Johnson's Withdrawal Bill Defeated in the Lords (and Why it Doesn't Matter) - Brexit Explained

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  • @BigBlack81
    @BigBlack81 4 роки тому +426

    The UA-cam comment community is against this motion that you stay up late to provide us with pertinent political analysis of current events. But we thank you for your service. Carry on.

    • @iqbalnash5748
      @iqbalnash5748 4 роки тому +15

      Further sacrifices of sleep hours is unnecesary as it will cause the decline of content quality. Altough, we really appreciate your efforts, thank you.

    • @OGimouse1
      @OGimouse1 4 роки тому +2

      Sometimes that is when you can work. You've never been on the other side of one of my motions lol

  • @TheJordiShow
    @TheJordiShow 4 роки тому +749

    URRGGGHH. GET ON WITH YOUR JOB. JUST PROMO SOME BADGES.

    • @TLDRnews
      @TLDRnews  4 роки тому +37

      www.tldrnews.co.uk/store

    • @VaradMahashabde
      @VaradMahashabde 4 роки тому +50

      @ that is the exact comment types in the video. This was sarcasm.
      r/whoosh

    • @SxVx55
      @SxVx55 4 роки тому +8

      @@TLDRnews Well played

    • @berthold64
      @berthold64 4 роки тому +1

      best comment right here

    • @OGimouse1
      @OGimouse1 4 роки тому

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @zacharyhuffman1863
    @zacharyhuffman1863 4 роки тому +181

    As an American, I always assumed the House of Lords was entirely ceremonial and obsolete. It'd be cool to see a breakdown of power video.

    • @exantiuse497
      @exantiuse497 4 роки тому +46

      The house of lords is like the US senate, if the senate had its balls snipped. The lords cannot block anything and they can't even amend or contest anything that is in the governmet manifesto, i.e. it's the same as if the Democrats had a majority ìn the congress, and they said before the election that they want medicare for all, then the senate wouldn't be allowed to do anything to block or delay it since it was promised before the election. The only reason the lords were able to make these amendments was because the conservative manifesto didn't say anything about them taking rights from EU citizens

    • @ProjeckDestiny
      @ProjeckDestiny 4 роки тому +15

      @@exantiuse497 The US senate is at least voted in by the people. The have a purpose and mandate because they are elected not inheriting some position.

    • @dylanotoshiro
      @dylanotoshiro 4 роки тому +41

      bwiin The majority of the lords are not hereditary but are life lords. Common misconception.

    • @thewingedhussar4188
      @thewingedhussar4188 4 роки тому +4

      @@ProjeckDestiny lol careful, Moscow Mitch and Trump may disagree with you.
      After all what good are the people when we need the ok from their backers in Moscow and big mega companies. People only matter when they make us look like we are democratic.
      After all, that is how trump got elected, getting help from them after all. An he certainly does not want to prove that wrong.

    • @phylismaddox4880
      @phylismaddox4880 4 роки тому +3

      @@dylanotoshiro Um, what's a life lord? An appointee of some sort?

  • @joaovitormatos8147
    @joaovitormatos8147 4 роки тому +92

    7:23
    No one:
    Lord Speaker: ᵗʰᵉ ᶜᵒⁿᵗᵉⁿᵗˢ ʰᵃᵛᵉ ᶦᵗ

  • @liamwilson8924
    @liamwilson8924 4 роки тому +178

    We appreciate your dedication

    • @unanimousanonymity1836
      @unanimousanonymity1836 4 роки тому +2

      Urghhh i don't............. theres always one😔

    • @rufanuf1
      @rufanuf1 4 роки тому +1

      No we don' t....go get a life and stop commentating on a dying topic, supporting a dying institution.

    • @liamwilson8924
      @liamwilson8924 4 роки тому

      I appreciate the creators dedication to informing. I do not support the House of Lords and their existence

    • @rufanuf1
      @rufanuf1 4 роки тому

      @@liamwilson8924 house of lords....eu...one in the same, carbuncles on democracy.

  • @NovaFrederick
    @NovaFrederick 4 роки тому +178

    Conservatives: Finally, with our majority we can finally get Brexit done!
    House of Lords: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

    • @minecrafttian6
      @minecrafttian6 4 роки тому +19

      Brexit isn’t a good thing my friend

    • @stephencook4694
      @stephencook4694 4 роки тому +73

      No its a very good thing Brexit ! Boris just needs to get rid of the unelected house of lord's! Out of date institute that should be dissolved.

    • @matiasluukkanen7718
      @matiasluukkanen7718 4 роки тому +51

      John-Martin Bramham Freedom is always good thing my friend. Freedom from outside influences and tyranny of Would-be-Emperors of Europe.

    • @northernli4491
      @northernli4491 4 роки тому +25

      @@matiasluukkanen7718 People like John value GDP and being politically correct over freedom and quality of life for the native People... They could always fuck off to Germany or France 👍🏻

    • @snakeman9902
      @snakeman9902 4 роки тому +3

      Well said, always in the background, throwing a spanner in the works

  • @corchaEkotte
    @corchaEkotte 4 роки тому +173

    Don't see too much in American media about Brexit, so thanks for keeping up to date on here.

    • @calebgarrett214
      @calebgarrett214 4 роки тому +9

      @ why would we think that, most Americans arnt ignorant.....

    • @VME-Brad
      @VME-Brad 4 роки тому +6

      I've mostly stopped watching the massively biased American media.
      U.K. and Australian news is biased as well, but it's easier to see it and filter the bias out from the outside.

    • @SJW2511
      @SJW2511 4 роки тому +3

      I would recommend watching Mahyar Tousi for an unbiased view on the Brexit process.

    • @OGimouse1
      @OGimouse1 4 роки тому +1

      That's because we're too busy being on fire

    • @OGimouse1
      @OGimouse1 4 роки тому +2

      @@calebgarrett214 We wouldn't be in this mess of most Americans had sense 😭😭😭😭😭

  • @xBris
    @xBris 4 роки тому +76

    Wait what? Let me get this straight: Commons makes a bill, the Lords ammend it, the Commons say "nah", and then you get royal ascend? What's the point of the Lords then?

    • @tacticalidiots2340
      @tacticalidiots2340 4 роки тому +76

      They revise bills and make sure there aren't any issues. Or in instances like this block the government.
      They aren't supposed to be elected. There is no point. And they do good when the house of Commons is under a massive majority like now. They protested the Iraq war more than any one in the House of Commons. The Lords is a good thing.

