why Zenless Zone Zero has a BETTER WISHING SYSTEM than Genshin and Honkai: Star Rail
Вставка
- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- How pity and wishing works in Zenless Zone Zero compared to Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail
📚 Credits
VTuber mama: / nastrpank
🌸 Socials
Twitch: / kettletoro
Twitter: / kettletoro
Discord: / discord - Ігри
![[1.0] Beginner's Lore Guide to Zenless Zone Zero - Spoiler Free!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WaW6Sy8o6dI/mqdefault.jpg)
wow im so mature !!
come say hi on twitch I stream often eheheh twitch.tv/kettletoro
I got Ellen in 3 pulls on day one 😅
Sooooooo I CAN spam 500 pulls in the next 15 minutes?
@@Section_8-l2r yea
Your voice is making me uncomfortable
@@MultiverseRaidenWarriors why?
Its literally the same thing as HSR. The only difference is that the 50 pulls on the "noob banner" count towards the 300 for selector.
Why you called it noob?
@@Shadow82311 Noob is another word/slang for Newb, which is an abbreviated word for Newbie. Newbie is synonymous with newcomer, beginner and novice. I hope you get the point.
HSR counted the 50 pulls as well right?
@@jrbudoybudoy they did not iirc because it was a separate banner now you could've ignored the beginner banner and pulled standard and they'd count but that'd be a waste
We are all newbies though. At least if we aren't counting the beta players.
"It might be better than hsr and Genshin"
Proceeds to explain the HSR banner system
exactly
It’s literally the HSR gacha system but with an extra Bangboo banner and the guaranteed S in 50 is included in the Standard banner (I can’t remember if that was the same case in HSR)
@@kaz7690 sr has beginner banner separated from standard and uses 8 normal rolls for 10 pulls like in genshin. finishing 50 pulls (with 40 rolls) guarantees a 5* and removes the banner. dunno if rolling on beginner banner also contributes to the 300 pulls extra character.
@@nguyenngwn7757it does, even for Star Rail was like that
@@nguyenngwn7757yeah, the 300 pity standard thing is on hsr too
ZZZ has only just debuted but it already has many interesting advantages over its two seniors, which makes me look forward to its future performance!
Yeah, I loved it since its trailer mostly for the great difference compared with other games of HYV like genshin, honkai impact or HSR
Well that's to be expected. If you're gonna create a new game but have no improvements over the previous then whats the point 😂
I love so much and one thing especially you can replay all the cutscenes and dialogue of every mission story I wonder if it’ll do events too!
@Disappointed240 Totally agree☕
Its gacha system is the same as HSR, and the game is actually boring as shit. This game will be dead in a month, but most people will quit it after two weeks.
So it's literally like in Star Rail
Like star rail but with addition of new banner that allows you to pick anything. The only caveat is that the new banner require currency that cannot be bought, which means whale cant abuse it
Na its legit just hsr, no difference on standard weapond or event banner@Ace.of.Spades3
@@ClockiePizzaSounds more like Azur Lane than either.
Getting close to greatness, Hoyo...
@@ClockiePizza
Wuwa has 100% chance on weapon banner
This one is 75/25
Similar to Hsr. So nah you're tripping
@@daiwang8111How different is the "pick your choice" banner to the Chronicled Wish?
I was so excited for this game but my PC completely broke today out of nowhere 😭😭😭
Dude my monitor went crazy today
And well it was usable but the game wouldn't launch for me (it would crash at the loading screen after hanging and making some 'Unity' loading screen appear). I tried every possible fix for this but the game just wouldn't launch. What a pity...
@@Rimon1957 Oh sorry to hear that hope it can be fixed
@@Rimon1957 same i also have the same problem
@@glamgirl5068 it's a disaster
Am on Mobile and I downloaded it am surprised it actually functions even tho genshin is also on my phone 😭 my phone is insane
The pulling system is definetly better than Genshin but its practically identical to Star Rail, Bangboo banner aside.
As a hardcore Hoyo fan though, Wuwa slightly edges all of them just because the weapon banner has no 50/50.
i love wuwa gacha system
Yes ww featured weapon banner is a good investment for sure even if your not pulling for BIS
@@neroxdgaming9362 Yeah, it's great that the passives are also for general use. Often times signature weapons from other gachas only benefit the character it's tied with.
The Bangboo system is just ELFs/AstralOps from HI3rd lol, and those were a luxury, and judging by the looks of bangboo system, it seems they too will be a luxury once you can't get free pulls for its gacha, bc there's already a character banner and a "weapon" banner.
