM500 so you have to be mindful of what you are riding and mindfully of your skill level and don,t go anywhere where you are not going to get out of. I have done single trail rutted mountain stuff with big wash aways and its not much fun on this bike but I can do it with a huge fear factor. I am looking forward to the release of the kove 800 x that has a similar motor but weighs 60 kg less. There is no one bike does all. I reject the idea that this bike can only go where a prius can drive. Obviously, the person that suggested this has a low skill level and does not know what they are talking about. I live in Australia which is a tiny market compared with America. Ive traveled 14000 ks on my ibex800 and have not a had a problem. . There are lots of spares available from ali express that are cheap and of reasonable quality. Don't forget the swing arm and motor are all KTM. Brake pads are easy to get.
@@peterprzywara5258 You can take that bike anywhere you like, and I applaud you for it. There are much better choices for difficult terrain. You as much said so yourself. Just for a one bike comparison, In the US you can buy a Tenere for about the same price - a much better choice if your focus is on mud, sand, rocks, and where goats only go… That same Tenere will be more than adequate for the highway to get you to your dream destination.
Well I made the jump! Sold my KTM 390 Adv and bought the new CFMOTO 450MT! Fantastic bike that suits me perfectly. Heaps of parts and accessories coming out, but because of how popular this bike has been the suppliers can’t keep up with the demand. The 390 was a great bike, but the 450MT kills the 390 in what you get for your money. Don’t forget CFMOTO own 51% of KTM and they are now manufacturing for Yamaha. Problem also with the 390 I had spend a lot of money get to function as an adventure bike. With 450MT it’s ready to go, off the showroom floor! If you like spending money then there’s crash bars top and bottom, skid plates, taller seat, slip on exhaust etc. Over 400 were pre sold in Australia before they hit our shores. There’s still back orders to filled. I was lucky to get one! No regret purchasing this bike at all. Oh first service will be way cheaper than the KTM as well.
Glad you like the bike. Here in the states I think this bike will take time to be adopted and for aftermarket companies to start making parts. Glad parts are available for you. I hope this bike lives up to your expectations. Cheers.
Nice MC if wet wt. was actually as light as. KTM 390 adventure, but similar to the new Hond NX 500. So why bother with this bike when a new Honda NX 500 is less risky ?
I agree. I don't think this bike brings anything to table except a small entry price. It weighs almost as much as a T7 or Tuareg, has the same power as the 390 Adv and will need to be modified to carry us full size riders. Maybe it will be a hit.
I ordered the 450 today and asked for the crash bars and big front mud cover (should also be available). Modding the bike in Europe kind of makes you lose the warranty. In my country they offer 5 years warranty. So i'll keep also an old DR 350 for the woods and mods :)
People keep saying the Kove 450 has aftermarket support. sure but a simple search shows 90% of the aftermarket support is Chinese made accessories from Aliexpress, Amazon, Ebay etc. Very little are from N America or Europe.
@@MotoCampAdv I haven't seen these companies you mentioned jump on the CFMoto wave yet either. It's not racist to disagree with the way another country is ran. China is a communist country with a history of human rights violations. For those that make purchasing decisionsand aftermarket parts manufacturing decisions based on their politics is solely their decision. This is not racism.
@@MotoCampAdv you are right about India, and I am now very aware of these national repression issues, not just in Canada but in the UK. At the time I purchased my KTM from India I was not familiar with those issues and yes I have purchased products from India for my bike. Nearly every motorcycle is compromised of Chinese and Indian parts. It's nearly impossible to buy any vehicle without parts from these countries. Look at any BMW and you will also find many parts from China. We just need to be careful mixing political ideology with racism. These are not the same issues. I am sure there are people out there that won't buy products from India due to the repression of dissidents, same as people will avoid buying parts from China because the government is communist. I am only trying to different between racism and politics. I try not to get involved in politics or political discussions and let everyone make their own choices without judgement. If you disagree with me than that is your choice. I am not trying to justify anything either way. Just reporting what I see. I have never said don't buy Chinese bikes, I only was informing potential buyers of issues that could be encountered due to a lake of support developing for these bikes. Ultimately it's up to the buyer to make their own decision.
@@advmatt I'm not calling you a racist. I understand your perspectives. But there is definitely a prominent amount of racism in this industry. If you do some research you'll see it is true . A lot of stereotyping and resistance to "Jap" bikes when they entered the market . The same thing is happening in this case is all I am saying. Stereotyping to me seems a bit race based but I'm just some half asian dude so it's just my opinion.
How much is Kove paying you these days. Your channel is nothing but infomercials. What do you think about the founder leaving the company? And what aftermarket companies are making Kove stuff? Do you mean the guy in his kitchen grinding out timing keys?
Having a Dealer network and aftermarket support is important to me . Maybe things will change with time so I will be waiting on the side lines for now . Right now we have some great choices with more to come from well know manufacture’s .
Frank is right, there are a lot CFMoto dealers. I stopped in mine this week. The dealership was not excited about a new adventure bike from CFMoto, the Ibex 800 did not sell well. Maybe the 450 will be different.
@@advmatt It’s too expensive for a first offering Adv bike especially when it really is just a tourer. I suspect there is a lot of apprehension about it being Chinese also. I test rode one at a demo event and was very impressed with it. Easy to ride, and quicker than my VStrom1000.
@@advmattibex 800 has the same problem as the vstrom 800 de it's too heavy to be in the middleweight adventure bike class . The result is poor sales .
I think many people are excited for this bike; many of which will never do any serious off road riding. Rather they will use it for a on road utility bike. If you are a hard core adventure rider, you are probably looking at more suitable options that are well established with boat loads of aftermarket support. With that said, I would be more than happy to ride this on the street and some occasional gravel and dirt roads. It comes with enough bits and bobs to suit me. Just my 2 cents.😊
Agreed. For the riding you have planned it might be perfect. I am not sure how it will fair riding out west in the U.S. where roads turn rocky without notice.
Hopeful companies see the potential in the 450 market and get on it! I know my dealer is excited to get them in. I'm still holding out for that 390 adventure r.....
I dare to differ from you. MT450 was launched in Australia this week and all items you mentioned are already available. There are 500 pre-launch orders for this one model in Australia at a launch price of USD5187 (AUD7990). That kind of volume will get dealerships and the aftermarket industry moving very quickly - too many potential sales to ignore and only 20% of the price of a 2024 BMW 1300GS. (For context our total population is only 7% of the USA population). Just my own opinion, but you might be surprised at the offtake of this bike and the Royal Enfield Himalayan 452 (same price).
I have been seeing the huge interest in this bike. It appears CFMoto has made a large lineup of parts for this bike. It seems the reviews that are starting to come out like the bike, but like all bikes, it won't be everyone. When suspension tuners start working on this bike then you know it is being taken seriously. In the U.S. market I think it will take awhile for it to catch on.
This was a major issue I had with a GPX Moto I owned a few years, in fact, most of "OEM parts" didn't fit or work well. It was maddening to get anything for the bike, I imagine this is the case for most China bikes.
There is a huge difference from GPX and CF Moto...CF Moto is a legitimate manufacturer and will offer many parts for the MT/Ibex 450. As for the aftermarket, if it sells well they will join.
Truth! I had to modify some Altrider foot pegs for my ibex.... However I get a set of Double Take Adventure mirrors, Barkbusters, luggage system through Shad... modified my shift lever.... added a windshield extender... so far really not that bad.
I dont think thats a big issue, you can get accesories for another bike and adapt them, worst case have a skilled local metal shop do bars & skip plate not that complicated for experienced mechanics. IMO the elefant in the room for this chinesse bikes is the steep resell depreciation.
The 450mt has similar specs in power & weight as a KLR650 but you wont have problems finding dealers or after market parts for the kawasaki. But the market should grow over time.
I agree, the aftermarket support will come around, but it might take several years. It took several years for aftermarket support to arrive for the KTM 390 Adventure.
You are absolutely correct about aftermarket support, I think there will be good support for this bike (if it rides OK and is a good price) within a few months, the other thing to consider now is China's economy is really bad, a lot of major companies are going to the wall, it seems to be more of a problem with electric vehicles rather than motorcycles, but it is something to keep an eye on.
China is going through its first real major economic downturn in decades. CF Moto's Share price is down 30.42% in one year, I would be very cautious about buying a Chinese brand of Car, less so a Motorcycle.@@OneOldManRiding
As an AJP PR7 owner (less than 500 bikes built per year) it is possible to find aftermarket parts. Luckily the most important parts (skidplate, footpegs) are good, others are industry standard, but all parts which require replacement (wheel spacers, luggage rack) are available. Some of them are made by small companies, some by owners, but if a bike is sold for a few years and it has a enthusiastic followers after market parts will be available. It could take a few months, but someone will see the demand and make parts... Other: the hype is really big about this bike and I think most people will be a disappointed especially if they are coming from bigger / larger capacity bikes.
