Because what you put in the title not the actual content of this video - honestly you are just trying to get clicks -- do you work for atgames ?? Do you know what they sold? These “content creators” need to provide some actual content not just crap for clicks -
@@danfink8670 do you work for AtGames? Point to me on this doll where this video hurt you personally? Read the comments brother thousands of people enjoyed this video and have added to the discussion, if you didn't enjoy the video try one of the other 800 on the channel..or dont..I don't care.
Just saying it’s better to be real we don’t know alot and that bad on atgames part but you saying in. Your title what you said isn’t appropriate either
I think the biggest mistake was mentioning up to 15 different skins. Now, I will wait for a better skin. This also allows me to see what the reviews are like. I am now in no hurry. That is on them.
they can push fomo pricing all they like but if they dont sell then they have to drop the price. They will just sit like KI until they have to clear then for 70% off
Agreed…..tell us which ones are confirmed and we can decide to wait for the ones we are interested in. Nobody going to order 3+ of these at this price point.
Yeah I bought the Adam’s family one because I didn’t want to pay $400 for a different skin, but i know I’m already going to have buyers remorse when a different model I actually like comes out
Increasing the preorder price from $1099 to $1299 means I'm out. Wasn't sold on my need for it yet, and I don't like to miss a deal or pay more than other people, so at this point I'll just wait until it's discounted at Sam's or used on Marketplace (both options mean I'll save on shipping) if I buy it at all. Don't love the Addams Family teal cab, so prob best to wait for another style to be released.
I got my 4K pre-ordered. I appreciate the fact that I can tie my games to my HD Pinball. Selling was my goal from the beginning, and by including these extra HD tables paks, which I can't use in the 4K anyhow, will help me to get a better price.
As someone who is VERY excited about the 4K machine AND Zen's partnership, I did NOT pre-order the Addams' Family machine because of the potential of the 15 CE machines. I love Addams' Family, but considering I will probably buy exactly ONE of these machines, I want to make sure that it has a table/artwork that I REALLY REALLY REALLY want (*ahem* Twilight Zone)
I think the biggest issue is there are just so many unknowns when it comes to the ALP 4K. A lot of questions with no real answers kept people from pre-ordering. On top of all that is a lot of the owners have seen the prices decrease lower (from 3rd party sellers) than the best NOD price from AtGames within a year of it coming out. For me personally I've already invested a lot of money into my ALP so could never get that money out of it. At this point it would be more economical to continue modding it as new solutions come to market.
I'm betting sold fairly well at $1,099, but fell off a cliff with the increase. Their planned 15 cab rollout, wimpy stock tables and pressure pricing seems to have boxed them in.
I ordered the machine , SSF , and a couple of table packs. I’m sure they did fine on initial sales , but doubt they’re getting many now that the $1099.99 offer is gone. I’m glad that they told us up front that they will be releasing 15 different themed Collectors Edition machines. But , it absolutely must of hurt their early adopter sales numbers. While I think the Adams Family machine looks great , many may not , and they’ll be waiting for an Indiana Jones version , or at least some other theme more to their liking. Me , I’ll enjoy Adams Family , and just re-skin it later if I see something I like better. Glad you grabbed one for content Dubs !
the overall design of the machine looks great, but i find the Addams artwork to be kind of meh. Not huge on the green and it gives a fan art vibe. The original was simpler and its the original. Im definitely curious why they didnt make it closer.
I went all in. I skipped the original machine as hard as that was, and now its my turn to become an owner. Love the Addams Family table, characters, movies, etc so this was meant to be. Picked up the arcade stick and SSF to really maximize the investment. I bought two gottlieb packs just to get me by untill i can afford a PC for OTG. I am so freaking excited. Lets gooooo 🎉
The Atgames 4k pinball table is the first table I’ve considered purchasing. I’ve always wanted a table but never wanted to take up space with just one machine and the quality thus far has been, meh for casual owners. The 4k graphics and playability are such that this will fill my pinball needs for the foreseeable future. $1099 is a bargain for endless potential fun. Frankly, I’m shocked it wasn’t more. I think the model of increasing price, truly rewards motivated buyers to get the sales started. Like so many others have said, they want to “wait and see”. There’s a discount involved with being a potential Guinea Pig and I’ll take that risk.
I’m concerned how the new 4k tables will run at 60hz. If Atgames would have given us more than Wagner’s video of gameplay, I may have preordered. Lots of unanswered questions, so I’ll wait to see how the final product turns out.
Yeah. I have a 32" 1440p 165Hz playfield screen, but no cabinet. I would like to build one, or buy one. This could be a solution, but the 60Hz is a shame. I love really like to see it in person first.
I pre-ordered the 4k, and the SSF kit. I'm one of those people Atgames probably targeted, as someone who doesn't want to go the OTG route, and just have a plug n play machine. Installing the SSF kit is about as much modding as I'm interested in doing. If things don't work out, I'm out $1500. If I buy a 4k from someone else, it'd be substantially more.
I pre-ordered mine while at the Cleveland Gaming Classic - although I was disappointed they didn’t have the new 4K there, playing games like Genie, TX Sector and Cue Ball Wizard reminded me how fun the original one was that I had sold to a friend last year. Love the AF theme and new look of the backbox and can’t wait to get mine later this year. I’m being optimistic this one will be much better overall!
I love me some TX SECTOR and CUE BALL WIZARD! I hope the 4K versions are even better (BTW, both games ave amazing VPX version if you're running it....)
I purchased a 4k pinball but admittedly I think AtGames dropped the ball with marketing it. They had a golden opportunity to get the word out about the machine by having it at the Cleveland Gaming Classic and I'm almost sure not having it there cost them sales. Even if they just had the earlier prototype that Wagner had that would have been beneficial.
If they stick to 1099 permanently they’ll make a boatload of cash .. It would serve them well if they made lucite sliders to replace the art like the ALU
They could sell a generic at about $1,200. $1,100 with license deals ain't happening. IMO, sell a generic and then offer artwork and toppers for each Zen release.
I ordered it because i love their product, always been happy with my original pinball machine and I can not wait to get the new updated machine ..and c'mon Adams Family , best pinball machine ever !
I think they are just answering questions that they have heard many times. I have the new one ordered and will be keeping the original HD to give to my grand kids to take home. Got to get the next generation hooked 😎
I did the same thing. And seeing as I got my ALPHD at an auction site new for $250, I can potentially sell mine for $500+ and it takes the sting off of the 4K. In my state we don't have many ALPs in after market and they sell at higher value than most other states mostly because they weren't stocked at Sams club here.
I was going to pre-order but backed off. I think my issue was I just realized how little I play my Arcade1up pinballs. Yes, I know AtGames is different, but the art work just didn't sell it for me and as I read it it was one flagship Zen title with 14 AtGames titles. Yes, also know you can add more later on, but details seemed thin on that. Not something I would rush to drop 1.1K on. And now with the price increase I'll sit this one out entirely, and I'm a guy that usually spends money like crazy.
I preordered to get the good deal and get into the mix of things. Never bought an HD pinball and don’t care too much for pinball, overall. However Addams Family is my favorite real life pinball and it just kinda seemed meant to be. I get what you’re saying and thought along the same lines when I saw that post.
Eh... the resale incentive is a win-win for AtGames and those on the fence about upgrading. It gets the HD product in the hands of people who might not be in the current market, leading to more customers. It gets current customers more money towards the 4K. I think this is a good thing.
