i find it so amazing and so interesting that my Buddhism teacher used to be in this band. I want to know how he became apart of all this. (he's the asian bassist) He's such a cool guy! I love you, Dr. Jimmy Yu!!
I was in a Detroit band that played with YOT. We all loved No for an answer and Uniform choice an Slapshot and scores of lesser known bands in the 80's. We were total stoners or coke heads. I'd tell people we're not straight edge, but we're positive! We weren't in the business of converting people.
I think they may be still at it (maybe just choke). I thought when I eventually lost interest they broke up. I think later in the game they went metal-ish, not bad metal, but not the american oi edged HC sound from the 80's. They were badass, especially when they had the bass player from SSD in the mix. Good times for sure.
@@tymmac007 Still are! Saw them with AF in Wilmington NC a year or so ago. Jack is still on point! I do prefer the older stuff, but the performance was awesome.
These docs are great, but there's so much to the NYHC scene from the 80s that many will never know about. Krakdown, Underdog,Trip 6, Breakdown, Ludichrist etc bands that not alot of people knew about, but were raging!!! So glad I grew up then and was part of this
I was there in the early/mid-90's when the straight edge thing got crazy. The CT scene was extra militant, and shows at the Tune Inn were best enjoyed by staying in the back where you could be uninvolved in the melee and crew politics. I would change my regular suede skate shoes into canvas Vans slips before shows so as not to get mobbed for wearing leather products during a show. A couple years later it got nuts when dudes started carrying guns into shows. I think the crest was when some kid got brain damage from a crew guy bringing a madball (pool ball in a sock) into a show and actually hitting someone with it over some minor beef. A couple years later, a kid shot into the crowd at a venue in New Britain, which basically ended weekend hardcore shows around Hartford.
@@jamesdoctor8079 Dude, that was fn wild. You heard that shot clear across the room. Had to re watch the clip several times to see what he got hit with.
Mike Judge, thank you for everything, Your moral values helped shape my personality, You are the "role model" kids need at the right time in their right moment.
Said the same thing on Part 1: Where's the Botch documentary? Brian Cook is a Noisey corespondent, it'd be easy as hell to get Dave V, Dave K, Brian, and Tim in the same room for 40 minutes and tell their story. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. WE WANT BOTCH...or at least I do. lol
I was born in 1988...so it's cool to see what bands looked/sounded like before it became some fashion show. Especially the honest and practice what you scream ones like Judge. They are fucking real man. As juvenille as that is to say.
Pete Wade I was born in 88 and I’ve seen plenty of hardcore bands that learned from bands like judge and made their own great music. Music has always had the underground and the popular fashion show shit. You gonna sit there and pretend glam rock and hair metal weren’t a thing? The emo/scene thing was just our generations version of that.
No band has made an impression on me like Earth Crisis. It blows my mind when I think about how little credit they got.If you go and simply read there lyrics from front to back you will learn so much more than any other straight edge band I can think of...
Mike's lyrics never made me violent, his lyrics actually made me think on life back then.👍 People just look for an excuse for the thing's people do. Lyrics have nothing to do with it.
that's my only problem with mike judge. he was young, pissed off at the world and didn't realize that what he wanted to do could be misinterpreted by meat-heads, idiots and far-right elements not caring about the weaker than thou. I know judge really doesn't stand for that but if not explicitly part of the content. Like with all the viciousness aimed at society, it should include, THAT BLACK MAN NEXT TO ME / IS NOT THY ENEMY
It was funny then, still good for a few laughs. At that time, kids did not have social networks to whine about social justice so they made bands. The concept of making things better itself is hilarious but when you add "scene" into it , then it becomes a complete shitshow and people who actually started hardcore never really accepted any of these things simply because it was against the basic idea- - do whatever the fuck you want to do.
I had to pretend to be straight edge or I'll get my ass kicked there's a lot of straight edge gangs in Utah they where at every hardcore show they used get on the stage of the black metal bands and the concert will get shut down
This is a total lie. I’m from Salt Lake City, born and raised, and have been going to punk and hardcore shows since 2001. There is no such thing as a “straight edge gang” here. There are groups that usually clique together but they’re also friends with other cliques of kids from the hardcore scene. There was a lot of violence in 05 until I wanna say 2012 but it was mainly because these shows would group differing genres on 1 show and both genre scenes didn’t care for it, so there was bound to be conflict. As of 2020, I was still going to hardcore shows, and honestly I haven’t seen violence at a show since 2014, with the exception of a few minor scuffles here and there. November 2014 was a tragic, head turning, and redefining moment in SLCHC history.