I agree with you. Reviews are starting to trickle in and they seem luke warm. They are saying nice things but not with enthusiasm I have seen from other bike reviews.
Hey Matt I found a site that carries limited parts for ibex 800 it’s CFMOTO USA parts operated by Curren RV just letting you know thanks for the info vid I am interested in the Ibex 450 waiting to also see the MSRP
Hey Matt good points here. However I dont think a lot of people care. Some want the 450MT so bad they can taste it. lol The following here for the 450MT in Australia is pretty big and growing. The 450MT stock has a lot more going for it that the 390 at the moment. Maybe other companies outside of the USA are looking to produce parts, especially from China. The other side of the coin is you will save shitloads of money by not buying crap you dont need! 🤣😂
Honestly, the 390 Adv was a bit of a pain to find things for when I got my 2020. Especially the spoked wheels. I'm looking forward to the 450 coming out and plan on at least taking it for a spin to see how it feels. I think if a lot of people jump onto this platform if won't be long for accessory companies to jump on too. On the flip side maybe this will rekindle the 490, which was the only bike I really wanted to see happen. I loved my 390, but I so looking forward to the 490. I was hoping the 490 would fix a few of the things I thought could have been better on the 390.
I am with you. I am back to being on the fence with the 450. I would have been first in line for a 490, but now that I have been on a long trip on my T7 I don't think the 450 will do it for me. Weight is close to the T7 and power is around the 390. Not inspiring. There may only be a small community of adopters for this bike.
@@advmattwith KTM killing the 490 with the Indian manufacturer I have a funny feeling the CFMoto 450 is the KTM 490 engine that was supposed to happen due to the new CFMoto KTM partnership.
You might be right. However, suspension work always seems to be necessary for stock bikes. I don't see options for this. Seats are common changes as well. Maybe this little Ibex 450 will be such a success all the aftermarket companies will jump in.
Have you looked into the 790adv aftermarket. I’m sure a lot of those parts will fit the 800. As the duke 790 aftermarket parts fit the 800nk. 2nd thought: You build your own stuff a lot of times with these Chinese bikes. The only reason the hawk 250 has the aftermarket it does is because of guys like me buying one and building it themselves.
I don't think anything from the 790 Adv will fit this bike. Forks are different diameters, shocks are different lengths and the tank design for a skid plate is completely different. CFMoto is releasing their own line of products for this bike. Buyers will have to go with factory parts for awhile.
@@advmatt I understand I don’t know that much about the 790. But I do know a lot about bs china bikes and how to make them last a long time and make quality parts for them. Admittedly not your average wrencher considering I’ve sand cast CG 250 and 300 jugs and cases in my own backyard lol. 😂
Very true! I went to a Honda dealership to look at a few bikes, they also sell other makes but the manager who has worked there for 20 years told me to reconsider the crf300L and to buy the CFmoto Im not sure if i should take his recommendation seriously or not because they're 2 different bikes in my eyes (adv vs dual sport) plus it will be my first bike and i think the cf will be too heavy for me to pick up multiple times if i drop it offroad (which i dont think the places i want to take the cf is made for unlike the crf)
I think you are totally wrong with your prediction. The CFMOTO 450MT will be bike of the year. There is way to much hype for aftermarket companies to not take notice and see the opportunity to make some money. Touratech/SW-Motech and all the other big brands will have accessories within a month of it's release. Remember my post ☺️
We will see, I am not so sure about that. Availability will have a huge impact. Ibex 450 won't see U.S. market until end of 2024. It will delay any aftermarket efforts here. There are a lot of bikes coming. We will see which ones win out.
That is why you watch it for a year. The Kove 450 has aftermarket companies starting to make accessories. It is in high demand because the sales are through the roof. What you failed to mention is that the Ipex 800 comes with the accessories you need. From the pictures, it appears to have crash bars, skid plate and luggage rack. Handguards are generally a universal fit item.
Factory skid plates rarely are sufficient for offroad riding. If the Ibex 450 really hits the mark then in about two years there should be plenty of parts. Early buyers may be frustrated trying to do any modifications, like stiffer springs for the suspension.
@@advmatt the factory skid plate on the 800T is pleeenty for the type of riding it is actually designed to do...lol many of us just want a bike that works as-is. if you want to crush single track and rocks go buy a dirt bike and a van
@@SummitCoyote the sections of BDRs I that I have ridden have plenty really big rocks that bash the underneath of my bikes. Its not single track and more than your average forest roads. I just don't see that CFMoto bikes are going to be 'The bikes', well except for the CFMOTO KTM 790 Adventure. Not sure which company gets credit for that one.
@@advmatt there are videos of BDR runs on the 450 already...it keeps up with the 790 offroad. There are already plenty of parts for it you just need to look outside the US right now. oh and you can do all those mods you mentioned and still come in cheaper than a stock 790 lol
Yeah, new bike and no aftermarket have access to them yet. Check back in 6 months after the launch and see if this is still true. If it’s a very popular bike, aftermarket will support it, if it isn’t, it won’t have a strong 3rd party support
I was thinking the same about the Kove 450 and there are tons of stuff coming out.. I wouldn't expect anything to the MT450 yet as the bike is not even out yet... This isn't a CRF.. but I bet there will be some stuff in the next year after it is out..
Thats good. I know every bike I have owned needed new fork and shock springs. I weigh more than typical bike setup, as do most riders I know. I hope there will be stiffer fork and shock springs available for heavier riders. Most stock skid plates are pretty thin. Maybe this bike will come with a more equipped skid plate to handle rocky conditions. It really depends on how you use the bike on whether or not it will work for you.
@advmatt a majority of the people who upgrade their bikes never ride it stock to it's limit. I'll never understand buying a cheap bike and sinking 1000's into it to make it perform like another bike that would've cost and performed the same at the end of it. Not saying there isn't a place for the aftermarket, but to the majority of riders, they don't need it. Guess this is also why there are so many bikes for sale with 1000's in upgrades and under 2000 miles on the bike.
@@rolandvenne7419 yeah, I agree. Marketing hype can get riders wrapped up in upgrades. I have spent thousands on my KTM 390 Adventure making it the bike I needed it to be, but I have almost 30k miles on it. The upgrades on that bike are what I do with almost every bike I ride. Most riders will be fine with the Ibex 450 in its stock form, but some of us won't be. This bike will likely not be right for more hard-core riders if aftermarket support doesn't emerge.
Waiting for the versys 450x. So far kawasaki has not really come out with a tenere competitor and they are late to the party. I am really hoping they go the small adv route with the 450.
Here in Europe, CFMOTO already selling quads, SSV, etc. So there are distributors. Also on facebook, a lot of group is formed around the 450 MT. So this could quickly change... But yeah, any sea route disruption (Suez canal) can cause supply issues.
You might be correct. I think in certain parts of the world it will be successful. I am not sure it will be in the United States. Riders here a different bunch. The suspension will have to be upgraded for all us heavy riders and the bike is carrying some weight. The bike hasn't made to the U.S. yet, so we will see what happens here.
It is surprising how slow the ADV aftermarket is for the CFMoto bikes. Their ATV's and SxS's seemed to have a lot more effort from parts manufacturers and distributors.
I agree. CFMoto ATVs seem to be everywhere, but I never see CFMoto bikes. It may take time before we see the motorcycle aftermarket world jump onto CFMoto bikes.
You will get aftermarket parts once the 450 hits the streets. Consider that the first year or two is a guinea pig period, where they will polish out teething issues with the help of early adopters. By 2026, this should be a polished product and the aftermarket will catch up
@@advmatt we will see what the riders have to say after 20-30 thousand miles. I personally think this bike is exactly what the market needs, even though I haven't seen one in person yet :-)
The 450 is going to break the market. It's so much more than the Himalayan 2. It will be our first Chinese bike that we are excitedly waiting for and ready to buy as soon as it comes out. To the GS fat guys, I'm going to send greetings from the top, where they can't get to.... and back, on the mt 450 we can also go for coffee and pick up women. That's life. Full of surprises.
You are certainly enthusiastic about the Ibex 450. The price keeps it competitive but the weight is close the Tenere 700 and the power is much lower. It will be interesting to see if this will have the expected impact.
@@advmatt Power without control is useless. Where I go, there are very few pilots who arrive in Ténéré. In fact, I've only seen one...and he was one of the good ones. Yes, the Yamaha looks good...but when you are going through a segment full of rocks, at less than 10 km/h...you appreciate the seat of the mt at 820. And when you are at 3000 meters in the mountains, you appreciate the tubeless tires, the 17.5 liter tank, and the KYB suspension. J Juan brakes, 44 hp, 44 NM.....and all this package for that price? And besides: it's not an MV...but in finishes, the cf moto is already at the level of any Japanese.