I passed. I can play Zen OTG and really don’t wanna have to rebuy all the tables I already purchased. Maybe in the future if there’s artwork I really like at around the same price as the early bird deal.
I bought the 4K pinball after talking to Atgames in Cleveland last week. I also got the SSF kit and control deck and all the 4K game packs except Dr Suess pack 2. So I'm all in. Will sell my wave 6 ALP in the future. Is pretty much stock with just vibs board and control deck and all the games.
I signup for the preorder … felt like 200 dollar right now was no big deal .. I just got my HD pinball machine a few months ago and don’t mind owning 2 machines. If the HD doesn’t get enough play .. I’ll resell it .
As much as I love the idea of playing Zen's tables natively, I'm not purchasing for these reasons: 1. My 100+ tables won't carry forward and play on the new device 2. I don't want to buy the same tables again (that was supposed to be the point of linking them to my account) 3. The Addams Family skin is not for me 4. I feel screwed over by AtGames due to items 1 and 2 and the lack of a 4k upgrade kit
Long-term, the 15 "collectors addition" tables might be a good solution to prolong interest and fulfill orders, but short-term it, probably along with other reasons, made a lot of people wait. Monster Bash, Medieval Madness or Attack From Mars skins would pique my interest. In hindsight, we might look back and say this was a mistake and having something like magnetic removable theme packs for purchase would have been a more effective solution.
As someone who' s put a ton of money into my ALP (control panel, LED topper, VIBS,) and already had to buy a replacement mother board when that died, I'm really disgusted that AtGames is abandoning loyal customers by not providing the Zen tables for the original ALP and expect me to spend $1200+ for a new table and make me buy all of the tables I've already bought all over again (probably for more money than the HD tables). In fact I can't believe more people aren't irate about all of this. The ALP is already by far the most expensive gaming device I've ever owned. Apparently my reward for being a loyal customer and purchasing every game pack, an ALU, ALP Micro, ALP, Quad Play, and gamer Pros is to be abandoned and expected to fork out another $1200+ for the 4k if I want to continue to enjoy the privilege of giving them my money. To me the HD tables are fine, I really don't care about 4k, I just want a steady supply of new tables including the Zen tables to keep it interesting. I also wouldn't spend $1200 on an AtGames device knowing how poor their long term reliability is. As I said I've already replaced the mb on my ALP and would fully expect to need to do the same on the 4K. recommending th
My friend built a 4k pinball machine. The total cost was $1500 plus many trips to the store. We got a great deal on the pre order At least atgames showed up. I did hear that guy say that they are bringing the 4k model to the chicago pinball thing thats supposed to happen soon. . I'd be more worried about as to why arcade 1up didn't show up 🤔
I did not pre-order. For a few reasons 1. With knowing they will be releasing other pinball theme tables with different art work while I like Addams family I would wait for a franchise I like better 2. This is the standard not deluxe pinball without knowing what the difference is it makes me unsure of if it is worth it or wait 3. I sunk a decent amount of money into my hdpinball and don't want to have to rebuy packs unless there was a deep discount I would have preferred a list of all the pinball tables zen is making and put a deposit down on the one I want rather then a wait and see if what i would want will even be made.
Good insights. This is probably flame worthy but I ordered one to have a bona-fide, legal version of Addams Family since my iOS Kickstarter version died recently. I'm hopeful the button performance will be better than my OG Legends Pinball and a nice helping of Bally/Williams titles will be available. If I can get Jack*Bot, Taxi, Cyclone, Theatre of Magic and a few others without adding a PC or having more flippers to rebuild, I'll be thrilled.
On a side note. I was at a thrift store today, and saw 2 legends ultimate on sale for $100 each. If I did not have so many options my self including a gamer pro I probably would have grabbed one.
PDubs, Your perspective is appreciated by me. Dude, seriously, thank you for your insight! I have a good feeling about this one. Plus, a person who's always helped me out and has never steered me wrong, Wagner's Tech Talk, showed this thing working like a champ. Now, of course, he wasn't able to test a Zen table, but I think the thing, beyond Zen, that really intrigues me, is this machine is true plug n play VPin OTG out of the box. No vibs messing about, no third party back box purchases, just a straight, put the thing together, and hook up your PC design (oh, and I do know there are software settings and such beyond that :P). If a product can get me to that point right out the gate? That's what I've been looking for. Now don't get me wrong, the vibs idea was brilliant, and the third party back boxes are OUTSTANDING! But, that kind of work/setup isn't for me. Sans spending the price of a real pinball machine for a boutique build, the new AtGames 4K is right up my alley. Now do I think the price is right? For what comes with it? For me? YES!!! I've been researching ready made Boutique builds for years now, and they've always been out of my price range, and keep going up in price, and tend to be bigger and heavier than I want. And like I said, I'm not interested in building something on my own, no matter how cheap people claim it is. So the AtGames price, for me, in my all my searches to find the best VPin experience I'm personally looking for, that ticks off enough of my boxes, and stays within my budget, the AtGames 4K is a steal at $1,099 (plus $100 shipping). Even at $1,499, it's a steal for what they're offering. HOWEVER... When one looks at the median to highest prices in the licensed home arcade market, the AtGames 4K Pin is pretty much the highest priced product I've seen. If they could've got this at under $1,000 (and I'm not talking $999, more like $899), I believe the community at large would've been all over this. But once it starts getting into that Grand territory, they're at a brand new level. When iiRcade hit that $999 ceiling, I thought they were reaching too far, so AtGames has a hill to climb and needs to bring more than 14 sub par filler Deluxe tables to the table (no pun intended). I think AtGames has enough here to justify the price they're asking. From the scuttlebutt I've heard since the announcement, and my personal feelings, I think these are the main hurdles I can see: - Selling a home arcade product at a price well over the majority of licensed products out there - Having people re-buy tables they already bought in HD to play their 4K equivalents on the new product. I do think AtGames did make a good gesture by cutting the prices of the 4K table packs in half during the NOD sale, but I do think they lost some goodwill from their fans by charging them at all. This has been a major problem in the industry for years, having to rebuy stuff all the time, and I don't know what the definitive answer is, but this is a huge reason some people turn to free emulation instead of opening their wallet. But for me personally, because AtGames deeply discounted a sale for these 4K tables at NOD, it's an acceptable exchange for me. - Not having footage of any Zen tables to show. Now, I also have to applaud AtGames here, because if the footage looked bad, or wasn't ready, that could cause harm. I would prefer not to see bad performance, but I think holding off the preorder announcement until they could showcase the MOST IMPORTANT software on the new product, might have been wiser. - And this might be a personal one just for me. Launching this product with arguably the worst tables in their entire library. The Deluxe line and the Natural History line (crafted with the Deluxe feel) doesn't feel like Pinball to me. It's like Magic Pixel tried to emulate what Zen perfected and failed miserably. That's not to say that some of these tables aren't at least a little bit fun, but there's a reason I don't play them over the other tables. Again, they don't feel like pinball to me. So many reused assets, sound effects, bad music that makes elevator muzak sound preferable, and chaotic table layouts just doesn't do it for me. One of the main reasons I bought the original AtGames HD pin was for the AMAZING COLLECTION of Gottlieb tables. Having the 4K launch with 14 substandard tables, with only one good table from Zen, doesn't really get my motor running. HOWEVER... Offering a store to purchase the tables I want is where it's at for me, Gottlieb's coming home! At the end of the day, unless AtGames releases something totally different than what they gave Wagner, I think they have a HUGE WINNER on their hands and I want to personally THANK ATGAMES for taking this risk. I hope it pays off and I'm taking one more chance with AtGames. PDubs, YOU'RE THE BEST! vgv
People say 4k is designed for 42" and up screen. At Games has a 32" screen with a refresh rate of 60 fps which is the same as their previous model. I guess the format is better on the 4K but that's about it.
