Can A Stealth Fighter Bomber Squadron Beat A US Carrier Group? (Naval 15) | DCS
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What mods do you use for the stealth aircraft?
(I know the D-117A's in DCS as a non-flyable aircraft, but I've also seen Reaper vids with flyable F-117As so I'm curious as to what mod they use for that too)
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A stealth fighter formation attacking a nuclear carrier group, flying at wave-top altitude, seems very much in the spirit of Ace Combat.
and US tax dollars
@@recyclingbin_ All the US tax dollars.
@@mi4936 Every single one. And then some. Let's tax Canada a bit too
@@karnukabiyu2909 Grab all the black gold too.
Just Need some ICBMs lol I miss infinity
In This Video: "We employ the F-22A as a-"
"Air superiority fighter!"
"No. A $200 million cruise missile."
Plus the millions in training for the pilot.
@@andrewdoesyt7787 a pilot willingly plowing into a carrier.
Fax
Surely the pilot could punch out in time realistically.
@@AlexeiTSE yep and get waisted in his shute by 30mm aa guns :D better to just crash. much less painfull ı think :D
"kamikaze ourselves into the carrier"
yes, we are definitely the good guys
There's nothing actually immoral about Kamikaze attacks, provided the aircrews are actual volunteers.
@@helmsscotta most of the kamikazes of imperial Japan were volunteers too - indoctrinated volunteers, but volunteers nonetheless.
The destructive capability of modern weapons is greater than a jet running into an object. Returning to base is a better strategy with guided weaponry. Even in WW2, Kamikazes were not an effective use of resources.
He took one for the team!
@@KevinSmith-qi5yn Well, seeing as a normal bombing run is already suicidal as most of the planes would've been taken out. A high casualty rate for a fairly low hit rate. Kamikazes are fairly practical as even though they have a 100% casualty rate most of the time, it requires fewer planes to field. Requires less training, and most types of aircraft are capable. At least for World War 2 standards, using a modern plane may work but it's less than practical and far riskier with the advancements of radar and missile technology. Back then sure, a Japanese MXY-7 Ohka can't be countered when it's already going on a bombing run, but even then it had to be ferried fairly close to an Allied strike group with most of their motherships being eliminated by fighter patrols. Kamikazes are practical in that they require less training and fewer planes even if it ends up in a 100% casualty rate. Even in a modern standard, it can be pulled off, but doing such is a waste of resources with the amount of guided weaponry that exists.
$32B worth of bombers to kill a $4B carrier. Carrier still wins the procurement victory!😂😂
The real value is all the missiles and planes still stuck inside
That is included in the $4B. The empty ship itself is still $3B or so.
The real cost is training a new crew
@@animeemail8902 I hope you mean the carrier crew😂.
Carrier didn't even sink though. It might still be able to be recovered
Next week :can the space shuttle coming in from orbit on a suicide mission kill a us carrier
WTF... when you take alucard Blackbird kamikaze dive to the next level
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 wait a minute. Theres a Blackbird mod in dcs to do this?
@@rodrigonunez9451 no, it's just in Hellsing ultimate
i know you are joking but i think that is the future of US space force nuclear attack capability. remember that drone spaceplane with clasified cargo that can stay in orbit for 3 year? what if those clasifieddrone space plane carrying nukes.
@@ALTINSEA1 just as strategic nuke bombers were being phased out in favor of ICBMs, the ICBMs are gonna be phased out in favor of space nuke drones (or maybe not entirely, just a wild guess)
You lost more than the value of that entire Carrier group in those b-2 spirits.
1 B-2 Spririt is $2.1billion USD
it literally would have been cheaper to send an icbm with a low-medium yield nuclear device and then deal with the consequences
@@theanarchist9733 : Iran would probably rather have some fallout than a rogue carrier group to deal with. They'd still call it a Zionist conspiracy and make a lot of noise, but they would, privately, breathe a sigh of relative relief.