Before I watch, I reckon that if 450mt is as heavy as 700 tenere it does not make sense to buy. Not considering aftermarket support and reliability concern.
Its nice to have a new player in the market and cf moto seem to be listening to the masses ...smaller bikes..but apart from the twin motor they seem to have missed the mark..why is it so heavy?..they keep mentioning the 175kg dry weight like this is a good thing wet this will be approaching tenere weight with little power...20kg heavier than a 390 adventure with less power 🤷🏼♂️
It took me a bit to come to terms that the 390 ADV I was about to buy was built in India. Fortunately, after owning and riding it for 3 years, the bike turned out to perform well, though the budget nature of the fit and finish is apparent. At least the bike has the KTM name behind it. I know when I go to sell it, that name recognition will help. It would be a MUCH bigger leap for me buy a Chinese brand. The truth is that resale on Chinese bikes is terrible. They simply do not have a reputation for reliability, support, etc in N America. If you buy a CF Moto, just know you’re likely to take it on the chin when you go to sell it.
I couldn't find a Givi windscreen, only handguards. I checked out there website. Windscreens are not much. I had hoped to find pannier racks, skid plates and custom crashbars. None to be found from my research.
@@advmatt I'm sure more will come though. The 450 will most likely sell better than the 800 . I wouldn't be surprised to see aftermarket parts from places like Thailand , Philippines, and India.
Aftermarket has not started making things for this brand simply because they are unsure if there will be enough consumers purchasing the motorcycles. The same can be said about the Royal Enfield Himalayan. This companies are competing with massive brands from the Japanese and European. Come to think about it I have not seen any aftermarket support for the Harley PanAmerica, outside of in house support. I think that will change soon
Give it a chance, mate! It's a new bike, very much in demand. The after market will catch up, fast. Cfmoto has already made a hit with side by sides, and ATV's, and tgey have lots of support.
Yeah, maybe. We will see. It really seems to be an upgraded CB500X. The weight to power ratio is one area that concerns me. The need for stiffer springs and a suspension upgrade may take some time. I will keep a close eye on it.
@@advmatt my only gripe is it's weight. The Kove 800 adventure could be more worth it in this respect. Lighter, and more powerful. But all is speculation, at the moment. We need a few months of proper testing to see the salt, or not, of these bikes.
Well maybe us americans need to pony up and start making some aftermarket parts for the bike, like custom skid plates and foot pegs springs. I imgaine the forums for the bike are going to be full of creative people coming up with solutions that get the ball rollling on making it more offroad capable. If these bikes sell as well I expect them it could have a big following behind.
Not the same here in the U.S. when I filmed this there were no aftermarket parts from third party vendors. I don't count factory parts as aftermarket. Maybe this bike will do well.
Like that fake plastic rock at the end, we have one too where i stay as well, like the cf Moto the heavier weight would help it not be blown around in the wind as much 👍
Thanks for pointing out! But I am pretty much sold on the 450. I live in Medellin Colombia I will buty the options that CF moto has. Here labor is cheap. Would love the T7 if I could at least get both of the balls of my feet down. bcs here is is super hillie even in the city and will could vave a slant too. at awerging place or a stop sign. Hopfully is sucessful and the third party will jump in. Here I get penalized on all motos 30% tarriffs Crazy. but save $$ in other aspects of life!
I think for some area of the world and some riders this bike will be perfect. For other areas I don't think it will be as successful. The reviews are coming in on the bike now. The reviewers are saying nice things so far, but it has been a real test. A twin cylinder will be good in this size.
If you ride a lot of single track or really rough jeep trails the twins can be a real handful. I hope this new 390 Adv delivers. The spy shots sure make it look it good.
@@sayithigher yeah it should but this bike is still not available in the United States. There is an emissions issue that, to my knowledge, hasn't been resolved. A huge market is still missing.
I see parts from Ali Express and CF Moto. It looks like Cross Pro made some crash bars. I don't see where any other companies have jumped in. A quick search I did for crash bars and skid plate did not reveal any of the big aftermarket companies have started making parts yet.
I think the aftermarket companies are waiting to see how many bikes are sold before investing in parts development. If a lot of bikes sell then the aftermarket will be there.
You are searching wrong internet sites for aftermarket products..... They exist , but you need to know where to look . Actually it is Harley and Indian who don't have aftermarket products - so people are not buying them here in Europe.....
ADV Matt needs to do some better research me thinks. Look at the extensive list of super cheap accesories (except hard panniers) CFMoto have listed. I can fully farkle a 450 MT for under $1500, actually under $1k.
Only from CFMoto. Third party support may not exist, limiting your choices of aftermarket parts. Not all aftermarket parts are made equally and there are design differences that have different appeals. In contrast do a little research on the Yamaha Tenere 700 and see how many companies make parts for it. Just trying to bring awareness to some limitations.
The 390 Adv might be lacking in a few areas but it makes up for it in power to weight ratio, overall power and overall weight. It can be a great bike for a majority of Adventure riders seeking a smaller light weight package.
Have to disagree here. This bike is the upgrade to CRF300 Rally which sells great, and the Ibex already has almost everything u need. If u need handguards, tires, luggage anything will fit. I prefer the oem plastic skidplates for noise, but any metal one can fit with a little handy man skill. Kove is ripped off China junk, period. Been there dont that and they DONT have aftermarket support, its just Honda/KTM expired copyright parts that RMATV put under that category.
I have looked at some of CFMoto's bikes in person and I was impressed with the build quality. I wasn't able to ride any of them but they looked pretty good. As a typical North American rider I weigh much more than any bike of a showroom is setup to handle. I think getting the suspension set up for heavier riders with new springs and maybe a replacement shock might be a challenge. For lighter riders, it might not be a problem at all. As for the bits, well that tends to be personal preference. I ride in very rocky conditions and a substantial skid plate is really important to me, but we all have our own requirements for bike protection. Hope you enjoy the bike.
@@advmatt Im not in the market for an ADV bike anymore, sticking with my dual sports but IF I were this 450 would be the one I was after. A lot of people are very interested in it.
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Serious Maker guys make their own parts such as skid plate or etc. CF moto engines are KTM engines. People relies on this fact.
Not all CFMoto engines are KTM replicas. The 450 parallel twin CFMoto is using is their own design, not a KTM engine.
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@@advmatt cf moto is technology partner of KTM. Design and engineering offices are common. Moreover CFMOTO and Yamaha have reached an agreement to have a joint venture recently.
I think you'll have to post an update after it is released in the USA. ALL NEW BIKES have delays in getting accessory parts. It happened to the T-7 and it will happen to all new bikes. I think your title is click bait. This is the first video I've watched of yours, but if this is your take, I'm not so sure I'll watch others. Your title and take are a put off - seems like a scare tactic. You are 100% wrong that the T-7 had lots of aftermarket stuff when it first came out...
@@motourge3061 once the 450 MT makes it to the states we will see how the aftermarket support comes along. Here in the states the T7 arrived much later than any where else. There was a lot of aftermarket parts available when it did arrive. I have seen a reluctance from U.S. aftermarket parts manufacturers to embrace Chinese bikes. There are not a lot of parts available. Here in the states we are heavy riders and the suspension of the 450 MT will need am immediate upgrade, like all bikes do. That might be challenging for non-standard fork sizes and shock. Before anyone puts moneybout for this bike theybsgoukd look to see what parts are available. I hate see any rider buy a bike then not be bale to setup for thier type of riding. Your choice on what you watch. If your interest is in the 450 MT you won't find any more content here. If you ride adventure bikes you will find lots of content on the KTM 390 Adventure, Yamaha Tenere 700, Aprilia Tuareg 660 and older content on the BMW R1200GS and F800GS. There is too much content available to watch anything from a creator you don't like. Cheers.
I’m sure the bike is fine. But when I purchase anything, like for instance the water hose I bought the other day, I research it to see if I can get something that isn’t manufactured in China. I’m a big fan of Taiwanese products. I always try to purchase from something manufactured in a democracy. I understand my phone is made in China, I have heard all the arguments. I just go for harm reduction wherever I can. I am not against Chinese people, and I am not saying all Chinese products are bad. I am just saying that the CCP is an authoritarian dictatorship. I wish Chinese people were free, because China could be the greatest nation in the world if it were not for the Communist Party of China.
Some people may not even be aware of that. And some people definitely don’t care! But at least be informed so you can make a decision you feel good about.
Make decisions on what you believe in. I understand exactly where you are coming from. It's really hard to buy anything with out some of it being sourced from China.