I pre ordered, along with the SSF kit, Arcade control deck and 6 pinball packs. In addition to pinball, I'm excited to make this a vertical only game arcade.
I was looking at buying a bigger virtual pinball machine from another company with 1300+ tables, but decided to preorder the Atgames Addams Family Machine so I’ll still have some money for some furniture for our home and a trip back home this fall. I think there are various reasons people will wait like, they want other skins, they have too much invested in their current ALP, they can’t afford it or they want to see if they can get it cheaper at Sam’s Club. I’m excited, but if they release 15 skins in two years, that means a new one will come out every month and a half to two months. Plus many people are playing Zen tables on their APL now with a computer. We’ll see how it goes, but I hope they sell well enough for them to keep going. And just FYI, I did a survey they had for what new skins I’d like to see! Thanks for the content! 👍🏻
This is why I ordered one of these. Even though I’m not a HUGE Addams Family fan. Because we’re not getting 15 different versions of this. Guarantee it.
The way you posted this and started your conversation makes it seems like you personally know how many they sold ? You don’t ? Why always be negative maybe they sold a ton of them … only they know - some people don’t like Adam’s Family and are unsure of what the zen tables will look like on the new machine …. I want to see some of the zen tables playing on this to be honest …
You have hit the nail on the head. If this doesn’t sell as it should then I imagine the upgrade will come along! A lot more people would be willing to upgrade than completely get rid of their modded machine.
I think that the teired pre-order pricing is a bad business decision... I would totally buy this for $1,099 if I currently had room for it, but I don't. If I end up making space for it, there's no way I'm paying more when I could've had it for the initial price. I want them to succeed, but my only option is to hope this doesn't sell very well and they are forced to put it on sale at a later date.
I was really tempted to pre-order, but I want to see a finished product before I do. At this point, I may as well wait for a skin I actually really like as well.
I was initially excited about the 4KP even before the Zen partnership but upon hearing that I would need to rebuy every single table again just didn't sit well with me and forced me to wait on this product. I don't expect an upgrade on these tables for free but not giving existing customers an easy upgrade path forward with their current library is a bit of a harsh pill to swallow.
Doubt we will ever see that upgrade board. They gave me $50 off and Wave 1 delivery for preordering after the upgrade board cancellation. The price is decent at $1,099 for a turnkey 4k product. For about $750 over the cost of the upgrade board, you get a brand-new machine. I may sell or just keep the HD. This is a gen 2 product, so it should be a pretty smooth release.
I ordered one along with the ssf kit and the control panel. I don't have an ALP, so it seems like a great time to jump in and try out the 4k. The control panel came yesterday just to taunt me everyday until I have the 4KP to use it on.
Long time subscriber, I prefer that AtGames offer this to existing owners while the initial NOD pricing is available. Surprised that the license holders would agree to this transfer of ownnership at no charge. Perhpas this was built into AtGames original contracts. Any way that you look at it, it enhances the resele value of existing HD versions. Win, Win.
I agree with you dubs. Do you actually have a contact that informed you of poor pre-orders, or are using the "sell my hd packs" aa a way to determine poor sales? Honestly I'm going to wait for a sales price under $999, not to mention we don't know the other skins coming
There were a lot of unanswered questions for a product at games was hoping people would upgrade to. Once you cross the $1k price, it's a different thinking, like .99 vs a 1.00. Will stick with my upgraded HD. No point in the 4k model.
The Zen packs are going to be exclusive to 4k i heard. Which if true, is absolute bs lol. But i can't be bothered to buy a new anything right now, one VPin and Multicade is enough for me.
@@EQOAnostalgiait is true from my understanding. Beat example Ive seen is a game for PS5 not being available for PS4. It sucks, but it happens. I just don't see double the improvements to warrant a 1500+ price tag
As a Canadian, it is disappointing that the early bird pre-order discount price (currency adjusted) was never offered to us via our sole Canadian distributor The Brick. I wish ATGames would ship direct at least to all North America without the need for a middleman. If $1999 +12% tax is the best price I can get and there’s no savings, why would I part with my money now? Give ALL your customers the same options.
A lot of us have multiple machines of 1ups and atgames at this point. Waiting for a better skin is completely undertsandable. Offering to tie packs to incentivise sales does not move me in the slightest until i see a better skin.
I didn’t take part in the 4K pre order for three reasons. 1) not enough info shared about the Zen rollout. If it’s going to take five years to add 15 games, I’ll wait five years to buy. 2) I’ve done so many upgrades to my ALP HD…there isn’t much perceived value in upgrading. 3) As much as I appreciate that they finally included Canada in a product launch, charging us an extra $300 over the US price really turns me off.
This should have been sold during tax return season and maybe not right before Christmas where I have to buy for other people before myself. The 4k is compelling but 60Hz? If you ever gamed on a 144hz or even 120hz system, it really makes a difference and it is one spec I think they should have gone higher with that makes a huge difference. My concern is that they will rev this machine once more with a higher spec monitor and I will need to repeat the upgrade cycle a third time. The wife is getting pretty impatient with rebuying what I already have. I’m on the sidelines watching.
I really wish they had gone with higher refresh rate too, but they claim it would have bumped the price up significantly. Ya well, if we have to replace the screen later on that will end up costing us more than if it had it already.
I ordered day #1, I like buying at a discount! I won’t be selling the HD though, will keep all those original tables on that machine … will buy only new tables on the 4K
Hey Pdubs great info. Between myself and my friend and our orders placed on NOD day 1 within minutes of availability and my final order within 1 hour of NOD closing I know what the order count is roughly, that's order number placed at 9am est start and 2am est time nod close out. What number do you think is good or bad? Obviously this is total orders placed during nod not just pinball but Id say the bulk of Nod orders were for Addams Family.
I did not preorder. I love my ALP HD, but they are really only offering one new table with the 4K. Plus, I would have to rebuy all of the gottlieb, zaccaria, and Dr Seuss tables for the 4K. I'm waiting for 1) more Zen games to be promised, and/or 2) offering some kind of discount to rebuy the tables I have for HD. (Also still waiting for more on the Rare partnership they announced over the summer, so call me glass-half-empty on the Zen partnership)
I currently have the HD pinball with the buy stuff back box, sub, exciters, etc and love it! I will eventually pick up the 4k but not yet. Waiting to see what other options come down the line
FOMO got me and I preordered. Ngl, I kinda wish I waited for a Mando/Indiana Jones skin but the sale was too good to pass up and the preorder is not refundable. Guess I am all in
If you get into Digital Pinball, you go down a path that leads you to 4k at 120hz and higher on displays that they are not going to put inside of a 1k pre built cabinet. AtGames should work with Zen and the dude who made the VR Pinball Controller to mass produce those.
I hope AG succeeds with this product and bring back the price of $1099 and even less around $990 on future sales. $1299 might scare people away (though this is a bargain compared to building yourself + the new dlc Zen studios Pinball FX tables)... I'm glad to see the incentives early, maybe AG knows how challenging it will be to sell. But I just don't see how they will succeed even with "more Skins" since Pinball might be a niche hobby...only for those who can afford & have the space. But this is essentially a dream for "all of us here", the fans of pinball who exist here in this AG ecosystem, who also own ALU, ALP, etc
I considered it at $1099 but didn’t have the cash available….but as it he price keeps jumping on the preorders…I just don’t think it’s worth that much. I’m also curious to see the other skins.
