JUSTICE LEAGUE: HOW SCORE CAN CHANGE A FILM

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  • @vyshak4455
    @vyshak4455 3 роки тому +557

    12:17 You used Tyrone Magnus's laugh in the video😂😂

  • @ratamahatta5306
    @ratamahatta5306 3 роки тому +865

    Seeing the argument scene, makes me realize how much zack respect bruce wayne

    • @rushpan93
      @rushpan93 3 роки тому +157

      And it fits with Batman's arc. He's trying to get the team together. Antagonizing everyone like he did in the theatrical cut is completely unfounded. Whedon just went and changed Batman to Iron man in that scene, but he forgot Iron Man, unlike Batman in JL, never believed he belonged or needed a team in Avengers 1 when they have that argument.

    • @FireflyArc
      @FireflyArc 3 роки тому +54

      I agree. 12:37 in the video shows a man who's..trying to rally people up the only way he knows how. Make them angry at him but working with each other if not with him. So confrontational. He's Still Angry about whats going on. And the biggest one pushing for them not being enough. They need superman. And in the end man, he was right. In that version made it seem like superman arrived and was just better then everyone, outclassed them.
      Compared to the Snyder cut, where he is visibly relieved to be part of a team and they are a team, everyone has a role to play. Back to batman He's smiling, happy in this version, very relieved the idea is working and the decision to bring superman back was everyone's choice. Even if reluctant in some cases, they had backing for it beyond..'.batman said we should do it. '
      Its such a good change.

    • @David-bg3xc
      @David-bg3xc 3 роки тому +42

      Honestly Ben affleck is the best Bruce Wayne and Zack snyder wrote him so well. I see he took inspiration from frank miller’s Batman and it suits Ben and this justice league. Hopefully the snyderverse gets restored

    • @219saivamsi6
      @219saivamsi6 3 роки тому +22

      @@rushpan93 lol he treated everyone as avengers.....he even called wonderwoman (gal Gadot) as romanoff on the set😂

    • @rushpan93
      @rushpan93 3 роки тому +5

      @@219saivamsi6 wtf lol 🤣

  • @219saivamsi6
    @219saivamsi6 3 роки тому +561

    Danny Elfman score for that terriost scene....is like for mr.bean walking without actually knowing where he was going lol😂

    • @Mando2005
      @Mando2005 3 роки тому +52

      Because Elfman is stucked to the 80/90s music.
      Even Age of Ultron had some weird score moments that felt out of place.

    • @ALEX-jr1pb
      @ALEX-jr1pb 3 роки тому +25

      Go watch Looney Tunes Back in Action, when the acme ppl are introduced it’s literally the same fucking score 🤦🏽‍♂️

    • @lesley1204
      @lesley1204 3 роки тому +1

      Wonder if Snyder has a cut for that 😂😂

    • @thecheeseburgertank633
      @thecheeseburgertank633 3 роки тому

      @@ALEX-jr1pb Is there a video for it?

    • @thecheeseburgertank633
      @thecheeseburgertank633 3 роки тому

      @@ALEX-jr1pb Is there a video for it?

  • @amitbikramsanyal4056
    @amitbikramsanyal4056 3 роки тому +239

    I am still baffled why Joss Whedon thought there needed to be K-pop in Barry's house.

    • @tutigseg
      @tutigseg 3 роки тому +51

      I am a K-Pop fan but seriously that was so out of place like wtf dude it just ruined seriousness of the scene.

    • @gauravsolanki4794
      @gauravsolanki4794 3 роки тому +15

      To get more popularity maybe bcoz he had no confidence in his direction.

    • @izzyr9590
      @izzyr9590 3 роки тому +6

      Cuz Ezra really likes that Koop group

    • @sunsetman22
      @sunsetman22 3 роки тому +7

      you might not believe it, but that was actually a Snyder asset LMAO. I remember him being asked about blackpink or however that group is called being in his movie, and he confirmed it. however, they didn't put them back for the Snyder Cut because of licensing issues or whatever.

    • @mercury.2021
      @mercury.2021 3 роки тому

      sunsetman22 :O

  • @BlondieGurl1129
    @BlondieGurl1129 3 роки тому +327

    Usually love Elfman but WTF with the terrorism scene it’s like circus music

    • @itsalwayssomething7490
      @itsalwayssomething7490 3 роки тому +42

      It's whimsical and fun. Woo hoo!!

    • @aditsuskianditapratama1720
      @aditsuskianditapratama1720 3 роки тому +15

      Pengiun on A Mission.

    • @lesley1204
      @lesley1204 3 роки тому +23

      @@itsalwayssomething7490 Because nothing says fun like terrorists taking hostages in a government building 😁

    • @matthiasfoo1217
      @matthiasfoo1217 3 роки тому +5

      feel like he just saw the terrible state of the film and just tried to get through it without loosing too many brain cells

    • @PhirePhlame
      @PhirePhlame 3 роки тому +10

      It just oozes with "the director told me not to make it too serious"

  • @gregwxst
    @gregwxst 3 роки тому +291

    Elfman's score was one of the most boring and uninspiring scores I've ever heard and Junkie's is the complete opposite and then some.

    • @casonallen4800
      @casonallen4800 3 роки тому +11

      I'm not really a fan of Elfman in the first place but yeah his 2017 score was really uninspiring

    • @CS-pg4go
      @CS-pg4go 3 роки тому +10

      elfwan's score was sooo forgettable

    • @cauaviniciusguedes2004
      @cauaviniciusguedes2004 3 роки тому +26

      Im a fan of elfman when it's good, but that score is so lame.

    • @Peter-wm7fj
      @Peter-wm7fj 3 роки тому +5

      I'm a little bit of worried that he's gonna score Doctor Strange 2 instead of Michael Giacchino.

    • @zeejay-junejo
      @zeejay-junejo 3 роки тому +5

      To be fair he was told to rush it. so yeah.

  • @kloonst
    @kloonst 3 роки тому +537

    Oh man that Superman resurrection discussion scene in JL2017...once you learn Gal Gadot filmed her takes in a different day and was just inserted in group shots, you can't unsee how her eyes don't meet/track with anybody she's talking to. Zack was able to cheat better with the Batman and Joker Knightmare scene.