    • @thegamingone7349
      @thegamingone7349 4 роки тому +32

      Tactical Idiots so they are unelected people that block the things the elected people try and put through, how do you not see anything wrong with that? People put the conservatives in a majority to get the things they voted for done not to have it blocked by people who nobody voted for.

    • @xzenderx
      @xzenderx 4 роки тому +16

      @@tacticalidiots2340 hrm... i'm not so sure. They may have done good, but the unelected element of it is extremely odd. Some of the things that is said in lords is to the effect of "The electorate are too stupid to know what's good for them"
      Again, same principle, this doesn't make them bad either. But it just shows how contradictory it can be. For every significant good, there is a significant bad. The most significant element i think is like i said, the unelected element, and how they're percieved as self serving.
      The fact that a massive government majority isn't uncontested though is a massive boon, even if you support what the government are standing for. Scrutiny and accountability is the whole point of democracy after all.

    • @johnsmythe7940
      @johnsmythe7940 4 роки тому +13

      None really, This should be considered as a second house and members should be voted into the position. No more upgraded senior ex-politicians Marxist and Fabians by politicians in parliament.

    • @tacticalidiots2340
      @tacticalidiots2340 4 роки тому +34

      @@xzenderx they have no real power though. That's why they don't need to be elected. It's not the point of their job, they're supposed to be experienced, for example factory owners, economists, scientists etc. get appointed because when the elected Commons makes laws on things, they might not know the full implications. Which is where the Lords come in.

  • @pavelpolyakov5763
    @pavelpolyakov5763 4 роки тому +17

    Two Englishmen walk into a pub. One says: "Brexit is worrying me". The other says: "Well, stop scratching it, and put an ointment or something".

  • @cronopoly344
    @cronopoly344 4 роки тому +176

    Brexit is being handled like a college student waiting for the last single day to cram for a test when they had 3 months to study for it.

    • @rudbel88
      @rudbel88 4 роки тому +25

      RubbisH ! the leave result has been on going since 2016.. delay was due to biased Parliament trying to overtun the decision, just like the unelected idiots in the HOL above.. Boris has seta tight deadline so we can at last be free from this tyranny

    • @npgrx3381
      @npgrx3381 4 роки тому +29

      @@rudbel88 wait, an elected parliament is tyranny?

    • @finthegeek
      @finthegeek 4 роки тому +19

      @@npgrx3381 it can be when they rebel against the people they are due to represent and their manifestato

    • @joaovitormatos8147
      @joaovitormatos8147 4 роки тому +1

      *BIASED PARLIAMENT*

    • @ADHDlanguages
      @ADHDlanguages 4 роки тому +1

      Don't bring me into this!

  • @IemandIemandus
    @IemandIemandus 4 роки тому +116

    I love the fact that there's and old aged peer with blue hair

    • @VaradMahashabde
      @VaradMahashabde 4 роки тому +16

      First bzoomer specimen

    • @Chasmodius
      @Chasmodius 4 роки тому +6

      I think it used to be pretty common, though usually the blue was a lot lighter. Either way, it looks pretty cool.

    • @MaestroRigale
      @MaestroRigale 4 роки тому +1

      That jumped out at me too.

    • @zacharyhuffman1863
      @zacharyhuffman1863 4 роки тому +13

      That ain't shit. We (Americans) have a president with an orange face.

    • @gabrielarch5145
      @gabrielarch5145 4 роки тому +12

      @@zacharyhuffman1863 ....better than all your red faced demonic Democrat leaders.

  • @FatalBurnz
    @FatalBurnz 4 роки тому +250

    My dude, it's okay to put the video out in the afternoon after a decent night's sleep. Lots of uni students have exams right now (I do), don't screw that up to put up videos on time.

    • @matthiaswalker38
      @matthiaswalker38 4 роки тому +10

      Must say I'm pretty shocked by your expectations.
      A UA-camr's publication time should suite your lifestyle?
      Really?
      I wonder if you and those who liked your comment are typical of the student demographic.
      I certainly hope not.

    • @FatalBurnz
      @FatalBurnz 4 роки тому +23

      @@matthiaswalker38 I'm not saying this for my benefit, I'll still watch his videos whenever they come out. I'm saying this because I don't want one of my favourite content creators to burn himself out for the sake of releasing a video just a bit sooner.

    • @xPopeOnARopex
      @xPopeOnARopex 4 роки тому +16

      @@matthiaswalker38 He's saying that TLDR shouldn't, not should, adjust his schedule. He's concerned that if TLDR is a student, they're damaging their own sleep schedule during the channel's own exam season. Careful how you read things, and don't be throwing things around about 'typical of demographics' :)

    • @ArranLaPaul
      @ArranLaPaul 4 роки тому

      Aaron Temple (actual name is Aaron Simple)

    • @eurovision50
      @eurovision50 4 роки тому +3

      @@matthiaswalker38 He said the opposite...

  • @CADJewellerySkills
    @CADJewellerySkills 4 роки тому +18

    “Getting Brexit done” is a misnomer, surely you know that. It’s far more accurate to call it “Getting Brexit started.”

    • @barrystevens2699
      @barrystevens2699 4 роки тому +1

      Brexit means when we leave. Britian Exit. We are exiting Jan 31st. Lol. Brexit.

    • @Skozerny
      @Skozerny 4 роки тому

      wrong. Brexit means Britain leaving the European union. Britain leaves the EU 31st of Jan. After that begins the negotiations for the post-Brexit relationship between teh EU and Britain

    • @barrystevens2699
      @barrystevens2699 4 роки тому +1

      @@Skozerny Lol. We leave exit on the 31st. We just negotiate a deal after that. Negotiation isn't apart of leaving. We will be making deals with many other nations..
      Why can't you see that?

    • @Skozerny
      @Skozerny 4 роки тому +1

      @@barrystevens2699 I'm answering the original commenter. You and I are in agreement.

    • @frederickgreat701
      @frederickgreat701 4 роки тому +2

      NO. Brexit started over three years ago with a MANDATE from the VOTERS. It just needs completion.

  • @v_112
    @v_112 4 роки тому +53

    I know it's not related, but when that lord said "and my husband..." a smile crawled onto my face immediately

    • @theliberator5126
      @theliberator5126 4 роки тому +7

      Dawid Piaskowski Same here. Really made me feel like, despite all the issues we still have, we have evidently made some improvements.