Who cares if someone does drugs? As long as they control their behavior & don't act like retards or assholes, that's what matters. I've seen people stone sober act like bigger douchebags than a stoner or even a hard drug user. It really has no bearing on anything. It's the person who determines the behavior. Drugs are a scapegoat. As long as nobody FORCES drugs on you, who cares? Maybe call out rapists & murderers in your songs. Violence is a greater evil than drugs.
Ok, now that you've got all the tabloid mythology stuff out of the way, can you make an actual documentary about Judge the band? They basically invented metallic hardcore on Bringing it Down, but there is literally no discussion of the actual music making in this whole 28 minutes. The band wouldn't be remembered if it was just Mike fronting some generic hardcore band.
Long story short, racist skinheads ruined it, too bad they didnt come out with a song talking about it or something I think that woulda been more cathartic than quitting
I guess stefan and mike are kinda similar charecters in that they act pretty shy except when on stage and they both apear to have emotional issues but the music isn't that similar really
Nah, man...go to Drew Stones yt channel, Stonefilmsnyc and watch the Mike Judge episode of NYHC Chronicles live. He goes into it better there. It was more the culmination of several things that built up over time.
where and when was that show with those nazi brats @ 12:00 ? mike's reaction to racism in front of them was just a plea for "having a good time". it was just a reconciliation for enjoying the music or product they deliver, while leaving out any political connotations. not here to say they never took a stand against racists (at least they picture themselves as if they were), but I wanted to get a better picture of that show and couldn't find any footage.
Minor threat was about individuality and a convergence of positive anger and proactive aggression. JUDGE’s fans and music are violent and about being against people who choose to live their own way.
Hardcore teens used to be pissed off about things while Minor threat used to laugh at the troubles of those days. Both of them had a nice message about drugs
I lost it completely when that guy screamed "NINTENDO POWER" at the neo-nazis. That dude's my hero.
Thanks for pointing that out lol… I had to go back to hear it
i find it so amazing and so interesting that my Buddhism teacher used to be in this band. I want to know how he became apart of all this. (he's the asian bassist) He's such a cool guy! I love you, Dr. Jimmy Yu!!
@Clams McGee always a dick somewhere in the comments
Clams McGee nice
your buddhism teacher so cool, mate!
That's awesome. There's a certain kind of zen and presentness that comes from hardcore so to me that's not so surprising
hardcore goes hand and hand with zen on a primal level
"I couldn't even save myself, I was trying to tell you all; but you didn't listen."
That and “No matter how hard I screamed they were always like, go back to that first reference point.” Dang.
ease make more hardcore docs like this. this shit is so good
baker3person That's impossible, Judge were the best!
I was in a Detroit band that played with YOT. We all loved No for an answer and Uniform choice an Slapshot and scores of lesser known bands in the 80's. We were total stoners or coke heads. I'd tell people we're not straight edge, but we're positive! We weren't in the business of converting people.
centralscrutinizer66 Slapshot were SO good!!!
I think they may be still at it (maybe just choke). I thought when I eventually lost interest they broke up. I think later in the game they went metal-ish, not bad metal, but not the american oi edged HC sound from the 80's. They were badass, especially when they had the bass player from SSD in the mix. Good times for sure.
what band were you in?
@@tymmac007 Still are! Saw them with AF in Wilmington NC a year or so ago. Jack is still on point! I do prefer the older stuff, but the performance was awesome.
@Voice Of Reason I saw slapshot and AF in Raleigh that year, if I knew they played Wilmington as well, I would have went to both
These docs are great, but there's so much to the NYHC scene from the 80s that many will never know about. Krakdown, Underdog,Trip 6, Breakdown, Ludichrist etc bands that not alot of people knew about, but were raging!!! So glad I grew up then and was part of this
I was there in the early/mid-90's when the straight edge thing got crazy. The CT scene was extra militant, and shows at the Tune Inn were best enjoyed by staying in the back where you could be uninvolved in the melee and crew politics. I would change my regular suede skate shoes into canvas Vans slips before shows so as not to get mobbed for wearing leather products during a show. A couple years later it got nuts when dudes started carrying guns into shows. I think the crest was when some kid got brain damage from a crew guy bringing a madball (pool ball in a sock) into a show and actually hitting someone with it over some minor beef. A couple years later, a kid shot into the crowd at a venue in New Britain, which basically ended weekend hardcore shows around Hartford.