I don't like wuwa's world and designs (basically its artstyle) but I really hope it does well so genshin, HSR and zzz are forced to do stuff like making weapons guaranteed because they are already a waste of resources, not 75/25 and definitely not the 50/50 we have
also they should honestly just give players a free standard 5 star per year
Yes hoyo knew the one thing every male will never see
Out of topic- We won't see any males in zzz if they keep adding women 🗿
@@SleepyAaa ok gay i see you
I just want men in this game to start at man (I’m gay lol)
joining the homosexual army of male character wanters
We need another male theriden (animal person)
"That completely removes the 50/50!!"
5 seconds later
"which is still a 50/50"
@@plaguenplay3516 she meant the 50 pull guarantee. its not hard to think yk
@@Purp1e_ it isn't hard to say "50 pull guarantee" instead of 50/50 y'know
@Purp1e_ The issue is no 50/50 is ever removed on anything. That's just straight up false information. There is no 50/50 on standard banner, then she proceeded to talk about 50/50 still existing in this game.
I got lose in 50/50. Gyat dayum 😂😂
It’s exactly the same as hsr except there’s another banner, hsr already implemented 1 weapon 75/25 banners, the beginner banner and a standard banner selector at 300 pulls
honkai impact as an elf supply banner which if im not mistaken is basically the same
“It’s better than Genshin and HSR’s!” Proceeds to explain HSR’s wishing system.
... So it's the exact same as HSR but the beginner banner now is connected to the standard one with One more banner where you can choose the 5star you want and no 50/50 on it, here you got the entire short in one comment have fun out there
Imagine when wuwa has 100% guaranteed 5* weapon in weapon banner
wait it already has the weapon banner with guaranteed rate ?
@@MCRN_1452yes, the weapon is 100% guaranteed always
And the hard pity is 80, not 90
they also give you a 5star selector, and a banner where you can pick what comes out of it. Basically you get 3 of the 5 standardbanner characters, two of which you can select, right out the gate. So you can get verina, get whoever, and still be able to grab your favorite.
@@sensha5470 and, with the rewards you get over mail, you're able to get a hell lot of 4* chars/weapons as well (as long as you created an account during the first few days)
Meanwhile Wuthering Waves:
The 100% guaranteed on weapon is the "hoyo could never"
@@yugaaqira4250 they need to have better wishing systems and more rewards so people dont drop their game for hoyo games
kuro games consistent with their guarantees following pgr
So basically, a new-looking Hi3. It's literally the same
Yeah thats what i thought when i was first playing too
the aesthetics are very similar. guess they’re going for nostalgia points? although most of their playerbase probably hasnt played hi3
nope, HI3 has no 50/50, S rank guaranteed in 90 pulls, first 10 pulls have a discount
@@monochromeink. Yup, HI3 did one thing nice by handing out free S-ranks and often times one or a choice of two S-rank `dated` units before i left it back in 6.4.
Still cant match the level of fire that Kurogames is pulling off.
Seriously, if the problems that are apparently going on with Zenless are a sign, then im sure plenty are gonna point at Wuthering Waves level of QoL reactionary, even if they are different companies and go freaking AMGRY if all Mihoyo does is give out less then 1/3rd of a pull for multiple game breaking issues and nothing more beyond that.
Seriously, Wuwa even before the compensation got dolled out was already giving away a free discounted 5 star (at random) and a 5 star selector of any standard 5 star unit immediately after the discount one as permanent additions period.
the games are so similar i kept trying to attack with J instead of clicking the mouse and i havent played hi3 in months..
So exactly like Star Rail
Hoyo's influencers trying to explain the pros, but the VETERANS already know the entire system behind it so "good job"
what are you pressed about lol if you already know the system why go here in the first place
@Purp1e_ because its the right thing to do? To call out misinformation?
I dunno about you, but if something was false, or the statement is vague, you gotta call that out
"ZZZ has a unique type of banner!"
Hsr Leakers: "Unique For now"
(No seriously, Hoyo plz don't drop the ball and make it P2W like in Genshin...)
Edit: Okay, Okay I made a mistake. I meant how the *Chronicled Wish* is a "Whale Bait". The fact you can only use Premium currency on a banner of non-limited characters is downright awful. Sure, some people would be excited about it... but come on! At least share the pity between multiple banners if you are going to make us use pulls we could use for the current limited Character.
Tl:dr what I wanted to say is = Don't let the new banner use Premium Stellar Tickets/Warps/Gold Tickets. I wasn't talking about genshin as a whole... Genshin is easy. Which is why I stopped playing it.