    • @jeskler
      @jeskler 4 роки тому +7

      The God-King I’m just surprised at how casually he said it and there wasn’t any interruptions.

    • @omfgihopethisworks
      @omfgihopethisworks 4 роки тому +4

      I smirked and quickly came to the comments looking for justification, was not expecting that at all and had to do a rewind just to make sure I heard correctly.

    • @jintarokensei3308
      @jintarokensei3308 4 роки тому

      The guy making these videos is also gay, so I suspect he may have cherry picked the guy talking on the issue.

    • @v_112
      @v_112 4 роки тому

      @@jintarokensei3308 I know that he is, but I honestly I don't care if he did pick this guy on purpose, the video was informative. And the points given by the this particular lord were sufficiently describing the position of the house.

  • @BloodfelX
    @BloodfelX 4 роки тому +52

    6:16 So wait - this person is talking about how people could be struggling to prove their rights and entitlements in the UK, which could be done with an ID for example, and yet they were against this amendment which would give those people ID?

    • @grousetheghoul2754
      @grousetheghoul2754 4 роки тому +7

      Don't make no sense, does it

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger 4 роки тому +31

      @Insomnia DrEvil still I don't see the problem in manifesting that digital information into a physical ID. Just like with everything else. There is a digital record somewhere that you have a drivers license, and the police could just make a request to the database - but you get a physical card to simplify that process.

    • @Cotonetefilmmaker
      @Cotonetefilmmaker 4 роки тому +7

      very relevant for this discussion is the fact that in th UK you're not obligated to carry an ID with you, and most British see this as a right.

    • @NoobNoobNews
      @NoobNoobNews 4 роки тому +1

      The problem isn't the physical ID. it is a perfectly reasonable system. It might have been a bit of an eye-roller for the treasury, but it isn't an issue for the House of Commons. It is the overturning of ECJ rulings that might be an issue. the ECJ is an elitist and corrupt political body, and if the UK Supreme Court is unable to act, then there will be EU law applied in the UK.

    • @TheSynecdoche
      @TheSynecdoche 4 роки тому +10

      @@Cotonetefilmmaker EU citizens residing in the UK are not Brits whereas they would be obliged to carry ID in their home countries. I'm Dutch, I have an ID card but there is no obligation to carry it, only to show it to "persons of authority" such as police when asked, so for practical reasons it always sits in my wallet. The card also serves as a passport for the EU. In the same vein I have an ID card for hospitals with my photo on it. Drivers licence ditto. All very practical, saves on searching through digital databases. I would certainly be opposed to wearing an eartag like cattle, but really, an ID card is just another credit or debit card. And if British residents from Europe feel safer with one, why not give them a card?

  • @MissesWitch
    @MissesWitch 4 роки тому +1

    House of Lords: Wait, Make things easier and less annoying for people? NAY!

  • @johnstockill9353
    @johnstockill9353 4 роки тому +10

    The Lords did not defeat Boris they amended the Bill on five points which were then defeated by the commons, a time wasting exercise. Remainers?

  • @theliberator5126
    @theliberator5126 4 роки тому +10

    One of the few things that each party agrees with is reform to the House of Lords. I wonder how it will turn out this time.

    • @skyblazeeterno
      @skyblazeeterno 4 роки тому +2

      That's more of a mixed bag than asking a group of leavers to explain what they want for Brexit

  • @SirSX3
    @SirSX3 4 роки тому +74

    They're gonna start calling for the removal/replacement of the House of Lords.

    • @michaelmartin9022
      @michaelmartin9022 4 роки тому +21

      And it'd be about time too. And we can scrap our nukes while we're it, drydock the submarines and plug them into the national grid.
      -A far right Leave voter.

    • @AliMohamed-yq4wn
      @AliMohamed-yq4wn 4 роки тому +1

      SirSX3 I agree

    • @thegamingone7349
      @thegamingone7349 4 роки тому +7

      Michael Martin no we need to keep our nukes, it’s a deterrent.

    • @colonelkk
      @colonelkk 4 роки тому +7

      Michael Martin Scrapping nukes is a left wing idea not right wing

    • @mightymizzar9672
      @mightymizzar9672 4 роки тому

      @@michaelmartin9022 perfect !

  • @zax1998LU
    @zax1998LU 4 роки тому +5

    A residency card would not only bee good for EU citizens but for UK ones too. A residence card would give UK citizens an alternative method of proving proof of address or proof of birth without having to learn to drive or use a passport.

    • @Die__Ene
      @Die__Ene 4 роки тому +2

      Are ID cards not a thing in the UK? Dedicated ones that is. I guess a driver's license is a type of ID card of its own.

    • @zax1998LU
      @zax1998LU 4 роки тому

      @@Die__Ene The closest we have is a driving license but that's it.
      Edit: As far as I'm aware

    • @OrDuneStudios
      @OrDuneStudios 4 роки тому

      @@zax1998LU most countries have a photo id card

    • @Die__Ene
      @Die__Ene 4 роки тому

      @@zax1998LU Interesting. It is a bit redundant to have a dedicated ID card but it's nice for people without a driver's license, the elderly and kids; here in the Netherlands you need to be able to ID yourself at 14+, at least back when I was 14. It also contains some handy information that you'd need to whip your passport out for.

  • @John-lh1qx
    @John-lh1qx 4 роки тому +18

    This video was brought to you by coffee.

  • @lifewhatsoever
    @lifewhatsoever 4 роки тому +2

    How come Bojo can just overturn this vote? Now I’m against the existence of second chambers in general (especially when they aren’t democratically elected like in the UK) but if you have one, it should matter. Every bill should be approved by both houses. The fact that Bojo can just ignore their amendments makes the House of Lords seem completely useless.
    And I’m with the Lords on this. You’d think that the government would learn after Windrush but the Tories are virtually incapable of deep thought and critical thinking. It’s a sad state of affairs.

  • @johnbarrett6889
    @johnbarrett6889 4 роки тому +3

    As a British person living in Spain, I have a resident card (Like a driving licence which I obtained at the local police station after submitting passport, bank account and Spanish address as evidence) I had to pay for it which is no problem! Its a relatively easy, uncomplicated process. But If stopped by police its automatic verification that I’m here legally. The Tories look like they they couldn’t arrange a ‘p... up’ in a Brewery. I do think that all EU citizens here need to pay for this as I have heard from friends that they believe it should be free.

