Nur knappe 6 Sekunden langsamer als die offizielle Werkszeit, da sieht man dass die Porsche Zeiten nicht reine Utopie sondern auch als Semi-Professioneller Rennfahrer (ohne Herrn Gebhardt's Können im geringsten anzuzweifeln) zu erfahren sind. Gratuliere zu dieser Grandiosen Rundenzeit!
From sport auto...The Porsche best time of the GT3 was also driven with a new and pre-heated wheel set - due to the rather low outside temperatures, Porsche set on a similar procedure as Mercedes-AMG at the well-known super-race of the GT R. In the same way as the Porsche test drivers, we do not only compete with the same vehicle, which also set the Porsche best time, but also with a non-road racing racing seat from the 911 racing car GT3 Cup. Quite honestly, the feeling is already safer than having a Seriensitz with three-point gurge
Outstanding! Love watching Christian drive! I can't wait for my 991.2 GT3. I'm from Dallas, TX, but am in Stuttgart this morning and plan to drive to the Ring later today. I have a new BMW 520d loaner. Probably need to get a faster car for the Ring run. Haha.
So boring with PDK though. I'm looking forward to the manual lap where Christian will be slower no doubt but have much more to do behind the wheel. Some proper driving skill on show.
DrPittenstein I'll be honest. I didn't really like the cable actuation in my GT4 shifting. It's a smooth shifter when running hard, but around town short shifting, the shift feel would sometimes vary, almost like another small detent. So for that reason, I'm going to PDK in my 991.2 GT3. I do like shifting though and will keep my Vette with a six-speed manual. It has a shift linkage versus cables and I'm more used to that feel personally.
What model seat is the drivers seat? How much weight does the lack of infotainment save? Is there a passenger seat? Does the test car have ac or is this like the RS built for the LL?
Flugplatz und Mutkurve, da sind die Eier bisschen gewachsen :) Super Job Herr Gebhardt. Schade das die alten Zeiten nicht mit den neuen vergleichbar sind. Meiner Meinung nach ist der Christian schneller als Herr von Saurma und das meine ich mit vollem Respekt für beide. Ich glaube auch das auf Porsche harte Zeiten zukommen. Über Jahrzehnte hat Porsche mit besserem Know-how die Konkurrenz mit dem schlechteren Konzept (Heckmotor vs. Mittelmotor und Frontmittelmotor) geschlagen. Evtl. ist es jetzt superschwer noch mehr Performance aus dem Heckmotor Layout zu holen wenn man schon bei 97% ist, während die Konkurrenz lange Zeit bei 90% war und jetzt die nächsten 7% findet. Wenn alle bei 97% sind dann müsste das bessere Konzept schneller sein. Der 2017er 911 RSR könnte ein Vorbote dieser Entwicklung sein (vom Rennsport auf die Strasse). Ich hoffe ich liege hier falsch!
Fact: The 2010 ACR is the only car in the group that was straight from the showroom, literally, it was not provided by Dodge. Tomball Dodge took a showroom car and ran 7:12 with a manual and not fancy driving aides. Did Porsche provide this car or did they go to an actual dealership?
Christian, ist das derselbe Wagen mit dem die 7:12.7 erreicht wurden? Weil der Sitz ist sicher nicht so erhältlich...aber ich denke, dass du das hoffentlich im Magazin auflöst...
How is this car so much faster than the gen 1? What's the biggest improvement? I know efficiency, less engine drag more power, less aero drag with more downforce. Then there is the brake system that no longer creates any drag when not applied. And the tires, new cup 2s what are the changes there?
der fahrt mega schreibt dazu noch super interressante Fahrberichte etc immer wieder eine Freude seine berichte zu lesen also beides super!!! und er weis wo man im fränkischen eine gute wurst von einem top metzger kauft
Apparently the car that lapped the ring has similar final drive as the cup car, which provides better acceleration but lowered the top speed to about 285 km/h. Also the air temp is 8 degree celsius and tarmac temp is 14 degree celsius.
No the car, you can see in the video is the same car that did the 7:12.7. Everything completely stock except for the racing seat, which by the way is 15kg heavier than the standard seat. Dynoed 501 HP and 453 Nm so bang on what Porsche claims.
Hanna S The difference is between having one day with the car and doing 2 or 3 laps at the ring (Sportauto) and actually developing the car, doing hundreds of laps on track and dozens or more at the ring (Porsche). Sportauto times are always slower due to these factors. Even though they know the ring very well, braking points and speed through each apex is different for every car and a few laps does not allow you to maximize this on a track as complex as this.
traind I agree I know why they are generally slower. But it still is mighty impressive to see the factory driver go that much faster given how good the drivers at sport auto are
Yes very ugly... Maybe in a Boxster you are slower and Boxster is uncool and it cost less money, but it performs brilliant when you just want to go fast on a racetrack.