They already said they won't monetize the banner in the live stream
Since when does Genshin become P2W? LMAO. The game was easy to clear without spending money.
if genshin is btw that's just a skill issue T^T
P2w in genshin? Damn ppl are really something these days
Genshin certainly benifits Whales by getting OVERpowered Characters faster. But even then, you can't call it "Pay2Win", when with a little dedication and skill, you can "Win" everything the game has to offer without paying a penny. It's "Pay2ProgressFaster", but just objectively not Pay2Win. Unless... you're REALLY, really bad. I could maybe see the arguement for the endgame modes, but these are only for those who want to challenge themselves anyway.
even after all that, HI3rd gacha is still superior🎀
The only S Rank character you can get on the limited banner is the limited S Rank which I really love. No losing 50/50s!
@@BawiCung-jn2dc real!!
Its superior if hi3 has no powercreel issue.
@@tidf-wh1zgit's not that bad, I stay at top 50 of arena and abyss(not ex) with main DD characters that are from 2020,
so it's the same.... Thanks for reminding me.
But the caveat is
*How bad will be the powercreep???*
Its hack and slash where fighting js the only thing you’re doing. Expect worse powercreep than its predecessors (except for hi3)
@@Arunika1 oh fuk
It's exactly the same as star rail, just that the 50 pulls count towards the total 300 and there's an extra banner
To make things clear:
-rate-up character banner follows the traditional 50/50 system of hoyoverse games (you start with 50/50 and if you lose 50/50 then next s rank is guaranteed to be the rate-up s rank unit)
-a guaranteed s-rank within 50 pulls, is only exclusive for the normal banner (permanent banner) where u can get an s rank character or s rank w-engine within 50 pulls and normal rolling currency is also discounted from 10>8 but you will only be able to do 10 rolls everytime "till" you get an s rank from the normal banner
-Rate-up w-engine banner is the same as the 50/50 system but instead of 50/50, it's 75/25 where you have 75% chance of rolling the rate up and a 25% chance of rolling and off-rate
(You can only get an s-rank w-engine from standard banner and rate-up w-engine banner)
Still better than before tbh.
Plus the beginner standard banner counts towards the free 300 pull char, which is nice
That's basically HSR. 50-50(90pity) on character. 75-25 on weapon(80 pity). Only difference being beginner counting to std banner
And it still can't compete with wuwa
HI3 having no 50/50 at all :
👁👄👁
"there's no 50/50"
"there's a 50/50"
new hoyo game: comes out
kettle: is (new game)'s gacha better? spoiler: it actually is
Isn't that the same exact thing as hsr where you do 50 pulls and you have a 5 star and then after 300k you pick up one
my biggest flex is the fact that I already have the butler and shark bangaboo
The weapon banner is the same as honkai so we just dont mention that, but we mention that the noob banner is better
meanwhile in PGR: 👁️👄👁️
Another pro is that the story cutscene are saved and can be played back even the dialogue of the missions🫠. Something I wished Genshin did
you can replay dialogue in genshin look in the archive
@@hotshootful I know you can replay the dialogue between the conversations but not the cutscenes. ZZZ will taken you back two the moment liken you are playing it. Genshin just have you the audio and the script of the dialogue. Unless they changed it from the last time I looked?
You can also turn off Cinemas on characters. Now IWTL can do "fair" character reviews.
@@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName sorry I’m stupid what do you mean by cinemas on characters?
@@Disappointed240 Like Constellations and Eidolons. In ZZZ they're called Cinemas
i get to finally play zzz and i have also been enjoying playing fatal bullet again on top of it life has been nice the past few days
Imagine being that silly, to just repeat the very same HSR's banner system and tell that ZZZ have something new.
HSR be like:
50 pulls guaranteed first 5-star ✅
Any character on 300 pulls✅
Single weapon in banner ✅
75% of rate-up on weapon✅
Mmmm.. Its actually much more better, yeah, of course.
Im staying in WuWa, because there are ACTUALLY better wishing system, guaranteed rate-up weapon and lower pity on 5-star.
ZZZ going to dump right away.
Oh, so thats why I got that shark maid on first 10-pull😂
The inclusion of a third type of banner actually makes it worse than the other two, and we don't know whether they'll add exclusive bag boos in the future as separate banners too. Otherwise, the existing weapon/character/standard banners are identical to HSR, so no, it's sadly not better.
BANGBOOBS!? 💀
*not surprise with this fandom*
The last line was the cutest thing I've heard all day
I think no for me. Because, everytime i pull on the limited banners, i get them mostly at 50-60 pity and i only have 1 hard pity 50/50. And yes, i won wvery single 50/50 but i got bronya and himeko on the standard banner.