  • @Josh-ui7nq
    @Josh-ui7nq 4 роки тому +4

    If Johnson says he isn't gonna amend it doesn't it have to get through the Lords again? At which point they (should unless there has been significant points raised) stick with what they initially said and hand it back?

  • @biocapsule7311
    @biocapsule7311 4 роки тому +15

    It's says a lot about the state of affairs that the 'Lords' being more concern about citizens rights then the 'Commons'.

  • @Kunori
    @Kunori 4 роки тому +8

    Must be a bit tricky for Johnson to overturn an amendment making him do something he promised to do, wouldn't you think?

  • @qwertyCandy
    @qwertyCandy 4 роки тому +31

    You are the only source of information on brexit that is truly informative, approachable and impartial. Thank you for your dedication 🍀 Sincerely, an EU citizen who wouldn't know what's going on if it weren't for this channel...

    • @thegrandmuftiofwakanda
      @thegrandmuftiofwakanda 4 роки тому +3

      There is no such thing as an EU citizen. You might as well claim to be pixie.

    • @Soken50
      @Soken50 4 роки тому +8

      @@thegrandmuftiofwakanda Of course there is such a thing, how would you call a member of a region with rights and obligations across that entire region if not a citizen ?
      Like it or not the EU is becoming more and more like a union of states akin to the US with a distinct collective identity.
      The UK chose to leave it, good on them, but it doesn't change the fact that most European countries share that identity and relate to it.

    • @toplad8113
      @toplad8113 4 роки тому +4

      "impartial" lol Don't get me wrong, it's good content otherwise I wouldn't watch it, but impartial ? Come on, you're smarter than that.

    • @flitsertheo
      @flitsertheo 4 роки тому +3

      @@toplad8113 You can't expect good fact based content to be Brexiteer biased.

    • @k34xy4wmnb
      @k34xy4wmnb 4 роки тому

      Soken50 Maybe so, but if I look in my passport or my ID card etc, it says it’s a Dutch ID card. Nowhere does it say it is EU ID card. And the Netherlands, has a king as head of State, is technically not a democracy, has a upper and lower house, has provinces-12 to be exact-, makes and approves laws, has it’s own judiciary, has a constitution (a state normally doesn’t have a constitution), there are no provincial courts [(only district (appellate) courts, a high council court (a.ka. a Supreme Court, with limitations)] etc. It is quite clear that the EU is not a country and the Netherlands, is as any other country in the EU, an independent State. And not a state as in the US.

  • @IssacSir
    @IssacSir 4 роки тому +3

    Really great content in a very approachable format, thank you !

  • @lars1296
    @lars1296 4 роки тому +10

    All were rejected. It’s done. Now I can tell YOUTube to stop recommending this out of date video

  • @Matttix94
    @Matttix94 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you for taking the time to make this video, very informative :)

  • @petteriraty
    @petteriraty 4 роки тому +3

    ”Substantially changing the Withdrawal Agreement” It’s important to keep the two different terms of Withdrawal Agreement and Withdrawal Agreement Bill separate. The Lords are only working on the latter.

  • @terracomstudioos
    @terracomstudioos 4 роки тому +15

    Hey my man! Sleep! We dont need someone half death! We need our lovely host to be alive!

  • @junko4166
    @junko4166 4 роки тому +16

    All of these demands are reasonable.

    • @jpw6893
      @jpw6893 4 роки тому

      Never get through anyway

    • @johnsouth3912
      @johnsouth3912 4 роки тому +1

      I bet in the long run they sabotage Brexit

    • @grousetheghoul2754
      @grousetheghoul2754 4 роки тому

      There's that word, Demand.. It's how the EU negotiates. They are only reasonable to people in the EU. They want to flood Britain with people not native to here. A simple common sense question would be " If you support the EU so much, why not just move there ?"

    • @NLTops
      @NLTops 4 роки тому +1

      @@grousetheghoul2754 Wtf you on about. These "demands" aren't "demands" at all. They are proposed ammendments to legislation put forward by the House of Commons. This is the way the UK's government has worked for a loooooong time. And they are not made by the EU but by the UK's very own House of Lords.
      And we don't care about flooding the UK with "non-natives". We want the rights of existing UK residents from the EU to be protected. Which isn't unreasonable given that plenty of Brits live in the EU as well.

  • @casperes0912
    @casperes0912 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for making videos for us, Jack :). We all know what it’s like with long and/or rough days at work, so even if it is just doing your job, doesn’t mean we can’t sympathize. And you guys do have a really high output for a fairly small core team, so God only knows how you manage keeping it up. Good work :)

  • @fluffy2807
    @fluffy2807 4 роки тому +6

    Not everyone has access to a computer, mobile or other device. Sure, digital is useful but also provide physical proof with an ID card - it makes complete sense!

    • @Kyrieru
      @Kyrieru 4 роки тому

      The UK doesn't have public libraries?

    • @Outside85
      @Outside85 4 роки тому

      Not to mention... what's easier to tamper with? A computer file you may have to hand to someone, somehow? Or a government issued card?

    • @amazingdrewH
      @amazingdrewH 4 роки тому

      @@Kyrieru you're saying that a landlord who doesn't have a computer will walk with these people to a public library to check their digital id?

    • @rogerbennett9641
      @rogerbennett9641 4 роки тому

      @@amazingdrewH You're saying landlords don't have phones?

    • @jorgejohnson451
      @jorgejohnson451 4 роки тому

      Rosie207 Wouldn’t having a card allow for MORE discrimination? If you have a card it might mean to some (those who would discriminate) that you aren’t fully British.

  • @firephoenix4013
    @firephoenix4013 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the hard work, take care!

  • @chocolatejellybean2820
    @chocolatejellybean2820 4 роки тому +3

    Johnsons a crook.

  • @Visao_Libertaria
    @Visao_Libertaria 4 роки тому

    Congrats for the video.

  • @biornr.4031
    @biornr.4031 4 роки тому +4

    I don't understand the objections to ID cards. It will make it easier when handling beurocracy since you have official photo ID, and it will make people feel more secure because they have a tangible piece of evidence saying that they are indeed allowed to stay

    • @swanky_yuropean7514
      @swanky_yuropean7514 4 роки тому +1

      The issue is Brexiteers would rather have them wear blue armbands with a yellow star on it.