Anyways its an awesome drivers car and the understeer can easily be overcome by a proper alignment with the right camber set-up. Gearing is indeed to long but still more fun than any pdk imho.
You can´t blame the car, watch Porsches own lap, and you will see why. Gebhardt continously enters too fast, having to wait for the car to stop sliding before he can accelerate out of the turns. He rapes the tires of any car. Bollsy driving but a pro doesn´t handle cars that way.
Oh, da müsste aber mehr drin sein als 7:18. Anfahrt Quiddelbacher Höhe nicht gut erwischt, Quersteher nach dem Flugplatz, Mutkurve auch "nur" mit 158, da müsste schon 20 mehr drin sein. Gut, das Auto kam etwas quer, passiert, aber ich nehme mal an, dass bei einer optimalen Runde deutlich Richtung 7:10 gehen könnte. Aber man hat natürlich nicht die Einfahrzeit um da das optimale rausquetschen zu könnne. Und natürlich wird wohl auch nicht das letzte Risiko gegangen, weil wer will sich schon blamieren und abfliegen mit 200 in einem Auto ohne Zelle macht wohl auch keinen Spaß.
Also das ist auch ein unterschied, ob meine mutter den porsche fahren würde , oder christian gebhardt der schon 25736 mal die norschleifen runde gedreht hat. Stell ein augebauten ford fiesta mit gleicher ps zahlen und renntrimm dahin. Ist die gleiche zeit machbar, mit christan gebhardt als fahrer
You can't drive a modern sports car with many technology things and put a drive stick in it. If you haven't been in a Porsche with PDK, you don't know how fast this is, American people would be crying. Even Walter Röhrl said it's the better choice
GER: Sehr schön, aber den Scheitelpunkt ab und zu verpasst, und in der Mutkurve gelupft.. hrhr ist schon fies hier so was aus dem Sessel zu "furzen" ENG: Nice driving about 6s slower than the official time. Solid performance by C. Gebhardt and... Porsche doesn't cheat!! Thats may be the most important information.
Fully agree, BUT: They want to sell the car to the average guy and the average guy is already fully engaged with driving and not crashing, using three pedals and a stick would end up in a total mess in the end on the track and people would say (not the proper driver) the car is difficult to drive and so on.. I think it's good that Porsche offers now both, PDK and manual transmission, already have seen some numbers that even all cried for a manual, about 85% are sold PDK again.
Actually it´s not that far from the truth. This car has no radio (-10kg compared to sound+ package), no Navi (although it comes std), no A/C (-19kg), only one seat, and that seat is a racing seat not available for ordering (-aprx 20kg compared to 2 x carbon racing seats), so it´s been lifted off aprx 50kg. Of course the car has been also set up for the ring, which could be abt 10 sec, but that can of course be done to any car, if you find the expertise. What differs it most from the old one is still just as simple as this: The cup 2 tires has come in a new edition, first used on the corvette, then the amg gt r, and now the gt3: a much softer and grippier compound that saves 6-8 sec on the ring. Bottom line, there is nothing abt this car that makes it faster then the 991.1 rs, and it really doesn´t look anything close to that good.
At least in Germany you can de-select the PCM/SatNav/Audio for the car. So this is an option available to the public, too. You are right about the missing seat.
DriveitorSellit (source sport auto) They drove the same car that Porsche drove. Same day. Also the GT3 do not have that same sticky tire that AMG GT-R and Z06 had. This seat is installed only in the north-loop measurement; all other Supertest disciplines are contested by the GT3 with the optional full-shell sports seat. At 17.5 kilos, the option available from the factory is, incidentally, nine kilos lighter than the Cup racing seat (see picture on page 10). The GT3 does not have a weight advantage because of the racing cup on the ring(Google translate)
Porsche cheating!! Shock horror its 6 seconds slower than they declared Someone analyse the video. They sped up the frame rate!! Pls insert all conspiracies that were used against the huracan performante here 😂🤣😂🤣 In case anyone is b hurt, im just joking Christian G is just outstanding to watch 🖒🖒🖒🖒
Eine beeindruckende Performance Herr Gebhardt.
Weiter so!
Und danke, für die tolle Arbeit mit dem Sport Auto Magazin.