Are you talking about the show with hatebreed on UA-cam where the CT guy hits someone with a madball from Boston
@@jamesdoctor8079 Dude, that was fn wild. You heard that shot clear across the room. Had to re watch the clip several times to see what he got hit with.
CT hardcore hell yeah.
Mike Ferraro created JUDGE to have a darker approach and follow the Oi street punk movement.
Check out Part 1: bit.ly/1GLSbUm
***** where it went, it was on the bringing it down album
the pen is mightier than the sword.
germnbill penis mightier??
germnbill Not in the short term.
Love this band. Discovered them too late.
Never too late brother, loved it in 88 still play it now. Keep listening.
The Anthrax club!!!! Norwalk CT! Man I had so many fun times there seeing tons of H/C bands, from Rollins, to Poison Idea. Great times
This amazing. It will be great if you did something like this for Blood for Blood.
Gibrann Piña hell yeah
came up in Boston and the story end with Buddha a rapist so it kills anything else before that .
First time i heard JUDGE was in '87, on the tape from Swiss radio show, SPEED AIR PLAY, they had the coolest new bands on the show
Mike Judge, thank you for everything, Your moral values helped shape my personality, You are the "role model" kids need at the right time in their right moment.
Said the same thing on Part 1: Where's the Botch documentary? Brian Cook is a Noisey corespondent, it'd be easy as hell to get Dave V, Dave K, Brian, and Tim in the same room for 40 minutes and tell their story. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. WE WANT BOTCH...or at least I do. lol
This short documentary was needed for us to know what happened
I was born in 1988...so it's cool to see what bands looked/sounded like before it became some fashion show.
Especially the honest and practice what you scream ones like Judge. They are fucking real man. As juvenille as that is to say.
Pete Wade I was born in 88 and I’ve seen plenty of hardcore bands that learned from bands like judge and made their own great music. Music has always had the underground and the popular fashion show shit. You gonna sit there and pretend glam rock and hair metal weren’t a thing? The emo/scene thing was just our generations version of that.
I'd love to see an Earth Crisis documentary
Yesssss
No band has made an impression on me like Earth Crisis. It blows my mind when I think about how little credit they got.If you go and simply read there lyrics from front to back you will learn so much more than any other straight edge band I can think of...
I was at that Tampa show, it was very short, scary, and really fucking amazing.
Awesome seeing these. Was great seeing them when they played Cleveland
Perfect name for a straight edge band
These are so great. Please do one on blood for blood
I'm looking forward to part 3
metrosea Any idea when it's coming out?
want to see one on SHELTER! Good Job Noisey!!
if fascism is the answer then the question is wrong.
wow !!what a band 2015 come on judge time to come back time to rock!!
Great doc. Love the band.
People who do drugs were in my way. That's why I found a new dealer so that I got the first call.
Mike's lyrics never made me violent, his lyrics actually made me think on life back then.👍 People just look for an excuse for the thing's people do. Lyrics have nothing to do with it.
Wow,great telling of the story
I love judge. I bought the album. And found my purpose.
I hate how misinterpreted punk music can get even by punks themselves
When fed up came on... Chills. All over. God damn.
kevxxxedge me too!
I miss CB's and the Sunday Matinees so much
that's my only problem with mike judge. he was young, pissed off at the world and didn't realize that what he wanted to do could be misinterpreted by meat-heads, idiots and far-right elements not caring about the weaker than thou. I know judge really doesn't stand for that but if not explicitly part of the content. Like with all the viciousness aimed at society, it should include, THAT BLACK MAN NEXT TO ME / IS NOT THY ENEMY
it happens unfortunately. human error is an equation you can never eliminate
wheres part 1?
They actually called up Mike Judge thinking they were talking to the "Beavis and Butthead" guy.
Great kick ass energy ;)
Who’s the blonde kid with the guitar/bass?
Porcell
Anyone know's where can i watch this video ? 6:36
0:51 what track is that bass line from?
'Where it Went' Friend
One of my favorite bands to bad they didn't last to long
Judge> Botch
Lol nahhh
It was funny then, still good for a few laughs. At that time, kids did not have social networks to whine about social justice so they made bands. The concept of making things better itself is hilarious but when you add "scene" into it , then it becomes a complete shitshow and people who actually started hardcore never really accepted any of these things simply because it was against the basic idea- - do whatever the fuck you want to do.