Everyone should pay the same price. The incrementing model doesn’t make sense, it’s silly. The other issue is that they should release all 15 at the same time and you can choose which one you want. End of the day it’s on a different vinyl wrap and topper with a different game.
Truthfully, if one were to sell their machine, having the tabes IS a huge value. Those table packs cost a pretty penny if you want a complete set. That said, the “make people more interested” move here isn’t to help people dump their purchases - it’s to let them PLAY THEIR PURCHASES on the new hardware, even if just in non-4k mode. But what do I know, maybe it’s just not technically possible.
If I did not already have the HD version , I would buy the 4K version. Just me. The 4k resolution, 3 screen set up, all the connections on the back and the optional sound upgrade make it a good value. If you add the cost of a new backglass mod the HD version would be close to the 4K version in cost
I can see why people are hesitant. I ordered and I'm a cool with the AF skin. I also sold my HD table a few months ago in anticipation of this. I did not think this would be a $1,500 table though. I may have kept my HD knowing it was going to be almost triple what I had paid. And like someone else mentioned; probably was a bad idea (from a business sense) to announce multiple skin cabinets coming out in the next few years. Gamers are really picky about their stuff. Also this is a little bit of roulette. We don't know how these end tables are going to play. People are saying that these tables need to be 120 HZ and this one is a 60 HZ. Also no discernible upgrades except for the bigger monitor on the back glass. The plunger looks the same, speaker grills look the same, and playfield size is the same. I'm sure eventually it'll pick up steam, but this is a tough economy. People have poured hours upgrading their tables over the last few years. We'll see. Really hope by release that there's more Zen tables to get.
@@PDubsArcadeLoft well that, and the fact you have to pay extra and install the extra speakers yourself. And every video I’ve seen so far has awful looking extra sprites on top of the play field, like scores and other shit.
Thanks for the videos PDubs! I don’t have room or money to buy a 4K machine and am very happy with the HD version. I am just afraid AtGames will stop releasing new table packs and content for owners of the HD machine. I hope they continue to grow both platforms in the future 🤞. Thanks!
Yeah they got me I ordered a 4K version pinball now I'm trying to figure out what to do with my HD version pinball don't have enough space for it so I'm going to have to break it down and hopefully sell it or give it to a family member
What killed it for me is that Atgames latest firmware update is preventing owners of the ALP from using the sauce anymore and supposedly they are going to block the use of the sauce on their new 4K ALP Machines. That’s a deal breaker for me. I’m not getting rid of my HD ALP for this reason nor am I updating anymore. I took my machine offline to prevent Atgames from doing any unauthorized changes or updates to my ALP. I highly recommend that you all do the same thing.
I shall wait for a major sale because as excited as I am to see an Adam's Family themed ALP4K, I also have priorities that prevent me from buying it. I'd like to sell my ALP HD version but it's difficult and I was hopeful that Atgames would've done a trade in initiative but there is no hope. So my only option is to wait. 😢
I will wait for reviews and pricing/availability for the Zen Williams tables.I just upgraded from the micro to the ALP. Also, I don't have a gpu that will run 4K OTG nor do I want to spend the $ on one right now.
I own an ALP HD and I have no intention of buying the ALP 4K. 1. The HD looks and plays fine for me. 2. The larger backglass monitors and the DMD are nice to haves but when I am playing pinball I am not looking at the backglass unless there is a mini game. 3. I would lose the tables I already bought for tha ALP. 4. FOMO, If you have a good product at a good price you don't need to have non refundable deposits and FOMO to get sales! Preordering anything in this day and age just leads to disappointment! 5. Just one reviewer got the table and this screams SHILL. Why wouldn't you give the only table to someone guaranteed to positive review it????? That coupled with the FOMO is pegging my ( something isn't right meter)!
They should have made a huge effort during nod-a to get people excited. They did nothing. Give away a ton of 4k packs, machines, ssf kits. Release specific details on pack pricing and content. Show the machine in action playing a zen table. Take a poll on skin choices. etc etc
I was on the fence, but ultimately decided not to order. I have the micro and I am only interested in the zen games. I also have the attack from mars pinball from arcade1up which I like. They need to show the zen games more. I haven't seen one video of what addams family is going to look like playing on the machine. Makes me think they don't even have it ready to be live yet.
People don’t want to wait for content to drip feed over time. Tired of companies making promises and not fulfilling their end of the bargain. I also don’t see that it will be that much better than the original version.
I am in the process of watching, so you may cover some of this - but my gut check is sales are low for these couple things: 1. The price is pretty high. It maybe sort of reasonable, but their track record with product quality is sort of iffy. Dropping over $1k with them feels very scary. 2. The games you own the HD aren't backward compatible. This to me is the biggest issue. People have invested a lot of money building a library of machines, it is pretty gross to think of buying them all again (or buying a new library again). Most people won't keep both machines for space concerns, but if you got rid of your machine - all those games are gone forever for you.
For me, first it took a lot to get past the FOMO... But really there have been so many bad product releases from some companies, that I would never buy it at over a grand without seeing what others think of it at this point. Second, I'd have been a lot more in if it came with 15 ZEN tables. Lastly, I'm hoping there is a twilight zone version... So its a wait and see, order one down the road.. I'll pay a little more to know it kicks ass first, and they obviously will have a NOD again in the spring..
Wow! 3.5K views and 209 comments in less than a day - you guys are awesome!
Because what you put in the title not the actual content of this video - honestly you are just trying to get clicks -- do you work for atgames ?? Do you know what they sold? These “content creators” need to provide some actual content not just crap for clicks -
@@danfink8670 do you work for AtGames? Point to me on this doll where this video hurt you personally? Read the comments brother thousands of people enjoyed this video and have added to the discussion, if you didn't enjoy the video try one of the other 800 on the channel..or dont..I don't care.
Just saying it’s better to be real we don’t know alot and that bad on atgames part but you saying in. Your title what you said isn’t appropriate either
@@danfink8670 all good man thanks for the feedback
Btw I think they sold
Over 1 million dollars worth in 4 days ? Is that a lot ?
I think the biggest mistake was mentioning up to 15 different skins. Now, I will wait for a better skin. This also allows me to see what the reviews are like. I am now in no hurry. That is on them.
they can push fomo pricing all they like but if they dont sell then they have to drop the price. They will just sit like KI until they have to clear then for 70% off
Agreed…..tell us which ones are confirmed and we can decide to wait for the ones we are interested in. Nobody going to order 3+ of these at this price point.
Yeah I bought the Adam’s family one because I didn’t want to pay $400 for a different skin, but i know I’m already going to have buyers remorse when a different model I actually like comes out
Agree!
Increasing the preorder price from $1099 to $1299 means I'm out. Wasn't sold on my need for it yet, and I don't like to miss a deal or pay more than other people, so at this point I'll just wait until it's discounted at Sam's or used on Marketplace (both options mean I'll save on shipping) if I buy it at all. Don't love the Addams Family teal cab, so prob best to wait for another style to be released.
I got my 4K pre-ordered. I appreciate the fact that I can tie my games to my HD Pinball. Selling was my goal from the beginning, and by including these extra HD tables paks, which I can't use in the 4K anyhow, will help me to get a better price.