Nur knappe 6 Sekunden langsamer als die offizielle Werkszeit, da sieht man dass die Porsche Zeiten nicht reine Utopie sondern auch als Semi-Professioneller Rennfahrer (ohne Herrn Gebhardt's Können im geringsten anzuzweifeln) zu erfahren sind. Gratuliere zu dieser Grandiosen Rundenzeit!
Sehr sympathisch wie Christian anfangs schalten möchte, die Hand zuckt in Richtung Schaltung, göttlich.
From sport auto...The Porsche best time of the GT3 was also driven with a new and pre-heated wheel set - due to the rather low outside temperatures, Porsche set on a similar procedure as Mercedes-AMG at the well-known super-race of the GT R. In the same way as the Porsche test drivers, we do not only compete with the same vehicle, which also set the Porsche best time, but also with a non-road racing racing seat from the 911 racing car GT3 Cup. Quite honestly, the feeling is already safer than having a Seriensitz with three-point gurge
Outstanding! Love watching Christian drive! I can't wait for my 991.2 GT3. I'm from Dallas, TX, but am in Stuttgart this morning and plan to drive to the Ring later today. I have a new BMW 520d loaner. Probably need to get a faster car for the Ring run. Haha.
So boring with PDK though. I'm looking forward to the manual lap where Christian will be slower no doubt but have much more to do behind the wheel. Some proper driving skill on show.
DrPittenstein I don't think that they will lap the Nordschleife with the manual. But maybe Hockenheim
Shame it would be really interesting to see what PDK is worth around the NS. Less than many on the internet would believe I reckon.
Sport auto tell PDK car Is only 3 seconds faster than stick shift car on the lap when Timo Kluck did test that on the 28 april.
DrPittenstein I'll be honest. I didn't really like the cable actuation in my GT4 shifting. It's a smooth shifter when running hard, but around town short shifting, the shift feel would sometimes vary, almost like another small detent. So for that reason, I'm going to PDK in my 991.2 GT3. I do like shifting though and will keep my Vette with a six-speed manual. It has a shift linkage versus cables and I'm more used to that feel personally.
GT2 RS 6.xx min ?
Only with big balls !
Denke auch
6:47:30
What model seat is the drivers seat? How much weight does the lack of infotainment save? Is there a passenger seat? Does the test car have ac or is this like the RS built for the LL?
Flugplatz und Mutkurve, da sind die Eier bisschen gewachsen :) Super Job Herr Gebhardt.
Schade das die alten Zeiten nicht mit den neuen vergleichbar sind. Meiner Meinung nach ist der Christian schneller als Herr von Saurma und das meine ich mit vollem Respekt für beide.
Ich glaube auch das auf Porsche harte Zeiten zukommen. Über Jahrzehnte hat Porsche mit besserem Know-how die Konkurrenz mit dem schlechteren Konzept (Heckmotor vs. Mittelmotor und Frontmittelmotor) geschlagen.
Evtl. ist es jetzt superschwer noch mehr Performance aus dem Heckmotor Layout zu holen wenn man schon bei 97% ist, während die Konkurrenz lange Zeit bei 90% war und jetzt die nächsten 7% findet. Wenn alle bei 97% sind dann müsste das bessere Konzept schneller sein. Der 2017er 911 RSR könnte ein Vorbote dieser Entwicklung sein (vom Rennsport auf die Strasse).
Ich hoffe ich liege hier falsch!
Fact: The 2010 ACR is the only car in the group that was straight from the showroom, literally, it was not provided by Dodge. Tomball Dodge took a showroom car and ran 7:12 with a manual and not fancy driving aides. Did Porsche provide this car or did they go to an actual dealership?
Christian, ist das derselbe Wagen mit dem die 7:12.7 erreicht wurden? Weil der Sitz ist sicher nicht so erhältlich...aber ich denke, dass du das hoffentlich im Magazin auflöst...
In der SA steht das der Sitz für die NoS Runde umgebaut wurde.
Ja danke hab's schon in der Ausgabe gelesen :D
why is is it understeering like that . ( behind the fact that the engine is at the rear ) I would like to know how it compare to the 991.1 . thank you
OEM alignement. Easy to correct with good setup.
How is this car so much faster than the gen 1? What's the biggest improvement? I know efficiency, less engine drag more power, less aero drag with more downforce. Then there is the brake system that no longer creates any drag when not applied. And the tires, new cup 2s what are the changes there?