    • @KabbalahSherry
      @KabbalahSherry 3 роки тому +2

      HONESTLY 🤦🏻‍♀️🙄 smh

    • @bigbrother8281
      @bigbrother8281 3 роки тому +12

      It looks so bad😂

    • @joenives2622
      @joenives2622 3 роки тому +45

      Zack is the better film maker

    • @thesharingonwarrior
      @thesharingonwarrior 3 роки тому +5

      Never knew that, now I feel like I need to force myself to rewatch that scene/movie

    • @86Fallowcp
      @86Fallowcp 3 роки тому +5

      @@joenives2622 Nah, both styles are completely the oppossite. Plus, its really hard to work on someone's work without his input and with the studio telling you "make it more like Marvel".

  •  3 роки тому +152

    Loved the theater part lol! In the 2017 I would be complaining about the guy clapping and screaming, because there was dialogue happening, but the SnyderCut gave room to the idea to breathe, and automatically there is space for the audience to cheer and enjoy that moment, because it was mostly cinematography and score, not dialogue.

    • @rushpan93
      @rushpan93 3 роки тому +12

      That's such a fantastic point. Never thought about it. Allowing dialogue room to breathe and leave an impact on you, sure, but to also have that drive the defining moments in the movie where the audience can cheer and remember.. that's, never thought about that. Brilliant point!

    • @mattymoore6981
      @mattymoore6981 3 роки тому +2

      I would hate to be in a theatre were people make noises.

  • @ggz55
    @ggz55 3 роки тому +332

    What I love about Snyder's films, is that the expressions tell more than a dialogue ever could. He doesn't spoon feed you everything. He allows your mind, like seeing half a picture, to fill in the pieces with your own interpretations.

    • @davidw.2791
      @davidw.2791 3 роки тому +15

      Just look at the death glare that Darkseid gives everyone.

    • @shira1003
      @shira1003 3 роки тому +17

      Yes, but most people don’t like to think when going to the movies and they trying to enjoy what they are watching. I understand what you’re saying and agree with you but movies at the end are entertainment. That’s why people are having hard time with Zack’s movies and they don’t get them or him and what he’s trying to show/say.

    • @detectiveconan7722
      @detectiveconan7722 3 роки тому +29

      Yes Zack is a visual Storyteller but most general audience fail to grasp his style. Can't blame either tbh

    • @heliopyre
      @heliopyre 3 роки тому +4

      I guess you people are forgetting the constant exposition dumps throughout the film.

    • @swapnilchaudhary2944
      @swapnilchaudhary2944 3 роки тому +10

      I explained exact same thing to someone yesterday. That's the best thing about zack imo. Im also glad that i was able to explain to him whole "zack don't understand characters" bullshit as well

  • @sourensoukatsui
    @sourensoukatsui 3 роки тому +372

    Barry Allen IS a scientist. He is not just a college nerd as what he was kinda reduced to in the Josstice League. I mean, his 'batcave' here in the Snyder Cut looks legit as a base of operations. In the Josstice League, everything was reduced to being comical. Barry Allen is not comical. He makes jokes but he is on a mission to solve the murder of his mother. His father's in jail. This dude is doing everything on his own, working countless jobs not just to become an accomplished weeb. He has one of the most depressing backstories ever and he makes jokes. the irony of his character perfectly mimics how lonely and sad people often laughs at almost everything. but when you get them to talk about what they really feel, you'll realize that the reason why they are making jokes and is always trying to be funny is because they are holding soooo much pain inside. all of these nuances were destroyed when the blackpink track plays out. not saying the flash couldn't listen to kpop. i'm saying the distractions in the background takes a lot of meaning to who barry allen really is as he was being introduced to us now. when bruce is describing the flash's suit which is supposed to be incredible, the rick and morty show playing in the background is sooo distracting, i never felt once that i had to be amazed because barry allen customized that suit on his own.

    • @aditsuskianditapratama1720
      @aditsuskianditapratama1720 3 роки тому +1

      Hello Yorn.

    • @rajyavardhansingh4491
      @rajyavardhansingh4491 3 роки тому +4

      Zack got the character completely wrong.

    • @ruta9044
      @ruta9044 3 роки тому +6

      Barry isn’t really that much of a joke person. Wally West is the comedic flash.

    • @tehmaimed
      @tehmaimed 3 роки тому +21

      @@ruta9044 Barry is still one of the more light hearted heroes though. I agree he was more comical than intended even in Zack's JL but we are seeing a young adult/teenage Barry here instead of the typical adult forensic scientist Barry in comics/other animations

    • @theinvictussamaritan4778
      @theinvictussamaritan4778 3 роки тому +5

      @@tehmaimed yeah, Barry Allen is 22 or 23 in Justice League, the youngest Barry Allen Flash we’ve had yet.

  • @SMBancho830
    @SMBancho830 3 роки тому +405

    That Lois and Martha Scene really works with Zack's superman theme but then the joke entered and lmao

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +28

      yes

    • @verdugo7974
      @verdugo7974 3 роки тому +3

      Bruh 😂😂😂

    • @programmingpersistence5716
      @programmingpersistence5716 3 роки тому +2

      It makes them more likeable an memorable...zack is the reason people dont like Martha Kent and lois lane they are always depressing and bring the movie down

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +33

      @@programmingpersistence5716 i strongly disagree

    • @programmingpersistence5716
      @programmingpersistence5716 3 роки тому +1

      @@samsonspin3256 the movie can be serious but a joke every now and again can make characters more likeable with little screen time..just my opinion

  • @iforgotthenamemate
    @iforgotthenamemate 3 роки тому +680

    junkie xl perfectly felt Flash world, kinda cyberpunky nerdy, sound design is way better too
    and when Flash enters the car with Bruce, Elfman score portrays Bruce as a broke bloke where JXL underlines his richness, can't get it enough.