As someone who is VERY excited about the 4K machine AND Zen's partnership, I did NOT pre-order the Addams' Family machine because of the potential of the 15 CE machines. I love Addams' Family, but considering I will probably buy exactly ONE of these machines, I want to make sure that it has a table/artwork that I REALLY REALLY REALLY want (*ahem* Twilight Zone)
I like Addams and I did preorder but I think o would like twilight zone better too
Couldn't you have bought it at $1099, then re-skin it in whatever game you want..?
I think the biggest issue is there are just so many unknowns when it comes to the ALP 4K. A lot of questions with no real answers kept people from pre-ordering. On top of all that is a lot of the owners have seen the prices decrease lower (from 3rd party sellers) than the best NOD price from AtGames within a year of it coming out. For me personally I've already invested a lot of money into my ALP so could never get that money out of it. At this point it would be more economical to continue modding it as new solutions come to market.
I'm betting sold fairly well at $1,099, but fell off a cliff with the increase. Their planned 15 cab rollout, wimpy stock tables and pressure pricing seems to have boxed them in.
I ordered the machine , SSF , and a couple of table packs. I’m sure they did fine on initial sales , but doubt they’re getting many now that the $1099.99 offer is gone. I’m glad that they told us up front that they will be releasing 15 different themed Collectors Edition machines. But , it absolutely must of hurt their early adopter sales numbers. While I think the Adams Family machine looks great , many may not , and they’ll be waiting for an Indiana Jones version , or at least some other theme more to their liking. Me , I’ll enjoy Adams Family , and just re-skin it later if I see something I like better. Glad you grabbed one for content Dubs !
the overall design of the machine looks great, but i find the Addams artwork to be kind of meh. Not huge on the green and it gives a fan art vibe. The original was simpler and its the original. Im definitely curious why they didnt make it closer.
I went all in. I skipped the original machine as hard as that was, and now its my turn to become an owner. Love the Addams Family table, characters, movies, etc so this was meant to be. Picked up the arcade stick and SSF to really maximize the investment. I bought two gottlieb packs just to get me by untill i can afford a PC for OTG. I am so freaking excited. Lets gooooo 🎉
The Atgames 4k pinball table is the first table I’ve considered purchasing. I’ve always wanted a table but never wanted to take up space with just one machine and the quality thus far has been, meh for casual owners. The 4k graphics and playability are such that this will fill my pinball needs for the foreseeable future. $1099 is a bargain for endless potential fun. Frankly, I’m shocked it wasn’t more. I think the model of increasing price, truly rewards motivated buyers to get the sales started. Like so many others have said, they want to “wait and see”. There’s a discount involved with being a potential Guinea Pig and I’ll take that risk.
I'm excited to see more info about BuyStuff's 2k 165hz screen upgrade for the ALP.
I’d be interested too. Didn’t know that was a thing. Is it just rumored for now?
@@mleonard724 not a rumor. They posted a video of it running on UA-cam
I’m interest too !! Where did u heard this info from ?
Yes! Let's hope we get some more info soon. I was just about to pull the trigger on a new monitor but gonna wait and see what they bring to the table.
@@razotong it's on Buy Stuff Arcades youtube channel. I already have their backbox, this is the way to go if you want to upgrade.
Uncertainty of when more Zen tables will be available is a huge factor of low preorders
What do you consider low? I have a pretty good idea what the number is but I am unsure what people expected over a 4 day period.
@@carlo1132 but after 4 days it goes up 200$ ? They will just piss people off . One early bird price is fine but this is not ok.
I’m concerned how the new 4k tables will run at 60hz. If Atgames would have given us more than Wagner’s video of gameplay, I may have preordered. Lots of unanswered questions, so I’ll wait to see how the final product turns out.
Yeah. I have a 32" 1440p 165Hz playfield screen, but no cabinet. I would like to build one, or buy one. This could be a solution, but the 60Hz is a shame. I love really like to see it in person first.
I pre-ordered the 4k, and the SSF kit. I'm one of those people Atgames probably targeted, as someone who doesn't want to go the OTG route, and just have a plug n play machine. Installing the SSF kit is about as much modding as I'm interested in doing. If things don't work out, I'm out $1500. If I buy a 4k from someone else, it'd be substantially more.
I pre-ordered mine as soon as pre-orders went live. Can't wait to get this!
I pre-ordered mine while at the Cleveland Gaming Classic - although I was disappointed they didn’t have the new 4K there, playing games like Genie, TX Sector and Cue Ball Wizard reminded me how fun the original one was that I had sold to a friend last year. Love the AF theme and new look of the backbox and can’t wait to get mine later this year. I’m being optimistic this one will be much better overall!
I love me some TX SECTOR and CUE BALL WIZARD! I hope the 4K versions are even better (BTW, both games ave amazing VPX version if you're running it....)
Noooo
I purchased a 4k pinball but admittedly I think AtGames dropped the ball with marketing it. They had a golden opportunity to get the word out about the machine by having it at the Cleveland Gaming Classic and I'm almost sure not having it there cost them sales. Even if they just had the earlier prototype that Wagner had that would have been beneficial.
If they stick to 1099 permanently they’ll make a boatload of cash .. It would serve them well if they made lucite sliders to replace the art like the ALU
They could sell a generic at about $1,200. $1,100 with license deals ain't happening. IMO, sell a generic and then offer artwork and toppers for each Zen release.
I ordered it because i love their product, always been happy with my original pinball machine and I can not wait to get the new updated machine ..and c'mon Adams Family , best pinball machine ever !
Adams family is not the best pinball machine ever. Attack from mars and midevil madness to name a few, are much much better pinball tables.
I think they are just answering questions that they have heard many times. I have the new one ordered and will be keeping the original HD to give to my grand kids to take home. Got to get the next generation hooked 😎
I bought it immediately. Great deal on the early bird. I got the SFF kit and the control panel.
I did the same thing. And seeing as I got my ALPHD at an auction site new for $250, I can potentially sell mine for $500+ and it takes the sting off of the 4K. In my state we don't have many ALPs in after market and they sell at higher value than most other states mostly because they weren't stocked at Sams club here.
I was going to pre-order but backed off. I think my issue was I just realized how little I play my Arcade1up pinballs. Yes, I know AtGames is different, but the art work just didn't sell it for me and as I read it it was one flagship Zen title with 14 AtGames titles. Yes, also know you can add more later on, but details seemed thin on that. Not something I would rush to drop 1.1K on. And now with the price increase I'll sit this one out entirely, and I'm a guy that usually spends money like crazy.
I'm sure many people, myself included, are waiting to see reviews as well as an IP we're more interested in.
I purchased at $1099 because even if I want BTTF or Indiana Jones, there is zero chance it will be at that price in 2 years.
I preordered to get the good deal and get into the mix of things. Never bought an HD pinball and don’t care too much for pinball, overall. However Addams Family is my favorite real life pinball and it just kinda seemed meant to be. I get what you’re saying and thought along the same lines when I saw that post.
Addams Family is such a top tier table! ❤
Eh... the resale incentive is a win-win for AtGames and those on the fence about upgrading. It gets the HD product in the hands of people who might not be in the current market, leading to more customers. It gets current customers more money towards the 4K. I think this is a good thing.
I pre-ordered mine and when I was at the convention they said they will have them or at least 1 of the 4k pins at the Chicago show.
I passed. I can play Zen OTG and really don’t wanna have to rebuy all the tables I already purchased. Maybe in the future if there’s artwork I really like at around the same price as the early bird deal.