    • @andrepettersson175
      @andrepettersson175 4 роки тому +2

      @@swanky_yuropean7514 the issue is that remoaners are retarded.

    • @swanky_yuropean7514
      @swanky_yuropean7514 4 роки тому

      @@andrepettersson175 The thing is I'm not a remoaner. Can't wait til you finally leave.

    • @andrepettersson175
      @andrepettersson175 4 роки тому +1

      @@swanky_yuropean7514 im Swedish... I cant wait till we leave either.

    • @swanky_yuropean7514
      @swanky_yuropean7514 4 роки тому

      @@andrepettersson175 Why don't you then?

  • @normalperson3997
    @normalperson3997 4 роки тому +1

    I am British and have lived in the Netherlands for 43 years. I have had a residents permit for about 42.5 years. Why is everything so difficult in the UK?

    • @bryanfevrier7900
      @bryanfevrier7900 4 роки тому

      It’s not difficult at all; however EU citizens here never had the incentive to apply for any type of status, thus it’s down to the individual themselves.
      You took personal responsibility to secure your rights in another country, and didn’t wait for the country to offer it to you (judging from what you’ve written).

    • @normalperson3997
      @normalperson3997 4 роки тому

      @@bryanfevrier7900 It wasn't a choice on my part just well organised.

    • @bryanfevrier7900
      @bryanfevrier7900 4 роки тому

      Colin Middleton you took the responsibility for yourself as an individual, to secure your place in another country (taking personal responsibility).

  • @NS_MeatFarm
    @NS_MeatFarm 4 роки тому +9

    Of course physical proof is needed. Its needed to drive. To own a home. Pretty much anything to prove something must be physical.

    • @Avital4414
      @Avital4414 4 роки тому

      Its electronic. Like youtube. do you still use dvds?

    • @harrysmith5353
      @harrysmith5353 4 роки тому

      Its all online

    • @loveyouworld1
      @loveyouworld1 4 роки тому +2

      Of course physical Id needed for everything.. a couple had a bad experience on the airport because government website was down while checking their eu status online. Other thing is slow network can be bothersome anytime. Digital status is not enough

    • @loveyouworld1
      @loveyouworld1 4 роки тому

      @@harrysmith5353 your passport?

    • @loveyouworld1
      @loveyouworld1 4 роки тому

      @Dr Boom what about passport?

  • @James-sh8mu
    @James-sh8mu 4 роки тому

    Thankyou for staying up all night for us

  • @michaelorange4879
    @michaelorange4879 4 роки тому +30

    Really love this it has taught me sm about the UKs system, as an Australian politics and law student I admire your impartiality.

    • @diogorodrigues10
      @diogorodrigues10 4 роки тому

      Michael Orange impartiality is key to understand this and more😌😅

    • @exantiuse497
      @exantiuse497 4 роки тому +3

      @YesBacon He delivers the facts as they stand, nothing less and nothing more. The fact that the facts don't align with your worldview doesn't mean the one telling them is biased

    • @michaelorange4879
      @michaelorange4879 4 роки тому

      Feel so happy an honoured to be seen by the channel and all the creators thank you so much

    • @colinhare4722
      @colinhare4722 4 роки тому

      This is a pro EU remain site through and through

  • @MatthewBester
    @MatthewBester 4 роки тому

    All the Lords will achieve with this is reducing further individual responsibility. My girlfriend applied for her settled status shortly after it was available. It took 10 minutes and she received confirmation in the post. It is now part of her National Insurance record.

  • @jonnaughton
    @jonnaughton 4 роки тому +6

    You had ONE job.....oh wait, you’re doing it.....

  • @gingert2211
    @gingert2211 4 роки тому

    I love this channel. You explain things so clearly. Keep up the good work.

  • @Chaosjash96
    @Chaosjash96 4 роки тому +3

    Just doing your job? Nah
    Dry parliament procedure? Nah
    LOVE YOU CONTENT!!!

  • @laumyers
    @laumyers 4 роки тому

    You're the sanity in all this confusion. You are so appreciated!

  • @eleanorwilliams7771
    @eleanorwilliams7771 4 роки тому +10

    5:17 the guy behind him seems asleep 😂

    • @liolio000
      @liolio000 4 роки тому

      Or dead.

    • @daimonmt
      @daimonmt 4 роки тому +3

      He doesn't care as long as he is present, he gets his £300 ($450) just for turning out for the meeting, hence why many want to abolish the House of Lords.

    • @giovannitrejo3518
      @giovannitrejo3518 4 роки тому

      Someone might want to check up on his lordship

    • @martinpoole1451
      @martinpoole1451 4 роки тому

      sometimes they are other times they are listening to the speaker in the back of the chair.

    • @luckyme6252
      @luckyme6252 4 роки тому

      That's right.Some people thought it was Prince Philipp.He doesn't look like Philipp.

  • @mkoschara
    @mkoschara 4 роки тому

    You stayed up all night doing your job, thank you!

  • @kevburke
    @kevburke 4 роки тому +3

    5:14 Who left Prince Philip there?
    Ring the Palace, they're probably frantic

    • @luckyme6252
      @luckyme6252 4 роки тому

      That wasn't Prince Philipp !

  • @THESMASHERSify
    @THESMASHERSify 4 роки тому

    You’re a beltin’ guy, thanks for the extra effort love the videos

  • @qwerty_and_azerty
    @qwerty_and_azerty 4 роки тому +16

    Why pay salaries to so many lords if their house is entirely obsolete and has no real power?

    • @alganhar1
      @alganhar1 4 роки тому +17

      Because the House of Lords is not Obsolete, their role is precisely what they have done, they serve as an advisory to the House of Commons, and to highlight potential problems with Bills passing through the Lords. They are not controlled by the Party whips so party lines are far more blurred in the Lords, and because they are unelected they have no need to make big promises that cannot be kept. However, the very fact that they *are* unelected means their powers should not be anything beyond advisory. At the end of the day the Commons can, should they choose, more or less ignore the Lords, but, should the Commons do so, and the Lords prove to be right, that is HUGE political ammunition for the ruling party in the Commons that made the mistake.....

    • @phyjcb
      @phyjcb 4 роки тому +2

      Same question about the Queen?

    • @guharup
      @guharup 4 роки тому

      Also lords are not only old grandees as per popular perception. They also include stalwarts from every walk of life. It makes sense to hear them.