I had to pretend to be straight edge or I'll get my ass kicked there's a lot of straight edge gangs in Utah they where at every hardcore show they used get on the stage of the black metal bands and the concert will get shut down
This is a total lie. I’m from Salt Lake City, born and raised, and have been going to punk and hardcore shows since 2001. There is no such thing as a “straight edge gang” here. There are groups that usually clique together but they’re also friends with other cliques of kids from the hardcore scene. There was a lot of violence in 05 until I wanna say 2012 but it was mainly because these shows would group differing genres on 1 show and both genre scenes didn’t care for it, so there was bound to be conflict. As of 2020, I was still going to hardcore shows, and honestly I haven’t seen violence at a show since 2014, with the exception of a few minor scuffles here and there. November 2014 was a tragic, head turning, and redefining moment in SLCHC history.
@@Regulatethespot 2001 lmfao
True until 21
I keep listening Pantera. So similar
You’re joking right? Not even close
@@yaboyreege7158 prolly thinks Korn is hardcore
Who cares if someone does drugs? As long as they control their behavior & don't act like retards or assholes, that's what matters. I've seen people stone sober act like bigger douchebags than a stoner or even a hard drug user. It really has no bearing on anything. It's the person who determines the behavior. Drugs are a scapegoat. As long as nobody FORCES drugs on you, who cares? Maybe call out rapists & murderers in your songs. Violence is a greater evil than drugs.
^Pot head single mother making excuses for her child abuse.
Yeah ....!!!'😈
3/4 the way through the second video I’m still wondering where is this documentary going
Ok, now that you've got all the tabloid mythology stuff out of the way, can you make an actual documentary about Judge the band? They basically invented metallic hardcore on Bringing it Down, but there is literally no discussion of the actual music making in this whole 28 minutes. The band wouldn't be remembered if it was just Mike fronting some generic hardcore band.
robert goyette I concur - but it's a four-part series so perhaps they'll cover that
"They basically invented metallic hardcore on Bringing it Down"... except Age of Quarrel beat it by a year.
@@kriskjellquist1758 and it was miles better than bringin it down
Long story short, racist skinheads ruined it, too bad they didnt come out with a song talking about it or something I think that woulda been more cathartic than quitting
Right, just folded up like the laundry and put itself away. Should do like soia and got out there with some uppercuts
So its like Death Grips.
***** Absolutely not
Nope
It would be funny if mc ride turned out to be in a biker gang tho
I guess stefan and mike are kinda similar charecters in that they act pretty shy except when on stage and they both apear to have emotional issues but the music isn't that similar really
(lol)
..... Way bigger problems in the world than "drugs"... Good band though.
And young neo nazis loved it and are conservative TRUMP supporters today. But hey i smoked bud but fought along side some straight edge kids .
Trump supporters have nothing to do with neo nazis. Take that trash to the dump
Anyone who isn't conservative is an enemy of America.
666
Dude couldn't stand up to racism so he quit? lol
Nah, man...go to Drew Stones yt channel, Stonefilmsnyc and watch the Mike Judge episode of NYHC Chronicles live. He goes into it better there. It was more the culmination of several things that built up over time.
Still corny..
6:13 Looks like dude did a nazi salute. Hope I'm wrong
Don't worry, you arent. And if you are, there definately is one somewhere else in the video.
where and when was that show with those nazi brats @ 12:00 ? mike's reaction to racism in front of them was just a plea for "having a good time". it was just a reconciliation for enjoying the music or product they deliver, while leaving out any political connotations.
not here to say they never took a stand against racists (at least they picture themselves as if they were), but I wanted to get a better picture of that show and couldn't find any footage.
First bitchezzzzz ;)
Tacktixx Diabolo nah
Why should we care
JUDGE single-handedly and disgustingly destroyed what Minor Threat beautifully created.
How?
I like them a lot more than minor threat
Minor threat was about individuality and a convergence of positive anger and proactive aggression. JUDGE’s fans and music are violent and about being against people who choose to live their own way.
@@113KILL5 both of their messages are pretty annoying.. Musically I prefer judges sound though.
Hardcore teens used to be pissed off about things while Minor threat used to laugh at the troubles of those days. Both of them had a nice message about drugs
mike looks exatctly like dwid from Integrity!! Wtf. Same hat and beard + all that fat =)
NS sXe!
he is on the CIA paylist.