    • @cauaviniciusguedes2004
      @cauaviniciusguedes2004 3 роки тому +35

      Since Mad Max: Fury Road, Deadpool, Alita: Battle Angel and Sonic The Hedgedog, and now more with ZSJL, i always wanted him to compose the flash, maybe he can in the flash movie in 2022, he have so much style, badass, old school and dramatic job in his Soundtrack. #restorethesnyderverse

    • @iforgotthenamemate
      @iforgotthenamemate 3 роки тому +7

      @@cauaviniciusguedes2004 junkie as i will call him, feels Electronic music much better than traditional composers hence better tracks he creates.

    • @MrALenCar321
      @MrALenCar321 3 роки тому +5

      @@cauaviniciusguedes2004 did you forget BvS

    • @eternalnjem
      @eternalnjem 3 роки тому +2

      @@cauaviniciusguedes2004 Have you heard his 300 score?

    • @sagittarius_warrior
      @sagittarius_warrior 3 роки тому +3

      love it a lot dude, literally listen to it on loop for an hour today. amazing.

  • @artix548
    @artix548 3 роки тому +254

    One other difference between Josstice League Flash and Snyder Flash in that one scene- Joss Flash seems more like an idiot, but Snyder Flash seems like he's only playing dumb.

    • @donamameng
      @donamameng 3 роки тому +26

      if synderverse continues, id like a scene that shows that tbh
      that flash thinks and perceives fast, making everything relatively slow
      like when he learned chess in the animated jl show way back when

  • @necro4383
    @necro4383 3 роки тому +378

    Flash's scene in the Snyder Cut got the best score ever, that's something pretty much everyone can agree on

    • @ysmaboy
      @ysmaboy 3 роки тому +9

      Can you please tell me the name of the score theme that plays on the heist where Wonder Woman saves the day? Please. I've been looking for it but I haven't found it.

    • @supergeek7134
      @supergeek7134 3 роки тому +8

      @@ysmaboy ''At the speed force'' :)

    • @KrazyJoesConcessionStand
      @KrazyJoesConcessionStand 3 роки тому +3

      Are you joking?

    • @rmartinez1993
      @rmartinez1993 3 роки тому +1

      No

    • @phoenixragsdale4579
      @phoenixragsdale4579 3 роки тому +2

      @@ysmaboy I believe that one is Wonder Woman Defending. I'm not sure, but it seems to fit

  • @theraginghouse
    @theraginghouse 3 роки тому +49

    This is what made zack snyder so good when I saw the resurrection of superman in the josstice league it just felt so underwhelming there is no feeling of superman coming back it was boring...but for the snyder cut the music the whole atmosphere of it after seeing the vision with darkseid you wonder how they are gonna pull it off and it just pulls you in and especially flash reversed the motherbox with the speed and hearing that justice league theme when he made it you just feel it there is a whole feeling with the snyder cut score that I can't describe

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +4

      The iconic theme that defines who Henry Cavill’s Superman is

  • @Cipher_Paul
    @Cipher_Paul 3 роки тому +115

    6:20 I can't believe how much this scene looks like it's straight up from a sitcom, I was weirdly expecting to hear laughs at any time in the background.

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +23

      Scene can’t fully be saved but could be helped with cut jokes. Colorgrade. And score

    • @rushpan93
      @rushpan93 3 роки тому +10

      Yea, the lack of score hurts the scene badly. That moment Martha looks away after saying "I suppose it's because he's gone of course", especially.
      Imo, you need either score and cinematography, coupled with color grade as samsonspin mentioned, to accentuate the emotions expressed by the actors. You can also do it with sound design instead if score like Breaking Bad did in a lot of scenes.

    • @horseoperamarker
      @horseoperamarker 3 роки тому

      Pff

    • @aditsuskianditapratama1720
      @aditsuskianditapratama1720 3 роки тому

      from James Corden Show XD

  • @peanut-junder
    @peanut-junder 3 роки тому +37

    I really love the Superman piano theme. It's beautiful and simple.

    • @verdugo7974
      @verdugo7974 3 роки тому +12

      I know right? ANY small cues related to "dun dun, dunn, dun dunnnnnn" gives me goosebumps EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

  • @nabongobong9155
    @nabongobong9155 3 роки тому +321

    Josstice league: is a Joke
    Justice league: is an actual movie

    • @samuels997
      @samuels997 3 роки тому +1

      And you are beautiful 😍

    • @dylpickle0927
      @dylpickle0927 3 роки тому +6

      @@samuels997 a) simp b) that's sssniperwolf, not the original commenter

    • @Kyran1996
      @Kyran1996 3 роки тому +2

      SSSteppenWolf.

    • @DJWixel
      @DJWixel 3 роки тому +1

      DarkSSSeid

    • @mauroperez8192
      @mauroperez8192 3 роки тому

      Josstice league just looks like a bad parody

  • @DOOMLORDHOKAGE
    @DOOMLORDHOKAGE 3 роки тому +57

    it comes down to this. Zack is actually trying to tell a story and evoke emotions. Joss Whedon was just trying to dismantle someone else's vision. Joss Whedon's justice league was souless and lifeless.

  • @DanCarsonMusic
    @DanCarsonMusic 3 роки тому +77

    As a professional musician and despite being a big Danny Elfman fan (mainly his 89 Batman music and the Raimi Spider-Man films), I 100% agree!!!
    Junkie XL’s, darker tone and consistency of themes from previous DCEU films, was a much better fit for Zack Snyder’s JL.
    I understand WB wanted to make a brighter film in 2017 but they could have still used the Man Of Steel, Ben Affleck Batman and Gal’s Wonder Woman’s previous DCEU themes for a more consistent continuity and better atmosphere in darker parts of that film.

    • @rushpan93
      @rushpan93 3 роки тому +9

      They just wanted to replace everything they could from previous movies. It's laughable how bad they panicked. And it's more laughable that they still have their jobs. The board that agreed to put that 2017 movie out should never be near any movie production ever again.