Yall I was wishing for bangboos and got a S rank within 20 pulls 20 pulls later I also got another S rank I had got the butler and shark
The gacha; pity being 90. With the same 0.6% rates
- standard banner being mix of S characters & S weapon...
- 300 pulls to guaranteed a select S rank
- no beginners banner. Just discounted Standard banner pull at first (the first 50 being guaranteed S rank > change into 300 afterwards
But hey at least there's a pity counter
I havent pull any limited gacha yet. The 100 free pull feels like a joke. What it truly meant was, 100 Standard Banner free pull. Not limited
(saving for Miyabi anyway)
It's like honkai impact 3rd
nope, HI3rd gacha is completely different
Bruh... what about wuthering waves, they give even more early 5 stars...
hi3 gives you a five star every patch what are you unto
WuWa is nothing special in spoiling their players
They're the same as all the other gacha games
The content was talking about ZZZ having better wish system than GI and HSR. Why would you include WuWa in this? Are you high?
@@ArthurMorgan.1863another WuWa is better type of person
Like can we just play game without saying who is better is rewards 💀
@@ArthurMorgan.1863yet still worst then hi3 what actually is that ZZZ have that better then hi3?
@@wanabid98 Another didiot who strays on the topic. Jesus fckin christ. Why there's so many dmb people on the internet.
Also, If you don't like the game then don't fckin play it. EZ right? Is arguing with every people on a dmbsht comparison a thing now?
But rip for those snapdragon entry level phone
(I was experiencing the same thing)
We usually having issues that our map is not rendering the color and the object is only black
The characters and the story still has the color and still good, but when it comes to gameplay there's an absolute dark. You only can see characters, all object are dark
Best thing is it actually shows you your pity counter and shows you the rarity of everything you get in a 10 pull before you see them
im glad that instead of counting our pity via the history they show us how many pulls until the s rank is guaranteed. they did that in honkai impact too
It’s the same as hsr and doesn’t beat wuwa.
bro i got Ellen on my first 10 pull and Soldier 11 on my 20 💀
ZZZ has js started and I already love it! The Bangboos are soo cute and they help you with the fighting as well! I find how they explore using the HDD system interesting♡
the only difference is that the starter 50 pulls isn't a standalone banner, which could contribute to the 300 standard banner pulls for character selection
bangboo banners have higher chance for both s rank and a rank with 100% rate up
Wow, they took inspiration from Wuthering Waves with the 50 wish 5*
But since the banners are exactly the same as hsr and the only difference is a whole new banner that never existed in hsr, there for the gacha systems is exactly the same as hsr. Yeah it's different because of that new banner but you can't say it's better or worse because the equivalent of it never existed in hsr. So it can only be compared to it self
I may have lost a braincell or two but you've gained a new subscriber so that's something
Sitting here after 30 pulls on Ellen's and I already got her. Happy boy!
I hate that I can't play this beautiful game! TwT
The wolf character is cute but thats all 😂
Literally the same as HSR then lol. The departure warp also gives you a 5* (but I got lucky and got 2) after 50 pulls at the cost of 40 pulls. And yeah after 300 pulls on the standard banner you can get a 5* of your liking. I’m gonna reach 300 soon and picking Clara.
I'll agree, got two Soldier 11s on the 5th ten pull guarantee
I got 2 ssr lol from standard banner😂 moreover the character has unique gameplay and caught my attention since the first time I tried it in the trial (the best ones are maids with big boba though)
Got Ellen Joe.
FIRST FUCKING PULL BABEEE LETS GOOOO
I know I said I’d be a Koleda construction gang main but Ellen is really fun
Don’t forget the s rank pull music
Yall I found out that the screen for the zzz loading screen is interactive
I got two s-ranked characters in my first 60 pulls. So overall pretty good
Imagine how many more loading screens you get for travelling short distances 😊
Basicly it is exactly like HSR, but with one extra banner type which is irrelevant to donations or local premium currency. That effectively reduces it's meaning in terms of pulls to ahm herta's tickets which allows you to buy light cones and standard pulls
I swear the terrible clickbait with not much research on the topic. She just recited what Honkai Star Rail had with their pulls.
I looked at all the boo's and I was like I really want that avocado one so I 10 pulled and the first 10 Pull I got him, I was very excited.
The only difference is we have another banner for other stuffs and the beginner banner is included into the standard banner to accelerate the 300 pulls.
