How To Get that Massive Worship Drum Tone with Samples
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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Get that Massive Worship Drum Tone with this Industry Secret
Question, what if you could sit down at any drum kit and have it sound exactly like the albums you love? Now you can.
Payden Hilliard, drummer for Leeland & Co-Owner of Drum Sample Shop, has spent the past 6.5 years playing 1000s of services on different drum kits all over the tone & quality spectrum!
Sometimes he shows up at a church and the drumset is absolutely incredible! Other times he shows up and the kit is almost impossible to redeem. He wasn't able to bring a drumset with him on the road either, so he needed to come up with a solution that would allow him to achieve consistent high-quality sounding drums.
The solution: triggering acoustic drum samples!
While there are a lot of physical drum kits out there that you can use to get great sound, they can also be expensive. That’s why sampling has become so popular in recent years. With samples, you have access to an immense range of sounds and tones to choose from at an affordable price.
In the video below, Payden is going to talk all things drum samples in a worship settings. He'll cover:
The Best Worship Drum Samples
Whether you’re a drummer for a church worship team or just getting into recording your own music, having the right drum samples is essential. Drum samples can help you get the perfect sound for any style of worship music, whether it’s rock, jazz, hip-hop or something else entirely.
Today, we’ll provide our top pick for the best drum sample packs available today-and tell you everything you need to know about different sounds and uses so you can get the most out of your purchase.
How To Use Drums Samples - Gear & Setup
Knowing how to effectively use drum samples in your worship set is essential for achieving a rich, powerful sound. With the right drum samples and a little bit of know-how, you’ll be able to bring your worship tunes to life like never before.
We’ll discuss how to navigate the world of drum samples, from the software and hardware you need, to loading them into your setup. We'll cover everything you need to know to be up and running in no time.
Don't let the quality of your drumset keep you from having the drum tone that you've always wanted. Watch now!.
GEAR LIST:
- Roland SPD-SX
- Kick: Roland RT-30K Kick Drum Trigger
- Snare: Roland RT-30HR Dual Zone Trigger
- Toms: Roland RT-30H Single Trigger
![Ish Melton | Drums: Dynamics & Transitions [Gateway Worship Training]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zhQhN23q9bI/mqdefault.jpg)
Pure gold this is. Couldn’t be more under-rated.
glad you enjoyed!!
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I imported these samples into my Roland TD17 and layered two velocities per pad. Sounds awesome!
What do you mean layer two velocities per pad?
Any church drummer can relate with the idea of not knowing what kit your going to play! lol Thanks for sharing man.
So true!!
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Finally! I’ve been tellin’ errybody how good the JETS kits smack. Glad someone finally made a video.
ayeeee 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for showing us this. I really appreciate it.
That's my guy Payden! Great to see your growth brotha!
I guess 2 things to add, 1st you need Steven Slate Trigger to use these samples in a DAW to sample replace your Snare/Toms live, alternatively if its post recording you could convert audio to midi (using transient mode) and then use say a drum rack inside Ableton and load them up that way. And the second point is blend the snare sample with your existing that way it still feels real. I know both Bethel and Upperroom only use the samples for full groove moments.
Hey Ollie! Yeah, we are familiar with that method. That's definitely one of the ways to go about it! Go ahead and watch both parts of the video series we did to see how we went about blending, triggering, & everything else you mentioned. Appreciate your thoughts, man!
@@Worshiponline can you post a more in depth video going over routing, settings, and sensitivities?
@@nhowery he won't, it's his business
The last kit can literally fill ur stomach....
So don’t worry about making your drums sound good, just get triggers and buy our samples. 😂
Simple solution lol
On the real tho. So frustrating.
Dude, I don't think you paid attention the video at all. There's a lot of things that go into making drums sound good for worship, proper tuning is only a part of it.
@@matthewm7487 I think it was just a joke my brotha
@@Edwardhh turn your snark detector on.
the face expressions had me crying😂😂😂 this guy has humor
He kills me 🤣🤣🤣👏👏❤️
This dude is chill, we'd be friends I think 😂
Payden is the MAN! King of Wit & King of Kit!
UNREAL - love the detroit style drums
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the pizza boxes did it for me. 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
Glad you think so!
The pizza box raw kick low key sounded good. Lol
Right?!? 🤣🤣
Super impressed, great video!
thanks for the awesome content! My church uses a TD-50k2 electronic drum. Would you recommend using these samples on electronic drums? the kits on the TD-50x module are great but they don't have that worship sound for the snare that the samples have
glad you’re enjoying the content!! I would recommend these samples! You can also check out Drum Sample Shop- they have phenomenal samples.