Almost lost enough B2’s to fund two Nimitz-class’s
@@jtrx753 That’s the project cost, not the production cost. To produce 1 more B2 to replace the lost one is much cheaper than that. (Ignoring the fact that they don’t have those factories anymore)
Not the greatest raid in history, but the most expensive.
Slight problem - the water you'd be kicking up at 10ft above the water at 800 knots would be a dead giveaway.
Gotta say that the roll Over the mountains, even if it was just CGI was pretty fucking cool.
Sure, but they can't target a fast moving rooster tail, they need some kind of targetable signature, more importantly the water kicked up in front of the plane from the defending CWIS probably would have caused the plane to crash into the water, that was so much water to introduce into the engine intakes not to mention potential aerodynamic effects.
Enough to alert the sailors’ eyeballs and ears though. Which gives them enough time to engage the F22 with Phalanx.
I'm pretty sure that the reason the B2s got shredded was because they had their flap/ailerons/airbrakes or whatever up, just my 2 cents tho
that would increase their rcs
The RCS value for the B-2 in DCS must be too damned high.
IIRC the F-117 is 0.025m^2, the B-2 is 0.1m^2, and the B-1B is 0.75m^2. The Spirit supposedly has the same RCS as a small bird. From some angles it could be as low (or lower) than the F-22 and F-117, as there are no vertical control surfaces or corners to reflect radar energy.
Anyway, it's always been difficult to estimate the B-2's RCS because they typically carry radar reflectors or have escorts, especially when on non-combat missions outside of US airspace. We also don't know much about it's electronic warfare capabilities.
Spoilerons?
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It would be like the fight during the Civil War on a Mississippi River the two ships fired at each other until they ran out of cannonballs. They both turned away and drove away.
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I read the Corsair II's were very accurate as well..
It looked like the southern B-2s were flying with their air brakes on when they got destroyed. Wouldn't that greatly increase their RCS?
Yep that's how a f117 was shot down becouse it put it airbrakes up and bomb bay open that greatly I creases they're rcs
yeh id spotted that too!
Probably but the northern ones got it too just at a nearer range probably where the radar resolution improved on the slick B2s.
Adam Frank yes it would. If you're flying a stealth mission to go at a carrier group, you have to pick your course and fly as straight as possible. Those ships all come packing some gargantuan radar power, so the deflection of control surfaces will compromise hour stealth. This is why the best configuration for stealth omnirole aircraft is tailless, using 3D TVC to maneuver, & with either no control surfaces, or lockable ones that can be uncoupled from the FCS so nothing moves on the aircraft except the TVC nozzles. That is rear aspect though; if that carrier group is seeing your 6, you already failed lol.
@@viruspter1dactl Not quite how it happened. The F117 was on return from bombing. The Yugoslavs found out that their radar at long wave lengths could detect the F117. Plus the US was using the same paths over and over. None of the missiles actually hit the plane but, one exploded close enough to cause damage and put the plane into a spin.
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lol awesome video, thanks for putting in the effort to make this series.
b 2 irl: has never gotten detected
b 2 in-game: gets detected instantly and every single one gets shot down
In Farnborough Air Show back in 2003, a nearby Rapier Jernas SAM installation "painted" a B-2. Granted, this was a B-2 that has just taking-off, their flaps and landing gear are still retracting.
1 was shot down and another was damaged by an S200 system
@@mkgzt That was a nighthawk, not a B2
one thing to note the b2 was designed to be able to surface skim and not for high altitude stealth as the USAF was not sure they were stealthy enough
@@yohannessulistyo4025 In those circumstances it would almost certainly have been operating with radar reflectors on. The RCS in a non combat scenario can easily be obfuscated, and there is nothing to gain from not hiding it.
Cap, try this. Have the B-2s take out escorts on the way in. Do everything the same, but take out escorts and see if a B-2 can get through.
I'm thinking that too. Generally bombers would have fighters to protect them
I recommend taking out the E2 before the B2s can be detected, have the F117s take out the escort ships, B2s come in last to get the carrier and remaining escorts. F22s throughout the mix in case of carrier launches or CAP interference.