  • @sunsetman22
    @sunsetman22 3 роки тому +107

    I love how in Barry's first meeting with Bruce, when he mentions the "gorilla sign language", it's underscored by a small but very cool tropical-esque drum fill. now that's just amazing. also, when Barry is meditating on the way to Steppie's lair, there's a small, but very cool, eastern inspired gong-like sound. the little things are what make this score so amazing. and it helps that the whole four hour movie is a masterpiece, too.

    • @Stoic_Poet
      @Stoic_Poet 3 роки тому

      I don't get it, what does that gorilla sign language bit mean and what does that little drum fill supposed to signify? I found it a little odd tbh

    • @mayank-ys8up
      @mayank-ys8up 3 роки тому +11

      i think that was referring to Grodd

    • @VCA12
      @VCA12 3 роки тому +15

      @@Stoic_Poet one of Flash’s main villains is Gorilla Grodd, a highly intelligent gorilla that comes from a secret smart gorilla society. He is one of his most iconic villains. Gorilla Sign Language and the music are most likely Easter eggs to it.

    • @Stoic_Poet
      @Stoic_Poet 3 роки тому +2

      @@VCA12 oh cool, thanks

  • @qtarokujo3694
    @qtarokujo3694 3 роки тому +81

    as much as I like BLACKPINK's music, I'm convinced they put them there just to bait KPop fans into watching JL, also Snyder's cut feels much cooler with JKL's music

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +13

      yeah it makes no sense. only bc miller likes blackpink i think, but it doesn't make sense for the movie

    • @cauaviniciusguedes2004
      @cauaviniciusguedes2004 3 роки тому +8

      And the scene with kpop music in josstice league is so no sense and cringe.

    • @ma1ist
      @ma1ist 3 роки тому +2

      Prob some product placement?
      Like how UA is just branded on Vics jacket

  • @nicoreyes3602
    @nicoreyes3602 3 роки тому +100

    I like how the Amazon theme plays first when WW shows up then transitions to her theme the more she fights. She considers herself an Amazon first and foremost but when she’s fighting she knows she’s stronger than her sisters so it’s her job to fight harder.

    • @july8studio
      @july8studio 3 роки тому +7

      i love the amazon theme ONCE... after that... it was so damn annoying to the point of cringy. everyone i watched it with couldnt stop laughing and i couldnt help but wonder why no one told ZS it was ridiculous

    • @Osama-KIN_TMZ01
      @Osama-KIN_TMZ01 3 роки тому +6

      @@july8studio To be fair to Zack tho, it does fit really well with Wonder Woman's character... But yeah he did overuse the fuck out of it lol.
      I think many scenes could have definitely been better with more silenct and ambient tracks.

  • @Rallykat88
    @Rallykat88 3 роки тому +40

    5:12 "Reintroduces Amazon's theme..."
    3 hours later....
    "Re-Re-Re-Re-Re-Re-Reintroduces Amazon's theme as Wonder Woman breathes."

  • @Antidoxy
    @Antidoxy 3 роки тому +106

    I like the Amazon theme. Especially with the lower voice.

    • @bugs2814
      @bugs2814 3 роки тому +12

      Yeah, like it too but it was used too much it would be better if its used in a more concentrated way maybe three/four times in very very important scenes e.g: the introduction of diana/the amazon introduction/ fight with Steppenwolf and last but not least the beheading scene@

    • @Antidoxy
      @Antidoxy 3 роки тому +3

      @@bugs2814 agreed

    • @jkrrishnan
      @jkrrishnan 3 роки тому +1

      Definitely loved it. But like you guys said. It was a bit overused.

    • @arunchowdary4925
      @arunchowdary4925 3 роки тому +1

      @@bugs2814 I felt the same, they should've kept it only 3 times in the entire movie. That was bit annoying in my opinion

    • @vijaeaanchanan1123
      @vijaeaanchanan1123 3 роки тому +4

      It was overused but I kinda liked it makes me to see the same scean again

  • @benl.4577
    @benl.4577 3 роки тому +273

    My only complaint with the Snyder Cut's soundtrack is hearing Wonder Woman's theme every single shot she's present in. It's like when WW appears the whole movie goes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaAaaaAAA

    • @raulrangel8612
      @raulrangel8612 3 роки тому +8

      Yeah I didn’t know if that was Diana or just a choir

    • @D.Duck1993
      @D.Duck1993 3 роки тому +6

      That is SO true 😂

    • @levi_exiled8579
      @levi_exiled8579 3 роки тому +24

      Yeah. even huge fans hate it at some point. It's overused.

    • @vijaeaanchanan1123
      @vijaeaanchanan1123 3 роки тому +30

      It's overused but I kinda liked it wanna make me see the same scean again

    • @levi_exiled8579
      @levi_exiled8579 3 роки тому +10

      @@vijaeaanchanan1123 yeah. Vocals are amazing. I am really picky with music and got surprised that I didn't hate those vocals. It is good.

  • @caleb1950
    @caleb1950 3 роки тому +70

    Martha and lois conversation scene was so much better with the music

    • @SakurakoLover
      @SakurakoLover 3 роки тому +6

      He said you're the thristiest reporter you ever met

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +15

      @@SakurakoLover yeah but if there were no inappropriate jokes like that it would've worked in the movie.

    • @nickholcomb2220
      @nickholcomb2220 3 роки тому +2

      @@samsonspin3256 I think having the music and audio kinda begin to echo her out would have worked so well. It needs to drive home that we are more concerned with the emotional freight train of a reminder that Lois has just gotten for like the tenth time that day, and with the help of the amazing performance we also see that she has been getting these reminders every day and she’s just emotionally exhausted.

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +1

      @@nickholcomb2220 nice touch

  • @beverlydixon3187
    @beverlydixon3187 3 роки тому +57

    When i watched the 2017 version, I could never pin what it was that I disliked, except the whole russianesque type family that was a storyline, I never needed. Then I watched Zack Snyders' version and I was freaking out in my seat! EVERYTHING was better! Music, storylines, special effects, lighting! I still can't get enough! Your dissecting just this tidbit, involving the choreography of acting vs music, it just puts the cherry ontop the sundae of joy that is the Snyder's cut. Thank you!