🤣🤣🤣 this dude is hilarious 😂 I think the third kit is the most common one that you might see in majority of the churches. And even if you bring your triggers most sound tech don’t even know what’s that thing 🤷🏽♂️😆
He is the funniest dude around! We love the guy. The cool thing about what Payden showed in the series is the sound tech doesn't even need to worry about what triggers are! All the sound tech needs to do is provide an input for the samples to go to the house through and then mix them with the drums! Super super cool & easy! Part 2 shows how Payden sets up his SPD-SX for this. Give it a look!
Hahaha I love that last kit, where can I get one from 😂😂😂
Like Payden said, SUPREME! 👨🏻🍳👨🏻🍳👨🏻🍳
Couple HUGE questions:
What's the mixing process for samples and regular mics?
just straight 50/50? and how do you eq the sample. like you would a regular snare?
What sensitivity do you set your triggers to avoid that awkward "machine gun" sound of the samples at low volume or playing ghost notes etc?
No replies? Sad 😔
@@goodc713 Kyler! So sorry for our delay. Big apologies! Email support@worshiponline.com and one of our audio guys can answer this question!
You really can’t get one of your audio guys to just reply to the comment you’re already 3 months late on lmao
You simply play dumbest possible groove with no dynamics, go ghost notes, flams, just like in the video.
the answer is... whatever sounds good. 50/50 blend to start and adjust from there. if you need more articulation/natural dynamics, lean more heavily on the natural drums. if you need more consistent hits, lean more heavily on the samples. as far as eq, i believe these samples are already eq'd so it's just plug and play.
Great video! Although floor tom sounds so dead.
So boxy, perfect 👌🏼
STUFFED!
Yo that tone is cheeeesey!
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i use triggers with drum samples as layers on top of mics and they sound great
What triggers and drum module are you using?
@@notforyoutube Roland Rt30K for kick and rt30 singles for toms with Roland Tm6 Pro module
Witch are those mics…. I mean the two for the snare, two for the kick and the rest of the set… I would like to know
Snares are SM 57's
Kick is Shure Beta 52
Toms and Overheads are made by Sennheiser
Gotta love Moon Gels lol 😂
absolutely!!
New drum heads properly-tuned are still cheaper than triggers and samples.
Good point... But i think triggers and sample will make your sound consistent you could use it for a long time too
It’s good for touring in case you have to play another kit. I get it
@@kyronnewbury i like to think i can tune decently and I've only been drumming for three and a half years 😅😅
I think Genre is also important, i wouldn't do this if i play in a Jazz band or something. Find out what fits you the best. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Maybe for recording an album, wich takes sometimes a whole year to do having that consistency in the tone of your drums without having to tune after every session (lets be honest "great tunning" is subjective). Than yea i wpuld choose those triggers. But it's all about trying things out for your self and figuring what really works, instead of having an opinion on something without really testing it
And having great drumheads but bad mics won't cut it either, you can spend anywhere between $800 or more on average great mics
Thanks for the video. Watched part 1 and 2. Quick Q - Does this setup with the SPD SX allow for multi-velocity sample triggering? or is it just one sample being played at different volumes?
Do you mean multi-velocity triggering on one drum? That is the same as playing samples at different dynamic ranges! You can control that from the triggers themselves
@@Worshiponline So, with samples... would I be able to start a soft build and slowly get louder on the snare and floor tom? Or are the samples just going to stay the same volume no matter how hard I hit? Or is there a way to add more dynamics?
that pizza box drums sounds a lot better than my real drums
Good stuff brother!!
Thanks for watching, Dennis!!!
Awesome info!!!! Are these available for Roland TD-50X ?
Thank you!!!
Sounds great. what are your trigger settings for the snare trigger? I’m using a Roland trigger with the SPD X and keep getting some misfires from the trigger.
13:00 LoL - awesome man!!! Hey loved this video!!!
Love the hats, what do you use?
A series from Heartbeat!
Can I download this samples to Yamaha EAD10, or DTX PRO module? It only one layer samples?
You should be able to, yes!
@@Worshiponline thank you
Would this only be possible for recordings? How can it be done live?
thanks for the great video! where can i get these drum samples? link please
Yes! www.drumsampleshop.com/
Not sure if it’s the way his arms are always angled or long shirt I can’t not see him as a little person. It’s trippy.