Akbar Shabazz I think it's "simple":
Driveability!;-)
Berra Yes and tyre development makes a huge difference too
A lot comes from the engine mid range, and power to the ground capacity.
der fahrt mega schreibt dazu noch super interressante Fahrberichte etc immer wieder eine Freude
seine berichte zu lesen also beides super!!! und er weis wo man im fränkischen eine gute wurst
von einem top metzger kauft
Mighty impressive but only elevates the 7:12.7 from the Porsche factory driver. How did that man find 5.3 seconds
Apparently the car that lapped the ring has similar final drive as the cup car, which provides better acceleration but lowered the top speed to about 285 km/h. Also the air temp is 8 degree celsius and tarmac temp is 14 degree celsius.
No the car, you can see in the video is the same car that did the 7:12.7. Everything completely stock except for the racing seat, which by the way is 15kg heavier than the standard seat. Dynoed 501 HP and 453 Nm so bang on what Porsche claims.
Hanna S The difference is between having one day with the car and doing 2 or 3 laps at the ring (Sportauto) and actually developing the car, doing hundreds of laps on track and dozens or more at the ring (Porsche). Sportauto times are always slower due to these factors. Even though they know the ring very well, braking points and speed through each apex is different for every car and a few laps does not allow you to maximize this on a track as complex as this.
traind I agree I know why they are generally slower. But it still is mighty impressive to see the factory driver go that much faster given how good the drivers at sport auto are
Christian did make some mistakes. He is a great driver, but you can only do so much with so little time in the car.
very impressive !!
This car is sharper than a diamond. What an amazing car.
Very aggressive driving, but it look like he was fighting understeer through most of the lap...
Yes very ugly...
Maybe in a Boxster you are slower and Boxster is uncool and it cost less money, but it performs brilliant when you just want to go fast on a racetrack.
Thats why you buy a GT4
Anyways its an awesome drivers car and the understeer can easily be overcome by a proper alignment with the right camber set-up. Gearing is indeed to long but still more fun than any pdk imho.
Pretty sure Porsche got the set up right lol
You can´t blame the car, watch Porsches own lap, and you will see why. Gebhardt continously enters too fast, having to wait for the car to stop sliding before he can accelerate out of the turns. He rapes the tires of any car. Bollsy driving but a pro doesn´t handle cars that way.
Bei 01:16 mal kurz bei +200 km/h gegengelenkt... und weiter gehts!;-)
Der krasse Christian
das ist aber nicht der Sitz, der im Heft abgebildet ist....
Oh, da müsste aber mehr drin sein als 7:18. Anfahrt Quiddelbacher Höhe nicht gut erwischt, Quersteher nach dem Flugplatz, Mutkurve auch "nur" mit 158, da müsste schon 20 mehr drin sein. Gut, das Auto kam etwas quer, passiert, aber ich nehme mal an, dass bei einer optimalen Runde deutlich Richtung 7:10 gehen könnte.
Aber man hat natürlich nicht die Einfahrzeit um da das optimale rausquetschen zu könnne. Und natürlich wird wohl auch nicht das letzte Risiko gegangen, weil wer will sich schon blamieren und abfliegen mit 200 in einem Auto ohne Zelle macht wohl auch keinen Spaß.
I want the Huracan perf laptime !!! I mean...the real one ;p
The car wants wider front tires.
And the 991 gts is just 6 seconds off, holy.
true
Please lap the Exige 380!
R o n n o c old exige was 7:53, can the 380 sport be around 7:40?
mrt27 the Exige 380 is considerable quicker around Hethel than the previous Exige V6. I recon ~7:30 possible.
Wow, only 3 seconds faster laptime In PDK vs stickshift. Tested by Timo Kluck 28 april. (Source sport auto)
Also das ist auch ein unterschied, ob meine mutter den porsche fahren würde , oder christian gebhardt der schon 25736 mal die norschleifen runde gedreht hat. Stell ein augebauten ford fiesta mit gleicher ps zahlen und renntrimm dahin. Ist die gleiche zeit machbar, mit christan gebhardt als fahrer
Und wieder ein genialer Höllenritt....🤘🏼
perfekt 👍
You can't drive a modern sports car with many technology things and put a drive stick in it. If you haven't been in a Porsche with PDK, you don't know how fast this is, American people would be crying. Even Walter Röhrl said it's the better choice
Schön gefahren :-)))
GER: Sehr schön, aber den Scheitelpunkt ab und zu verpasst, und in der Mutkurve gelupft.. hrhr ist schon fies hier so was aus dem Sessel zu "furzen"
ENG: Nice driving about 6s slower than the official time. Solid performance by C. Gebhardt and... Porsche doesn't cheat!! Thats may be the most important information.