  • @charlesmontvna3312
    @charlesmontvna3312 3 роки тому +28

    the snyder cut had like a nolan vibe. then i noticed in the credits he was an executive producer working w snyder

    • @soulpath1
      @soulpath1 3 роки тому +3

      Junkie XL is a protege of zimmer or something like that. Or maybe a close friend I forgot but they are closely related in some way

  • @5emiliobocanegra644
    @5emiliobocanegra644 3 роки тому +35

    Bruh poor Elfman, they just gave him 2 weeks to do the whole score after Junkie left, but you are right, they do not fit to the scenes

  • @samsonspin3256
    @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +51

    sorry about the audio quality for my voiceover being abrupt sometimes. If I wasn't back in school for the quarter I would've had more time to prefect the mix.

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +7

      I’ll try turn my mic gain down too. I think it’s at 100 lol. Didn’t realize how much white noise it would pickup

    • @FireflyArc
      @FireflyArc 3 роки тому +2

      You sound crisp at points but the white noise..can be distracting. I agree. Good luck at school though. At least we can hear you:D

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +3

      @@FireflyArc yeah mic gain was at 100 lolol on that pc. i turned it down for the recent one.

    • @frostkilling
      @frostkilling 3 роки тому +1

      @@samsonspin3256 pretty nice video nonetheless, first time I see you, gonna subscribe, good luck with school

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому

      @@frostkilling thank you 🙏

  • @cauaviniciusguedes2004
    @cauaviniciusguedes2004 3 роки тому +122

    Since Mad Max: Fury Road, Deadpool, Alita: Battle Angel and Sonic The Hedgedog, and now more with ZSJL, i always wanted him to compose the flash, maybe he can in the flash movie in 2022, he have so much style, badass, old school and dramatic job in his Soundtrack. #restorethesnyderverse

    • @randomness6768
      @randomness6768 3 роки тому +3

      Really hope Speed or Force becomes Flash’s theme. Sort of glad they saved it for the ending and didn’t use it subtly in Bruce and Barry’s first interaction.

    • @july8studio
      @july8studio 3 роки тому

      @@randomness6768 tbh the JW flash theme was alot better. i didnt even notice it in this new one.

    • @aRlyWeakCyclist
      @aRlyWeakCyclist 3 роки тому

      @@july8studio you're trolling, right?

  • @TheTurbanator123
    @TheTurbanator123 3 роки тому +84

    I will always maintain that age of ultron would have been received better had Alam Silvestri scored it.

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +13

      True. It would change the movie. Certainly a good bit. I wasn’t the biggest fan of it but had potential. And score would’ve helped

    • @TheTurbanator123
      @TheTurbanator123 3 роки тому +4

      I like what the composer did with Ironman 3 and Thor the dark world. But age of ultron flounders and Danny elfmans theme that he did for that final battle didn't feel like it had that much weight. I think Fiege wanted infinity war and endgame to feel more epic and be the true avengers sequel.

    • @dntm123
      @dntm123 3 роки тому +2

      Well here's the thing with Age of Ultron. While a lot of the music isn't very memorable and is just quite bland, it DID use Silvestri's theme at crucial moments (like not remixes, but the actual tracks from the first movie). Like the opening action scene with the one take of the Avengers battling Hydra, it's "I Got a Ride" from the first movie and it works so perfectly. Same with the final scene of the movie, it has the Avengers theme in all it's glory. It was something I noticed when looking at the soundtrack on it's own, which had all of the Brian Tyler and Danny Elfman stuff, but I only ever remembered hearing the flourishes of Silvestri's music from the actual movie, with the exception of the final battle which I remembered hearing Elfman and Tyler's theme, which just felt like a watered down remix of the Avengers theme.

    • @TheTurbanator123
      @TheTurbanator123 3 роки тому +1

      @@dntm123 its quite ironic. I mean buffy and angel two shows i love are currently on disney plus in the wrong aspect ratio and color grading. That there was so much extra footage for age of ultron (I've heard 4 hours) and joss whedon and fiege dont believe in extended cuts. Meaning the film we get in theatres is the film we will only ever get. To see junkie XL return for snyder cut and its four hours is ultimate vindication. Sure a story teller should be able to tell a story under two hours. But if there is a better story or version why keep it from the audience if it will generate good will. I feel bad for whedon slightly since he wanted black panther and captain marvel in age of ultron. I recommend people just read the comic age of ultron is based on its much darker with citizens being killed and their bodies being used as ultron puppet bots. Black Panther is also really cool in that arc. Anyways joss whedon is an asshole.
      Also you nailed it by saying watered down avengers remix.

    • @rushpan93
      @rushpan93 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheTurbanator123 i think killing Ultron off was another thing they maybe could have avoided. Just when he seemed like a growing threat, the avengers defeated him pretty easily in the end. If they'd have kept him imprisoned or disabled and leave a possibility of him coming back later, the stakes would have felt higher i think.
      I always feel kill the villain if they're made to look like an unstoppable force and the threat they possess is too great, or if there's zero chance they'll ever side with the good guys. Zod, Killmonger are great examples.
      All that said, I still sort of enjoyed AoU. Also, the only film where some hero dies for good in the movie's climax.

  • @RagingWB
    @RagingWB 3 роки тому +28

    5:56 Jesus Christ for second I had forgotten about the reshoots, and that 'A bEiLeVr' reshoot threw me off.

  • @CloneMalone
    @CloneMalone 3 роки тому +16

    Also notice that the usual Hans Zimmer/Junkie XL version of the WW theme uses an electric cello, unlike Elfman's version which used a more traditional brass section. Zimmer even said in an interview that he specifically didn't want to use more transitional superhero score instruments for Wonder Woman because of both the tone of BvS and this version of her character.

  • @Arjanator
    @Arjanator 3 роки тому +46

    That theatre comparison was perfect.

    • @yunicraft2698
      @yunicraft2698 3 роки тому +1

      Idk, people aren't that loud in cinemas

    • @Arjanator
      @Arjanator 3 роки тому +4

      @@yunicraft2698 I know, but it was a brilliant way of showing how much better the Snyder scene was.