An even more interesting approach is to exploit the game and have the B2s fly circles outside that 15-16 mile circle where the SM2s can't lock them.
Think of it as targets they will fire at, but can never shoot down, you can deplete their SM2 storages that way.
Load or load them with standoff guided missiles, maybe some low yield warheads on them...
@@cdc194 I don't think the game modeled that the GBUs can be tracked and targeted by AA.
Well, scenario-wise it's either the rogue admiral you suggested or the Congressional budget conflicts have got a lot more intense
F-22s take out AWACS, then fighter cover, then send in the F-117s to take out the Aegis, then let the B-2s clean up the rest of the carrier group.
14:20 is exactly why there's always at least two poor souls standing on deck at all times. The Lowflyer could have easily been spotted at least a minute before impact.
I thought the same thing whether the radar sees it or not somebody is going to notice from a long way off visually and audibly a fighter jet screaming across the surface of the water in broad daylight
Sure but what could the observer have done to change the targetable range of the plane to CIWS? Maybe called general quarters and a few more sailors might have survived the kamikaze.
@@dallaswood4117 He was going above the speed of sound. They would not have heard this attack coming.
@@roryross3878 You can realistically see about 10nm at most wheather conditions. Planes can be seen relatively easily hence the report would have possibly enabled the radar operator to realize that there was indeed a signature. But I am not a weapons or gudaince officer and was just a sailor tasked with spotting these things.
@@smartfreak7105
He was going above the speed of sound IN THE AIR. Forget about outrunning the speed of sound in water.
The SM-3's are having trouble because their terminal guidance radar is really really short wave, which happens to be where RAM works really well.
The B-2s would have dropped to the deck if they were expecting to get that close to a carrier group. It's actually cold war doctrine for attacking aircraft to fly less than 100m if attacking a target that has heavy radar defenses. That's why they have terrain avoiding radar, so they can fly low and fast.
At the altitude he dropped it, I could easily see real world defenses blasting those bombs out of the sky, especially laser weapons.
It's kind of like putting sails on a carrier group, minus the wind, and having Pirates defend it, against fantasy country, with stealth jets. doing Target practice.
"He's taken the full carrier group with him somehow....." This just made me laugh 🤣🤣
I hate to say this when you where flying that low at full speed that would be one hell of a roster tall of the water you would not have made it
I am fairly ignorant about the topic, what does “roster tall” mean?
@@boylikenik6167 the jet wash coming off the engines would cause a wall of water coming up behind the jet
@@boylikenik6167 quite sure it was a typo and he meant to type "Rooster Tail" aka the spray of water created by fast moving boats or in this case, a supersonic jet skimming the surface.
@@turbonegroegg indeed, and even subsonic planes can create the effect, Coast Guard airline frames do it often.
Yeah. Stealth or not, he isn't invisible. One of the escorts would have lit him up with CIWS.
Brilliant video Cap, great dedication to the cause with all the unseen background work that goes into setting these missions up.
thx
From what I understand, the SM-2s being launched but not guiding is pretty realistic. Certain radars can see stealth aircraft, but they can't track them accurately enough to guide a missile to the target at certain ranges.
The F-22 is IMO the best looking plane ever made.
*N O*
I respectfully disagree lol.. classic Hornet is clearly the seggsiest aircraft
that trophy has to go to the F4-Phantom II or the Gripen
I will say the F117 that is my favorite plane and would love a full fidelity one in DCS.
The f-4 is so sexy, but the Flankers look so good too. Honestly its hard to decide. I love most aircraft, beautiful machines.
I feel like something is off with the modeling for the B2, I know they're bigger planes but they have much more advanced stealth than an F-117. Feel like they should've gotten through, though they really should've been at a higher altitude to mitigate visual spotting (they're really easy to spot during the day, like big black sky Doritos lol).
Rgr, like I said in vid, stealth is only roughly modelled in DCS.
Can a carrier be defeated if the entire crew is on the flight deck eating soft-serve ice cream? That scenario is 4 times as realistic as that one
Escort crews have to be doing similar
People would still be manning the essentials.