Pgr and wuwa: 🧍♂️
Got shark maid person in 30-45 wish
How did you get so many wishes so quickly-
Its objective but genshin and star rails is more cool than zenless zone zero
Wuthering waves: 75% is still smaller than a guaranteed drop
Decent summoning system. Summon for characters you spend 5% of the time using
The wishing system actually quite similar to that one latest game wuthering waves system and it predecessor honkai impact
So it's the same as starrail, but the beginning banner is merged with standard so you get a 50 pull headstart on the 300 selector
Bangboos are the greatest creations Hoyoverse has ever made
I really hate it, I installed but isn't compatible with my device. I want to install it so badly 😭
Stun is a must have in higher level of play.
wuthering waves still solos
Banner rate and system is exactly the same, only difference this time round is the standard banner with first 300 pity adding guaranteed 5* within 50 pulls. Which if I remember correctly HSR had it too ( I could be wrong it's been too long) it's also nice to see that they added a new gacha for the bangboo to be completely f2p gacha plus being able to choose who you want with 100% rate up is nice.
The game literally cost the same as you would for HRS for a character and weapon with same rates. I'd be perfect if they gave weapon banner the 100% rate up instead of 75/25 like Wuthering Waves.
Wuwa laughing in the corner 😂
The bangboo part is literally like elf gcha in hi3 tho but it seeme elf things got demolished in hi3 so idk
In fact the W-engine or "weapon banner" rates is 1% not 0.8 like hsr so it is actually better
WuWa: hey do you want a free 5 star in a discounted number of pulls from a beginner banner + a 5 star character voucher that gives you a standard 5 star immediately + 100% guaranteed weapon banner
Even if the boss has a chance to hit me I always dodge so I don’t rely on getting hit or tanking unless I parry it.
In 50 wishes i got lycaon and 10 wishes after soldier 11, then 10 more wishes after lycaon's signature w-engine
"Completely removes 50/50s!" "There's still a 5050"
????? 🤨
My friend got Lycaon, Rina, and the event wish character, in 2 days, so I assume that he's either extremely lucky, or ZZZ is very generous
I lost my 50/50 for Ellen with Nekomata at the pull 28... Idk if that's better or worse lmao.
Got ellen on my first 10 pull on her banner, then got bangboo for her in 30 pull
For those who don’t know, if you want to know if you got a S and, the wheel will spin more times while shining gold dusts, then it will glitch into S rank for a split second, then if you are wondering if you win or lose the 50/50 is then depended on the song it plays, for example if you lost the 50/50, the song will play a men rapping song about (umm, yeah, shining golden star…) if you win the 50/50, it will be a women singing the song
Me who still doesn't care for ZZZ: I could care less about the gacha system. The characters and story are boring in my opinion.
I didn't even make it past the prologue cause I don't want to level up characters I might never use again because the gameplay is easy AF. It's a joke compared to HI3's, which has the same gameplay.
@@cynomain9802 Not only that, the buttons are glowing every time you have to dodge or use a skill. It glows gold which is too eye catching in a way for the player to know, "Oh I press this button now" compared to the subtle glow from HI3's white glow
This is literally the Honkai Impact 3rd summoning system
ZZZ: can i copy your wishing system?
HSR: sure, but change it a little so players won't notice
ZZZ: alright
Already only missing Koleda, Rina and her bangboobs, and Nekomata. Everyone else is already here. Im impressed with myseld
you forgot the 1% drop rate at the weapon limited banner and bangboo banner (instead of usual 0,6%)
Feels like a sponsored video lmao
50 is only on standart banner dont confuse people, its the same as the HSR beginner banner and the gacha is also the SAME
And then there's wuwa.
50/50 sucks but I don't know a single person who hit pity, and they give you SO MUCH STUFF.
Also the 5star selector ISNT LOCKED BEHIND 300 FUCKING PULLS SO YOU CANT ACTUALLY USE IT BEFORE YOU'VE PLAYED FOR SO LONG THE STANDARDBANNER IS USELESS ANYWAY
I got Jinshi after 155 pulls in total, and i used all 50 pulls to get the the 5 star in the beginner banner. Yeah my luck sucks.
@@OokamiKuro39Ch OUCH. Pain. 7 off of hard pity.
Though the fact you even have the opportunity to get RNG'd like that in only 1.1 shows how much shit wuwa gives out. Me personally, I've not done much exploration but after spending 50 on Jinhsi (and encore), I STILL have 90 ready for changli.
And the most important thing, the banners have pitty for 4 stars, always giving you one every 10 pulls even if they are singles