Biggest Changes to Competitive Pokémon TCG in YEARS! Worlds Got a LOT Harder (HUGE Pokémon TCG News)
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
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Haven’t had the time, energy, or drive to be as competitive now as compared to then. 35 hits different than 20-21 lol
This is a good point toward the argument for an older player division. I’d love for a “Legacy” division for 35+yo players, and there could be a different Top Finish amount for worlds invite for that fourth division.
Harder? No it’s literally impossible to do unless you play the tcg and/or you’re a content creator for a living. This is the WORST change that pokemon has made. They made it literally impossible for people who work and have a life outside of pokemon to make worlds. I had my first child this year so I didn’t attend any events so I’ll miss worlds for the first time since I started playing in 2018. They’re going to lose a lot of players over this
Pokemon Organized Play is just different than it was 5+ years ago because it has blown up in popularity and there can only be so many top players. Naturally if there are people willing to spend 40+ hours a week playing a card game, these are the people that are going to be the ones to get ahead in a system like this. In my eyes, the problem isn't that getting into Worlds is so hard now, the problem is that getting into Worlds is the only real goal for a competitive player. I think it's a good thing that they took this step, but I do mourn Pokemon tournaments how they used to be, speaking as a 28 y/o who started playing competitively 20 years ago.
Well tbf working and taking care of your family should always be a priority over a children’s card game. Like you are 100% not going to be invested in it as someone who is not as busy as you.
I slightly agree and also disagree. Yes, I do feel like if you play for a living, you have an easier time getting into worlds. But you still need to win games. You can literally play for a living and not get enough CP because you just are not winning at all. If anything, it does make it harder for everyone. I still do agree there is a slight pay to qualify aspect into the game now but you still have to be good to make it in. Just my personal opinion.
There is still the aspect of you can go to 1 event, win it, and have your invite to worlds. So if you aren’t a grinding CP player who goes to everything, you have a few events to and try to spike your way into Worlds. It makes sense for Worlds to be more competitive with only the top end players. The mindset will have to change on what merits getting invited to worlds.
Well Mr nugget you were going to lose to the guy that dedicated 100% of his time to the game anyways
Pokemon going forward NEED to change the tie rules for this to work.
Makes me feel better being more of a casual player than truly competitive one.
The change for ties is the best nerf for stall
It’s Pay to Win now
They made the game pay to win now. If you do not have the cash and free time to travel to get the points and keep your placement on the leader board you are done. Before it was in the players hand to get the points need and than save your time and money if you got your points early. But now you have to keep traveling and paying for trips and tournaments to just keep your invite 😢 sad day for this game
What I don’t understand is what is the difference between a casual player going to worlds compared to traveling to an IC? If you don’t have the time and resources to qualify how are you gonna be in a tourney to be best in the world? The casual player should be setting different goals.
@kelseydoyle7920 I somewhat agree but casual player ≠ player that doesn't know how to schedule and manage finances.
@@DarthTerrax If you are bad with money and scheduling. An expensive luxury hobby competitive circuit isn't the place for you.
The only way it should have ever been
I’m not going to pretend to know why the Pokémon company did the change. I can understand making worlds smaller with hopefully a more dedicated player base there competing. But in my opinion I’m kind of goes against the antithesis of what Pokémon is. Ever since Gen 1 the story has been about doing the journey and collecting a necessary number of badges (CP) and then you get to compete for the highest goal. Literally seeing if an underdog can top the mountain. It feels like now, year after year, we’ll potentially just see the same people there until they retire from the game or age out of their current division.
Living in western canada almost a 10 hour drive from the nearest regional getting an invite is not possible for me no matter how good I become this is a horrible change and made it go from very challenging to near impossible
Back in 2011, under the rules like they are now, I went from second in my state and like top 10-20 nationwide to a huge dip because I went X-3 drop at regionals. Got top 8 at 2 states and had went top 2-4 at every battle road and cities that I went to that season.