@@advmatt well, like I said, harm reduction. You can buy less things made in China. Especially a big ticket item like a motorcycle, but really anything. I will research my hat and underwear before purchasing. There’s almost always a product from any democracy. The more you can avoid the CCP, the more it opens up opportunities for democratic countries’ products. Sure, some items on any product may be sourced from China. But buying less makes a difference. Look up a false dichotomy. There is a spectrum of harm in doing almost anything. I get it, I am not rich. Chinese bikes are cheaper. But I would rather save my money for something later, or buy used just to support democracy. It’s obviously much more important to me than most people though. I am against the CCP and dictatorships. Most people simply don’t care. Anyway, I have respect for you. I don’t want to argue with you. But I don’t think there’s an argument for purchasing from a dictatorship. There are certain things I do that I know are wrong, and I do them anyway and just own up to it. I am not a perfect person myself.
@@advmatt my point is that harm reduction can be achieved. Just like a waste footprint or calorie consumption. It’s a false dichotomy to say that because many products come from China, it’s just a free-for-all and you should then just feel free to buy whatever. Especially with big ticket items in my opinion, but really any item. I don’t know why youtube deleted my last comment. I didn’t say anything offensive or curse. I simply made my point which I am willing to listen to any rebuttal. I probably said some trigger word or something
I know for a fact there are wumao that watch videos like this and will try to flag comments claiming racism. That’s why I made it clear that the problem isn’t with Chinese people, this is about the CCP.
Not at all. I was initially really excited about this bike but then I began to realize I may not be able to build it out the way I want it, which is a problem. It also weighs nearly as much as a T7 with 30+ less horsepower. This video was made to provide awareness, not discourage anyone from buying.
I don't think so. These are things to think about before purchasing that are not always considered until it's too late. Exuberance can cloud our vision and not take all factors into account. I was really excited about this bike until I really started looking into it and CFMoto bikes. There will be really happy buyers and some with remorse. An informed decision is better. It was meant to prompt potential buyers to do their own research before buying to make an informed purchase.
just an attention seeking video. there's plenty of them on youtube sadly. bike isnt't even in shops yet that i know of. cfmoto are a massive company and it's well known now. the video is full of nothing in reality. theres an importand factor, i'll get into that in a minute...(so hang in there in my video while i just waffle about nothing ....) come on mate, it's got no real info that could be about any new bike not even released yet. @@advmatt
@@Rabbydabbydoo thanks for commenting and sharing your opinion. We see it differently. I see many riders buy bikes without thinking it through. I have done it myself. It's meant to make you think about the bike, which you have, so I call it a successful video. Your position on it is different than mine, neither right or wrong. Each item is something to consider before buying. If aftermarket support is there great, if not, it will fall short for many riders. It doesn't make the bike a failure, just not the do it all bike.
For those of you that are irritated by this video and think I am hating on the CFMoto Ibex 450 here is a link to a channel full of shorts of the Ibex 450 to get you excited. www.youtube.com/@Motorbike_Engineering176
Don’t let um get to u bud I understand your video completely so I had to go on a hole rabbit hole search and make sure things have changed as this video is 7 months old and I have found parts but from china as well I appreciate your video and agree I’m excited for the bike but understand it’s not going to be better than t7 but looks to be a great budget and entry bike into the adventure lifestyle.. 🤙
@prestonmason9717 thanks for the support. Inhave also checked for parts a few times and have not found much more. This bike has not been cleared for sale in the United States yet due to emissions issues. It will be even longer before parts start being made here.
Nobody cared or even knew about the ibex 800. Lots of people are excited about the 450. The new transalp has been out for a year and there’s plenty of aftermarket parts already. The ibex 450 is going to sell like crazy.
We will see. My local dealership was not excited to get them in.
Your local dealership don't understand the market
@@ro61n50 they sell Yamaha T7s and Huskies. The dealer I talked to seemed fairly familiar for a sales manager. We will have to wait and see.
Probably because the Ibex 450 is a game-changer in its class. The 800 already had a lot of competition with very similar offerings in its class, the 450 doesn't with the closest being the new Himalayan 452 and the Kove 450. But it stands out in the 450 class as the only one currently with a 270 degree parallel twin and tubeless spoked rims out of the box at a relatively affordable pricepoint.
I agree. We complained about not having a small, capable, affordable, adv bike, we get it and we complain about accessories? I don’t get it.
Man here in Australia we are making after market parts made here , bash plates, exhaust , tail tidies , , racks all made here in good old Australia 🇦🇺
@@chrisb9156 that's good. We will see how the U.S. market comes along. Bikes still aren't available to purchase here.
I have had a CF Moto ATV since 2018 when a friend recommend it, his is 2017 no trouble what so ever to this point. As for after market support try more European countries I got a great full skid plate from Iron Baltic they had aluminum and composite materials as option's. CF Moto has been around alot longer in other countries, makes sense they have more aftermarket support.
Yeah, the ATVs have been around a long time. The CFMOTO Ibex 450 hasn't even arrived in the states yet.
The Ibex 450 is the hottest ADV bike on the horizon. I have a deposit down on the first one my local dealer gets. They are not scheduled to be released till Fall at the earliest, so how could aftermarket companies develop parts without a bike as a template ? The smart companies will jump on it ASAP.
We will see. I hope you are correct but I am not sure a Chinese bike will move the needle for most aftermarket companies.
I agree with Donnie. This is going to an amazing machine 👍🏼 I’ve also put a deposit on the 450. Delivery in my country,(Australia), starts at the end of March, then followed by shipments in April and May, which have all been pre-sold.
There is so much interest in this bike around the world, that I expect after market parts for this to spring up pretty quickly . There is no other bike from the mainstream manufacturers which comes close to the Ibex 450 (called the MT450 in Aus) as far as features go, for the price. I can’t wait 🏍️
@advmatt I'm looking at the growing Chinese motorcycle industry the same as in the 1960's and 70's when the Japanese Big 4 were just getting started. At those times, no one else was producing the bikes the market was needing. Simple, light, user friendly, dependable and inexpensive bikes. The Big 4 eventually replaced all the other European and US makes. Puch, Bultaco, CZ, Maico, Jawa all were winning world championships up until then. In the U.S. Hodaka comes to mind. Times are changing and I'm excited to see it happen. I don't factor politics into my ideas about motorcycles.
@@donnieyoung2774 great insight. I am interested to see if the Ibex 450 hits the mark. It weighs almost as much as a T7 with much less HP. The price might be the deciding factor.
@@advmatt you are wrong, the 450MT wet is about 10 kg less than T7 dry.
Interesting take on both the CFMoto bikes… no opinion is wrong…
For your consideration…
- CFMoto Ibex 800T: This may be marketed as an Adventure bike; however, in practical terms it only looks like one in that it has upright seating. It has an engine designed by KTM that has been used in KTM’s adv bikes. That doesn’t make the 800T an adv bike. It’s primarily a paved road bike that would likely be fine for good, unpaved surfaces (places a Prius could safely go), although you could take it anywhere your skill level allows. With regard to after market parts there really isn’t anything that is needed that CFMoto hasn’t already put on the bike. You might consider the lower crash bars which match the installed uppers, and possibly a tall seat - both of which CFMoto will sell you for a low price. A deflector might be all that is needed on the OEM wind screen. Now if you want to buy the bike to ride it like you have rode your 390 or Tenere in similar places, I’m in 100% agreement after market support is weak or non existent. If you did want this bike to ride places you show in your videos, you’d have to ask yourself why. There are so many better choices, one of which you already own.
- CFMoto Ibex450: I have no idea what CFMoto will include on it. It is likely they will provide desired parts for protection. At the projected cost of $6500 you might consider if it’s worth it to add lots of protection. Evaluate the skid plate it comes with and add a set of Tusk or Barkbuster handguards. What else do you really need?
I’m excited to see these new CFMoto bikes and others such as the new Royal Enfield Himalayan. Bike manufacturers haven’t been giving consumers many options, especially price conscious ones. India and China have a lot to offer. Japanese and European bike makers need to wake up and meet their new competition.
Tim, Matt has a 390 Adventure and he bought a Tenere. And he owned a GS. So we know Matt, despite owning the best value small ADV will buy anything! 😅 - Frank
All good points.
100% !