Hahahaha u put it in my head xD
True
Im using midi trigger in both way, 1 for enhanced the sound of my already good acoustic drum with clap, synth and other with noise or low end boom. The 2th reason is for recording midi data with my favorite software sampler im already full of good acoustic and electro drum sound, but thanks.
Hello, I'm trying to find a way to download the spd sx editor, but I don't see software available to Mac OS Monterey 12.3.1, any suggestions?
Hello! Download the software that’s available. It should work!
@@Worshiponline I tried to download the software last night but a message kept popping up saying that it couldn’t open because of malware issues.
I have a yamaha multi 12 the samples work with it
The Rack Tom sound and samples are clashing on all 3 kits so bad haha, Id roll off the attack curve on the sample but then youve still got the weird tone clash
But the other drums samples surprisingly work really well with the acoustics!
Also thats a 60s acro, i have the same
Are there different velocities? We are looking for sounds that we can trigger with a plug in for our broadcast. I am the drummer and really want these sounds but our engineer wants sounds with different velocities.
Last but not least. Can we buy these Sounds in a tci-format too?
God Bless btw
Yes! You can set the velocities for each trigger on the trigger itself!
The secret to that snare sound that no one will tell you is the compression and reverb that’s on it.
Set the compressor threshold to 20 db below where the snare is hitting, and set the ratio to 2:1. Give it roughly 6-8 db makeup gain and you’ll have the nice initial hit.
Then, set the reverb to sound as much like a stadium as you can, and listen to the difference in your mix.
Hello! Can you share a video or documentation on how to set up these triggers to the spd x? I only see 2 trigger options on the console. Not sure how you are doing 4
If we are running a Roland TD50 (electric kit) can we load these samples onto that? How would that work?
You can! You would just follow the instructions on your electronic kit on how to load samples from your computer
Payden: no drum kit? Okay, we 1st gonna buy pizza.
Thank you for this vid! Part 2 was very helpful for me. Also, it would really love to see how it all goes to FOH. Is it one mono DI box from the SPD-SX to FOH or are both Master Outs being used? Are the Sub Outs being used? 2 stereo DI boxes? Also, what triggers are being used? I only know of the DDrum Triggers. Thanks!
At 5:13, it looks like it’s one mono line out to FOH. If that’s the case, are all of the samples already the same volume? Are they balanced in the SPD-SX itself or is there no volume balancing necessary?
@@EstebanOnGuitar Hey Esteban! We’re connecting with our team to get you that answer. Thank you for your patience!
@@Worshiponline Awesome! Thank you very much :) sorry for all the questions lol
@@EstebanOnGuitar My man, WE LOVE THE QUESTIONS! Thank for you watching and asking!
Live setting output configuration:
1. electronic perc sounds - main out
2. acoustic drum samples - sub-outs
All drum sample shop samples come mixed & mastered at the same level so that you can put everything down the same output without wonky leveling issues!
@@Worshiponline Awesome!! Thanks for the response. This is super helpful. This vid inspired me to try this at my church and, I think it's going to work out super well. Thanks for the inspiration, y'all.
Put anchovies on em.... they dampen really well. 😜
Is there another video on how to set up the this unit and run it to the house sound
Any tips for setting trigger thresholds so you don't get false triggers or trigger when playing softer?
Hey Jared!
We’re connecting with our team to get you that answer. Thank you for your patience!!
Play with the threshold settings a bunch, make sure your dynamic settings are on so that the sample volume matches your playing velocity, and also look into getting a kill-switch for the moments you know you don’t want to trigger a sample!
This may be a stupid question, but I’m curious since he’s not running 100% samples and he’s using a hybrid between the sample and the actual drums. Do you have to tune the drums to the same pitch as the samples? It seems like if the drums were tuned lower or higher than the recorded samples you’d hear the difference when the sample is triggered and it wouldn’t sound good.
Not a stupid question at all... I would say that you could tune the drums how you want/need them for the room you are in and then modulate the samples inside the Roland or whatever DAW you are using...
@@marcusfinchum6322 Ok, cool 🤙🏻
just ordered the black stallion just to get my feet wet... kinda hyped..
How do you go when you play a cross-stick. Is that your second sample on the Snare? Or do you use the second sample for a rim shot on the Snare?