    • @csfelfoldi
      @csfelfoldi 4 роки тому

      They are governmental checks, they are there so a PM doesn't get fancy ideas for increasingly dictatorial rule. Just look at my country Hungary. Orbán filled up the Supreme court with his men and the has his pall as the president, practically destroying these checks.

    • @sausagejockyGaming
      @sausagejockyGaming 4 роки тому

      @@csfelfoldi people of the UK dont want these clowns to be doing the checking, they dont represent the interests of the standard citizen, the majority are literally just rich lords who are not there for merit but wealth, the UK needs to improve its political system to be a meritocracy.

  • @shdwshard
    @shdwshard 4 роки тому

    I’m just doing my job. ;-)
    Always grateful for your vids. Keep up the good work!

  • @samman7324
    @samman7324 4 роки тому +6

    Did you explain how Johnson would avoid ping-ponging?

    • @sausagejockyGaming
      @sausagejockyGaming 4 роки тому

      M Harris he doesnt need to amend the bill, as the house of commons is representing the electoral they have the most power, the house of commons can put laws before the queen without house of lords consent if the house of lords refuse to follow what the commons say. House of lords wont exist in the next few years.

    • @uberdude2555
      @uberdude2555 4 роки тому

      some ping-pong match 🤣

  • @2darker
    @2darker 4 роки тому +1

    You are just doing ur job but this is my first visit to ur channel, i liked so have liked and subscribed. Peace

  • @Ange65230
    @Ange65230 4 роки тому +8

    Wrong. Would you like revise you commentary? As the commons rejected all amendments in full and the bill was returned to the Lords unaltered and duly approved.

  • @gridvid
    @gridvid 4 роки тому +1

    You're just doing an awesome job. THX!

  • @stevengordon75
    @stevengordon75 4 роки тому +4

    There are around 800 lords and ladies. Why on such an important issue is the turnout so low?

    • @JimothyTheGreen
      @JimothyTheGreen 4 роки тому +1

      Apathy probably. Shows the dedication of our 'lords and ladies.'

    • @shaunnormancroft
      @shaunnormancroft 4 роки тому +2

      they too old they don't like coming out in the cold.

    • @kathydoyle1857
      @kathydoyle1857 4 роки тому

      They may all have turned up initially, but apparently all they need to do is warm their seat and leave in order to get their £300 per day.
      The people want the HoL abolished and Boris is already initiating changes (by stealth I think) and here you now see them digging their heels in!
      Memo to:
      The House of Lordies:
      Change is a coming folks! 😂
      Start looking for some alternative pocket money! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @liolio000
      @liolio000 4 роки тому

      @@kathydoyle1857 Start looking for a brain donor, yours is clearly not working ;)

  • @ironboxfilms
    @ironboxfilms 4 роки тому +1

    As an EU citizen, I would much prefer a physical proof of residency than just a digital one. But it's not like we get a say in the matter. From where I stand, if I end up part of a 'windrush' type situation, I have no problem leaving and spending my taxes elsewhere.

    • @thegrandmuftiofwakanda
      @thegrandmuftiofwakanda 4 роки тому

      There is no such thing as an EU citizen.

    • @ironboxfilms
      @ironboxfilms 4 роки тому

      Billie Piper’s Teeth don’t be ignorant... if you’re a citizen of a country within the EU, it makes sense to summarise all those people as EU citizens, as opposed to listing all other 27 countries individually... silly rabbit.
      Plus, I personally consider myself a citizen of the EU. I identify very strongly as European, More so than from my home country’ ...

    • @thegrandmuftiofwakanda
      @thegrandmuftiofwakanda 4 роки тому

      @@ironboxfilms You can consider yourself Emperor King of the Pixie People if you like, boy. It doesn't mean such an entity exists.

    • @ironboxfilms
      @ironboxfilms 4 роки тому

      ​@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda Haha! Wow, i love how you conflate how governments treat you, and my personal identity. I KNOW what citizenship I have and I KNOW that there is no such thing as a specific EU citizenship (though I would opt for it if the option existed).
      But also, it doesn't change how the UK government will treat me, as it doesn't care whether I'm Spanish or German or French, as the rules have to apply to all 'citizens of countries within the EU' (happy now?!) living in the UK the same. So hence the video referring to EU citizens is, again, the most useful way of going about it, and hence I'm one of those.

  • @TheTrackRecord
    @TheTrackRecord 4 роки тому +25

    Won’t this just lead to ping-pong with the lords putting the changes back in?
    Also could it prevent the bill getting royal ascent before 31/01/2020?

    • @thegrandmuftiofwakanda
      @thegrandmuftiofwakanda 4 роки тому +6

      No and No.

    • @harrysmith5353
      @harrysmith5353 4 роки тому

      Them old farts wont do shit .

    • @pmagrin
      @pmagrin 4 роки тому +12

      If the Lords want to ignore the Salisbury Convention, where they do not block passage of manifesto commitments, they could force a delay beyond the end of January. It would be a nuclear option as it would force a 'no deal' outcome instantly and probably lead to Boris deciding to either significantly reform, or even scrap, the Lords.

    • @MINIMAN10000
      @MINIMAN10000 4 роки тому +1

      @@pmagrin So... Boris would ask the lords to approve for royal ascent that the lords be scrapped?

    • @tsetienchu2482
      @tsetienchu2482 4 роки тому

      Not very likely, because the ping-pong period would be a non-stop, ‘rest-less’ process with the Lords and the Commons keep ping-ponging for whatever hours long until they reach an agreement. The last time that a ping-pong was triggered was in 2005 under Blair’s government, and that ping-ponging went for 31.5 hours long. It would be over 168 hours long for this time if they really want to use ping-ponging to delay the bill receiving Royal Assent.
      And by the way, in replying to Maletoth, the Lords has already followed the Salisbury Convention by approving the bill with no objection, they just send back amendments.

  • @agentsmith2026
    @agentsmith2026 4 роки тому +1

    I liked the summary, thanks. Always interesting to see what goes on in other governments.

  • @sykessaul123
    @sykessaul123 4 роки тому +40

    I don't understand this, I thought the Lords was supposed to be there as a safeguard, so why can the Commons just overrule everything they say?