Top Speed 290 kmph and yet did 7:18, thats impressive
the top speed of the GT3 is 330 Km/h
Not even using the paddles! This is why PDK is so undesirable for me. If I spend so much on a driver's car, I want to be the one driving it!
Fully agree, BUT: They want to sell the car to the average guy and the average guy is already fully engaged with driving and not crashing, using three pedals and a stick would end up in a total mess in the end on the track and people would say (not the proper driver) the car is difficult to drive and so on.. I think it's good that Porsche offers now both, PDK and manual transmission, already have seen some numbers that even all cried for a manual, about 85% are sold PDK again.
Racecars use PDK (or semi-automatic sequentials). It's not just for the average guy. Now I would NEVER drive the car in Auto (D) mode however...
car has a rollbar in it. +15kg
You can still change the gears by yourself if you want.
Pro or not: PDK simply is faster
der sollte mal mit Walter R sprechen wie man einen Porsche im Kurveneingang und -ausgang behandelt....der lässt so was von Zeit überall liegen....
Alter Schwede... In der Mutkurve hätte ich nicht Beifahrer sein wollen! :)
Cheeky 180kmh (111mph) oversteer at 1m15s: ua-cam.com/video/_8ctLNLvxok/v-deo.htmlm15s
Talak about fighting a car, so much under and over steer...........................I KEEP MY Z06 C7 VETT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Dann lieber 6sek langsamer und GTS nehmen.
Für Alltag und ab und zu mal Piste absolut! Aber wer Runde für Runde "ballern" will, für den ist der GT3 halt die bessere Wahl!
ZH 11500 und wer einen geilen Sound will
jup, obwohl der neue GTS nicht mal sooo schlecht ist... aber ja die letzten rpm von 8 bis 9'000 klingen live schon abartig geil!
All that screams and she still slower than the amg gt-r
Medamine Majid Porsche testdriver Lars Kern did later on a lap of 7:12 with the same car. So it's faster than the GT-R...
GTR did 7:10 by sport auto and sub 7:10 in another video by another driver
normal its the gt3 and it would still be equal, the amg gtr will get btfo by the gt2 RS or Gt3 rs, or turbo s
Die Corvette Z06 kanns 5sec. schneller 😉
Lars Kern did 7 minutes and 13 seconds with the same car.
Wer will bitte eine Corvette? :D
@@testaccount2343 ja keine Pussys 😜
Camaro ZL1 1LE was a little quicker. Wow..... The Americans have come a long way!
mzoziety But it has also 159 HP more
This is street legal - ridiculous!
I think Porsche send a prepared press car with more boost than regular!
bhahahaha .. what kind of boost in a NA car ? haha
You may want to inform yourself about the GT3 prior to accusing Porsche to cheat...
Actually it´s not that far from the truth. This car has no radio (-10kg compared to sound+ package), no Navi (although it comes std), no A/C (-19kg), only one seat, and that seat is a racing seat not available for ordering (-aprx 20kg compared to 2 x carbon racing seats), so it´s been lifted off aprx 50kg. Of course the car has been also set up for the ring, which could be abt 10 sec, but that can of course be done to any car, if you find the expertise. What differs it most from the old one is still just as simple as this: The cup 2 tires has come in a new edition, first used on the corvette, then the amg gt r, and now the gt3: a much softer and grippier compound that saves 6-8 sec on the ring. Bottom line, there is nothing abt this car that makes it faster then the 991.1 rs, and it really doesn´t look anything close to that good.
At least in Germany you can de-select the PCM/SatNav/Audio for the car. So this is an option available to the public, too. You are right about the missing seat.
DriveitorSellit (source sport auto) They drove the same car that Porsche drove. Same day. Also the GT3 do not have that same sticky tire that AMG GT-R and Z06 had. This seat is installed only in the north-loop measurement; all other Supertest disciplines are contested by the GT3 with the optional full-shell sports seat. At 17.5 kilos, the option available from the factory is, incidentally, nine kilos lighter than the Cup racing seat (see picture on page 10). The GT3 does not have a weight advantage because of the racing cup on the ring(Google translate)
Corvette c7 it’s better 😂😂😂
Porsche cheating!! Shock horror its 6 seconds slower than they declared
Someone analyse the video. They sped up the frame rate!!
Pls insert all conspiracies that were used against the huracan performante here 😂🤣😂🤣
In case anyone is b hurt, im just joking
Christian G is just outstanding to watch 🖒🖒🖒🖒
tfsidsg Porsche testdriver Lars Kern did later on a lap of 7:12 with the same car, if you didn't know.
really average driver