20:11
The dedication of the Launch crews are legendary!!! Their carrier is hit and about to go down but still ready to launch another aircraft. :)
The slow motion tho!!! That’s awesome!
I dont know why but my Russian friend really likes this series!!!!!!!!
I love the idea of B2s flying through a veritable rain squall of unguided SM-2 missiles that can't see them through the stealth and chaff xD
Next challenge: can you recreate 1999 Yugoslavia and shoot down an F117 with a SAM 3 Goa or known in the east as an S-125 Neva/Pechora
Just imagine chilling on the carrier looking off into the distance and... bamb an f22 out of no where smacks into the side of the ship
Grim: Flies into a carrier
Carrier: Many huge holes across the deck
Grim: I seem to have disabled the carrier by accident
Pretty sure the reason those B-2s started falling is because they had their damn speed brakes deployed! Talk about presenting a huge radar target. Compared to a clean configuration, obviously giant speed brakes are going to give the missiles a much more visible target. The F-117s don't have speed brakes that I'm aware of and because they're less aerodynamic than the B-2 they likely don't even need then to descend which means their RCS never went up. The B-2s' RCS went through the roof when they deployed speed brakes.
Whatever code is forcing these planes to drop to 15,000 feet is ruining the simulation. That's a totally unrealistic tactic and obviously works against the stealth of these planes. I'm pretty confident that if that AWACS was killed early and especially if the B2s never had to deploy speed brakes that the missiles would've continued missing.
Essentially your F-22 kamikaze run acted like a huge supersonic anti-ship missile. Russians would be happy to hear this.
Btw, the US Navy don't have any frigates as part of the carrier battlegroup as of 2015 when the last OHP was decommissioned.
The core of the CVBG is 1 CV + 1 Tico, a Destroyer Squadron composed of 6 Arleigh Burke class destroyer (sometimes a Tico is part of the Destroyer Squadron) is attached to the CVBG as needed.
Thanks for testing before making the video! It makes a world of difference!
Nice video Cap, Kortana and Simba, this might actually persuade me to download the F22 mod :-)! Great flying by everyone!
Cap's slow mo kamikaze run was gorgeous!
Really fun “sim”. One point I gathered from the Fighter Pilot Podcast episode on the E2, is that you do not refer to it as an AWACS.
These videos are incredibly well-made. Thank you folks for putting in the time & effort to make them as great as they are!
Yes, I agree, thank you for making these gems! 🔥🔥🔥☠️☠️☠️🔥🔥🔥
Try the Su-57 by CubanAce, it's broken and fast, lower radar cross section than F-22A in DCS, and it can go Mach 3 apparently.
its so broken i bet just 1 su 57 can destroy the whole fuckin carrier group
Since when has that thing gone Mach 3? I wouldnt be surprised if it was actually capable of that speed, since the Russians apparently perfected a proper engine for it now tho 🤔
@@hurricaneace143 Their intended engine was just more reliable... Dont think it was supposed to be faster
@@neurofiedyamato8763 wouldn't reliability mean they can ramp up the RPMs, since there's way less chance of a crit fail from high power output. 🤔
@@hurricaneace143 making something more reliable doesn't mean its more powerful.
I love how technical you kids are. very good!
These guys put in so much work, it is actually crazy
19:37 Tritonal is the name of the Explosive filler in US GP Bombs.
I see why her call sign is Cortana lmao
I love the straight up Japanese kamakazi tactic right out of the gate.
That kamikaze sequence was just brilliant editing. Loved it!
Amazing. I do think spotters or Mark 1 Eyeball from those cruisers etc etc would have seen you far before you were able to smack that carrier. At least to get SOME fire on you from Seawiz. But this was freaking awesome to watch. :)
To make the CIWS fire, it isn't aimed manually, they need a radar track to basically fire, if they do not have that or the CIWS can't see the F-22, you can't make it engage it.
Maybe some freak manual procedure is there, but in the time it takes for Cap to pass and do his run, it is too late in any case.