If they had the rules from the next year, I would have gotten an invite 😂
A change of mentality was needed (in terms of World invite) and some of these changes make sense for a scene gaining popularity. I do hope they keep tuning for the best though clearly they ain’t there yet
people saying that they want to see top lvl play at worlds um the top players will always make it. last year at least people had a chance they just need to fix ties and people slow playing
I think point is only seeing the top players… not the guy who got their invite on locals points and enough top 250s to barely qualify.
@@kelseydoyle7920 yeah but not many local guys make it to day two so there is no problem and why not see some local guys now and then
I appreciate how you broke down the numbers, explaining the old way and diving into how these changes will be impacting play. I watched a content creator and player share his opnions on this, which were positive, but then shared essentially if you aren't willing to work for it to earn it then you shouldn't expect to be invited. It was a different tone than this video for sure.
Hi Ross, so there is only an international in the UK and no Regionals? This can’t be right?
4;48 ultimately weather you get the points in the last second or earlyer dosent matter the total amout is the same. OFC being able to go to 2-3 ics is still a big advantage.
I think it would be interesting when the first Worlds occurs with this new format, someone takes all the competitors and does a deep dive into how they got thier worlds invite. The top top names will have likely finished top 125 etc in their region, but they probably won/placed top 4 in a Regional so they can settle for that path. I'm curious how many of the Worlds invites were actually pure CP totals, no automatic bid from winning a tournament. That will show how many true spots there will be; unless Pokemon will lump those tournament winners into their own worlds invite and not include them in the CP invite total for each region.
As a blind player this sucks fat balls, the faster the match has to be, the worse it is for me
prices for competitor merch are about to skyrocket
Is the venue smaller this year for world
I imagine this is only the start of the changes.
What is bubbling? Can someone explain
all my mtg friends who hate on the game even said “pokemon is BLEEP but I really hope that (points/worlds changes) doesnt happen to your game. That sounds awful for everyone.” and welp here we are.
You can still go 5-0-3 and get 18 match points to get to day 2, and 6-1-1 is still day 2 eligible.
it does make worlds more pretigous and more true to "the best of the best" but it will make less people competitive for the game, especially in the local scene. I hope that to ensure locals are still supported we get additional promos and prizing etc
Bad math 5/0/3 is 18 as 6/0/3 is 21. So you can tie for getting to day 2 just don't loose than :D BFL's 6 are combined for IC, Regionals, Specials. ICs are in those 6.
Can someone explain this to me like I'm five? Or as a Yu-Gi-Oh! player?
5-0-3 is still 18 points though. The new system does not "turn ties into a loss." The point is that, at every event size, X-0-3 is acceptable to make Day 2. Three ties is still the equivalent of one win.
Most tourneys are gonna fall under the 9 round day 1 with 21 points for day 2. Which means 7-2 is what you need to get to day 2.
@@kelseydoyle7920 No, do the math. It's 6-0-3. The point is that, at every event size, X-0-3 is acceptable to make Day 2.
@@grafzeppelin4069 sorry I made the same mistake on a different comment. You are right I'm getting the 6-2-1 not working confused with this.
@@kelseydoyle7920 Yeah, what I think has Ross confused is that the record needed to make Day 2 under the new system doesn't allow for 2 losses & 1 tie. But he's forgetting there's 1 less round of Swiss on Day 1, so holding it fixed at "2 losses and a tie" is missing the point. You still CAN get through with 2 losses, you just now have to get 4 wins out of 4 remaining matches, instead of 4 wins & 1 tie out of 5 remaining matches.
Overall, this means slightly less Swiss on Day 1, which is an improvement, I think, because the absurd length of Day 1 is a big turnoff.
@@grafzeppelin4069 The big downside to a tie is that now if you ever lose a match a tie is basically a loss. So if you are 4-1-1 then that is the same as 4-2-0 in looking at your chances to make day 2.
To be fair, there are no regionals championship happening in florida for the 2025 season due to either politics or that venue is currently occupied by other event such as yugioh championship and they would not settle for other time due to Schedule conflict.