Hey Bill! I want to make sure I answer your question correctly. You want to know if there are 2 different samples for cross-sticking and rimshots?
the pizza boxes tho 🤣
10:40 Just Like Heaven by The Cure :D
I just bought your US/UK packet, which exact kick and Snare did you use the most in the record, or on the way maker live version?
Great question! I’ll get back to you on this 👊
WFL III drums are made where I live in Kansas!
I just set this up and I’m noticing quite a bit of delay/latency from the SPD-SX especially when blending with the kick/snare mics at FOH. Any pro tips?
Great question! Email support@worshiponline.com, and one fo our audio guys will help with this answer!
I think I can hear a delay in this video also, in particular on the kick drum and toms. Not sure though.
I assumed that you would always take your own gear everywhere you go 🙂
We love convenience 😅
Sounds cool....Each trigger $100+ x 4 or more, wires, and $500+ module.... It does add $1000+ to your setup. This does expose a secret.....That being said, I really like to get my drums to sound good without all of this stuff....And if you are setting up every week....it will add time to get everything up, soundcheck never goes perfect. Might as well get a Electronic Kit.
Great point!! All depends on what you're wanting as a drummer!
I bought the drum samples. I am wondering what folders are the low end hi Tom
Do you run the rt30hr at the snare drum as mono? Because otherwise you run in issues with not enough inputs at the spd-sx? Would it be the same in your setup to use rt30h for snare?
Thanks
I brought the RT30 triggers but even tho I have stereo splitters I'm running into the issue of having both triggers 1/2 having the same sample come out even though I assign different ones to them. Is there a fix to this? Any help would be much appreciated!
Hey Jesse! Yes would love to help! Hit up Payden on Instagram. @paydenhilliard He will definitely give you some guidance.
@@Worshiponline Payden is unresponsive unfortunately =\
I know this old now, but was wondering if anyone knows how to adjust the velocity or sensitivity of the trigger? Im using the same setup with roland drum and even purchased the samples in video. Im running into a lot of double trigger and was wondering if there was a way to tame it better.
Email support@worshiponline.com and they will help you!!
Tunebot settings for the pizza boxes?
Hello, does anyone know if the US + UK pack will work in electrix drums like the Alesis Strike Pro SE??
I want to try but new to tge electric kit... thank you!
We're not sure! Let us do some research and get back to you!
@@Worshiponline did you figure out the answer on this question? I have the same question, same electronic kit.
Where can I buy the drum sampler and trigger?
Payden’s gear list is:
- Roland SPD-SX
- Kick: Roland RT-30K Kick Drum Trigger
- Snare: Roland RT-30HR Dual Zone Trigger
- Toms: Roland RT-30H Single Trigger
We try our best to list out in the video description every piece of gear someone uses in one of our videos. Check there for future videos!
As far as the samples go, you can find the ones Payden used and a ton of other options at his website - www.drumsampleshop.com/
Much appreciated 🙏🙏🙏
Where I buy this samples ?
Here! www.drumsampleshop.com/
I bought the same equipment but am not sure how to set it up… can you show how to set up triggers and cords
We don't have a video for that yet, but search online for some how-to's in the mean time!
What I don’t understand is using the samples will u hear it or will people out side the drums hear it cuz I’d love this for my church and then but I don’t how to connect to implement them like he does
Samples are for you and your congregation! If it doesn't work for your community, that's ok too!
What if I have more than 2 toms? The spd-sx won’t have enough inputs.
Can get a splitter
Yes, you could get a splitter, or you could run it out of the sub inputs!
Do these samples work on electric drum set ?
Yes, they do!
Link for the samples?
Here you go! www.drumsampleshop.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmuiTBhDoARIsAPiv6L-nHO3CYBrqL76Fr1M_dGcHoxvH-HVkmWB_Rn7-ICkQ2DxZGakH0EoaAqOuEALw_wcB
Is this the hip hop one?
How did you configure trigger settings on SPD-SX to have all triggers working? I have tried and miserably failed due to one trigger overcoming the other’s signal. I have same config of triggers as in the video.
Hey Axel! Our team is working to find a solution for you! Thank you for your patience
In the SPDSX, have you loaded all the preset settings for each of the triggers?
@@Worshiponline seems I missed the update where the RT triggers are registered. I used to set it with a dual pad to split the triggers in rim and head. I’ll check it out today and update for audience convenience. Thanks for replying and God bless!
What about dynamics? Does it works with the triggers?