@@CMDRSweeper I thought they had an electro-optical/thermal tracking unit and could be fired manually by remote control.
@@phinix250 it can, but at that point it would be too late and you'd still have pieces of f-22 embedding itself in your ship
We need a Warhammer 40k mod for DCS if there isnt one already. "Can a space marine company beat a carrier group?"
The Emperor protects.
What is so cool about this is; now we do exactly what the military has always done, role play battle scenarios with a reasonable degree of confidence as to accuracy of outcome.
13:46 “hey chief what the hell is tha-
HOLY SHI-“
Told you Cap, diversionary tactics do work quite well! :D
900 mph and 10 feet off sea level, omfg thats fast and insane
That kamikaze moment killed me. Great job!
This is the most interesting SIM.
Honestly I could see how firing and impacting the side could be more devastating in real life. Shred the side into cheese, allowing the crash to cause some amount of increased damage than if you crashed without the damage. But at that point, I would say arming missiles or fitting torpedo pods would be far more useful, even if you aren't going to drop them and just arm them while still attached. Although I would say the best tactic would be to drop torpedo's some distance away so that if you don't make it due to AA, they'll at least have a bad day from those torpedo's coming after.
My thoughts exactly
That was really strange, it's almost like the b2s were visually detected and this somehow aided the radar.
As they got closer the radar resolution improved through some combination of gain due to shorter range and profile change as more of the underside and sodes were unmasked as opposed to more soley forward profile.
That shot from what looked like the ships perspective of the raptor flaying low across the water was awesome
That f-22 kamikaze run was epic, just wish he'd dubbed in LEROY JENKinnnnns at the moment of impact😃
LOL, They made the F-22 way less stealth. Its radar cross section is .0001meter. about the size of a bumble bee. It is literally the most stealth aircraft the US operates.
0.001
The rcs of a f-22 is classified. But i read somewhere that the b-2 was “more” stealthy despite being way more big. It would make sense as well though. Having the inlets for the engines above the wings must help alot on the b-2.
The operational tactics make the B-2 ultimately the most stealthy. Keeping far away from the enemy gives strength to that 1/r^2 effect. Also, being beyond visual range helps. Also, putting most of the bottom of the aircraft as a flat surface that obscures the rest is super helpful for that below-front cross-section which is most important.
@@TR1ppl3 the rcs is 0.001 in the best angles
The thing is that value is only true when the coating is at optimal performance, not worn and at proper temperatures. RAM coating is high maintenance and won't be always at peak performance. Additionally, even a slight deviation in angles increases your RCS from the ideal. The RCS also increase when control surfaces move or bomb doors open etc. Modern radar can also detect bird size targets so stealth isn't invincible, it just allows you to get a bit closer. Hopefully close enough to use stand off weapons safely, but it is not always guaranteed.
I want to see 1 trillion lions vs a carrier group
having 2 SM-2's whizz by the B-2s at supersonic speeds is such agreat shot
Wow. I think Cap messed up that carrier more than he thinks :) Luv hearing Kortana!
Once the carrier is static, you could test if the B-2s would launch the JSOWs.
it does
That was awesome!! Subbing. 👍🏻
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I've always loved the Tomcat! Used to be a Jam song called "That's Entertainment" that was contemporary to the plane being in service that had the line ".... and the cry of a Tomcat" which always makes me think of that plane!
its super cool being able to live so close to B-2s, the only good thing about missouri imo.
why do the b2s have their spoilers deployed? wouldn't that cause a marketed speed and lift reduction + increase radar returns?
Yes
And the ceiling altitude the ai could bomb from 15,000 is not ideal either 🤔
It's just a visualisation bug. In DCS you often can see AI planes flying straight and level with rudders, elevators and ailerons fully deflected.
The Nimitz class carrier has a radar range of 100 miles with combat abilities up to 600 miles
It's not a great radar against stealth, the AWACS is the real radar threat, it should be close to the center of the group and have more CAP defending in such a heightened situation like a rogue carrier group transiting the straight of Hormuz.