    • @yunicraft2698
      @yunicraft2698 3 роки тому

      @@Arjanator i can definitely agree with that

    • @drake3004
      @drake3004 3 роки тому +1

      @@yunicraft2698 that was tame compared to what is actually loud

    • @yunicraft2698
      @yunicraft2698 3 роки тому +3

      ​@@drake3004 Even when I saw avengers endgame in cinema, the people in the cinema weren't that loud. idk, i live in Britain so maybe it's different around the world

  • @alphach1mp
    @alphach1mp 3 роки тому +57

    I only wished that some of Zachs scenes were a little brighter in some of the darkest scenes, specifically fight scenes.

    • @july8studio
      @july8studio 3 роки тому +2

      you mean all the scenes lmao its almost like every superhero in this movie had a DARK background the begin with... when in reality it should've just been bruce.

    • @alphach1mp
      @alphach1mp 3 роки тому +3

      @@july8studio No, I meant some action scenes with a lot of black and grey, and some scenes that they were almost grainy and almost looks completely desaturated that it starts to look like a little boot leg. I love tiny details but they have to show in better lighting. 10-20 percent in brighter lighting or redness, and just brighter scenes would have made a world of difference.

    • @soulpath1
      @soulpath1 3 роки тому

      I disagree the tone was perfect. He was going for a darker vibe for a reason. Having a mix of tones would defeat the purpose.

    • @alphach1mp
      @alphach1mp 3 роки тому

      @NGL Boyz I knew some of you would say that and missed my point.. Wooosh!!!!
      I'm not referring to Justice League colors.

  • @mikehamm45
    @mikehamm45 3 роки тому +7

    Ben Affleck deserves some sort of award for adding what he could to those Whedon reshoots. They were not great scenes but he really did hold them up. Good actor.

  • @DM-hq9gs
    @DM-hq9gs 3 роки тому +26

    The superman fighting steppenwolf score was amazing almost made me cry thinking of man of steel & hope for man of steel 2

  • @Harrison5ived
    @Harrison5ived 3 роки тому +41

    Danny Elfman was the king of the nineties. The problem is, it ain't the nineties anymore!

    • @SirBelmerD
      @SirBelmerD 3 роки тому +3

      I don't even think that's the issue. Danny Elfman is still a great composer, but sometimes there's not much cohesion between music and image in this film.

  • @charlesvo54
    @charlesvo54 3 роки тому +28

    I believe the original intent of Wonder Womans theme by Hans Zimmer was to invoke the image of wailing banshee, and here JunkieXL is enhancing the theme in his own way.

  • @jonathanedward3704
    @jonathanedward3704 3 роки тому +49

    21:26 when the scene comes bck to normal speed...the wind sound.. Barrys intense plus shocking reaction of acknowledging The Vengeance is right infront of him in his own room.. while holding his batarang he utters.. "You're The Batman?" ...and the alarming frightening sound hits...A true DC fan will have goosebumps 🔥thank you Synder for respecting Bruce Wyane

    • @jackfrost1953
      @jackfrost1953 3 роки тому +1

      Is that from the Snyder cut?

    • @jonathanedward3704
      @jonathanedward3704 3 роки тому +1

      @@jackfrost1953 definitely, cuz 2017 justice league barely has no soundtrack in these scene

  • @skyry101
    @skyry101 3 роки тому +90

    Two dislikes are Warners suits lol
    #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

    • @rileycantreid6214
      @rileycantreid6214 3 роки тому +6

      Change it to #RestoreTheSnyderVerse. There is much more stuff in that hashtag

    • @skyry101
      @skyry101 3 роки тому

      @@rileycantreid6214 👍

    • @leolizard3152
      @leolizard3152 3 роки тому

      #ReleaseTheGreenLanternScene
      #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

  • @anmolbasson
    @anmolbasson 3 роки тому +7

    I loved the score in the snyder cut, especially the one when flash reverses the time. I could literally feel my heart sinking.

  • @AllBackEmergency
    @AllBackEmergency 3 роки тому +8

    The score is so perfect, it really does make the movie!
    #RestoreTheSnyderverse

  • @BFArch0n
    @BFArch0n 3 роки тому +8

    Who the hell got annoyed by the Amazon theme song? It's freaking EPIC....goosebumps man, I love it.

    • @Sonotbearface
      @Sonotbearface 3 роки тому +1

      Exactly

    • @soulpath1
      @soulpath1 3 роки тому

      I don’t think it was overused at all. Maybe they coulda did a different key or different melodical line for the vocal singing but even without, it was great

  • @DanielPestanaTranslations
    @DanielPestanaTranslations 3 роки тому +9

    I can’t even put into words how good the Zack Snyder Justice League is. Almost every scene gave me goosebumps. My favorite superhero movie so far. #RestoreTheSnyderverse

  • @dannybenhur6123
    @dannybenhur6123 3 роки тому +108

    If you see BVS without any expectation, you realize this... BVS is a not a movie but a song.. And that's why in zack Snyder cut movie rescoring works, because zack designs his movies like epic songs....

    • @animuchan6136
      @animuchan6136 3 роки тому +2

      epic

    • @aniket3811
      @aniket3811 3 роки тому +3

      That’s why you shouldn’t watch it
      It’s good for ears only

    • @unrealbot3027
      @unrealbot3027 3 роки тому +13

      @@aniket3811 that's why 'you' shouldn't watch it. Because it feels like you brain functions like an ear.

    • @aniket3811
      @aniket3811 3 роки тому

      @@unrealbot3027 atleast I’ve a brain... you on the other hand, not so lucky

    • @Nicholas_Chen_
      @Nicholas_Chen_ 3 роки тому +5

      A song of Black and Blue.

  • @j.francisward1897
    @j.francisward1897 3 роки тому +67

    The worst thing about ZSJL is that it isn't in theaters in the US.

    • @ASIMO001
      @ASIMO001 3 роки тому +14

      It isn't anywhere worldwide, only private screening if you have a fangroup willing to pay for. This movie deserved to be screened in IMAX theaters.