I,ve got your Ibax 800 22 model the first model that came out. I agree its not the best single trail bike out there but you have to consider the fact that many people have to ride 2 or 3 hours to get anywhere off road. I have ridden through central Australia off road soft sand and mud and it can do it, but not like a KTM500 so you have to be mindful of what you are riding and mindfully of your skill level and don,t go anywhere where you are not going to get out of. I have done single trail rutted mountain stuff with big wash aways and its not much fun on this bike but I can do it with a huge fear factor. I am looking forward to the release of the kove 800 x that has a similar motor but weighs 60 kg less. There is no one bike does all. I reject the idea that this bike can only go where a prius can drive. Obviously, the person that suggested this has a low skill level and does not know what they are talking about. I live in Australia which is a tiny market compared with America. Ive traveled 14000 ks on my ibex800 and have not a had a problem. . There are lots of spares available from ali express that are cheap and of reasonable quality. Don't forget the swing arm and motor are all KTM. Brake pads are easy to get.
@@peterprzywara5258 You can take that bike anywhere you like, and I applaud you for it. There are much better choices for difficult terrain. You as much said so yourself. Just for a one bike comparison, In the US you can buy a Tenere for about the same price - a much better choice if your focus is on mud, sand, rocks, and where goats only go… That same Tenere will be more than adequate for the highway to get you to your dream destination.
Well I made the jump! Sold my KTM 390 Adv and bought the new CFMOTO 450MT! Fantastic bike that suits me perfectly. Heaps of parts and accessories coming out, but because of how popular this bike has been the suppliers can’t keep up with the demand. The 390 was a great bike, but the 450MT kills the 390 in what you get for your money. Don’t forget CFMOTO own 51% of KTM and they are now manufacturing for Yamaha. Problem also with the 390 I had spend a lot of money get to function as an adventure bike. With 450MT it’s ready to go, off the showroom floor! If you like spending money then there’s crash bars top and bottom, skid plates, taller seat, slip on exhaust etc.
Over 400 were pre sold in Australia before they hit our shores. There’s still back orders to filled. I was lucky to get one! No regret purchasing this bike at all. Oh first service will be way cheaper than the KTM as well.
Glad you like the bike. Here in the states I think this bike will take time to be adopted and for aftermarket companies to start making parts. Glad parts are available for you. I hope this bike lives up to your expectations. Cheers.
I need a bash plate for 450MT. Can you give me a link please.
Nice MC if wet wt. was actually as light as. KTM 390 adventure, but similar to the new Hond NX 500. So why bother with this bike when a new Honda NX 500 is less risky ?
I agree. I don't think this bike brings anything to table except a small entry price. It weighs almost as much as a T7 or Tuareg, has the same power as the 390 Adv and will need to be modified to carry us full size riders. Maybe it will be a hit.
I ordered the 450 today and asked for the crash bars and big front mud cover (should also be available). Modding the bike in Europe kind of makes you lose the warranty. In my country they offer 5 years warranty. So i'll keep also an old DR 350 for the woods and mods :)
Nice. Voiding the warranty is no good. This should be a good little touring bike.
have the 450mt for a month now, most of the accessories i have installed are aftermaket
i only have pannier bracket, bash plate and center stand oem, but also bought it outside cfmoto.
@@metalsadman glad to hear some parts are coming. When the third party fabricators jump on board then you know the bike has arrived.
People keep saying the Kove 450 has aftermarket support. sure but a simple search shows 90% of the aftermarket support is Chinese made accessories from Aliexpress, Amazon, Ebay etc. Very little are from N America or Europe.
It's hard to say if non Chinese support will come for these bikes. I suspect it might not.
@@MotoCampAdv I haven't seen these companies you mentioned jump on the CFMoto wave yet either. It's not racist to disagree with the way another country is ran. China is a communist country with a history of human rights violations. For those that make purchasing decisionsand aftermarket parts manufacturing decisions based on their politics is solely their decision. This is not racism.
@@MotoCampAdv you are right about India, and I am now very aware of these national repression issues, not just in Canada but in the UK. At the time I purchased my KTM from India I was not familiar with those issues and yes I have purchased products from India for my bike. Nearly every motorcycle is compromised of Chinese and Indian parts. It's nearly impossible to buy any vehicle without parts from these countries. Look at any BMW and you will also find many parts from China. We just need to be careful mixing political ideology with racism. These are not the same issues. I am sure there are people out there that won't buy products from India due to the repression of dissidents, same as people will avoid buying parts from China because the government is communist. I am only trying to different between racism and politics. I try not to get involved in politics or political discussions and let everyone make their own choices without judgement. If you disagree with me than that is your choice. I am not trying to justify anything either way. Just reporting what I see. I have never said don't buy Chinese bikes, I only was informing potential buyers of issues that could be encountered due to a lake of support developing for these bikes. Ultimately it's up to the buyer to make their own decision.
@@advmatt I'm not calling you a racist. I understand your perspectives. But there is definitely a prominent amount of racism in this industry. If you do some research you'll see it is true . A lot of stereotyping and resistance to "Jap" bikes when they entered the market . The same thing is happening in this case is all I am saying. Stereotyping to me seems a bit race based but I'm just some half asian dude so it's just my opinion.
Great video! Even the new Kove 450 has aftermarket support. BTW the Kove is an awesome adv bike!
How much is Kove paying you these days. Your channel is nothing but infomercials. What do you think about the founder leaving the company? And what aftermarket companies are making Kove stuff? Do you mean the guy in his kitchen grinding out timing keys?
@@jonwoodworker I agree
@@jonwoodworker nailed it LOL!
Having a Dealer network and aftermarket support is important to me . Maybe things will change with time so I will be waiting on the side lines for now . Right now we have some great choices with more to come from well know manufacture’s .
CFMotoUSA shows more than 300 dealers for their two wheeled products at this point in time. - Frank
KTM 390 updated in 25 model year is high on my list.
Frank is right, there are a lot CFMoto dealers. I stopped in mine this week. The dealership was not excited about a new adventure bike from CFMoto, the Ibex 800 did not sell well. Maybe the 450 will be different.
@@advmatt It’s too expensive for a first offering Adv bike especially when it really is just a tourer. I suspect there is a lot of apprehension about it being Chinese also. I test rode one at a demo event and was very impressed with it. Easy to ride, and quicker than my VStrom1000.
@@advmattibex 800 has the same problem as the vstrom 800 de it's too heavy to be in the middleweight adventure bike class . The result is poor sales .
I think many people are excited for this bike; many of which will never do any serious off road riding. Rather they will use it for a on road utility bike. If you are a hard core adventure rider, you are probably looking at more suitable options that are well established with boat loads of aftermarket support. With that said, I would be more than happy to ride this on the street and some occasional gravel and dirt roads. It comes with enough bits and bobs to suit me. Just my 2 cents.😊
Agreed. For the riding you have planned it might be perfect. I am not sure how it will fair riding out west in the U.S. where roads turn rocky without notice.
Hopeful companies see the potential in the 450 market and get on it! I know my dealer is excited to get them in. I'm still holding out for that 390 adventure r.....
My dealer was not excited for this bike, weighs almost as much as a T7 with much less power. Price point might be only driving factor.
I dare to differ from you. MT450 was launched in Australia this week and all items you mentioned are already available. There are 500 pre-launch orders for this one model in Australia at a launch price of USD5187 (AUD7990). That kind of volume will get dealerships and the aftermarket industry moving very quickly - too many potential sales to ignore and only 20% of the price of a 2024 BMW 1300GS. (For context our total population is only 7% of the USA population). Just my own opinion, but you might be surprised at the offtake of this bike and the Royal Enfield Himalayan 452 (same price).
I have been seeing the huge interest in this bike. It appears CFMoto has made a large lineup of parts for this bike. It seems the reviews that are starting to come out like the bike, but like all bikes, it won't be everyone. When suspension tuners start working on this bike then you know it is being taken seriously. In the U.S. market I think it will take awhile for it to catch on.
Here in Australia. $8990 ,for pre-ordered launch price and now $9490. Delivery for the bikes started last Friday.
This was a major issue I had with a GPX Moto I owned a few years, in fact, most of "OEM parts" didn't fit or work well. It was maddening to get anything for the bike, I imagine this is the case for most China bikes.
Yeah, I think so too, at least for awhile.
There is a huge difference from GPX and CF Moto...CF Moto is a legitimate manufacturer and will offer many parts for the MT/Ibex 450. As for the aftermarket, if it sells well they will join.
Truth! I had to modify some Altrider foot pegs for my ibex.... However I get a set of Double Take Adventure mirrors, Barkbusters, luggage system through Shad... modified my shift lever.... added a windshield extender... so far really not that bad.
Perfect.
I dont think thats a big issue, you can get accesories for another bike and adapt them, worst case have a skilled local metal shop do bars & skip plate not that complicated for experienced mechanics. IMO the elefant in the room for this chinesse bikes is the steep resell depreciation.
I agree with you on the depreciation. If you know a good fabricator you are ahead of the game.