You can change the velocity on the triggers themselves for dynamics!
Thanks for sharing this. Question: how do I mix the real drums mics with the roland samples?
Have the same question!
Good question! That can be done on the triggers themselves, and in some case from FOH!
Hi! I recently started incorporating samples at my church with the drum kit and I’ve run into one small issue. With the snare, I’m a pretty big fan of rimshots for the volume and tone. When I started trying to use my Roland HR-30 for the snare sample, I noticed that my rimshots would sometimes “cancel” the snare sample from firing. Have you found this problem and/or have a workaround?
I’d really appreciate your feedback
In addition to that, do you pretty much lay off of doing cross stick, as the snare trigger will fire? Or do you actually utilize the "R" of the "HR" trigger?
Hey Gaige! In the SPDSX’s trigger settings you want to make sure you’ve loaded the preset that matches the trigger you’re using.
@@Worshiponline so I am using an Alesis Multistrike pad but it automatically detects that it is a dual sensor trigger so I dont have that issue
Do you have sample packages available for Roland Vdrums?
Hey Eli!!
Yes! All you would have to do is have these sounds on a thumb drive or usb cable, and upload them into the Roland brain!
Payden!
Is it possible to put this into Steven Slate digital
Yeh you get trigger presets
@@Olli3_Morris where would I get them
@@kginkling they should come in the folder you get when you buy it
@@Olli3_Morris oh ok I’ll see when I buy them
@@kginkling is steven slate digital the same as trigger? If not you may just have to make your own presets but they do give you the different velocities ready
Which Triggers are You using??
Hey Salomon! Here they are!
- Kick: Roland RT-30K Kick Drum Trigger
- Snare: Roland RT-30HR Dual Zone Trigger
- Toms: Roland RT-30H Single Trigger
Soooo just a little update on my side..😊 I bought the triggers a year ago and play with them in church since then. I mostly use them as gates and this video made me curious how that "shit" works because it's a whole lot of effort to really incooperate those things in a real church environment. Randomly the Video just popped up again and I watched it again and decided, it's now time to buy the samplepack. I started a UA-cam Channel where I do worship drumming and I'm so pumped to set my spdsx up with those samples to enhance my drum sound for my next worship covers! Lots of love from Germany man you brought a whole big stone into rolling the last 1.5 years😂👍🔥
Sounds like 80s music drums
Supreme lol
👊
The cheap set with the samples sounded the best to me 😂
😂😂
Is like Madness from MUSE! Top!
What snare drum you used in the first kit?
A 6.5″ x 14″ 1909 aluminum snare drum!
You guys that dont like it, dont buy the samples nor the triggers keep sounding mediocre. Even professional mixing engineers use drum replacement so why not to use that tool if you lack of a good drumset/drummer/acoustic space/mics/mic technique/mixing skills/ good mixer/ and good overall mixing a band thats some of the things to make a drummer sound good besides tunning.
You make a great point!
Is he running triggers through the SPD?
Yes!
I choose the pizza boxes!
Is the SPD-SX a Necessity?
You can load these samples into any sample host!
Where can I buy those pizza boxes?
Hahaha 😂
Does the pack have cymbal samples as well?
Didn't look like it, and doubtful as there's no great way to trigger/replace cymbals. Cymbals gotta be real (or else, look for a top-end electronic kit/brain and cymbal triggers).
Hi Ryan- this is Jonny from Drum Sample Shop! we release our cymbal pack tomorrow! It's called King Gong! drumsampleshop.com
Mistriggering and the ever miniscule time delay made this process a no go for me.
I never got part 2 sent to my email :(
Hey Fer! Checking in to see if you ever received Part 2
@@Worshiponline Hey, no I never did..
HUAAUHHA OMG!
#latency. fix that and you've got something. The flam sound needs removed.
Thank you! Noted!
How to get a massive drum tone - have Sammie Gibson mix your record.
Who will then still use drum samples 😂
true story!
What triggers is he using???
Payden used...
- Kick: Roland RT-30K Kick Drum Trigger
- Snare: Roland RT-30HR Dual Zone Trigger
- Toms: Roland RT-30H Single Trigger
@@Worshiponline But as far as I can tell, the SPD-SX only accepts 2 dual-trigger inputs, so if he's using Y-cables to bring in 4 triggers, he's only getting single zone from each (thus the snare trigger doesn't necessarily need to be dual zone; it's not connecting to two inputs).
I LOVE sarcasm. :)