If there needs to be a tie break I think it's whoever participated in LESS tournaments proving that they are more skilled just can't play as much (for invites)
Feels like they just don't want Oceanic players honestly. First it was gutting prizing for Australian regionals and now only 20 people can attend worlds. Seems insane to me.
I appreciate your optimism, but I very much doubt that’s how it’s going to play out.
More Pay to win mechanics
11:42 5-0-3 is still 18 mp?
With 8 rounds on day 1 you can also go 5-0-3 and have 18 Points for day 2
Im confused why you’re saying 5/0/3 cant make day 2
Every region in the US will fall under the 2049+ scale which is 9 round day 1 with 21 points to qualify for day 2. 7-2 is what you would need to do that.
@@kelseydoyle7920in that scenario 6-0-3 makes it 18 + 3 = 21
@cesarguerrero5630 oh yeah, you are right. I'm getting confused with 6-2-1 not working anymore.
@@cesarguerrero5630it still does make ties alot worse though.
I like the change to ties. I’ve always hated it when players ID for a tie!! That’s not playing the game, that’s giving up! It should be play to win, like all games of this kind are meant to be. Let’s hope ID is now a thing of the past 😊
Those who get invited will make bank on selling their championship promo if they are only given out to the invited players and not given out elsewhere…
Is 5-0-3 not 18 points?
Wossy this is a though one to sell...but no is not a plus. I'm not gonna spend money to go to 2/3 regionals + time to train and knowing i still couldn't make it, and i suppose it will be a shared thought
If they added online tournaments then everyone still has a chance.
Did some simple math
If you finish 125th in all your tournaments (3IC+3Regs) and maxed out cups/challenges … you sit at 950
That better be enough to qualify.
Thanks for the tip
As someone who likes competitive Pokémon Unite a lot, where only 4 teams from somewhere like NA even get to go to worlds at all, this kinda makes sense? It does make it seem more prestigious and the matches will definitely be better for it
I think this is a positive change except the NAIC being the last event bit. As ICs have elevated points thresholds it makes a top 512 scores the same as top 128 at a regional.
Yeah, with this change, they really should add residency restrictions on ICs, and then give LA & EU each a "Last Chance Regional".
@grafzeppelin4069 personally I think it's weird af to allow international players in regionals and ic
After watching it we have positives - for maybe 30 people in the world, and Negatives for like at least 700 people. Yeah great system.
I've been playing this TCG for over a decade, and I've gotta say, this is a dogshit change.
I've always WANTED to compete at a higher level, but never have due to time and money. Not only is that still an issue, but it's EVEN WORSE now thanks to Pokémon. You essentially HAVE to go to the big tournaments which WILL require you to travel long distance (sometimes even to other countries), and even still you basically HAVE to win at these tournaments too. "Oh, you'd have enough points in the old system, but you got 126th place? Fuck off, no invite for you."
Imagine spending thousands and thousands of dollars on cards, hotels, flights, etc., only to come in JUST under the top placement spots for your region. I personally would be EXTREMELY pissed if that happened. It's even worse for places like Oceania and ME&SA, since they only get 20 and 10 spots, and you KNOW that there are way more than that many players competing.
And that's only for Masters. I don't want this to be a "think of the children" moment, but if it's this impossible to achieve for Masters, think about how much Juniors and Seniors are getting fucked over by this. Yeah Pokémon, I'm sure only 10 kids in Oceania are gonna want to compete in your big fancy tournament you always hype up so much.
These changes made competing in the TCG infinitely more pay to win than it was before. Locals don't matter, ties actively hurt you, even if you WERE to get the number of points needed you could VERY easily miss top for your region, and unless you're willing to spend thousands each year traveling to different parts of the world, your ass is NOT getting an invite. The good simply does NOT outweigh the bad here.
Unless this gets reverted to the old system, I as well as MANY others will never compete in the TCG ever, because quite honestly, unless you KNOW you're going to be able to spend the time and money to travel, and you know you'll be able to consistently get top spots, there's really not even a point in trying. This may sound overly dramatic, but this change will actually kill off the Pokémon TCG on the competitive side. If it's this impossibly difficult to participate, most won't even bother trying.