I bought the 4K pinball after talking to Atgames in Cleveland last week. I also got the SSF kit and control deck and all the 4K game packs except Dr Suess pack 2. So I'm all in. Will sell my wave 6 ALP in the future. Is pretty much stock with just vibs board and control deck and all the games.
I signup for the preorder … felt like 200 dollar right now was no big deal .. I just got my HD pinball machine a few months ago and don’t mind owning 2 machines. If the HD doesn’t get enough play .. I’ll resell it .
Glass half full. I think they crushed it! I’m keeping both tables!
As much as I love the idea of playing Zen's tables natively, I'm not purchasing for these reasons:
1. My 100+ tables won't carry forward and play on the new device
2. I don't want to buy the same tables again (that was supposed to be the point of linking them to my account)
3. The Addams Family skin is not for me
4. I feel screwed over by AtGames due to items 1 and 2 and the lack of a 4k upgrade kit
Long-term, the 15 "collectors addition" tables might be a good solution to prolong interest and fulfill orders, but short-term it, probably along with other reasons, made a lot of people wait.
Monster Bash, Medieval Madness or Attack From Mars skins would pique my interest.
In hindsight, we might look back and say this was a mistake and having something like magnetic removable theme packs for purchase would have been a more effective solution.
As someone who' s put a ton of money into my ALP (control panel, LED topper, VIBS,) and already had to buy a replacement mother board when that died, I'm really disgusted that AtGames is abandoning loyal customers by not providing the Zen tables for the original ALP and expect me to spend $1200+ for a new table and make me buy all of the tables I've already bought all over again (probably for more money than the HD tables). In fact I can't believe more people aren't irate about all of this.
The ALP is already by far the most expensive gaming device I've ever owned. Apparently my reward for being a loyal customer and purchasing every game pack, an ALU, ALP Micro, ALP, Quad Play, and gamer Pros is to be abandoned and expected to fork out another $1200+ for the 4k if I want to continue to enjoy the privilege of giving them my money.
To me the HD tables are fine, I really don't care about 4k, I just want a steady supply of new tables including the Zen tables to keep it interesting.
I also wouldn't spend $1200 on an AtGames device knowing how poor their long term reliability is. As I said I've already replaced the mb on my ALP and would fully expect to need to do the same on the 4K. recommending th
I'm more interested now in real pinball machines. Wanting Godzilla premium and stranger things premium
My friend built a 4k pinball machine. The total cost was $1500 plus many trips to the store. We got a great deal on the pre order
At least atgames showed up. I did hear that guy say that they are bringing the 4k model to the chicago pinball thing thats supposed to happen soon. . I'd be more worried about as to why arcade 1up didn't show up 🤔
I think i would rather have the custom one your friend made for $1500.
I did not pre-order. For a few reasons
1. With knowing they will be releasing other pinball theme tables with different art work while I like Addams family I would wait for a franchise I like better
2. This is the standard not deluxe pinball without knowing what the difference is it makes me unsure of if it is worth it or wait
3. I sunk a decent amount of money into my hdpinball and don't want to have to rebuy packs unless there was a deep discount
I would have preferred a list of all the pinball tables zen is making and put a deposit down on the one I want rather then a wait and see if what i would want will even be made.
Good insights.
This is probably flame worthy but I ordered one to have a bona-fide, legal version of Addams Family since my iOS Kickstarter version died recently. I'm hopeful the button performance will be better than my OG Legends Pinball and a nice helping of Bally/Williams titles will be available.
If I can get Jack*Bot, Taxi, Cyclone, Theatre of Magic and a few others without adding a PC or having more flippers to rebuild, I'll be thrilled.
On a side note. I was at a thrift store today, and saw 2 legends ultimate on sale for $100 each. If I did not have so many options my self including a gamer pro I probably would have grabbed one.
Where at fam? lol
Oh man! I would have screamed. 😂
PDubs,
Your perspective is appreciated by me. Dude, seriously, thank you for your insight!
I have a good feeling about this one. Plus, a person who's always helped me out and has never steered me wrong, Wagner's Tech Talk, showed this thing working like a champ. Now, of course, he wasn't able to test a Zen table, but I think the thing, beyond Zen, that really intrigues me, is this machine is true plug n play VPin OTG out of the box. No vibs messing about, no third party back box purchases, just a straight, put the thing together, and hook up your PC design (oh, and I do know there are software settings and such beyond that :P). If a product can get me to that point right out the gate? That's what I've been looking for.
Now don't get me wrong, the vibs idea was brilliant, and the third party back boxes are OUTSTANDING! But, that kind of work/setup isn't for me. Sans spending the price of a real pinball machine for a boutique build, the new AtGames 4K is right up my alley.
Now do I think the price is right? For what comes with it? For me? YES!!! I've been researching ready made Boutique builds for years now, and they've always been out of my price range, and keep going up in price, and tend to be bigger and heavier than I want. And like I said, I'm not interested in building something on my own, no matter how cheap people claim it is. So the AtGames price, for me, in my all my searches to find the best VPin experience I'm personally looking for, that ticks off enough of my boxes, and stays within my budget, the AtGames 4K is a steal at $1,099 (plus $100 shipping). Even at $1,499, it's a steal for what they're offering. HOWEVER...
When one looks at the median to highest prices in the licensed home arcade market, the AtGames 4K Pin is pretty much the highest priced product I've seen. If they could've got this at under $1,000 (and I'm not talking $999, more like $899), I believe the community at large would've been all over this. But once it starts getting into that Grand territory, they're at a brand new level. When iiRcade hit that $999 ceiling, I thought they were reaching too far, so AtGames has a hill to climb and needs to bring more than 14 sub par filler Deluxe tables to the table (no pun intended). I think AtGames has enough here to justify the price they're asking.
From the scuttlebutt I've heard since the announcement, and my personal feelings, I think these are the main hurdles I can see:
- Selling a home arcade product at a price well over the majority of licensed products out there
- Having people re-buy tables they already bought in HD to play their 4K equivalents on the new product. I do think AtGames did make a good gesture by cutting the prices of the 4K table packs in half during the NOD sale, but I do think they lost some goodwill from their fans by charging them at all. This has been a major problem in the industry for years, having to rebuy stuff all the time, and I don't know what the definitive answer is, but this is a huge reason some people turn to free emulation instead of opening their wallet. But for me personally, because AtGames deeply discounted a sale for these 4K tables at NOD, it's an acceptable exchange for me.
- Not having footage of any Zen tables to show. Now, I also have to applaud AtGames here, because if the footage looked bad, or wasn't ready, that could cause harm. I would prefer not to see bad performance, but I think holding off the preorder announcement until they could showcase the MOST IMPORTANT software on the new product, might have been wiser.
- And this might be a personal one just for me. Launching this product with arguably the worst tables in their entire library. The Deluxe line and the Natural History line (crafted with the Deluxe feel) doesn't feel like Pinball to me. It's like Magic Pixel tried to emulate what Zen perfected and failed miserably. That's not to say that some of these tables aren't at least a little bit fun, but there's a reason I don't play them over the other tables. Again, they don't feel like pinball to me. So many reused assets, sound effects, bad music that makes elevator muzak sound preferable, and chaotic table layouts just doesn't do it for me. One of the main reasons I bought the original AtGames HD pin was for the AMAZING COLLECTION of Gottlieb tables. Having the 4K launch with 14 substandard tables, with only one good table from Zen, doesn't really get my motor running. HOWEVER... Offering a store to purchase the tables I want is where it's at for me, Gottlieb's coming home!