The 450mt has similar specs in power & weight as a KLR650 but you wont have problems finding dealers or after market parts for the kawasaki. But the market should grow over time.
I agree, the aftermarket support will come around, but it might take several years. It took several years for aftermarket support to arrive for the KTM 390 Adventure.
You are absolutely correct about aftermarket support, I think there will be good support for this bike (if it rides OK and is a good price) within a few months, the other thing to consider now is China's economy is really bad, a lot of major companies are going to the wall, it seems to be more of a problem with electric vehicles rather than motorcycles, but it is something to keep an eye on.
This made me go look... CFMoto had over 1 billion net in 2023, and 3.66B in liquidity.
Not bad numbers... - Frank
China is going through its first real major economic downturn in decades. CF Moto's Share price is down 30.42% in one year, I would be very cautious about buying a Chinese brand of Car, less so a Motorcycle.@@OneOldManRiding
As an AJP PR7 owner (less than 500 bikes built per year) it is possible to find aftermarket parts. Luckily the most important parts (skidplate, footpegs) are good, others are industry standard, but all parts which require replacement (wheel spacers, luggage rack) are available. Some of them are made by small companies, some by owners, but if a bike is sold for a few years and it has a enthusiastic followers after market parts will be available. It could take a few months, but someone will see the demand and make parts...
Other: the hype is really big about this bike and I think most people will be a disappointed especially if they are coming from bigger / larger capacity bikes.
I agree with you. Reviews are starting to trickle in and they seem luke warm. They are saying nice things but not with enthusiasm I have seen from other bike reviews.
Hey Matt I found a site that carries limited parts for ibex 800 it’s CFMOTO USA parts operated by Curren RV just letting you know thanks for the info vid I am interested in the Ibex 450 waiting to also see the MSRP
Thanks for sharing this other site. I looked all over with limited success.
Pricing has been released for the CFMoto 450, it's $6,599.
Hey Matt good points here. However I dont think a lot of people care. Some want the 450MT so bad they can taste it. lol The following here for the 450MT in Australia is pretty big and growing. The 450MT stock has a lot more going for it that the 390 at the moment. Maybe other companies outside of the USA are looking to produce parts, especially from China. The other side of the coin is you will save shitloads of money by not buying crap you dont need! 🤣😂
Great point not buying things you don't need. If a lot 450s sell then we might start seeing aftermarket parts.
Honestly, the 390 Adv was a bit of a pain to find things for when I got my 2020. Especially the spoked wheels. I'm looking forward to the 450 coming out and plan on at least taking it for a spin to see how it feels. I think if a lot of people jump onto this platform if won't be long for accessory companies to jump on too. On the flip side maybe this will rekindle the 490, which was the only bike I really wanted to see happen. I loved my 390, but I so looking forward to the 490. I was hoping the 490 would fix a few of the things I thought could have been better on the 390.
I am with you. I am back to being on the fence with the 450. I would have been first in line for a 490, but now that I have been on a long trip on my T7 I don't think the 450 will do it for me. Weight is close to the T7 and power is around the 390. Not inspiring. There may only be a small community of adopters for this bike.
@@advmattwith KTM killing the 490 with the Indian manufacturer I have a funny feeling the CFMoto 450 is the KTM 490 engine that was supposed to happen due to the new CFMoto KTM partnership.
@@nscott26 it very well might be. The weight of the Ibex for 450 is dissappointing. It is close to the T7 with much less power.
Not much after market accesories because stock gears might be pretty capable and sufficient ! ?
You might be right. However, suspension work always seems to be necessary for stock bikes. I don't see options for this. Seats are common changes as well. Maybe this little Ibex 450 will be such a success all the aftermarket companies will jump in.
Have you looked into the 790adv aftermarket. I’m sure a lot of those parts will fit the 800. As the duke 790 aftermarket parts fit the 800nk.
2nd thought: You build your own stuff a lot of times with these Chinese bikes. The only reason the hawk 250 has the aftermarket it does is because of guys like me buying one and building it themselves.
I don't think anything from the 790 Adv will fit this bike. Forks are different diameters, shocks are different lengths and the tank design for a skid plate is completely different. CFMoto is releasing their own line of products for this bike. Buyers will have to go with factory parts for awhile.
@@advmatt I understand I don’t know that much about the 790. But I do know a lot about bs china bikes and how to make them last a long time and make quality parts for them. Admittedly not your average wrencher considering I’ve sand cast CG 250 and 300 jugs and cases in my own backyard lol. 😂
Very true!
I went to a Honda dealership to look at a few bikes, they also sell other makes but the manager who has worked there for 20 years told me to reconsider the crf300L and to buy the CFmoto
Im not sure if i should take his recommendation seriously or not because they're 2 different bikes in my eyes (adv vs dual sport) plus it will be my first bike and i think the cf will be too heavy for me to pick up multiple times if i drop it offroad (which i dont think the places i want to take the cf is made for unlike the crf)
Purchase the bike that gets you excited not what is recommended. The Ibex 450 will be much heavier than the CRF for sure. The CRF will easier to ride.
I think you are totally wrong with your prediction. The CFMOTO 450MT will be bike of the year.
There is way to much hype for aftermarket companies to not take notice and see the opportunity to make some money.
Touratech/SW-Motech and all the other big brands will have accessories within a month of it's release.
Remember my post ☺️
We will see, I am not so sure about that. Availability will have a huge impact. Ibex 450 won't see U.S. market until end of 2024. It will delay any aftermarket efforts here. There are a lot of bikes coming. We will see which ones win out.
Bikes selling like crazy here in Australia. CFMOTO are selling a heap of complete genuine accessories here.
That is why you watch it for a year. The Kove 450 has aftermarket companies starting to make accessories. It is in high demand because the sales are through the roof.
What you failed to mention is that the Ipex 800 comes with the accessories you need. From the pictures, it appears to have crash bars, skid plate and luggage rack. Handguards are generally a universal fit item.
Factory skid plates rarely are sufficient for offroad riding. If the Ibex 450 really hits the mark then in about two years there should be plenty of parts. Early buyers may be frustrated trying to do any modifications, like stiffer springs for the suspension.
@@advmatt the factory skid plate on the 800T is pleeenty for the type of riding it is actually designed to do...lol many of us just want a bike that works as-is. if you want to crush single track and rocks go buy a dirt bike and a van
@@SummitCoyote the sections of BDRs I that I have ridden have plenty really big rocks that bash the underneath of my bikes. Its not single track and more than your average forest roads. I just don't see that CFMoto bikes are going to be 'The bikes', well except for the CFMOTO KTM 790 Adventure. Not sure which company gets credit for that one.
@@advmatt there are videos of BDR runs on the 450 already...it keeps up with the 790 offroad. There are already plenty of parts for it you just need to look outside the US right now. oh and you can do all those mods you mentioned and still come in cheaper than a stock 790 lol
Try fitting ktm aftermarket on cfmoto?
@@user-bumblinman maybe, not sure much will mate up.
What did the aftermarket manufacturers say when you asked them their plans about CFMoto support?
It's a wait and see.
Check ProCycle and Camel ADV . Probably nothing but maybe they could mod some foot pegs and maybe something else .
Those companies might jump in once the bike hits the markets where they normally sell products.
Yeah, new bike and no aftermarket have access to them yet. Check back in 6 months after the launch and see if this is still true. If it’s a very popular bike, aftermarket will support it, if it isn’t, it won’t have a strong 3rd party support
We will see. CFMoto will need to crank out a lot of units before 3rd party suppliers start making parts.
Sales dictate aftermarket support. I would argue that the 450mt has had the most interest of any bike for quite a while. Let's see
I was thinking the same about the Kove 450 and there are tons of stuff coming out.. I wouldn't expect anything to the MT450 yet as the bike is not even out yet... This isn't a CRF.. but I bet there will be some stuff in the next year after it is out..
I hope you are correct. I am not sure though. Time will tell.
Not all of us worry about buying a ton of aftermarket parts for a bike that starts with a decent setup.
Thats good. I know every bike I have owned needed new fork and shock springs. I weigh more than typical bike setup, as do most riders I know. I hope there will be stiffer fork and shock springs available for heavier riders. Most stock skid plates are pretty thin. Maybe this bike will come with a more equipped skid plate to handle rocky conditions. It really depends on how you use the bike on whether or not it will work for you.
@advmatt a majority of the people who upgrade their bikes never ride it stock to it's limit. I'll never understand buying a cheap bike and sinking 1000's into it to make it perform like another bike that would've cost and performed the same at the end of it. Not saying there isn't a place for the aftermarket, but to the majority of riders, they don't need it.
Guess this is also why there are so many bikes for sale with 1000's in upgrades and under 2000 miles on the bike.