    • @imsentinelprime9279
      @imsentinelprime9279 3 роки тому +3

      It's not in theatres anywhere. It is exclusively on hbo

    • @july8studio
      @july8studio 3 роки тому +2

      @@ASIMO001 yeah lets release it into imax theatres during a pandemic lol

    • @july8studio
      @july8studio 3 роки тому +4

      @@ASIMO001 sweart to god, some folks dont realize the only reason why we got this was because of the pandemic. be happy we even got this version. stop getting greedy

    • @aftokratory
      @aftokratory 3 роки тому

      @@july8studio It's not really because of the pandemic. The main reason we got this is because of HBO Max. If Warner did not have a streaming service, they would never have given Zack Snyder the money to finish the movie. They would never have released it in theatres with or without a pandemic.
      theatricalbetter than the Josstice League, they look like idiots for dumping so much money for Zack to finish his cut. The only way they were gonna release the Snyder cut is to package it as an additional director's cut to attract HBO Max views. That way they don't look stupid and just look like they are investing in their subscription service.

  • @CL-Lynn
    @CL-Lynn 3 роки тому +15

    superman's theme brings me to tears every time

  • @Ali.Ahme.D.Khan.
    @Ali.Ahme.D.Khan. 3 роки тому +15

    "I could practically use every scene as an example." . BURNNNNN

  • @TazZ243
    @TazZ243 3 роки тому +11

    Zimmers's Man of Steel score is a classic, in my opinion.

  • @lutfirahman63
    @lutfirahman63 3 роки тому +26

    No one
    Not a single person
    Wonder Woman breathing: Amazon's theme playing loudly

  • @RagnaR3xa
    @RagnaR3xa 3 роки тому +61

    Ever since I watched PItch Meeting's vid I can't stop laughing everytime I hear Wonder Woman's theme.

    • @MnM008
      @MnM008 3 роки тому

      I'm actually surprised that people liked it😂

    • @horseoperamarker
      @horseoperamarker 3 роки тому

      Same lmaoo

    • @Gerarudo
      @Gerarudo 3 роки тому

      Pitch Meeting is tight!

    • @Missjunebugfreak
      @Missjunebugfreak 3 роки тому

      Same. That Amazon theme became hilarious as the movie went on.

    • @lesley1204
      @lesley1204 3 роки тому

      I didn’t even notice how overused it was until the memes started 😂 still think it’s great though.

  • @zay4510
    @zay4510 3 роки тому +4

    Wow I never realized how much the subtle music in the background MAKES a film

  • @domdomdomdom
    @domdomdomdom 3 роки тому +10

    I actually feel sorry for Elfman. He was being led around by Whedon as much as anybody else, being told to quote from previous scores, feels, etc.

  • @tinbui7202
    @tinbui7202 3 роки тому +102

    great job bro, you enlighten me. That one dislike must be Danny Elfman

    • @samsonspin3256
      @samsonspin3256  3 роки тому +32

      Lol no disrespect to Danny. But there’s more than one Batman theme 😎.

    • @divyabhsinghal5540
      @divyabhsinghal5540 3 роки тому +8

      I will always respect Danny for the Spider-Man score

    • @dcdodo2323
      @dcdodo2323 3 роки тому +1

      Theres 2 dislikes now..so him and Joss then

    • @johnnycrush1793
      @johnnycrush1793 3 роки тому +1

      @@dcdodo2323 now 3 so wb must have disliked it too

    • @laughingbob5786
      @laughingbob5786 3 роки тому +2

      Dont disrespect my man Danny who composed the 80s batman and og raimi spiderman

  • @Chopperwocky
    @Chopperwocky 3 роки тому +7

    Excellent video man! You highlighted why The Snyder Cut worked and why the Whedon travesty didn’t.

  • @ChristianIce
    @ChristianIce 3 роки тому +40

    The only thing I didn't like from the OST is the Amazons' theme.
    That "female cry-singing" was nice in the Gladiator, at the time of Troy was released it was already abused, now it's just redundant and annoying to me.

    • @adiprasetya2207
      @adiprasetya2207 3 роки тому +9

      Same, at first it was cool. But then it's a bit kinda overused I think

    • @mst4439
      @mst4439 3 роки тому

      It's funny when I saw WW and the Snyder cut, the WW scores really reminded me of Gladiator and that made me really like it, maybe I'm just biased because I love that score and Hans Zimmer lol

    • @TheFinalFarewell
      @TheFinalFarewell 3 роки тому +5

      I liked it the first time it showed Wonder Woman on screen in the movie, but it got old fast as a portion of it played (I kid you not) FIFTEEN times throughout the movie

  • @darthbane5676
    @darthbane5676 3 роки тому +6

    I saw Zack Snyder’s Justice League twice and hearing the Superman theme still gives me goosebumps.

  • @bunnyfreakz
    @bunnyfreakz 3 роки тому +16

    Wheedon reshoot looks like deleted scenes you find on bluray extra. So you just have a little extra laugh and glad they do not use it.

  • @aravinthvk7835
    @aravinthvk7835 3 роки тому +5

    I certainly observed this too. How good the background score was in snyder cut. Which also gives the movie more depth and details in characterization. Hats off for the score💯🙌.

  • @paranguarimi
    @paranguarimi 3 роки тому +11

    Josstice league is a comedy. So the score is perfect for its tone.

  • @Nextgengrim
    @Nextgengrim 3 роки тому +5

    i always say, "If you dont know how to feel, listen to the music and let it tell you."

  • @MarcoBayod_MB
    @MarcoBayod_MB 3 роки тому +7

    Man of Steel theme is amazing

  • @rexnoct5810
    @rexnoct5810 3 роки тому +13

    any movie lover knows how much the score can affect the movie and play a part of making scenes amazing like the superman discussion scene.

  • @MrOverHeels
    @MrOverHeels 3 роки тому +14

    To be fair, Danny Elfman score wasn't that bad, but it fits more to a campy superhero movie, which Justice League was not supposed to be.

  • @FinneySP
    @FinneySP 3 роки тому +8

    Ben affleck mastered Bruce Wayne’s vibe.