At the end of the day, unless AtGames releases something totally different than what they gave Wagner, I think they have a HUGE WINNER on their hands and I want to personally THANK ATGAMES for taking this risk. I hope it pays off and I'm taking one more chance with AtGames.
PDubs, YOU'RE THE BEST!
vgv
People say 4k is designed for 42" and up screen. At Games has a 32" screen with a refresh rate of 60 fps which is the same as their previous model. I guess the format is better on the 4K but that's about it.
I pre ordered, along with the SSF kit, Arcade control deck and 6 pinball packs. In addition to pinball, I'm excited to make this a vertical only game arcade.
I was looking at buying a bigger virtual pinball machine from another company with 1300+ tables, but decided to preorder the Atgames Addams Family Machine so I’ll still have some money for some furniture for our home and a trip back home this fall. I think there are various reasons people will wait like, they want other skins, they have too much invested in their current ALP, they can’t afford it or they want to see if they can get it cheaper at Sam’s Club. I’m excited, but if they release 15 skins in two years, that means a new one will come out every month and a half to two months. Plus many people are playing Zen tables on their APL now with a computer. We’ll see how it goes, but I hope they sell well enough for them to keep going. And just FYI, I did a survey they had for what new skins I’d like to see! Thanks for the content! 👍🏻
This is why I ordered one of these. Even though I’m not a HUGE Addams Family fan. Because we’re not getting 15 different versions of this. Guarantee it.
The way you posted this and started your conversation makes it seems like you personally know how many they sold ? You don’t ? Why always be negative maybe they sold a ton of them … only they know - some people don’t like Adam’s Family and are unsure of what the zen tables will look like on the new machine …. I want to see some of the zen tables playing on this to be honest …
You have hit the nail on the head. If this doesn’t sell as it should then I imagine the upgrade will come along! A lot more people would be willing to upgrade than completely get rid of their modded machine.
I think everybody wants to see it first. I think most people are done preordering anything from Atgames.
I think that the teired pre-order pricing is a bad business decision... I would totally buy this for $1,099 if I currently had room for it, but I don't. If I end up making space for it, there's no way I'm paying more when I could've had it for the initial price. I want them to succeed, but my only option is to hope this doesn't sell very well and they are forced to put it on sale at a later date.
I was really tempted to pre-order, but I want to see a finished product before I do. At this point, I may as well wait for a skin I actually really like as well.
I was initially excited about the 4KP even before the Zen partnership but upon hearing that I would need to rebuy every single table again just didn't sit well with me and forced me to wait on this product. I don't expect an upgrade on these tables for free but not giving existing customers an easy upgrade path forward with their current library is a bit of a harsh pill to swallow.
They're out of their minds lol.
Doubt we will ever see that upgrade board. They gave me $50 off and Wave 1 delivery for preordering after the upgrade board cancellation. The price is decent at $1,099 for a turnkey 4k product. For about $750 over the cost of the upgrade board, you get a brand-new machine. I may sell or just keep the HD. This is a gen 2 product, so it should be a pretty smooth release.
I ordered one along with the ssf kit and the control panel. I don't have an ALP, so it seems like a great time to jump in and try out the 4k. The control panel came yesterday just to taunt me everyday until I have the 4KP to use it on.
Same, that control panel came wicked fast. Just a shame we have to wait a few months now. 😢 At least we get all the holidays in the mean time 😅
Long time subscriber, I prefer that AtGames offer this to existing owners while the initial NOD pricing is available. Surprised that the license holders would agree to this transfer of ownnership at no charge. Perhpas this was built into AtGames original contracts. Any way that you look at it, it enhances the resele value of existing HD versions. Win, Win.
I agree with you dubs. Do you actually have a contact that informed you of poor pre-orders, or are using the "sell my hd packs" aa a way to determine poor sales? Honestly I'm going to wait for a sales price under $999, not to mention we don't know the other skins coming
There were a lot of unanswered questions for a product at games was hoping people would upgrade to. Once you cross the $1k price, it's a different thinking, like .99 vs a 1.00. Will stick with my upgraded HD. No point in the 4k model.
The Zen packs are going to be exclusive to 4k i heard. Which if true, is absolute bs lol. But i can't be bothered to buy a new anything right now, one VPin and Multicade is enough for me.
@@EQOAnostalgiait is true from my understanding. Beat example Ive seen is a game for PS5 not being available for PS4. It sucks, but it happens. I just don't see double the improvements to warrant a 1500+ price tag
As a Canadian, it is disappointing that the early bird pre-order discount price (currency adjusted) was never offered to us via our sole Canadian distributor The Brick. I wish ATGames would ship direct at least to all North America without the need for a middleman. If $1999 +12% tax is the best price I can get and there’s no savings, why would I part with my money now? Give ALL your customers the same options.
I sold my machine the day i found out about the adams family. Ive been seeing a lot more alp on Facebook market this week
A lot of us have multiple machines of 1ups and atgames at this point. Waiting for a better skin is completely undertsandable. Offering to tie packs to incentivise sales does not move me in the slightest until i see a better skin.
I didn’t take part in the 4K pre order for three reasons. 1) not enough info shared about the Zen rollout. If it’s going to take five years to add 15 games, I’ll wait five years to buy. 2) I’ve done so many upgrades to my ALP HD…there isn’t much perceived value in upgrading. 3) As much as I appreciate that they finally included Canada in a product launch, charging us an extra $300 over the US price really turns me off.
This should have been sold during tax return season and maybe not right before Christmas where I have to buy for other people before myself. The 4k is compelling but 60Hz? If you ever gamed on a 144hz or even 120hz system, it really makes a difference and it is one spec I think they should have gone higher with that makes a huge difference. My concern is that they will rev this machine once more with a higher spec monitor and I will need to repeat the upgrade cycle a third time. The wife is getting pretty impatient with rebuying what I already have. I’m on the sidelines watching.
I really wish they had gone with higher refresh rate too, but they claim it would have bumped the price up significantly. Ya well, if we have to replace the screen later on that will end up costing us more than if it had it already.
I ordered day #1, I like buying at a discount! I won’t be selling the HD though, will keep all those original tables on that machine … will buy only new tables on the 4K
Hey Pdubs great info. Between myself and my friend and our orders placed on NOD day 1 within minutes of availability and my final order within 1 hour of NOD closing I know what the order count is roughly, that's order number placed at 9am est start and 2am est time nod close out. What number do you think is good or bad? Obviously this is total orders placed during nod not just pinball but Id say the bulk of Nod orders were for Addams Family.
I think many are strapped for cash… between interest rates, inflation, and in some cases student loans starting back up on Oct many.
Personally I’m waiting to see performance, zen(WMS/BLY) game availability and OTG compatibility with peripherals.
I did not preorder. I love my ALP HD, but they are really only offering one new table with the 4K. Plus, I would have to rebuy all of the gottlieb, zaccaria, and Dr Seuss tables for the 4K. I'm waiting for 1) more Zen games to be promised, and/or 2) offering some kind of discount to rebuy the tables I have for HD. (Also still waiting for more on the Rare partnership they announced over the summer, so call me glass-half-empty on the Zen partnership)
I was so excited when they announced this since I enjoyed the hd one. Now not so much.