@@rolandvenne7419 yeah, I agree. Marketing hype can get riders wrapped up in upgrades. I have spent thousands on my KTM 390 Adventure making it the bike I needed it to be, but I have almost 30k miles on it. The upgrades on that bike are what I do with almost every bike I ride. Most riders will be fine with the Ibex 450 in its stock form, but some of us won't be. This bike will likely not be right for more hard-core riders if aftermarket support doesn't emerge.
Waiting for the versys 450x. So far kawasaki has not really come out with a tenere competitor and they are late to the party. I am really hoping they go the small adv route with the 450.
That would be a great bike, and popular.
Here in Europe, CFMOTO already selling quads, SSV, etc. So there are distributors. Also on facebook, a lot of group is formed around the 450 MT. So this could quickly change...
But yeah, any sea route disruption (Suez canal) can cause supply issues.
Here in N.A. CFMoto has a large quad market. Their sport bikes sell well, but competing in the Adventure market is much different. We will see.
I will disagree. If the bike is popular, it will have aftermarket support. I think the 450mt will be very popular for $6500.
You might be correct. I think in certain parts of the world it will be successful. I am not sure it will be in the United States. Riders here a different bunch. The suspension will have to be upgraded for all us heavy riders and the bike is carrying some weight. The bike hasn't made to the U.S. yet, so we will see what happens here.
Well not exactly true here. The point of china cheap bikes is that after they broke up you throw it in a trash and not repairing it!
It is surprising how slow the ADV aftermarket is for the CFMoto bikes. Their ATV's and SxS's seemed to have a lot more effort from parts manufacturers and distributors.
I agree. CFMoto ATVs seem to be everywhere, but I never see CFMoto bikes. It may take time before we see the motorcycle aftermarket world jump onto CFMoto bikes.
Might take a year or two, but with time the aftermarket scene should really expand for this model.
I hope you are correct. It will help it sell better.
With a 29” inseam and half the price of a Tuareg or Ténéré the Ibex is quite appealing 👍
I see the appeal. From the feedback I am seeing it is basically a smaller Tenere.
You will get aftermarket parts once the 450 hits the streets. Consider that the first year or two is a guinea pig period, where they will polish out teething issues with the help of early adopters. By 2026, this should be a polished product and the aftermarket will catch up
You are probably right. Here in the United States I am not sure the local aftermarket companies are going to show up for this bike.
@@advmatt we will see what the riders have to say after 20-30 thousand miles. I personally think this bike is exactly what the market needs, even though I haven't seen one in person yet :-)
The 450 is going to break the market. It's so much more than the Himalayan 2.
It will be our first Chinese bike that we are excitedly waiting for and ready to buy as soon as it comes out.
To the GS fat guys, I'm going to send greetings from the top, where they can't get to.... and back, on the mt 450 we can also go for coffee and pick up women.
That's life. Full of surprises.
You are certainly enthusiastic about the Ibex 450. The price keeps it competitive but the weight is close the Tenere 700 and the power is much lower. It will be interesting to see if this will have the expected impact.
@@advmatt Power without control is useless. Where I go, there are very few pilots who arrive in Ténéré. In fact, I've only seen one...and he was one of the good ones. Yes, the Yamaha looks good...but when you are going through a segment full of rocks, at less than 10 km/h...you appreciate the seat of the mt at 820. And when you are at 3000 meters in the mountains, you appreciate the tubeless tires, the 17.5 liter tank, and the KYB suspension.
J Juan brakes, 44 hp, 44 NM.....and all this package for that price?
And besides: it's not an MV...but in finishes, the cf moto is already at the level of any Japanese.
will buy the 450MT/Ibex after the global launch which is happening in my country this march 21st.
will update when i get it next month.
Before I watch, I reckon that if 450mt is as heavy as 700 tenere it does not make sense to buy. Not considering aftermarket support and reliability concern.
Agreed! I see no advantage.
@@advmatt The price is the advantage and 30-40 lbs lighter makes a difference. I highly doubt the 450 feels as tippy top heavy as those T7's .
Its nice to have a new player in the market and cf moto seem to be listening to the masses ...smaller bikes..but apart from the twin motor they seem to have missed the mark..why is it so heavy?..they keep mentioning the 175kg dry weight like this is a good thing wet this will be approaching tenere weight with little power...20kg heavier than a 390 adventure with less power 🤷🏼♂️
I was thinking the same thing, Tenere weight with 390 Adv power. Not a winning combo.
Very good and valid point to consider.
It took me a bit to come to terms that the 390 ADV I was about to buy was built in India. Fortunately, after owning and riding it for 3 years, the bike turned out to perform well, though the budget nature of the fit and finish is apparent. At least the bike has the KTM name behind it. I know when I go to sell it, that name recognition will help. It would be a MUCH bigger leap for me buy a Chinese brand. The truth is that resale on Chinese bikes is terrible. They simply do not have a reputation for reliability, support, etc in N America. If you buy a CF Moto, just know you’re likely to take it on the chin when you go to sell it.
Understandable. I checked out some other models of the CFMoto lineup. I was impressed with the fit and finish, but I did not ride one.
Puig , givi, ermax all make accessories and windscreens for the 800MT/IBEX
I couldn't find a Givi windscreen, only handguards. I checked out there website. Windscreens are not much. I had hoped to find pannier racks, skid plates and custom crashbars. None to be found from my research.
@@advmatt I'm sure more will come though. The 450 will most likely sell better than the 800 . I wouldn't be surprised to see aftermarket parts from places like Thailand , Philippines, and India.
@@MotoCampAdv I agree with you. The aftermarket parts likely won't come from Europe or North America. The far east makes a lot of sense.
Aftermarket has not started making things for this brand simply because they are unsure if there will be enough consumers purchasing the motorcycles. The same can be said about the Royal Enfield Himalayan. This companies are competing with massive brands from the Japanese and European. Come to think about it I have not seen any aftermarket support for the Harley PanAmerica, outside of in house support. I think that will change soon
If the Ibex 450 sells a lot of units aftermarket support might emerge, but it will take some time.
@@advmatt agreed, till they are truly established and have the customer base then it may take a while.
Give it a chance, mate! It's a new bike, very much in demand. The after market will catch up, fast. Cfmoto has already made a hit with side by sides, and ATV's, and tgey have lots of support.
Yeah, maybe. We will see. It really seems to be an upgraded CB500X. The weight to power ratio is one area that concerns me. The need for stiffer springs and a suspension upgrade may take some time. I will keep a close eye on it.
@@advmatt my only gripe is it's weight. The Kove 800 adventure could be more worth it in this respect. Lighter, and more powerful. But all is speculation, at the moment. We need a few months of proper testing to see the salt, or not, of these bikes.
@@davidmallia628 agreed. It will take some time to see if they hit the mark. The price certainly helps.
Well maybe us americans need to pony up and start making some aftermarket parts for the bike, like custom skid plates and foot pegs springs. I imgaine the forums for the bike are going to be full of creative people coming up with solutions that get the ball rollling on making it more offroad capable. If these bikes sell as well I expect them it could have a big following behind.
I think your right. There might be some openings for new aftermarket parts builders focused on this bike.
Australian Market has heaps of options
That's good to hear. We will see what happens in U.S. market when the bike arrives.
Sorry Matt there’s already a lot of after market accessories and the bike he’s just beginning to be delivered here in Europe !
Not the same here in the U.S. when I filmed this there were no aftermarket parts from third party vendors. I don't count factory parts as aftermarket. Maybe this bike will do well.
Well, I’m sure a few will wanna be Beta testers
Give it a year or two and see how it plays out
Agreed.
Like that fake plastic rock at the end, we have one too where i stay as well, like the cf Moto the heavier weight would help it not be blown around in the wind as much 👍
The weight will help not get blown around but heavy head winds it could be tough with the low HP. My 390 Adv struggled in those conditions.
Thanks for pointing out! But I am pretty much sold on the 450. I live in Medellin Colombia I will buty the options that CF moto has. Here labor is cheap. Would love the T7 if I could at least get both of the balls of my feet down. bcs here is is super hillie even in the city and will could vave a slant too. at awerging place or a stop sign. Hopfully is sucessful and the third party will jump in. Here I get penalized on all motos 30% tarriffs Crazy. but save $$ in other aspects of life!
I think for some area of the world and some riders this bike will be perfect. For other areas I don't think it will be as successful. The reviews are coming in on the bike now. The reviewers are saying nice things so far, but it has been a real test. A twin cylinder will be good in this size.
The new ktm 390 adv that will come out likely next year might be my unicorn. These twins are just too damned heavy for any real offroad.
If you ride a lot of single track or really rough jeep trails the twins can be a real handful. I hope this new 390 Adv delivers. The spy shots sure make it look it good.