    • @Qw3rtypop
      @Qw3rtypop 4 роки тому +28

      If the Commons overturns the amendments and sends the bill back to the Lords, the Lords can overturn the overturn and send it back to the Commons, who can then overturn the overturn of the overturn and send it back to the Lords, who can overturn..... etc. That's the ping ponging mentioned at the start. It'll keep ping ponging until the bill satisfies both houses.

    • @DomenBremecXCVI
      @DomenBremecXCVI 4 роки тому +3

      They probably need to pass the deal with 2/3 support or something like that to overrule the lords

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho 4 роки тому +12

      @@DomenBremecXCVI Simple majority is enough, voting on amendments that simply change the text back to what it was before. The bill then gets a second chance to pass through the House of Lords. If the Lords pass it this time, that's it (they might change their minds?). If they send it back again - starting the "ping ponging" - then it may get interesting, as there's a deadline 10 days from now that Johnson doesn't want to miss.

    • @DomenBremecXCVI
      @DomenBremecXCVI 4 роки тому +4

      @@renerpho Interesting, thanks. Should be fun for me as a sort of half-outsider (Slovenian).
      I'd imagine there were a lot of people on the left who were fully against the Lords even being a thing and on the right totally or them (not all of them)... So twitter will be an amazing place.

    • @owenking8662
      @owenking8662 4 роки тому +8

      Because the Lords is unelected, the Commons is able to overturn it finally through the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, though this would likely take too long to avoid a delay to Brexit. As such, it is more likely that the Commons and Lords will come to a compromise. The Lords is there as a way of saying to the Commons, "Hey, perhaps you should rethink this" but it is not an equal partner to the Commons.

  • @tonyl259
    @tonyl259 4 роки тому

    I find your videos quite informative. Thank you and Keep up the good work.

  • @MoonatikYT
    @MoonatikYT 4 роки тому +5

    Posting this comment for the "engagement" boost. I'm doing my part!

    • @MoonatikYT
      @MoonatikYT 4 роки тому

      @@golagiswatchingyou2966 holy shit lmao

  • @Jilktube
    @Jilktube 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the hard work!

  • @SD-tj5dh
    @SD-tj5dh 4 роки тому +6

    Can somebody deal with that corpse that's been left at 5:20?

  • @davidmartins4222
    @davidmartins4222 4 роки тому

    Thank you for your time... everything is so clear.. thanks !!!

  • @Jman21UK
    @Jman21UK 4 роки тому +3

    'amend that bill!'
    Johnson: yes me lord

    • @harshaspeaks829
      @harshaspeaks829 4 роки тому

      Well im not understanding whats happening about brexit in uk is it going to done or not could you tell me in simple lines..

    • @sausagejockyGaming
      @sausagejockyGaming 4 роки тому +2

      Sriharsha Mudumbai its happening on the 31st, this fuss with the lords mean nothing, the house of lords has always been centre left and can be bypassed by the house of commons as the commons are the true power.

    • @southernbreeze3278
      @southernbreeze3278 4 роки тому

      @@sausagejockyGaming thanks - you should have narrated the video

    • @tristman8413
      @tristman8413 4 роки тому

      Then Boris said no that's not going to happen and the lords agreed and gave the ayes 😂

  • @shadowbreed29
    @shadowbreed29 4 роки тому +1

    Altho I'm pro Brexit, I'm actually in agreement with the first 2 amendments, ppl here should be allowed to stay already, they've uprooted to move here so they deserve that right. And as for documents, if said immigrant dosnt speak fluent English, then a physical ID card will just give them piece of mind, as one of the lords stated they have a driving licence so why not an I'd, maybe use the passport office to just issue them a UK passport kinda thing.
    As for the supreme court, we've already seen how corrupt they can be, giving to any court ensures it's more fair given that its alot more difficult to corrupt and bribe every court

  • @lordgong4980
    @lordgong4980 4 роки тому +28

    Never thought i would be thanking the House of Lords for anything.
    And i maybe i am just used to Bercow/House of Commons but the Lords was far too quiet and calm

    • @SD-tj5dh
      @SD-tj5dh 4 роки тому +3

      Half of them are dead by the looks of things 😂

    • @sykessaul123
      @sykessaul123 4 роки тому +8

      It's almost as if there's competent adults there who don't need to shout and jeer and can actually have constructive debates for the benefit of the country. If only we could have that in the Commons. Instead we're stuck with a bunch of adolescents who can barely string a sentence together even when it's written down in front of them. Don't get me wrong there are some wonderful people in the Commons but they're the few and get the least airtime even though they speak the most sense.

  • @SuperBigChops
    @SuperBigChops 4 роки тому

    You are doing great and I encourage you in your work

  • @derekirvine3875
    @derekirvine3875 4 роки тому +9

    They are justifying their useless position in this old folks home

  • @soniabarahona1304
    @soniabarahona1304 4 роки тому

    Thank you kindly for your posting!

  • @JasonGreenslopes
    @JasonGreenslopes 4 роки тому +15

    ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 4.56 "My husband is one of them" ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

  • @jordanwiliams6056
    @jordanwiliams6056 4 роки тому

    Really respect you :) You've come up with a unique idea with great but simple animation

  • @SolarMechanic
    @SolarMechanic 4 роки тому +3

    "Threat of deportation" is a bit misleading, it leaves out the many who were not only threatened, but actually deported.

    • @SolarMechanic
      @SolarMechanic 4 роки тому

      DrBoom A group of people were invited over to the country decades ago and assured of their right to stay. They worked hard, had families, built lives and communities and prospered. Then the home offic looses the database with their names and info on it and decides to deport a bunch of now elderly, naturalised british citizens rather than cop to fucking up.
      I know none of this actually matters to you, you ingrown pube, just putting the context out there for anyone who cares to listen.

  • @kjdinoc
    @kjdinoc 4 роки тому

    OMG. that old goat right in the center sound asleep is priceless. Blue/purple tie two slots down from the Granny with the blue hair. Can't stop laughing.

  • @diogorodrigues10
    @diogorodrigues10 4 роки тому +5

    Why not use the same system as the Railcard?
    Railcards can both the used with physical evidence and digital evidence.

    • @sirBrouwer
      @sirBrouwer 4 роки тому +1

      all EU passports and a majority of the ID cards already have that as well. in the EU passports there is a chip in bedded in to the plastic card. Even if the UK leaves the EU that chip won't automatically disappear out of there passport.