I wonder if they will drop the price again. Black Friday so very close
I can't wait to get my hands on one and to see you hook up that SSF kit in there so I can try
I currently have the HD pinball with the buy stuff back box, sub, exciters, etc and love it! I will eventually pick up the 4k but not yet. Waiting to see what other options come down the line
I still havent received my refund for the upgrade board i preordered for the ALP that they now canceled!
FOMO got me and I preordered. Ngl, I kinda wish I waited for a Mando/Indiana Jones skin but the sale was too good to pass up and the preorder is not refundable. Guess I am all in
If you get into Digital Pinball, you go down a path that leads you to 4k at 120hz and higher on displays that they are not going to put inside of a 1k pre built cabinet.
AtGames should work with Zen and the dude who made the VR Pinball Controller to mass produce those.
I hope AG succeeds with this product and bring back the price of $1099 and even less around $990 on future sales. $1299 might scare people away (though this is a bargain compared to building yourself + the new dlc Zen studios Pinball FX tables)... I'm glad to see the incentives early, maybe AG knows how challenging it will be to sell. But I just don't see how they will succeed even with "more Skins" since Pinball might be a niche hobby...only for those who can afford & have the space. But this is essentially a dream for "all of us here", the fans of pinball who exist here in this AG ecosystem, who also own ALU, ALP, etc
I considered it at $1099 but didn’t have the cash available….but as it he price keeps jumping on the preorders…I just don’t think it’s worth that much. I’m also curious to see the other skins.
I pre-ordered only for the love of pinball and loving my OG ALP. Hate the preorder timed pricing structure.
Everyone should pay the same price. The incrementing model doesn’t make sense, it’s silly.
The other issue is that they should release all 15 at the same time and you can choose which one you want.
End of the day it’s on a different vinyl wrap and topper with a different game.
Truthfully, if one were to sell their machine, having the tabes IS a huge value. Those table packs cost a pretty penny if you want a complete set. That said, the “make people more interested” move here isn’t to help people dump their purchases - it’s to let them PLAY THEIR PURCHASES on the new hardware, even if just in non-4k mode. But what do I know, maybe it’s just not technically possible.
If I did not already have the HD version , I would buy the 4K version. Just me. The 4k resolution, 3 screen set up, all the connections on the back and the optional sound upgrade make it a good value. If you add the cost of a new backglass mod the HD version would be close to the 4K version in cost
I think bumping up the preorder price is BS! I would have bought one but I'm not a big Adams Family fan.
Thanks for sharing!
I can see why people are hesitant. I ordered and I'm a cool with the AF skin. I also sold my HD table a few months ago in anticipation of this. I did not think this would be a $1,500 table though. I may have kept my HD knowing it was going to be almost triple what I had paid. And like someone else mentioned; probably was a bad idea (from a business sense) to announce multiple skin cabinets coming out in the next few years. Gamers are really picky about their stuff. Also this is a little bit of roulette. We don't know how these end tables are going to play. People are saying that these tables need to be 120 HZ and this one is a 60 HZ. Also no discernible upgrades except for the bigger monitor on the back glass. The plunger looks the same, speaker grills look the same, and playfield size is the same. I'm sure eventually it'll pick up steam, but this is a tough economy. People have poured hours upgrading their tables over the last few years. We'll see. Really hope by release that there's more Zen tables to get.
I’m waiting on reviews, etc. never preorder stuff until I know for sure it’s as advertised
Nothing wrong with that
@@PDubsArcadeLoft well that, and the fact you have to pay extra and install the extra speakers yourself. And every video I’ve seen so far has awful looking extra sprites on top of the play field, like scores and other shit.
Thanks for the videos PDubs! I don’t have room or money to buy a 4K machine and am very happy with the HD version. I am just afraid AtGames will stop releasing new table packs and content for owners of the HD machine. I hope they continue to grow both platforms in the future 🤞. Thanks!
Yeah they got me I ordered a 4K version pinball now I'm trying to figure out what to do with my HD version pinball don't have enough space for it so I'm going to have to break it down and hopefully sell it or give it to a family member
What killed it for me is that Atgames latest firmware update is preventing owners of the ALP from using the sauce anymore and supposedly they are going to block the use of the sauce on their new 4K ALP Machines. That’s a deal breaker for me. I’m not getting rid of my HD ALP for this reason nor am I updating anymore. I took my machine offline to prevent Atgames from doing any unauthorized changes or updates to my ALP. I highly recommend that you all do the same thing.
I shall wait for a major sale because as excited as I am to see an Adam's Family themed ALP4K, I also have priorities that prevent me from buying it. I'd like to sell my ALP HD version but it's difficult and I was hopeful that Atgames would've done a trade in initiative but there is no hope. So my only option is to wait. 😢
Why wasn’t Restalgia working in the AtGames booth?
I will wait for reviews and pricing/availability for the Zen Williams tables.I just upgraded from the micro to the ALP. Also, I don't have a gpu that will run 4K OTG nor do I want to spend the $ on one right now.
I own an ALP HD and I have no intention of buying the ALP 4K.
1. The HD looks and plays fine for me.
2. The larger backglass monitors and the DMD are nice to haves but when I am playing pinball I am not looking at the backglass unless there is a mini game.
3. I would lose the tables I already bought for tha ALP.
4. FOMO, If you have a good product at a good price you don't need to have non refundable deposits and FOMO to get sales! Preordering anything in this day and age just leads to disappointment!
5. Just one reviewer got the table and this screams SHILL. Why wouldn't you give the only table to someone guaranteed to positive review it????? That coupled with the FOMO is pegging my ( something isn't right meter)!
They should have made a huge effort during nod-a to get people excited. They did nothing. Give away a ton of 4k packs, machines, ssf kits. Release specific details on pack pricing and content. Show the machine in action playing a zen table. Take a poll on skin choices. etc etc
I was on the fence, but ultimately decided not to order. I have the micro and I am only interested in the zen games. I also have the attack from mars pinball from arcade1up which I like. They need to show the zen games more. I haven't seen one video of what addams family is going to look like playing on the machine. Makes me think they don't even have it ready to be live yet.
I pre-order mine with early bird price. 😎
People don’t want to wait for content to drip feed over time. Tired of companies making promises and not fulfilling their end of the bargain. I also don’t see that it will be that much better than the original version.
If I've learned anything from being a retro gaming customer ....wait
I ordered one. I’m hoping I made the right decision.
It’s a bit expensive - probably wait for a price drop if it happens.
I am in the process of watching, so you may cover some of this - but my gut check is sales are low for these couple things:
1. The price is pretty high. It maybe sort of reasonable, but their track record with product quality is sort of iffy. Dropping over $1k with them feels very scary.
2. The games you own the HD aren't backward compatible. This to me is the biggest issue. People have invested a lot of money building a library of machines, it is pretty gross to think of buying them all again (or buying a new library again). Most people won't keep both machines for space concerns, but if you got rid of your machine - all those games are gone forever for you.
For me, first it took a lot to get past the FOMO... But really there have been so many bad product releases from some companies, that I would never buy it at over a grand without seeing what others think of it at this point. Second, I'd have been a lot more in if it came with 15 ZEN tables. Lastly, I'm hoping there is a twilight zone version... So its a wait and see, order one down the road.. I'll pay a little more to know it kicks ass first, and they obviously will have a NOD again in the spring..
I want it, but I want a different skin, so I'm holding off until I see more options.
Same here! I had my credit card ready but decided not to pull the trigger cause I'm just not a Adam's Family guy. Sucks cause I really wanted it.
I ordered. The price was great on day one imo.
At first I was but now I think I need more details. Also want to know more about the access to Zen tables.