@@advmatt agreed. It's what might get me to joint team orange.
With the current volume of bikes out there, it has to pick up
@@sayithigher yeah it should but this bike is still not available in the United States. There is an emissions issue that, to my knowledge, hasn't been resolved. A huge market is still missing.
There is a load of aftermarket parts for the 450......
I see parts from Ali Express and CF Moto. It looks like Cross Pro made some crash bars. I don't see where any other companies have jumped in. A quick search I did for crash bars and skid plate did not reveal any of the big aftermarket companies have started making parts yet.
I think you told us that...water is wet
Chicken and egg problem. Kinda normal.
Why are they being haters ? Maybe the big 4 are telling them not to make parts for them 🤷🏼♂️ who knows
I think the aftermarket companies are waiting to see how many bikes are sold before investing in parts development. If a lot of bikes sell then the aftermarket will be there.
You are searching wrong internet sites for aftermarket products..... They exist , but you need to know where to look .
Actually it is Harley and Indian who don't have aftermarket products - so people are not buying them here in Europe.....
@@istra70 introduced my video almost eight months ago. A few products have started come out.
ADV Matt needs to do some better research me thinks.
Look at the extensive list of super cheap accesories (except hard panniers) CFMoto have listed.
I can fully farkle a 450 MT for under $1500, actually under $1k.
Only from CFMoto. Third party support may not exist, limiting your choices of aftermarket parts. Not all aftermarket parts are made equally and there are design differences that have different appeals. In contrast do a little research on the Yamaha Tenere 700 and see how many companies make parts for it. Just trying to bring awareness to some limitations.
You just had to do a search, Mr Yang.
@@RandomParrot send me a link for crash bars and skid plates not made by CFMoto.
skid plate is the Least problem ... ktm390 has Not even ground clearance or suspension... the essensials of adv....
The 390 Adv might be lacking in a few areas but it makes up for it in power to weight ratio, overall power and overall weight. It can be a great bike for a majority of Adventure riders seeking a smaller light weight package.
Have to disagree here. This bike is the upgrade to CRF300 Rally which sells great, and the Ibex already has almost everything u need. If u need handguards, tires, luggage anything will fit. I prefer the oem plastic skidplates for noise, but any metal one can fit with a little handy man skill. Kove is ripped off China junk, period. Been there dont that and they DONT have aftermarket support, its just Honda/KTM expired copyright parts that RMATV put under that category.
I have looked at some of CFMoto's bikes in person and I was impressed with the build quality. I wasn't able to ride any of them but they looked pretty good. As a typical North American rider I weigh much more than any bike of a showroom is setup to handle. I think getting the suspension set up for heavier riders with new springs and maybe a replacement shock might be a challenge. For lighter riders, it might not be a problem at all. As for the bits, well that tends to be personal preference. I ride in very rocky conditions and a substantial skid plate is really important to me, but we all have our own requirements for bike protection. Hope you enjoy the bike.
@@advmatt Im not in the market for an ADV bike anymore, sticking with my dual sports but IF I were this 450 would be the one I was after. A lot of people are very interested in it.
Serious Maker guys make their own parts such as skid plate or etc. CF moto engines are KTM engines. People relies on this fact.
Not all CFMoto engines are KTM replicas. The 450 parallel twin CFMoto is using is their own design, not a KTM engine.
@@advmatt cf moto is technology partner of KTM. Design and engineering offices are common. Moreover CFMOTO and Yamaha have reached an agreement to have a joint venture recently.
100$ says they use cf motos 450 cross plane and spiff it up with some stupid electronics like "rally" mode lol@
I think you'll have to post an update after it is released in the USA. ALL NEW BIKES have delays in getting accessory parts. It happened to the T-7 and it will happen to all new bikes. I think your title is click bait. This is the first video I've watched of yours, but if this is your take, I'm not so sure I'll watch others. Your title and take are a put off - seems like a scare tactic. You are 100% wrong that the T-7 had lots of aftermarket stuff when it first came out...
@@motourge3061 once the 450 MT makes it to the states we will see how the aftermarket support comes along. Here in the states the T7 arrived much later than any where else. There was a lot of aftermarket parts available when it did arrive. I have seen a reluctance from U.S. aftermarket parts manufacturers to embrace Chinese bikes. There are not a lot of parts available. Here in the states we are heavy riders and the suspension of the 450 MT will need am immediate upgrade, like all bikes do. That might be challenging for non-standard fork sizes and shock. Before anyone puts moneybout for this bike theybsgoukd look to see what parts are available. I hate see any rider buy a bike then not be bale to setup for thier type of riding.
Your choice on what you watch. If your interest is in the 450 MT you won't find any more content here. If you ride adventure bikes you will find lots of content on the KTM 390 Adventure, Yamaha Tenere 700, Aprilia Tuareg 660 and older content on the BMW R1200GS and F800GS. There is too much content available to watch anything from a creator you don't like. Cheers.
I’m sure the bike is fine. But when I purchase anything, like for instance the water hose I bought the other day, I research it to see if I can get something that isn’t manufactured in China. I’m a big fan of Taiwanese products. I always try to purchase from something manufactured in a democracy. I understand my phone is made in China, I have heard all the arguments. I just go for harm reduction wherever I can. I am not against Chinese people, and I am not saying all Chinese products are bad. I am just saying that the CCP is an authoritarian dictatorship. I wish Chinese people were free, because China could be the greatest nation in the world if it were not for the Communist Party of China.
Some people may not even be aware of that. And some people definitely don’t care! But at least be informed so you can make a decision you feel good about.
Make decisions on what you believe in. I understand exactly where you are coming from. It's really hard to buy anything with out some of it being sourced from China.
@@advmatt well, like I said, harm reduction. You can buy less things made in China. Especially a big ticket item like a motorcycle, but really anything. I will research my hat and underwear before purchasing. There’s almost always a product from any democracy. The more you can avoid the CCP, the more it opens up opportunities for democratic countries’ products. Sure, some items on any product may be sourced from China. But buying less makes a difference. Look up a false dichotomy. There is a spectrum of harm in doing almost anything. I get it, I am not rich. Chinese bikes are cheaper. But I would rather save my money for something later, or buy used just to support democracy. It’s obviously much more important to me than most people though. I am against the CCP and dictatorships. Most people simply don’t care.
Anyway, I have respect for you. I don’t want to argue with you. But I don’t think there’s an argument for purchasing from a dictatorship. There are certain things I do that I know are wrong, and I do them anyway and just own up to it. I am not a perfect person myself.
@@advmatt my point is that harm reduction can be achieved. Just like a waste footprint or calorie consumption. It’s a false dichotomy to say that because many products come from China, it’s just a free-for-all and you should then just feel free to buy whatever. Especially with big ticket items in my opinion, but really any item.
I don’t know why youtube deleted my last comment. I didn’t say anything offensive or curse. I simply made my point which I am willing to listen to any rebuttal. I probably said some trigger word or something
I know for a fact there are wumao that watch videos like this and will try to flag comments claiming racism. That’s why I made it clear that the problem isn’t with Chinese people, this is about the CCP.
There are 800's everywhere decked out. Alliexpress, considering the bikes origin. This makes sense. Don't agree with this video
No worries. Just something to think about before purchase. Quality aftermarket support is a factor for many riders.
This is just fearmongering because you personally don't want a chinese bike
Not at all. I was initially really excited about this bike but then I began to realize I may not be able to build it out the way I want it, which is a problem. It also weighs nearly as much as a T7 with 30+ less horsepower. This video was made to provide awareness, not discourage anyone from buying.
bit of scare mongering and click bait title....
I don't think so. These are things to think about before purchasing that are not always considered until it's too late. Exuberance can cloud our vision and not take all factors into account. I was really excited about this bike until I really started looking into it and CFMoto bikes. There will be really happy buyers and some with remorse. An informed decision is better. It was meant to prompt potential buyers to do their own research before buying to make an informed purchase.
just an attention seeking video.
there's plenty of them on youtube sadly.
bike isnt't even in shops yet that i know of.
cfmoto are a massive company and it's well known now.
the video is full of nothing in reality.
theres an importand factor, i'll get into that in a minute...(so hang in there in my video while i just waffle about nothing ....)
come on mate, it's got no real info that could be about any new bike not even released yet.
@@advmatt
@@Rabbydabbydoo thanks for commenting and sharing your opinion. We see it differently. I see many riders buy bikes without thinking it through. I have done it myself. It's meant to make you think about the bike, which you have, so I call it a successful video. Your position on it is different than mine, neither right or wrong. Each item is something to consider before buying. If aftermarket support is there great, if not, it will fall short for many riders. It doesn't make the bike a failure, just not the do it all bike.
S P O T O N !