  • @munishtrikha7791
    @munishtrikha7791 3 роки тому +4

    Thumbs up for theatrical reaction to the superman hologram👍👍👍

  • @PhirePhlame
    @PhirePhlame 3 роки тому +6

    Your depiction of the one loud superfan in the theater that's always fucking clapping was super accurate

  • @mynamejeff7419
    @mynamejeff7419 3 роки тому +6

    Wonder womans theme is probably my favorite superhero theme of all time

  • @ungulatemanalpha
    @ungulatemanalpha 3 роки тому +6

    The [ancient lamentation music] fits the scene of WW on the statue of Justice a lot better IMO because...well, the statue of Justice is a woman holding a sword. It's not exactly a subtle thematic connection to draw

  • @ddf7933
    @ddf7933 3 роки тому +6

    The all score of the Snyder Cut is one of most memorable of superheroes movies history.
    Remove it was an act against human culture.

  • @cesarsantivanez4111
    @cesarsantivanez4111 3 роки тому +28

    Junkie xl/Hans Zimmer score: BADASS
    Danny Elfman score: ASSASS

  • @vikyathkamalesh5268
    @vikyathkamalesh5268 3 роки тому +5

    Nothing beats hans Zimmer's themes 😭

  • @matthiasfoo1217
    @matthiasfoo1217 3 роки тому +5

    I have a feeling Danny Elfman really just didn't care about josstice league, he say how much of a disaster it was and just decided to do the bare minimum

  • @Dragonten312
    @Dragonten312 3 роки тому +2

    6:50 that scene with Clark's theme was perfect, until that joke hit

  • @GuruPrashanth7970
    @GuruPrashanth7970 3 роки тому +2

    This is such a beautiful analysis, especislly the superman part. Great job Sam!

  • @ma1ist
    @ma1ist 3 роки тому +1

    The bring superman arc is so fun in the synder cut.
    Not just the dialogue but the slow and quiet scene of digging up his body leading into the charged and action packed scene of actually reviving him with dropping the mother box and flashs runs to provide a charge.
    Vic's vision as he sees the chain of events. Dude I would have loved to see that shit in theatres.

  • @rohanranjan616
    @rohanranjan616 3 роки тому +4

    at 6:59 the first note ( piano MOS ) melts my heart , and I levitate.

  • @julianr8544
    @julianr8544 3 роки тому +1

    Really great analysis, hope this video gets more recognition and views!

  • @Bugtown
    @Bugtown 3 роки тому +2

    I love how in the ZS one the sound design is so immersive you can hear the foot steps and honestly I love that shit 👌1:34

  • @oneyedthing
    @oneyedthing 3 роки тому +4

    How Benny Hill music can blend to any action scene at 2x playback speed

  • @billy_rayes
    @billy_rayes 3 роки тому +4

    Dude I loved your theatrical experience comparison. WB robbed us of that Superman moment what a shame.. I truly do miss moments like that in the theaters. Sigh..

  • @Pakilla64
    @Pakilla64 3 роки тому +4

    You made me feel like I'm in a theatre again. THANK YOU

  • @Cheeks730
    @Cheeks730 3 роки тому +1

    That wonder woman theme for the snyder cut is absolutely horrendous and me and my girl rolled our eyes every time the "Ancient Lamentation Music" music came up when she did literally anything

  • @MINDSPARK-u6e
    @MINDSPARK-u6e 3 роки тому +19

    A lot of the Zack Snyder themes would not work with a Josh Weeden stone

  • @edslushie570
    @edslushie570 3 роки тому +2

    One other way you could explain Elfman's score in the terrorist attack scene is that he was simply scoring from the villain's perspective. The fancy, piano-heavy orchestration, the tempo matching his footsteps, the more indifferent tone - it's the kind of music that makes you want to tent your fingers like Mr. Burns and whisper "Excellent..."

  • @Matheis-qx9dm
    @Matheis-qx9dm 3 роки тому +4

    Everything is fine
    Except for the fact that I wanted to commit seppuku every time the Amazon's theme played when WW appeared

  • @AlBroMedia
    @AlBroMedia 3 роки тому +3

    They should have kept the “stole your pocket watch, or your railroads” line. That shits actually funny.

  • @euqi1463
    @euqi1463 3 роки тому +2

    Excellent video. I was surprised how different it felt watching two similar scenes with varying scores. For me, this just really hammers on the idea that Whedon or Warner took their lovely time sabotaging this movie.

  • @theglobalchampionshipwrestling
    @theglobalchampionshipwrestling 3 роки тому

    Great video! It's cool to listen to someone who truly understands what a music score does to a movie. MOS, BVS, and ZSJL soundtracks are just so nostalgia filled

  • @oksureapollo8486
    @oksureapollo8486 3 роки тому +2

    The score in Zach Snyder's JL reminds me of Sergio Leone's Once Upon A Time In The West.

  • @VeMpX8
    @VeMpX8 3 роки тому +4

    the score when the final fight ww, cyborg and aquaman is freaking lit and scary it gives me goosebumps

  • @SaurabhMishraFlute
    @SaurabhMishraFlute 3 роки тому

    You brilliantly demonstrated the importance of BGM in any movie. Many of people don't realise what a score can do with the movie.

  • @zhinx2955
    @zhinx2955 3 роки тому +2

    for me,. in scoring timing, "she with you" scene still unbeaten

  • @ninj493
    @ninj493 3 роки тому +2

    i would have loved if FLASH was the guy in this scene instead of wonderwoman coz him dealing with the terrorists would have made more sense in the way dodging the bullets or even maybe phasing through them
    flash defusing the bomb in nanoseconds
    would have been a cool speedster character introduction coz most of the audiences knew who wonderwoman is etc

  • @forteboston
    @forteboston 3 роки тому

    Thank you -- this was a pleasure to watch and you have a fantastic-sounding voice.

  • @Elezeid
    @Elezeid 3 роки тому +1

    Your videos are slept on, my friend. Thank you for this. Subbed.

  • @ivyseason9219
    @ivyseason9219 3 роки тому +10

    i like both the wonder woman theme tho 🙈