Keep it up, boys! Loving the series.
The problem is you assumed the B-2's would be armed with gravity bombs instead of cruise missiles. If you'd had them use cruise missiles, it would have ended far differently.
Those B2's cost 1.1 billion dollars each!
Also nun has been shot down:). Only one was damaged and caught fire. So their extremely the best stealth bomber made. Only in DCS where they have been shot down 😂
A small price to pay for salvation
@@khoipham8303 The United States Air Force would beg to differ
i remember them being around 500-530mil each...
@@hertzwave8001 I double checked it's 2 billion. You're right if the year was 1997. Inflation is a bitch
B-2 have air brakes opened , that make rcs bigger , I don't know if it's modeled in DCS .
agree
Agree. Saw that and figured the goes the RCS.
That low level attack rule for the Stealth Fighter is from the BilDo clinton DOD ROE. When the U.S. were using the Stealth Fighters over in Bosnia, They changed the height level to a lower one for some stupid reason.. I think it was that they didn't trust the Plots to do their jobs right and as I remember there was a lot of people upset over the rules being changed. one of the concerns was having a Stealth Fighter shot down and the Plot and technology being captured and it did happen, except for the Plot was able to escape. So when They did this Sim, They probably had the BilDo's Rules on how not to win a war.
Great episode. Thank you.
Next week on Grim Reapers: Super Carrier vs Super Cap - Can the Death Star sink a modern US carrier group?
ermmm, check out the vid coming out today at 22:45UTC :)
In such a scenario, B2s would deploy some mix of Harpoons and similar stand off ordnance wouldn't they? Can that be done in DCS? Cool to watch in any case.
SLAM-ER or JASSSM
My favorite stealth weapon is the S.B.D “Silent but deadly”
Raptor’s RCS in real life has been reported as 0.0001 meters squared, MUCH smaller than in DCS (Frontal aspect). This places it around the size of a bumblebee or steel marble. It is currently the stealthiest aircraft we know of in the US arsenal.
F-15 pilots dogfighting it report never seeing it until they merged… if they were lucky. Pretty crazy stuff
Yeh they had to change it in DCS to make it behave roughly realistically.
How many ships or planes can you fit in these simulations?. Can large scale real history battles like Jutland (250, 125, 65 maybe ships) be done here?.
why fly straight and high when a B2 can use terrain and has smaller radar profile to the F117, also the airbrakes really give the plane away on the radar.
So sad to witness Cap's tragic but heroic end. I do hope he gets a posthumous Victoria Cross.
All I could think about when seeing this delightful film is the exchange between Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson which might go a way into the thought-process giving rise to seeing this .. "You're drinking EMBALMING FLUID !" ... "oooohhhh YES ! Care for drop ?" Much enjoyed and thank you.
Eeeexcellent, now reeelease the boghammers (with a Mr. Burns voice) :))
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This is my favorite video I have seen from you so far. I haven't seen all of your vids but I love the attack on Carrier group series. I know you try to keep things realistic as possible but perhaps do an attack on a Chinese or Russian group even if it has to be fiction to make it interesting? Either way keep making these and thanks for the effort.
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That first attack on the carrier was sick
I've how serious and complicated the plan is and the first min of flying he kamikaze a multi million dollar fighter into a carrier
Cap’s kamikaze run was epic. Question; is there a difference modeled in if you rammed into the tower of the carrier v. ramming the hull?
Can ODSTs dropping straight on the deck of the flagship beat a carrier battlegroup?
Can Master Chief beat a US carrier group?
It'd have to be a team of 5 Spartans
Amazing video
Thank for your content
Now this is what I'm talking about cap. Great mission.
Most impressive...
I would love to see US carrier group try to bombing Rusia territory, of course with all of Russian defending capabilities (ships, subs, and AA) in action!
I dont think we have the S-400 stealth buster in DCS
I would love to see that too but I don't want to experience it. WW3 will be like an Armaggedon!
That was pretty cool to watch
Kortana (think that's how its spelt) just sounds sooo good