Am I the only one exploring other TCGs?
I am finalizing my tcg for the US market. EU is next.
Um...5-0-3 is still 18 points..so u can still get draws...
An interesting note… the new logos lack the Pokémon Brand logo, instead it’s just typed.
I try to be as positive as possible and give Pokemon the benefit of the doubt but honestly except for a couple small positive things, this feels absolutely terrible and like they're trying to cut out the average player from making Worlds, which seems counter productive to trying to grow/maintain the game. I'm by no means an expert on competitve Pokemon cards but I completely understand why everyone is absolutely livid. They probably feel like they're being cut from the chance to be a part of their hobby.
Basically if u ain’t rich, u ain’t going to worlds.
Making locals less important can mean less people will go to them which means less fun for those not too interested in going to international. Less fun over all so sounds bad
i foresee a lot more gentleman's agreements in the future
This is the most ridiculous change
good video, but the changes are terrible. And for cutting the pack payout for juniors is something that the person suggested it should fry in hell forever for.
This made it pay to win...if you can't afford to travel the nation to play at multiple events, you pretty much shouldn't even try...
we jumping people now? say less LOL!
To this day, I still think the point system is garbage.
So pokemon tcg should be for the rich elite and not for the common man!
We need the TCG Live ladder to award Points!!!
Saying this is a good change is just out of touch with the wider community of players who aren't big time "pro" players tbh
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Personally think making it harder to reach worlds is a positive change. As you said it makes it more prestigious and therefore getting an invite gives you more bragging rights. I will say they need to do something about the problem with NAIC being the last Championship tournament before worlds cuz it will suck to lose your position if you live across the sea and can't make it to NAIC to keep your spot if you're in the lower positions. It is a little unfair to those who are on track to get invited to worlds in other countries but they could easily fix that by having 2 tournaments that you get invited to
1st one is a World Championship qualifiers where the top players get the invite to the world championship tournament. To get in you need to make the minimum points to get into worlds. You can only participate in the qualifiers that you're invited to so if you're from Europe you'd be invited to the European World Championship Qualifiers (EWCQ) then you get the top 125 there and now you're in the World Championship. I don't know if they would even be willing to do something like that but I think it could be fun.
I think this is a positive change only because of the amount of people that are playing now. If we had the current system for the foreseeable future it would not be feasible assuming the growth continues
You could also go 5-0-6 to make day 2
This is probably a very controversial take but I'm excited for the changes. This is because I'm a casual player with little interest in a worlds invite anyway, and the play Pokémon rewards really intrigue me. I hope they are actually pretty good.
You're ok with only the richest players getting into worlds?
@@_G50_ absolutely not, but it doesn't affect me personally
@@babyalexander Just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it doesn't affect other people who actually play this game. If you're casual, fine. Don't speak on competitive shit
@@darthf698If you’re not good enough why do you expect to go? Win a regional first and you will be automatically invited anyway.
@@darthf698you're being rather rude to a person who simply wanted to share their valid perspective. When you say that these changes affect "people who actually play this game" you're suggesting that this person isn't "actually" playing the game just because they play casually. You're invalidating their experience as a player. As a casual player, their optimism towards casual rewards is just as valid as your frustration towards the world's qualification.
This was the dumbest decision they have ever made, there are more than 10 great players in south africa
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any change that makes players actually play the game instead of slow playing is a welcome change.
pokemon tcg is a soft game, and as expected so are the players. play for a win? nah, sitting in a chair pretending its some big brain math required to play a childrens card game is baffling, the last worlds match set a precendent and now cheap parlor tricks are continously attempted on the broadcasts and its horrible to watch.
How does Japan fit into that? Surely they aren't part of Oceana.
Japanese tournaments are entirely separate from the rest of the world. They have their own circuit of qualifying tournaments that have a lottery, some players have to wait years just to play in one tournament where they could qualify for Worlds, and I believe you need to place Top 8 to make it. It's really cutthroat.