  • @HerbertLandei
    @HerbertLandei 4 роки тому +1

    For me as EU citizen the amendments seem to be very reasonable, and I would see them as a gesture to continue good relationships with the EU after the Brexit.

    • @Shay96
      @Shay96 4 роки тому +4

      And as a British citizen, I disagree with the third amendment. If we’re not a member, the EU should have NO say in our legal proceedings.

    • @rich7447
      @rich7447 4 роки тому +1

      @@Shay96 As a UK expat I agree. There must be some personal advantage that these politicians gain from tying themselves to the EU.

  • @Bloodlyshiva
    @Bloodlyshiva 4 роки тому +6

    "A secure, digital status which can't be lost, stolen or tampered with"? Lies, ignorance or both.

  • @DonFatherTrump
    @DonFatherTrump 4 роки тому

    I don't think I've ever seen a country fight so hard to give up their sovereignty.

  • @jamestownsend2095
    @jamestownsend2095 4 роки тому +8

    Never heard one of the Lord's ask about UK folks rights in the EU just a thought seems like one way traffic

    • @undogmatisch5873
      @undogmatisch5873 4 роки тому +8

      Maybe because EU politics is none of their business. Or maybe because the EU has already decided (in Nov. 2018) on how to cope with UK citizens after Brexit, and maybe they're fine with it.
      Have you ever thought about making a minimum amount of research before asking those questions?

    • @undogmatisch5873
      @undogmatisch5873 4 роки тому +1

      @Karrie Dee
      Your comment sounds like a typical anti-vaxxer statement.
      Make some real reseach.

  • @Fogaata
    @Fogaata 4 роки тому

    Excellent video, well done. Educated me a lot on the confusing process. Thank you!

  • @MrDavidJMa
    @MrDavidJMa 4 роки тому +3

    The red benches are just justifying their existence.

  • @Carolus_Tsang
    @Carolus_Tsang 4 роки тому

    It's not just you who is lacking sleep, I see at 5:24 the man in the middle of the furthest row, seems to be asleep as well.

  • @jameshead9119
    @jameshead9119 4 роки тому +4

    What would happen if the Supreme Court is disbanded as it maybe after its behaviour of interfering last November along with other Of Blair’s changes to how this country works

    • @Apis4
      @Apis4 4 роки тому

      Your Supreme Court will never be disbanded, nor will the House of Lords.
      Never.

    • @mandolinic
      @mandolinic 4 роки тому +1

      It will have to be replaced by something else. Even before we had a named Supreme Court, we still had a supreme court in the form of (er) the House of Lords.

    • @jameshead9119
      @jameshead9119 4 роки тому

      Mandolinic Yes and it worked pretty well for centuries before Tony Blair started interfering along with his other ideas like the fixed term act etc

    • @jameshead9119
      @jameshead9119 4 роки тому

      Apis4 Interesting you called it mine not ours
      Do’s that mean you are not a British citizen?

    • @mandolinic
      @mandolinic 4 роки тому

      @@jameshead9119 The fixed term act is nothing to do with Tony Blair. That was introduced by David Cameron in 2011 as part of the price that the LibDems insisted for joining the coalition. It served a short term purpose but now it should go.
      I agree the HoL worked well enough as the de facto supreme court and we could go back to it.

  • @Marylmac
    @Marylmac 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the explanations. For people outside of UK, we appreciate your very clear way of showing us how your parliament works. Good video, Thanks. We are interested a lot in Brexit and support Boris.

  • @pastorflaps6819
    @pastorflaps6819 4 роки тому +5

    The lord's out of date

  • @tomsmith8006
    @tomsmith8006 4 роки тому +1

    The last amendment is insane... how many times do we need to vote for brexit? The lords are risking their own necks with this delay. With such a strong majority in the commons we could be looking at the end of the house of lords

  • @shanerooney7288
    @shanerooney7288 4 роки тому +4

    You stayed up late making this video? Big deal !
    I stayed up late watching it. Do I get a like? of course not.

    • @kleinweichkleinweich
      @kleinweichkleinweich 4 роки тому +2

      you just got a like - better now?

    • @shanerooney7288
      @shanerooney7288 4 роки тому

      You go out of your way to prove me wrong, and I'm supposed to feel better about it?
      I'll give you a like and see how you feel!

  • @tarosetantu868
    @tarosetantu868 4 роки тому

    'Lets further delay the fate of the UK and the English people, worrying about inconveniencing foreigners'. They've had 4 years to quibble over these fine details, and time's up.

  • @joe5033
    @joe5033 4 роки тому +4

    its time these unelected money wasters were disbanned

    • @fuckfannyfiddlefart
      @fuckfannyfiddlefart 4 роки тому

      Are you consistent when they are supporting your far right causes?

  • @LiveEnjoyment
    @LiveEnjoyment 4 роки тому

    i liked you for explaining the bill thing before going on with the vid. Not for u doing ur job, but for doing a great job.

  • @imperiumcommentingnetwork4677
    @imperiumcommentingnetwork4677 4 роки тому +5

    '0' views and 23 likes, hmm...
    get the sleep you need, guys

  • @VaradMahashabde
    @VaradMahashabde 4 роки тому +1

    UK : * is worried about accidently deporting legal migrants *
    Other countries : It's a bonus!

  • @Tazza81
    @Tazza81 4 роки тому +3

    Secure digital. Pretty certain that's an oxymoron

    • @aDifferentJT
      @aDifferentJT 4 роки тому

      Are you saying that the government should issue Secure Digital cards?

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError 4 роки тому

      Pretty sure those two, digital and hardcopy, can co-exist. Only question is if they will allow the funds and how long the holder should be able to hold that for ...
      This is just going to be come another HK BN(o) issue

    • @Tazza81
      @Tazza81 4 роки тому

      @@aDifferentJT no

    • @aDifferentJT
      @aDifferentJT 4 роки тому

      Alistair It was a joke, Secure Digital is what the SD in SD card stands for

  • @sparkypvp2167
    @sparkypvp2167 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the updated from New York.

  • @dave-in-nj9393
    @dave-in-nj9393 4 роки тому +1

    a simple 'visitor' license with things such as 'driving' can be done easily.
    the USA uses the term 'undocumented' for those who illegally crossed the boarders.
    some states give them actual state drivers licenses and with that they then vote, totally illegal, but the states love the extra votes.

  • @-Kaje
    @-Kaje 4 роки тому

    Nice one for staying up lad